Electric frying pan

[Svetta]

Svetta, have you ever opened your electric frying pan? After all, such, with a spiral, it is much easier to heat up, simply by shortening it.

there is a husband, but he is not on these matters

Svetlana, that's understandable. I myself am not an electrician, so by poking. But it would be better ... Maybe, where in the neighborhood, who ..

[Svetta]

Svetta, have you ever opened your electric frying pan? After all, such, with a spiral, it is much easier to heat up, simply by shortening it.

Opening is not a problem. Luda, if I shorten the spiral, the lid will fry even more. I just have a problem not in the lid, but in the fact that for some reason the bottom does not bake! WHY???

ceramic insulators

Lyudmil, when we bought this stove, I wrote, new, already with a registration certificate, from the GDR, 1983 release .. My husband had no idea what it was. I tell him that there is ceramics, there is no heating element there .. Naturally, I immediately untwisted it and looked. Well, blessing both hands and both right ones .. He said that everything is clear and in case of breakdown he will repair it. But these German ibey stoves are still very expensive
and b / ear under 80 euros. When I saw it, I almost fell. So I was just lucky that we bought it for 40 euros ..

[gawala]

And how was it conceived?

gawala, Galina! Sveta writes that for others the same miracle bakes everything, but for her everything is completely bad

the bottom does not bake

Maybe then on the contrary - too powerful, the bottom just does not keep up with the top?

I do not mind it and modify it, if possible. May increase power slightly

oh, that's what you mean.
And what for you to modify something, if there are already modified and with warranty periods on sale.

are on sale already modified and with warranty periods

Are you talking about Prumel?

I have a Prumel with a window. Does not fog up. Everything is baked and blush under the window. Top and bottom shadows.

I have a Prumel with a window

Galina, do you have a miracle, would you like to compare?

Top and bottom shadows.

b, would you compare?

In Soviet, and even the same German, there were no heating elements, only a ceramic spiral on the lid. It is even incorrect to compare here. it is clear that the teng at the bottom-upstairs will be better to warm .. If there is an opportunity and money, well, buy a Polish prumel .. New, high-quality .. in German ibey it costs 77 euros, I don't know where you live, well, I looked at the delivery to RF 78 euros, Ukraine the same. In general, delivery is equal to the price of the device. 150 euros all together.

Are you talking about Prumel?

At first I thought that you decided "on the occasion" on Avito or the like. take a buy)) as it is not known in what state.
Yes, and by the way, there are many other units, guaranteed good baking bread.
I would not buy something for 500 rubles that I still have to fool with.

[Svetta]

why doesn't she bake from the bottom?

SvettaI think there is not enough power

... It would be nice in real life to check the power consumed by this frying pan. For this there are devices like this

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... But I don’t have it, but there is an electricity meter, you can also count it using it. For example, I consume 90 kW for 30 days of the month, divide them by 30 days and get a consumption of 3 kW per day. And there are 24 hours in a day. 3 kW = 3000W. We divide Z000W by 24 hours and we get that we consume 125 watts per hour. We went to our meter in three days and took readings. For example, readings 350.235, this is for three days. They turned on their electric frying pan for an hour and an hour later they recorded new readings. They should be approximately 350.860 kW (0.125 kW + 0.5 kW per hour of operation of the electric pan). If the reading is less, then the electric pan does not consume 500 W, but less. But all this has an error, maybe at this hour we have an intensive wash at high power or the Conder is on in the summer, it consumes a lot. These points must be taken into account. Of course, you can do it even easier without making unnecessary calculations. When I bought a freezer, I decided to check how much power it consumes and compare with those stated in the passport. It was after about a month of buying and running the freezer. I wrote down the meter readings, then immediately turned off all electrical appliances, excluding the freezer. It is not critical if the refrigerator will stand for an hour without tension. An hour later, I recorded new meter readings and turned on all electrical appliances. The difference between the last reading and the first was the consumption of my new freezer. I was then satisfied, because the hourly power consumption was less than in the passport. The second method of measuring the consumed electricity by a separate device is, of course, much more accurate, but you need to turn off all other devices for an hour. Yes, you can calculate the flow in half an hour and then multiply it by 2. I will hide this scribble under the spoiler, and later I will remove it.

I think there is not enough power

I think about it too, but then why does the lid fry the baked goods on top? And even when I do not bake bulky rolls, but a simple short cake?

No, never taken apart

I would have figured it out long ago.

[Timon]

and you have a miracle, to compare?

Timon, a miracle, and not one, I had. But without windows. Prumel is another level. 650 W (bottom 450, top 200). Due to this, the heating is very uniform. In general, I am happy, although I do not use it very often, because there are a lot of other devices.

I just thought that since the lid is so hot, then perhaps it quickly and strongly heats up and therefore does not have time to heat up and heat up the lower container. That is, here it is all about the lid. Damn, now we need to look for Kulibin, who will fix this spiral for me. Now we still have to look for such masters, more and more they began to be able to use electronics, and a simple sovetsky unit is a wonder for them.

many other units guaranteed to bake bread well.

Enlighten

I wouldn't buy something for 500 rubles that I also have to fool with

Don't compare - you have to mess around with me. I'm still a man

Enlighten

Oven...

[Timon]

Timon, well yes...

[Svetta]

then the lid will fry even more.

Svetta, tell me how long it takes you to bake buns or pies with sweet filling in it. Even if you put the bottom on a small fire, how much time is spent?

[Ludmila]

Ludmila, about 15-17 minutes. If I remember correctly. But I warm up the lid in advance!

miracle, and not one, I had. But without windows

It is a pity that there are no windows. Would you mind the thickness of the metal of the Soviet miracle in comparison with prumel? The temperature is clear.

the thickness of the metal of the Soviet miracle in comparison with prumel

Yes, they do not differ by eye. And I didn't measure it with a caliper.

[Irgata]

IrgataI would never have guessed

Would you mind the thickness of the metal of the Soviet miracle in comparison with prumel?

Gal, carry a caliper or micrometer and measure the thickness ..
Timon, why don't you need this?

When we bought this stove, I wrote, new, already with a registration certificate, from the GDR, 1983 release .. My husband had no idea what it was. I tell him that there is ceramics, there is no heating element there.

So I thought that it was only in our country that they produced such. Did I understand correctly that there was no ten in the electric frying pan produced in the GDR? Surprised strongly.

So I thought that it was only in our country that they produced such. Did I understand correctly that there was no ten in the electric frying pan produced in the GDR? Surprised strongly.

Lyudmil, well, a little from the history of the miracle stove. The first stoves came to the USSR after the war. Trophy, so to speak, they were brought home by soldiers after the front.I know this by a million percent, since my neighbors had exactly this one and it was from Germany that my neighbor brought from the front. They then gave it to us, because they did not need it. Well, then we started to make these and release them in large quantities. The thing is great.
The second one, I don't remember where we got it from, it still works properly .. Probably my mother’s sister bought it in Moscow or who also donated it out of ignorance. It is with ceramics, what kind of heating elements. Tennes probably later all the same appeared in the GDR. But all the stoves of 1983-85 were on a ceramic spiral.

Timon, why don't you need this?

Are you talking about a miracle or the thickness of the metal? If about the thickness, then I know that modern miracles are made of very thin aluminum (which are stamped in China). I wanted to know all the benefits of Prumela. And if about a miracle in general - then the fig then this topic and all the rest. Everything is possible on the stove and in the oven.

Gal, carry a caliper or micrometer and measure the thickness

I would love to, but there are curly walls
But they are definitely not thinner than the Soviet ones.

[gala10]

But they are definitely not thinner than the Soviet ones. [/ Quotegala10,

that modern miracles are made of very thin aluminum.

Very thin aluminum - there is foil ..

How much you all said here!
I have no problems with the window. I do not cover it with foil. Everything is blushing very well.
I just put the shrimata pie in the oven, I drop in sometimes. It is inconvenient to check the readiness by opening the hot lid.

But I warm up the lid in advance!

Sveta, I start baking from a cold state, maybe this is the reason?

I just put the shrimata pie in the oven, I drop in sometimes. It is inconvenient to check the readiness by opening the hot lid.

Elena, well, at least you are communicating something inspiring and understandable. Thank you

[Zoya]

Zoya, I don’t like this cold state. I tried to bake from a cold oven, but I didn't like the result. But I'll try to do it in Miracle, like I baked it anyway, I don't remember. While we live in the apartment, we still need to train it, then we will go back to the dacha and the Miracle will help me.

But they are definitely not thinner than the Soviet ones.

And they cannot be thinner. The standard has not been canceled, even in Poland. Yes, and in Poland, I think the technology is taken from the neighbors and production is established. Germany does not need this consumer goods for fic after unification. And if you consider that miraculous stoves came to us from Germany and no one began to alter or finish anything, and rolling mills were of such a thickness in the USSR, Belaya Kalitva in particular, she rolled food aluminum. I don’t know Ust-Kamenogorsk, they also rolled a thin sheet, since they had these stoves as consumer goods .. In general, it doesn't matter. Everything was invented before us ..
And very thin aluminum, yes, with this power, well, everything will burn for fix.

but then why does the lid fry the baked goods on top? And even when I do not bake bulky rolls, but a simple low cake?

I just thought that since the lid is so hot, it is possible that it quickly and strongly heats up and therefore does not have time to heat up and heat up the lower container. That is, it's all about the lid here.

Damn, now we need to look for Kulibin, who will fix this spiral for me.

Since the top burns quickly, and the bottom does not have time to warm up, it seems that the power is still too high. When I repaired mine and shortened the spiral little by little, it baked faster after that. In this case, it seems necessary to increase the length of the spiral in order to increase the baking time. Although I can't even imagine how the length of the spiral can be increased, there is no way to increase it, but ... The fact is that initially in this spiral, each turn to the turn lies tight. To increase the length, you need to add several turns, and where you forgive them to lay, there is a certain distance under this spiral. A longer spiral simply does not fit, does not fit in a circle. I saw her, turn to turn. We need to open the lid. Or if a wire of the wrong section is taken for the spiral, the thinner the section, the faster the heating. But at the factories they should probably monitor this, although I do not exclude that if the wire of the required section runs out, then they may temporarily put into operation a wire with a slightly different section, not stop production, because there was a plan before. And so in the end it can turn out.

The instructions say that you need to heat up the oven for 10-15 minutes. I don't always do this, but it bakes faster with warming up.
I'll show you the pie.

[Elenka]

The instructions say that you need to warm up the oven for 10-15 minutes

ElenkaHow can you warm it up? Heating at the bottom, then how to lay the dough?

How can you warm it up?

In Soviet miracle stoves, it was recommended to warm up the lid, and then close the bowl itself with a heated lid. The bowl heats up very quickly, since aluminum is thin.

Enlighten

In addition to the oven, a multicooker, an air fryer, and a pizza maker for focaccia.

[Elenka]

ElenkaHow can you warm it up? Heating at the bottom, then how to lay the dough?

I just warmed up the closed oven, opened it, put the mold on.

Here is a photo through the window.




And here is a photo of the cake, without a flash, you can see that the ruddy one is the same from the edges where there is shadow and in the middle where there is a window.

[gawala]

In the soviet miracle stoves

gawala, Not at all. I asked about the Miracle, where the heating goes in the lower part

Not all. I asked about the Miracle, where the heating goes in the lower part

understandably..

[Elenka]

In addition to the oven, a multicooker, an air fryer, for focaccia

Thank you. There are 5 multi-cookers, there is already a pizza maker, but not for bread and rolls. The air fryer is not my appliance.

he warmed up the oven, opened it, put the mold on.

Elenka, Not burned?

No, not burnt.) The lid has 2 handles.

[Galina]

Tennes probably later all the same appeared in the GDR. But all the stoves of 1983-85 were on a ceramic spiral.

Galina, yes, surprising, but it could be. Just not a ceramic spiral, it is made of metal. And these are ceramic insulators, which we call beads. These insulators are put on this spiral, they insulate, protect from voltage, just like insulation on any electrical wire. If there were no insulators, or 10-20 pieces of them would split, then we would be jerked by an electric current upon contact with an electric frying pan.
This bead is a ceramic insulator

the lid has 2 handles.

Well, how do you put the mold inside without touching the saucepan itself?

Well, how do you put the mold inside without touching the saucepan itself?

Good question. I have a frying pan, I got it from my grandmother. Without it, such a frying pan cannot be put, it is end-to-end, and if the shape is smaller, then just with your hands in the center.

While we live in the apartment, we still need to train it, then we will go back to the dacha and the Miracle will help me.

Ahhh, I still remembered something.
You will all be surprised, but the voltage in the email. networks, in email sockets can be different in apartments, one-story houses, in villages. Already here, on the forum, I met a message that some device did not bake well, but we went with it to the dacha (or vice versa, I don’t remember the nuances), then the same device began to bake perfectly. I just don't remember what topic I read about this case, perhaps in desktop email. ovens or bread makers. But logically, then in such an apartment all devices should behave the same way, although if they use only HP or a tabletop stove, then there is no comparison. On other devices, this is not so noticeable.