polina989
And I also wanted to know if you can warm it up in it. That is, can the microwave be thrown away or is it better to leave it?
sazalexter
polina989 Leaving it, of course, you can warm it up, but it's just like "hammering nails with a microscope" Long and unprofitable in terms of electricity costs.
Kolich
help me choose the best of best stove ...
keep an eye
KENWOOD BM450
Panasonic SD-ZB2502
Unold 68615
Zojirushi BB-PAC20
Zojirushi BB-CEC20
DeLonghi EOB 2071
I am very interested in Zoziruses machines, very attractive with two kneaders ...
I am writing here, since there are Delongey users here, I am very interested in how competitive it is with Zozirushi?
sazalexter
Quote: Kolich


I am very interested in Zoziruses machines, very attractive with two kneaders ...
I am writing here, since there are Delongey users here, I am very interested in how competitive it is with Zozirushi?
I can't compare with Zozhirushi, I don't have it. Only one thing I know for sure it will be difficult to bake small bread on it, (less than 500g in flour) just because of the two mixers. Although Zozhirushi is the best of in comparison with other HP "machine"
DeLonghi EOB 2071 has many ways of making bread, in manual, automatic and semi-automatic modes, there is a proofing of the dough for 2 hours on the "automatic". There is a mode for making dough, kneading with heating for 15 minutes.
Kolich
that is, it turns out that Delongey is more versatile and has a wide range of programs for baking bread? that is, proceeding from this mastheva more than zozirus? taking into account the fact that I can buy it, for example, for 6000 rubles with delivery?
sazalexter
Kolich DeLongey is most likely a mini-oven with HP. There are many possibilities, but mostly on a semiautomatic device.
I have now switched to this mode, (see "Peasant" bread, see above) I set the dough to the SE1 mode: Sourdough, then SE11: RISE ON YEAST for 2 hours, then I add the rest to the dough and to the AU8 mode: RYE BREAD. It turns out very tasty. I don’t bake it on an automatic machine, white bread (roll) only on Panasonic, it makes a "brick" And Delongy is more and more "round" And Zozhirushi is a programmable automatic machine. Panasonic is just a machine
Kolich
blinnnnn .... how complicated it is ..... I don't even know where to start the current .....
in Panas you bake only because there is a "brick" or for some other reason? in zozirushi, too, a brick turns out, but as I understand in zozirushi, in order to start the oven you need to come up with a program that will force the device to bake? Or is there already something pre-installed?
sazalexter
Kolich I bake in Panasonic because it's a brick, it's more convenient for sandwiches from a sandwich maker.
Zozhirusha has more than a dozen preset programs, but there is also a programmable mode with more than 6 hours of proofing and adjustment of the baking mode. In Delongey, you can also make a brick, with a batch on the machine, then put it in a mold and bake like in an oven
Kolich
Bake like in an oven ..... does it turn out to be stupid to use an ordinary oven without the help of a bread machine?)
then the point of buying a bread machine is meaningless, isn't it?) or am I a little misunderstood?
sazalexter
DeLonghi EOB 2071 This is an oven + bread maker. You can knead in HP mode and then bake in oven mode.
Kolich
Quote: sazalexter

DeLonghi EOB 2071 This is an oven + bread maker. You can knead in HP mode and then bake in oven mode.
if I understand correctly, if I don't need an oven, is it better to look towards the bread makers from Panas or Zozirusha?
sazalexter
Kolich In principle, it is
Kolich
and from the above, what can you recommend?
sazalexter
If you bake with sourdough, any of these Zojirushi, if not, a Panasonic SD-2501 will be enough.
And if you want it to be different and very cool then Zojirushi And do not forget that they are 110-120 volts!
Kolich
Quote: sazalexter

If you bake with sourdough, any of these Zojirushi, if not, a Panasonic SD-2501 will be enough.
And if you want it to be different and very cool then Zojirushi And do not forget that they are 110-120 volts!
thanks a lot! as I thought it means Zojirushi)))
you need to be ready for all types of war))))
I know about 110-120 volts, since I buy everything in the USA ... or from Japan ... I don't buy anything in the Russian Federation ...
marish_kay
Tell DeLonghi EOB 2071 users - how is the kneading bowl processed with Teflon? or ceramics? Did you regret your choice?
sazalexter
marish_kay Teflon, as in 99% of bread makers, multicooker, rice cooker, pans and other utensils, as well as honey. dentures, tablecloths, ironing pillowcases, umbrellas and other equipment, more than 100 applications in the food industry.
I do not regret my choice, in my household it is an irreplaceable thing
marish_kay
Thank you.
Ksew
Hello everyone!)))) Finally, I got out, read it and decided to buy such a stove, I found it already in the Internet store, the current dimensions, it seems to me, are not accurate, members of the forum, please tell me the exact dimensions-height-depth-width (straight measured with a tape measure, and not indicated on the sites), I have a tabletop where it will stand-40cm (depth), so I don’t know if it will fit? And how much heat spreads from it? Thank you very much in advance! I'm really looking forward to hearing, ordering a day)))))
sazalexter
Ksew The heat from it is strong, like from any oven, 40cm will be installed on the tabletop, I will tell you the exact dimensions only in the evening.
Ksew
Thank you))))
Quote: sazalexter

Ksew The heat from her is strong like from any oven,
I incorrectly mean the walls are hot? Or will you not adore yourself if you accidentally touch it? And then the child is always interested in everything, suddenly he so inadvertently grabs
sazalexter
Ksew Full dimensions including backrests, front and side handles W / D / H 510 * 400 * 295
400 will be installed on the tabletop. It gets very hot especially from the top, you can get burned.
Ksew
Thank you very much, very important infa, I will keep in mind;) when it appears on sale now (((((I made an order yesterday, they confirmed it to me, they called back today, clarified it again, and after a couple of hours they called to inform that they were nowhere and it’s not clear when they will be! Finally, nowhere, I climbed everything! What kind of attack is this, it feels like their production has stopped (((((Just at the very moment when I decided on the stove (((
Matilda-N
Ksew mini-oven-bread maker DeLonghi EOB 2071 in my opinion is in yulmart, look!
sazalexter
Matilda-N Yes, depending on which city.
Ksew
: cray: in Moscow there is no yulmart, I will still look for the refrigerator. ru and threw an application into the technical port, in the M-video in the shops for a long time already and they bring the current home and with delivery to me it turns out to be 15 rubles and they also do not answer for sure whether it is or not! : pardon: Thank you all for your help, I'll find her shitty!))))
sazalexter
In the Delonghi brand store on order 🔗
In the fridge too
Ksew
found it !!!))): girl_claping: tomorrow they should bring it, unless of course they even remember about its absence: I will share my impressions))) And I found it on the tech port.
Ksew
Waiting ...
Elenara
Hello. I join the happy owners of this stove. This temka confirmed me in my choice. So far I have tried to bake only bread, it is quite good, only it smelled strongly of yeast. Saf levure yeast. The recipes indicate fresh brewer's yeast, where to get it. Took the same amount of grams, but this levure. For 1 kg of bread, how much dry yeast should be taken and what? Are electronic scales obligatory?
Did anyone make jam in it? I brought a cherry from my mother, I think this is how to cook in the stove. Grind on a blender or not? Should I add jellix? And it seems like cherries need more sugar. There are only two jam recipes in the booklet. Advise a delicious recipe and bread and jam.
And, also, I forgot, maybe someone knows about integral flour, what kind of flour it is specifically?
Buckwheat, or what?
sazalexter
Elenara Bake with dry yeast according to recipes from the forum, above on the topic there are links to proven recipes and photos.For a good result, buy a scale. I do not cook jam and do not advise doing it in HP (quick failure of the bucket) Integral, this is whole flour.
Elenara
Sazalexter, thank you very much for your prompt response. The cherry is already pitted, eh. I will probably cook on the stove, and posterize the cans in the oven. Do you need cherries to blnder? Do you know anything about jaundice, is it worth using it? And more about yeast, mine says active yeast, well, they are dry. Now I realized that I had gone too far with them in my first bread. I wonder why the bread smelled strongly of yeast, that is, if I put it according to the recipe (2 tsp. Approximately), there will be no smell? They are also recommended to be soaked on the packaging, I didn't do that, maybe because of this? Can you recommend (name) tested yeast, please.
Sazalexter, you are a treasure trove, thank you very much for writing. Always sensible and humorous. I think there are many of those who are grateful to you!
kubanochka
Everything!!! I am now also the owner of this Miracle! For the fourth day!
Very, well, just very, happy that I bought this stove I bought it in Yulmart for 11 kopecks.
sazalexter
Elenara For yeast, Saf levure needs to be soaked, but I do not use them, I use Saf moment, Fermipan, recently live yeast, I put 14 grams, now I switched to this mode, Peasant bread https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=2972.0 I put the dough in the SE1 mode: LEAVE, then SE11: RISE ON YEAST 2 hours, then add the rest to the dough and on the AU8 mode: RYE BREAD. It turns out very tasty
I don't bake white bread in it

White bread based on "Loaf of the times of stagnation" https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1016.0

Dry fast yeast - 1.5 h. l
Flour / s -400gr
Butter-30-40gr
Salt -2h l
Sugar - 2 tbsp. l
Water -250 ml
I will not say the mode on this HP, because I bake this bread exclusively on Panasonic. Here ..
PS: To taste, like a sliced ​​loaf for 25 kopecks
kubanochka
Quote: Elenara

And more about yeast, mine says active yeast, well, they are dry. Now I realized that I had gone too far with them in my first bread. I wonder why the bread smelled strongly of yeast, that is, if I put it according to the recipe (2 tsp. Approximately), there will be no smell?
I divided the amount of yeast indicated in the recipes from the instructions by 3. I use Saf-Instant, 125 g per pack. I take it to the Metro. Mini oven-bread maker DeLonghi EOB 2071
sazalexter
kubanochka Congratulations, I hope she will only delight you
sazalexter
Elenara Dry, fast yeast 1.5 / 2 tsp is quite enough (depending on the recipe) to blend the cherries if you cook confiture, if you don't need jam, jellification is a jelly for jam or confiture, although I'm not an expert in this
Elenara
Thank you, sazalexter and kubanochka! I will try peasant bread today and it became clearer with yeast!
Ksew
Hello everyone!)))))))) I finally waited for it, they brought it to us at night)))) And we just burned it right away, as it says, so that all the smells and unnecessary things disappeared, and then baked bread)))) beauty! The bread was eaten immediately, so they threw in another one)))) Everyone is happy with bread to the point of madness! Now, when the day was baking him again, after he came up and had to turn on the cooking (baking) mode, the light in the oven went out and the screen again showed the time that was at the beginning of cooking, i.e. f the same 2 hours 10 minutes, that's what it is, and remains a mystery ???? it never parted and had to take the bread out of the mold, divide it into three parts and bake in the bottom and top tenov mode with convection. it turned out three French bread))))) I set the temperature and time to 170 degrees and 40 minutes is a pound of dough.
About integral flour, I have a question - what kind of miracle is this? And so there are a lot of incorrectly translated words, so I will torture you and ask))
About yeast, we took dry doctor utker, a bag of 10gr - there it is written on the bag that they are equal to 25g of dry brewer's yeast, so if you need 10g of brewer's yeast, a little less than half of this bag was poured, vot.
In short, while everything is at random, it's more interesting))))
sazalexter
Ksew Integral flour is so called whole grain, (translation difficulties), today I already answered above on the topic. By the amount of yeast, 1.5-2 hours is enough. l if it's not difficult, please read the entire thread, even though there are a lot of interesting things through the post ...
Ksew
Quote: sazalexter

Ksew Integral flour is so called whole grain, (translation difficulties), today I already answered above on the topic. By the amount of yeast, 1.5-2 hours is enough. l if it's not difficult, please read the entire thread, even though there are a lot of interesting things through the post ...
Thank you))) while my previous post was kalyakala, new posts appeared, in short, I was late with these questions)))) But about turning it off during work and resetting time to the initial data, I never found anything, I apologize, of course, maybe someone wrote about this, but I overlooked (((
sazalexter
Ksew This HP has a memory, in case of a power outage, it remembers 15 minutes.
In the instructions:
A device that works only as a bread maker and
equipped with an outage protection program
in power supply, capable of maintaining a cycle
baking bread (based on the calculation - 15 minutes of absence
electrical energy). Longer
the period of power outages may
lead to the deletion of the program.
Ksew
Quote: sazalexter

Ksew This HP has a memory, in case of a power outage, it remembers 15 minutes.
In the instructions:
A device that works only as a bread maker and
equipped with an outage protection program
in power supply, capable of maintaining a cycle
baking bread (based on the calculation - 15 minutes of absence
electrical energy). Longer
the period of power outages may
lead to the deletion of the program.
Thanks, but that was not it, I also thought so at first, the e-mail did not turn off, it just peeped, the light inside went out, while the screen was on and the network was on, after which the initial time was displayed on the screen, although it had already kneaded and raised , it only remained to start baking, and when you pressed the start again, she began to stir the dough ... apparently there was a glitch ..... but oh well. But tasty little bread turned out!)))
sazalexter
Ksew I beg your pardon, I did not understand you correctly, I did not have such a glitch
Ksew
; -D Let's hope that there will be no more such glitches)))) let them work like a clock: girl_wink: We baked a potato with cheese in butter: girl_dance: I feel now we will not leave it at all)))) What it's a pleasure to cook in it !!!! And how did we live without her before? I felt that something was missing, now I understood somethingher!Soon we will be like donuts, we will be able to crawl into the current kitchen one by one)))))
sazalexter
Ksew Congratulations on the new assistant in the kitchen She bakes and bakes simply amazing
Ksew
Quote: sazalexter

Ksew Congratulations on the new assistant in the kitchen She bakes and bakes simply amazing
Thank you!
Elenara
Hello everyone. I cooked a delicious stew in a ceramic saucepan, excellent hot sandwiches turned out and, nevertheless, I cooked three small jars of jam - I'm happy with the results)) sazalexter please tell us why it is not advisable to cook the jam in more detail. She stirred and cooked for only fifty minutes, and the jam did not boil at all, only the foam, which I collected and immediately ate it. Then she sterilized the jars in it (oven) for 20 minutes and poured them. Made with brown sugar, half-lemon juice and zhelfix.
Sazalexter, one more question torments me, why did I get away from sourdough and switched to yeast. I just wanted to get confused on this topic, I read, everything seemed complicated to me, of course dry ones are easier. But what about thermophilic yeast, which is kind of terribly harmful, you've probably heard. What do you think about this? Or is it not that yeast at all and all this is nonsense. Impressed, of course, that the ancestors baked with sourdough. Your opinion is interesting.
More about the stove, it also sounded today after 6 minutes of work, but nothing happened. What was that? Twice it happened, the first time, too, where I made a peep in the process of work, I did not find it in the instructions. And even when taking out the bowl, she left part of the mitt on the lower tube, it smelled. Also twice. By the way, getting a hot bowl with jam was not easy.This is how the potholders are welded
And yet, where do you get live yeast and, in general, what kind of yeast is it?
sazalexter
Elenara Dachshund, jam should not be cooked in any HP because of sugar, getting into the oil seal, breaks it, the bucket breaks down. I didn’t bake with sourdough, it’s difficult for me, I don’t have time to bother with it. As far as yeast is concerned, there is no such thing as "thermophilic yeast" in science, it was invented by dropouts, of which there are a lot of them on the Internet now. And all this falls on the "nutrient soil" and "sprouts" due to the fact that biology is usually not taught at school
In addition to the same yeast, the sourdough contains at least lactic acid bacteria. Together with yeast, they do not allow putrefactive microflora to start in it. Yeast is everywhere; moreover, without it a person cannot live at all. Learn more about yeast 🔗Family
My HP squeaks in the same way I don’t know. I grabbed my mittens a couple of times, after that I calcined the ten in the oven mode until the synthetics were completely burned out. After a long search, I bought cotton mittens for HP, they do not stick to the ten
Live yeast is fresh, on which our grandmothers baked and brewed moonshine. They still sell in stores, thank God
Elenara
Thank you very much again. That is, living yeast in briquettes is the size of curd cheese? I remember they always were before, but now they haven’t met, probably just because they were unnecessary.

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