Bread maker Bork X800

[gela]

I ask for help and thank you for understanding the respondent, but unfortunately, maybe his happiness (hopefully happiness) who has another stove !!!
To be honest, the mode is the usual one, no frills, just a crackle goes at this moment, which I indicated.

I do not crack anything, sometimes something clicks in it, probably when the program automatically changes to the next stage.

gela, adjust the appearance of your answer to make it easier to read.
Your text should be placed after the word / quote].
This is how it should look -

I ask for help and thank you for understanding the respondent, but unfortunately, maybe his happiness (hopefully happiness) who has another stove !!!
To be honest, the mode is the usual one, no frills, just a crackle goes at this moment, which I indicated.

I do not crack anything, sometimes something clicks in it, probably when the program automatically changes to the next stage.

[gela]

Something I can not correct the message
Vanya28 if my messages interfere with the appearance of the page, then delete them, perhaps: girl_curtsey: one hundred ....

gela , dont be upset. All of us at first could not! Need to study. The algorithm is as follows: after clicking the "Quote" button

Your text should be placed after the word / quote].

And you get your text before this word. And it is not the users who decide to delete the message, but the moderators of this topic.

my first bread maker was Hitachi - measured the food correctly, pressed the button, and that's it ... the Japanese were all clear - there was no talk of any kolobok - the program worked out - the result is perfect! If I were in the place of those who sell this bread machine, I would order a batch of measuring spoons, glasses. and a knife, as in Hitachi, would not hurt for bread, at least for a fee. After 2 weeks of trying, the bread came out. I took the standard recipe from a book with honey. I bookmark the products at 500 g. - I set the program to 750 - the crust turned out to be an ideal bread of excellent consistency and taste. I didn’t have time to take a picture, he didn’t have time to cool down!

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After 2 weeks of trying, the bread came out.
...

Two weeks of daring with this standard bread maker?
Hats off!

And taking into account the experience you already have in baking in another bread maker,
this is no longer a joke, this is already cool!


p.s.
Maybe this will help you? Read it.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=141429.0

my first bread maker was Hitachi - measured the food correctly, pressed the button, and that's it ... the Japanese were all clear - there was no talk of any kolobok - the program worked out - the result is perfect! If I were in the place of those who sell this bread machine, I would order a batch of measuring spoons, glasses. and a knife, as in Hitachi, would not hurt for bread, at least for a fee. After 2 weeks of trying, the bread came out. I took the standard recipe from a book with honey. I bookmark the products at 500 g. - I set the program to 750 - the crust turned out to be an ideal bread of excellent consistency and taste. I didn’t have time to take a picture, he didn’t have time to cool down!

My first bread maker was also Hitachi, it worked for more than 10 years, the oil seal in the bucket flew. I also hope that I can redeem at least for the dacha. The stove was actually problem-free, when I started to bake in it, I didn't even think about any koloboks and proportions.

found a recipe for carrot bread on the forum. Anyone baking? : girl_cray: which program did you use? thank you in advance

In general, the process and experiments are underway. Kill it, but the bread is light crust. It doesn't matter which mode ..
I also wonder what recipe to apply to yeast-free bread? Yeast Free Mode ....

I bake 500 grams of bread in the 750 mode. The second, after the beep sounds, the dispenser has opened, I open the oven and close it. After this idea, the desired golden crust finally appeared for the "miracle machine with manual finishing", I repeatedly baked bread - everything works out well - before that, in 2 weeks I had never obtained the desired color.

[Admin]

Good day to all!
I have been reading the forum for 10 months already. I registered recently, my conscience got stuck. People write, share their experience with recipes, but I use it and keep quiet. True, time is running out, the child is small with great needs.
Low bow to you all, eh Admin and Vane28 in particular, you owe an unpaid debt. How many times have I already wanted to write, complain, it’s not like that, it’s not that way, but no, I read my favorite forum while I’m sleeping and clearing up.

So. We handed over the Kenwood 450th, donated by my husband while I was making a choice, I was tormented, and recently purchased the 800th Bork.

What I want to say. Bread can be baked in any oven and even without it (I think the latter option is even preferable). But we are all driven, everyone has time trouble, so the scientific and technological revolution comes to the rescue.

Kenwood was on a solid 4. But some of the peculiarities of his "programming", hmm ... I really feel guilty in front of him. He fed us for 9 months regularly.
I don't see any shortcomings in Bork yet. For me it is 5+. The very first bread, deliberately according to the recipe from the book with cinnamon and raisins (although there were doubts, it was not easy) came out great. And in Ken, with bread with whole grain flour, all my problems were not solved until the end, rye turned out better, and then bam, it turned out! And as for the noise level, I generally keep quiet ...

The only, long-term communication with Kenwood taught me to look at the plates describing the modes, where all the stages of the factory program execution are minutely described. Well, there: 1 knead 3 minutes, the second 20, 1 rise 30, and so on ... It was convenient for me, but Bork does not have such plates, although you can scroll through it and remember it before starting the program, but it is inconvenient for me to keep it all in my head, son, I say, a little distracted.
So I sat down and made these signs for myself. This is how they look:

🔗

If anyone is interested, I'll post it in all modes. Vanya said, we need to help each other!

Sorry for the verbosity, I just wanted to explain everything in detail and clearly.

I bake 500 grams of bread in the 750 mode. The second, after the beep sounds, the dispenser has opened, I open the oven and close it. After this idea, the desired golden crust finally appeared for the "miracle machine with manual finishing", I repeatedly baked bread - everything works out well - before that, in 2 weeks I had never obtained the desired color.

Excuse me, maybe just try to increase the baking temperature? Or her time? Or a little bit of both?

It seems to me that this stove is made so that everyone can make their own adjustments to any program at all stages, in accordance with their preferences, products and conditions. It’s just that it’s not a "full automatic", but a stove with some averaged factory settings and the ability to change them.

Naturally, I didn’t timed the response time of the dispenser. I just counted it myself, so as not to calculate it every time. (This is what laziness does to people) So where there are questions in these lines, I'm not sure if it works at all. These are programs that simply knead the dough, well, and something else, for which there was simply not enough time and effort. So don't get angry if you need them, just add them.
And if you find an error, please report it in this thread. Let's update the plates.

Good bread to all!

[This is what laziness does to people.]

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And yet, of course, I didn’t timed the response time of the dispenser. I just counted it myself, so as not to calculate it every time. (This is what laziness does to people.) ...

And if you find an error, please report it in this thread. Let's update the plates.

Mashilda, we will find mistakes, whoever doubts, it is clear that laziness does something with people, moves them to progress!

Who would read the instructions ?! Well, if only everything is broken and everything does not work, then only then we read it.

Lay out the plates, on their basis we will supplement the main table of BORK.X800 modes,
the table is laid out here, Reply # 50
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=141429.0
and here Answer # 86
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=141429.0

The operating time of the dispenser is described in the instructions, page 26 and here, Answer # 119
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=141429.0

On the dispenser operation, please check how it will work, if the time kneading 2 to expose less than 8 minutesfor example 5 minutes and see if and when the dispenser works.
Nobody has verified this yet.
Help, spend another 10 minutes.
Your signs very well and clearly help beginners to understand
how to deal, for example, with the color of the crust.
We look forward to seeing the plate and checking the operation of the dispenser!
For all, many thanks and thanks to the reputation !!!

This file is on one sheet.
If in eksel - then do it like this:
- We poke on the "preview" button
- poke on the "page" button
- choose the type - "book" or "landscape"
- select "place no more than" - respectively 1 page in width and 1 page in height.
We print.

[Vanya 28]

Vanya 28, and I read the instructions!
And a sign Kitties and Axes also!!!
And this whole thread too.
All of the above has become just a fundamental factor when choosing a stove.
Moreover, the plate that Kisa and Osya laid out appeared in the printed form at home before the stove! I thanked them. And I say it again, out loud. Well done!

Maybe you just looked inattentively?
I laid out tables with standardsewn by the manufacturer parameters to each setting, loaf weight and crust color.
And Kisa and the Axis have a table with a possible selection range, it is very convenient, but my tables are for another completely. Especially useful for beginners.
For example:
You put everything in the oven, started the program, passed the kneading, the first and second proofing, but for some reason the dough does not fit, or rather it fits, but slowly, and let it stand for another 10-20 minutes before baking, for this you need the oven on pause, five minutes before the start of baking. This is where the question arises. And when will this baking start? Unfortunately, you will not see this in the Kisa and Osi or Bork table. The display during the operation of the stove shows only the time until the end of the entire program, and not a separate stage.

Or here's another example, with a dispenser. It works exactly 8 minutes before the end of the second batch. You noticed this correctly. But on the screen of the stove, only the time until the end of the entire program is indicated. And the duration of the first and second kneading is different and somewhere it will work 11 minutes from the beginning of the program and 3 hours 13 minutes before its end (whole grain, 500 g, light crust), and somewhere 18 minutes after the start and in 1 hour 43 minutes to the end (accelerated white, 1000 g, light). And you need to throw freshly fried onions, which you can't push into the dispenser, or poppy seeds. These same "to the end of the program" I entered into the table, so as not to count every time.

Where is Bork in the instructions for this? And Kenwood had it and I had time to get used to it.

The way is, we remember on a piece of paper when we start the program, the duration of the stages, running the program in advance, and then we calculate when we come up to throw it or look.
Right?
Well, so that every time I do not remember and write down, I did it 1 time. I printed it out and put it in the file. It's more comfortable for me.
Maybe it will be more convenient for someone too.
I'll check the dispenser now.

[Romario01]

This file is on one sheet.
If in eksel - then do it like this:
- We poke on the "preview" button
- poke on the "page" button
- choose the type - "book" or "landscape"
- select "place no more than" - respectively 1 page in width and 1 page in height.
We print.

Romario01, thanks, of course. But you and I know this and we can do it, and yet someone, perhaps, cannot, does not know how.Well, a person has never worked with these programs! I wrote that the "raw" version of the file was laid out, as usual, "after assembly, process with a file" ... Why can't you make a normal version right away ?! Better yet, why not include such, or such, table (s) in the package of documents that comes with the oven ?! Here's my main question to the manufacturer's representative!

[kneading 2]

On the dispenser operation, please check how it will work, if the time kneading 2 to expose less than 8 minutesfor example 5 minutes and see if and when the dispenser works.
Nobody has verified this yet.

Vania!
Checked it out.
The first batch is 0.
The second batch is 5 minutes.
The dispenser was activated at the same time as the program started.
Conclusion: do not get the dispenser dirty, if you need an ultra-short batch, pour everything into a bucket at once.
Here.
If possible, I am always glad to provide a service.

[Gela]

Gela
And they apparently were in a hurry to release the stove to the market. Or some people are engaged in iron, and designers make a set of papers, they are far from baking.

By the way, a careful reading of the instructions while pressing the buttons at the same time revealed a pleasant surprise:
Borck's instruction, page 29.
Whole Wheat and Whole Wheat Accelerated Bread - Default crust color. (type of choice is not available, both in sweet and French)
In fact, you can choose all three options for the crust. Moreover, there are differences in time and in baking temperature.

Bork is late, but at least unsubscribes ... But Kenwood, about his joint with pastries in programmed modes, is silent even to questions on the official website.

Hello everybody!!!! Tell me where to find fresh recipes for the x800 bread maker? Thanks in advance!!!!!

[dimitrius]

Hello everybody!!!! Tell me where to find fresh recipes for the x800 bread maker? Thanks in advance!!!!!

And also "first class ink"
dimitrius The whole forum, solid recipes

[Vanya 28]

Vanya 28, and I read the instructions!
And a sign Kitties and Axes also!!!
...

Mashilda, well, where, where are all the plates with the factory settings of the remaining 5 programs? Spread out faster and we will combine all the tables with the general table of all Bork x800 programs with a full range of adjustments.
Hands are just itching, we are already saving up some money for this stove.
p.s.
When scrolling, the table turned out to be full for all main modes.
December 8, 2011.

[Mashilda]

Mashilda, well, where, where are all the plates with the factory settings of the programs? Spread out faster and we will combine all the tables with the general table of all Bork x800 programs with a full range of adjustments.
Hands are just itching, we are already saving up some money for this stove.

The files are made in two formats .xlsx and .xls, which are Excel 2010 and Excel 97-2003, respectively.
Download links:
🔗 - Excel 2010
🔗 - Excel 97-2003
The plates are formatted for printing at the rate of one table per A5 page, that is, on one A4 sheet there are two tables with a cutting line marking.

More attentively, comrades! Carefully !!!

More attentively, comrades! Carefully !!!

That's right, Comrade! Carefully !!!
We are waiting for full tables of modes.
Apparently, Comrade, you didn’t manage to overlook!

p.s.
When scrolling, the table turned out to be full for all main modes.
December 8, 2011.

[Mashilda]

That's right, Comrade! Carefully !!!
We are waiting for full tables of modes.
Apparently, Comrade, you didn’t manage to overlook!

Yes, you are witties !!! Parodists are straight! You should go to the stage, to the "Full house, full house"!

You know, judging by your "answer" like "We are waiting for the full tables of modes", it is not entirely clear what you mean by that ?! So what SPECIFICALLY You want from Mashilda?! What, in your opinion, are the presented tables "incomplete"? If you mean what it says Mashilda in his post:

And yet, of course, I didn’t timed the response time of the dispenser. I just counted it myself, so as not to calculate it every time. (This is what laziness does to people) So where there are questions in these lines, I'm not sure if it works at all.These are programs that simply knead the dough, well, and something else, for which there was simply not enough time and effort. So don't get angry if you need them, just add them.
And if you find an error, please report it in this thread. Let's update the plates.

In my opinion, everything is said clearly and very clearly ?! Found a mistake - report it. Do you think the information provided is incomplete - please add it! The author of the tables makes it clear that he does not have time to collect ALL information by the second, and even by the minute! As soon as an error is found or any addition to the existing and already posted information appears, then this will be reported in this thread, the files with the tables will be re-uploaded and the download links will be made available to the public. Instead of thanking the person for the work done and the time spent, which, by the way, she was not too lazy to do with regard to your reputation on the forum, you are "waiting" for something and demanding!
So, you either specify what you are missing in the existing tables, or end up with a flood !!!

[Mashilda]

Mashilda, well, where, where are all the plates with the factory settings of the programs? Spread out faster and we will combine all the tables with the general table of all Bork x800 programs with a full range of adjustments.
Hands are just itching, we are already saving up some money for this stove.

Dear ones!
Everything that X800 can do by itself, if you don't change the settings manually,
(change something every time, suddenly you make a mistake or your hand trembles, but then he pressed the button and ran to change the diapers for the kids)
posted here:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=141429.140
Left just a little bit!
Just wait until you, poor fellows, accumulate these unfortunate tugriks and join the ranks of those who were blessed with Bork!
Because, those who are in the subject, are already imbued with the signs and use them with might and main!
And the fact that the dispenser response time is not indicated everywhere does not matter!
Few people pour nuts into pizza dough or pasta. And whoever needs it, he himself will calculate, here you are. Truth?
And I, however, do not have enough time yet, the child is overloading the vaccine, and you still need to bake bread for the family!
And you yourself bake bread, or else it’s 3 years already, all the bread from Vani 28 do you advertise?
Guys! New Years is soon! This is such a cozy and homely holiday. Make a present for your wonderful family!
Bread from this oven is a holiday every day!
Good luck to all of you bread!

[Dimitrius]

Hello everybody!!!! Tell me where to find fresh recipes for the x800 bread maker? Thanks in advance!!!!!

Dimitrius!
You Sazalexter answered very succinctly and succinctly, but I still allow myself to expand his answer.
In fact (I am plagiarizing, a lot has been said about this on the forum) you can bake any bread in any oven.
Choose any recipe that you like in terms of products, read the author's recommendations on the kneading and baking process, preferably read the entire thread, well, suddenly no one except the author succeeded (although unlikely) and that's it. Bake.
For the first 10 minutes, watch the kolobok, then control at least the last ascent. To calm the soul.
Much has been written about this in the beginner topics, in the basics of kneading and baking, which Admin leads. For which she bows deeply from all bakers.
So, when choosing recipes for yourself, be guided not by the model of the stove, but by your preferences, products and the amount of time you can devote to bread.
Good bread to you!

[full]

Yes, you are witties !!! Parodists are straight! You should go to the stage, to the "Full house, full house"!
...
You know, judging by your "answer" like "We are waiting for the full tables of modes", it is not entirely clear what you mean by that ?!
...

And even we want to say that we are waiting for full tables of factory settings, and not an extract of 3 programs out of 8, not counting 3 programs for kneading dough and making jam.
What it would be useful for you to be convinced first by reading and understanding, and then by writing.
And if there is also the owner of the stove, then it is not harmful to move from readers (consumers) to helpers and writers of help! And do not flood here, as you rightly noticed!
And if you want to work as Zeus, then come to Olympus!
Does the Bork X800 stove have something to do with it?

Dear ones!
Everything that X800 can do by itself, if you don't change the settings manually,
...
posted here:
.....

And all that is laid out is only an extract of the factory settings of 3 programs out of 8, not counting the 3 programs for kneading dough and making jam.
It's here:
🔗 - Excel 2010
🔗 - Excel 97-2003

The full range of program adjustments,
which requires additional factory settings, presented here:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=141429.0
and here:
🔗

They are not noticed in impoliteness and in freebies!
And whoever noticed, the first one can throw a stone!
And we are waiting full tables for inclusion in complete description of the stove,
and not in an excerpt from it, right and on this thanks to those who did.
Users and readers, vouch for and help count the remaining 5 programs
and include them in the tables already drawn up.
Business then, 30 minutes, maximum.
Unfortunately, we don't have this stove.
p.s.
When scrolling, the table turned out to be full for all main modes.
December 8, 2011.

[Mashilda]

Either you have problems with Excel, or with vision, or with arithmetic ... In any of the above cases, except for the last one, neither I nor Mashilda We cannot help you! Guys and animals, let's stop "pouring water" and let's talk specifically! It is really very difficult to understand you, since you do not say any specifics:

And all that is laid out is only an extract of the factory settings of 3 programs out of 8, not counting the 3 programs for kneading dough and making jam.

What exactly 3 programs out of 8 do you see ?!

Since there may be problems with arithmetic, I will list it, and I will help to count, all the modes given in the laid out Mashilda tables.
Let's start.
1st of 3 suggested sheets of the workbook contains 2 tables describing 2 regime Basic / Basic and Rapid Basic with all possible crust colors and weights
The 2nd sheet is similar to the first one, and contains a description 2 following modes Whole Wheat and Rapid Whole Wheat
3rd sheet, Attention!, contains a description 8 modes in 2 tables. Namely: 1st table: Gluten free and Jam / Jam; 2nd table: Crusty Loaf / Crispy Bun (French); Sweet / Sweet; Dough; Pizza / Pizza; Pasta / Pasta; Yeast Free / Cupcake.

Total: On the 3 sheets, in 6 tables described 12 basic modes, except for the dough kneading program and the jam making program, of which the total number is 4, then the tables describe 8 standard modes.
There is no description of 2 modes in these tables Custom / Manual programming and Bake only... Why is there no description of these modes, I hope, there is no need to explain?

Now please strain and list specifically, what do you lack for complete happiness and tranquility?

Either you have problems with Excel,
....

We accept bricks, we won’t give them a sling, we won’t send them to Olympus !!!
We will summarize the general table, show the table, fix the rest.
p.s.
When scrolling, the table turned out to be full for all main modes.
December 8, 2011.

[Mashild]

We accept bricks, we won’t give them a sling, we won’t send them to Olympus !!!
Let's summarize the general table, fix the rest.

Well, thank you, Lord! Sorted it out !!!! Thanks, that was fun!

P.S. Do not be lazy thank Mashild for the time spent, she will be very pleased!

We begin to bring together a general table of all modes of the Bork X800 bread machine
with a full range of adjustments and factory settings for programs.



Wait ....
Let's make a summary table for each mode separately.
And they could not imagine that after the stories with formatting for printing, there would be a couple of A5 plates on one sheet, and not one. Didn't finish reading!
Hee Hee!
All in all, it was necessary to point out this miscalculation and the phrase would not have turned out to be long.
And everything else would have already been made and a laurel wreath to boot.
Wait ....

[PS]

We accept bricks, we won’t give them a sling, we won’t send them to Olympus !!!
We will summarize the general table, show the table, fix the rest.
p.s.
When scrolling, the table turned out to be full for all main modes.
December 8, 2011.

Where's me going ?!
I'm not asking for Olympus, of course, they feed me well here, but I had to waste my time on empty blah-blah-blah!
And why is it so small, albeit red?
And she didn't "turn out." She was like that from the beginning.I also apologized there for the fact that the dispenser response time was not set in the dough mixing programs. Remember?
I certainly understand:
"Some aunt, she knows how to make Yoksele plates, and she's also trying to take away your laurels, climbs with them on the forum, you know ... And even to Vanya's request, the only user responded, checked the dispenser. (I really still I don't know where to define this knowledge, but out of pure curiosity, yes I checked it)
Whoa-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo! All that is not enough for her our wonderful tabitsa of manual settings! "

All, for my part, I finished this destructive dialogue. Too much respect, the forum and its creators, as well as the time of users.
Don't judge the flood harshly, I'm still a lady, it was a little offensive for the unfounded accusations.

I will gladly answer other questions about the X800 as I have free time. You want, in comparison with the 450th Kenwood.
Happy bread everyone!

PS Do you need it in common? Not too big of a sheet? And the eyes, from a large amount of information in one table in small print, will not get blurry?
Although it's up to you, of course, whoever is more comfortable will choose for himself. I just printed the little ones on A5 and stitched them into my daddy when I need to open the desired page. Yours with manual settings, also pushed onto the A5, it is on the first page in my book.

[Mashilda]

All that was necessary was to point out this miscalculation and the phrase would not turn out to be long.

Well guys, well damn it! Excuse me, but who was this written for ?!

The plates are formatted for printing at the rate of one table per A5 page, that is, on one A4 sheet there are two tables with a cutting line marking.

Well, the circle is complete! They said: "Careful!"

For the greatest clarity and clarity Mashilda made the following adjustments to the message with links to download tables today

A total of 6 tables on 3 sheets.

Where can you find human recipes specifically for the x800?
The recipe book does not suit. Or are they not?

[Dimitrius]

Where can you find human recipes specifically for the x800?
The recipe book does not suit. Or are they not?

Hello everybody!!!! Tell me where to find fresh recipes for the x800 bread maker? Thanks in advance!!!!!

Dimitrius!
You Sazalexter answered very succinctly and succinctly, but I still allow myself to expand his answer.
In fact (I am plagiarizing, a lot has been said about this on the forum) you can bake any bread in any oven.
Choose any recipe that you like in terms of products, read the author's recommendations on the kneading and baking process, preferably read the entire thread, well, suddenly no one except the author succeeded (although unlikely) and that's it. Bake.
For the first 10 minutes, watch the kolobok, then control at least the last ascent. To calm the soul.
Much has been written about this in the beginner topics, in the basics of kneading and baking, which Admin leads. For which she bows low to her from all bakers.
So, when choosing recipes for yourself, be guided not by the model of the stove, but by your preferences, products and the amount of time you can devote to bread.
Good bread to you!

________________________ _________________
"Who wants everything and gets nothing at once and never!" ©

________________________ _________________
"Who wants everything and gets nothing at once and never!" ©

I read, but my head is already spinning from such a number of theory, and some of the answers, in my opinion, simply do not know how to express their thoughts briefly. They expand their answer to half a page. As a result, you read and completely lose the thread of the conversation.
It is a pity that the owners of Bork do not copy recipes for their HP, specifically for beginners, so that we do not rack our brains in the first stages.

Can you explain how to use these tables?
As I understand it, these are the basic characteristics of time, temperature, etc.?
In which direction you can change them so as not to spoil the baked goods.
For several days I have been looking for a recipe on the site (as anyone wrote to me above) to use it for x800, so far I have not found anything worthwhile: either for the oven, or with a complex description, or incomplete.
Here example: How to link it to this HP I can’t put my mind to.But I'm sure that she can do everything. No wonder the money was spent.
I read theory, but so far I have not found any practical recipes to link theory with practice.

[need to learn how to cook]

Can you explain how to use these tables?
As I understand it, these are the basic characteristics of time, temperature, etc.?
In which direction you can change them so as not to spoil the baked goods.
....
I read theory, but so far I have not found any practical recipes to link theory with practice.

It's okay to have a mess in your head!

First you need to relax, get pleasure, understanding and it will come.
All recipes will immediately become good, and even those that have already been viewed.

Relax! Forget about stoves and think about your daily bread!
Joke!!!
But seriously, everything revolves around three whales!
1. This is the dough, its need to learn how to cook and he absolutely does not care where to bake.
2. This is the baking temperature of the bread. The temperature range is very narrow, 160 - 220C degrees.
In Bork x800, the maximum baking temperature is 150C degrees,
but this is most likely not the case and the temperature is higher
(the question is, where is the measurement taken),
need to be checked by measuring C / P at the top of the working chamber.
3. It's baking time. It depends somewhat on the weight of the loaf, but not much, 10 - 20 minutes plus, minus. The main range of baking times is 40 - 90 minutes.

Here lies the answer to your question - what to do!
The adaptation of any recipe is very simple, just choose a recipe,
see the model of the stove in which it was baked
and which modes (programs) used.
For all basic HP models, these data are known,
then open the table of modes of your HP and see similar ones.
Note.
Your HP, - BORK X800 is interesting for
that any other HP from the Russian market can simply be repeated in it (by programming),
but you might think what to change given your preferences.
For example, shorten the program by raising the temperature!

And it’s hard to spoil bread, if you don’t obviously do something stupid.
By changing the baking temperature, with the right test, your bread will be baked,
but the crust will be either dark or light.
This will not spoil the bread!
And so on.
For a seed, I suppose that's enough.

You can see how one recipe is baked in different bread makers in my topic: -
Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives

Di matrix, I bake a lot of different things in this oven from the forum. White bread-100 percent excellent will work out-take a wheat yeast ruble and in it either Yana's mustard or, in my opinion, sesame from Yana-on with honey and milk, you can do without sesame and any vegetable oil instead of sesame. If everything is according to the recipe, well, it is not possible to spoil, the bread is ideal, the mode is basic, do not change anything ..... Good luck !!!

[Vanya28]

Vanya28, Thank you for your reply. I will try.
lenaa, I will try, but baked from here a couple of times: maybe it was not a very successful recipe, or we chose the wrong parameters and the time of each process, but the bun didn’t turn out the way we needed it.

These two breads from Yana are ideal koloboks, perfect taste ...... You can even see when you choose a recipe, where dozens of pages of positive reviews are an exact hit, bake, don't be afraid !!!

[lenaa]

lenaa, I have not tried those, but yesterday I tried to bake bread, which I advised Vanya28 ... Once again I express my gratitude =) The bread turned out to be excellent. Before that I read and did not understand the essence, but yesterday I re-read it and did it in the programmed mode (Custom). I set the time, the number of ingredients as needed. Only instead of malt I used kvass wort.
At the beginning it seemed that there was not enough water, because the bun was just lying in a piece and did not turn. I had to add some water and help with a spatula as advised in the recipe. But he did not interfere constantly, but in periods.
I post a photo, and two questions remained unresolved: why the bread did not rise as in the picture and why it cracked (although this is not critical). For some reason, the baking temperature at x800 is a maximum of 150 degrees. only.






Don't kick hard =)))

[lenaa]

lenaa, I have not tried those, but yesterday I tried to bake bread, which I advised Vanya28 ... Once again I express my gratitude =) The bread turned out to be excellent. Before that I read and did not understand the essence, but yesterday I re-read it and did it in the programmed mode (Custom). I set the time, the number of ingredients as needed. Only instead of malt I used kvass wort.
At the beginning it seemed that there was not enough water, because the bun was just lying in a piece and did not turn. I had to add some water and help with a spatula as advised in the recipe. But he did not interfere constantly, but in periods.
I post a photo, and two questions remained unresolved: why the bread did not rise as in the picture and why it cracked (although this is not critical). For some reason, the baking temperature at x800 is a maximum of 150 degrees. only.

Don't kick hard =)))

To help more specifically, lay out coarsely cut bread.
Everything that was done with the recipe must be described in detail - what, how much and in what sequence was added and performed.

I liked the taste of the bread, if I understand correctly.
But what kind of crumb turned out without a photo is not clear.
At least tell us.
A matter of dough rise and top crack, it's the ratio of water to total dry ingredients, adjusted for the local rye flour and the yeast may have let you down too.
Tell and show.

Understanding comes if a person wants it.
It's good that everything you read here has begun to give results.
It will only get easier and more enjoyable in the future!


In Bork x800, the maximum baking temperature is 150C degrees,
but this is most likely not the case and the temperature is higher
(the question is, where is the measurement taken),
need to be checked by measuring C / P at the top of the working chamber.

[Mashilda]

Can you explain how to use these tables?
As I understand it, these are the basic characteristics of time, temperature, etc.?

You got it right. In tablets from Mashilda lists the operating ranges for the cooking times and temperatures for proofing and baking. With the help of the plates, you can more accurately understand which of the programs suits you best for making bread according to your chosen recipe.

[Vanya28]

Vanya28, the crumb is not baked. Was a little damp and stuck together. I didn't have time to take a photo) The taste was still good, maybe because I don't have such a subtlety in taste, and I don't feel the little things.
First he poured water, then rye flour, kvass wort (liquid and subtracted 50 ml of water on the basis that the wort is not dry), then sugar, salt and yeast. Quantity as it was written. Yeast certainly failed, I think so too. Firstly, they used the simplest and most dry ones, and, secondly, it seems to me, they should have been initially activated and made in the form of a dough.
The main problem, in my opinion, was the kneading - either it was necessary to help more often with a spatula, or more water, or to do two kneading and kneading (by the way, about kneading: in the description it was written that when lifting 0 min, kneading is not included on Kenwood , but there is still a ripple and it can be adjusted. But I did not go against the recipe).
Next time I will give more photos for better understanding.

[Admin]

Can you explain how to use these tables?
As I understand it, these are the basic characteristics of time, temperature, etc.?
In which direction you can change them so as not to spoil the baked goods.
For several days I have been looking for a recipe on the site (as anyone wrote to me above) to use it for x800, so far I have not found anything worthwhile: either for the oven, or with a complex description, or incomplete.
Here example: How to link it to this HP I can’t put my mind to. But I'm sure that she can do everything. No wonder the money was spent.
I read theory, but so far I have not found any practical recipes to link theory with practice.

Yes, you understood correctly, these are basic characteristics.
They help in the following case: we select a recipe, look at which program the author bakes in his HP, look for how this program works, select a similar one in our X800. Or, as Vanya rightly said, 28 we simply program our stove to fit the author's mode approximately.

That and the plus of this Bork, you can recreate almost any mode, any other stove, if it is not classified!

We also do this: we bake bread, spy on it at different stages, as advises Admin we write everything down, after receiving the total, "we do the work on the errors." Next time we make changes - add or reduce the proving time, or adjust the baking or temperature.

But tell me, do you really seriously think that if you are given a recipe exactly to the gram, (342 flour such and such, 5 ml of salt, 23.5 sugar, etc.), right here with the names of brands and manufacturers of products, they will describe every second the whole process, how to program the stove, then you repeat all this at home and you will succeed in everything exactly like the author's? And will you also like the taste?

You just baked everything according to Vania's recipe, and in your photo, after all, the dough during kneading does not look at all the same as in his video.
Didn't it strike you as strange? Well, here is the corresponding result ...
After all, flour is stored differently for everyone, yeast, too, the humidity and temperature in the kitchen are different for everyone ...
I repeat what has been written many times by local gurus, and not only gurus.
Vanya has already said the main thing - we are learning to work with the test.

Bork can do a lot, but no more than any other stove !!! It is simply more convenient and pleasant to work with him and that's it!
Bread is, nevertheless, you bake, and it is only your tool and helper.

Start with a simple one, first wheat bread, then wheat-rye, and then you will get to rye, maybe make friends with sourdough. Or go the route of supplements like panifarin and agram, which is also a good way.
Understand, the dough is alive, it is not to knead cement.

I, after the most ordinary egg, started with these:
mustard milk
curd roll
Sally Lunn
These three are now baked continuously. Rye from this beginning:
Rye "everything is very simple"
Of course I baked and Vanin bread, delicious, even too much.
In general, I tried a lot, fed something to the birds, something for crackers and cutlets. As everyone thinks.
After several experiments, I came to the conclusion that it is still better to bake pure rye in the oven or at least in the cartoon. And although I do not give up the hope of fully mechanizing this process, each time this hope remains less and less.
In HP now I bake mixed ones, for example Selyansky
Well French
And every week I try something new.
And I wish and advise you that. Good luck!

Sorry for the verbosity. I just want you to succeed as soon as possible.

[Vanya28]

Vanya28, the crumb is not baked. Was a little damp and stuck together. I didn't have time to take a photo) The taste was still good, maybe because I don't have such a subtlety in taste, and I don't feel the little things.
First he poured water, then rye flour, kvass wort (liquid and subtracted 50 ml of water on the basis that the wort is not dry), then sugar, salt and yeast. Quantity as it was written. Yeast certainly failed, I think so too. Firstly, they used the simplest and most dry ones, and, secondly, it seems to me, they should have been initially activated and made in the form of a dough.
The main problem, in my opinion, was the kneading - either it was necessary to help more often with a spatula, or more water, or to do two kneading and kneading (by the way, about kneading: in the description it was written that when lifting 0 min, kneading is not included on Kenwood , but there is still a ripple and it can be adjusted. But I did not go against the recipe).
Next time I will give more photos for better understanding.

We baked according to the recipe below, all the calculations were done almost correctly.
How to do it correctly on a piece of paper, see below,
as there are often mistakes.

Rye custard bread
- an old Russian recipe in modern technology in 3 hours in a bread maker or oven.
Loaf 1 kg.
1. Peeled rye flour - 500 gr.
2. Fermented dry rye malt - 50 ml. = 40 gr.
3. Sourdough "Agram light" - 50 ml. = 35 gr.
or "Dark Agram" - 15 ml. = 10 gr.
4. Fructose, sugar can be - 75 ml. = 75 gr.
5. Fine salt - 10 ml. = 15 gr.
6. Dry yeast - 10 ml. = 8 gr.
7. Boiled water - 450 ml.
(350 ml. Room temperature + 100 ml. Boiling water for brewing malt).
Proving dough at 40 degrees Celsius - 60 minutes.
Baking at 170-180C degrees Celsius - 1 hour 30 minutes.
More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0

You changed the recipe, eliminated dry sourdough, and replaced dry malt with kvass wort.
The question is, how much water should there be in the recipe?
Answer, count all dry ingredients in the original recipe in grams:
500 + 40 + 35 + 75 + 15 + 8 = 673 gr. Liquids, respectively, 450 ml. (gr.),
count all dry ingredients in the modified recipe in grams:
500 + 75 + 15 + 8 = 598 gr. Liquids, respectively, 50 ml of kvass wort + X ml. water.
we get the proportion:
673 --- 450
598 --- 50 + X
We decide:
X = (598 * 450/673) -50
X = 350 ml. water, this is the required amount of water.

Now let's see what you have - the bread did not rise, it cracked, but the taste is normal.
You have wort of unknown concentration, flour of unknown grinding and moisture content.
How much water is required as a result of this? We think!!!
By calculation, you have 50 ml more liquid, but the bread is almost complete,
write off the difference to local flour and wort.
Let's not touch the amount of water for the second bake.
Yeast, - clearly did not work (the type of yeast is not specified,
there is yeast that must first be diluted).
We also take into account the absence or presence of dry sourdough,
- dry starter culture reduces the lifting force of the yeast.
notethat the leaven "Agram" is different in acidity and if you confuse it,
the bread may be very sour and the dough will not rise.
Since there is no sourdough, then, accordingly, your yeast is not at all successful.
Decision -
1. We change the yeast or use the existing one, doubling the quantity.
2. We look (control) how the dough will rise,
it should approximately double in volume.
In your case, another 2-3 cm.
The time for raising the test on your program may be enough, it may turn out to be a little, or, on the contrary, a lot.
We regulate this visually, forcibly turning on or off the stove if necessary.
Do not open the lid.
As soon as the dough reaches the desired height, start baking.

Following the results of the second baking, we make changes to your program
and in the future, for this batch of flour and yeast, everything will be fine.
Success!

Well, here I am to you))) Before that, I did not bake anything at all and nowhere, that is, charlotte is the peak of my relationship with flour)))
Yesterday I tried to bake according to the recipe from here - simple bread for Bork - I did not interfere with the process at all, only peeped - the bread turned out not bad, but not ah, it crumbled, the top crust is lighter, there are pockets with flour on the sides (how to avoid?)

here is the first bread


Today I made a recipe from a book - in my opinion it did not work ... since the bun was a fig - I did not really understand how to add the ingredients and which ones when it is not a bun that turns out but putty)) Still baking - let's see what happens ...

Dear Bork x800 owners! Help with choosing a stove! I choose between Panasonic 2502 and Bork X800. Bork attracts programming. But on the other hand, this will be my first HP. And do I need this programming, won't it complicate the operation? Tell me, do you use the mode programming function for what and how often? Or do you have enough of those modes that are in the bread maker? What are the pluses and minuses compared to others you see in your HP (excluding the price)?

Hello!

I read several reviews about Bork X800 and could not resist! : girl_skakalka: I registered on a reputable site to also describe my experience ... and he is quite rich HIHI

And so, starting from September, I managed to try 4 bread machines!
It all started with the fact that my husband and I came for other household appliances, but when we saw the bread makers, we could not resist. I am not a supporter of rash purchases, but emotions have done their job. We bought Bork X500, yielding to the seller's persuasion. I bribed the ability to program my recipes. They brought it home, baked it - the bread turned out to be very good, but the cockroaches in my head did not calm down, and I began to deeply study this topic ...
I came to the conclusion that we were screwed by buying such an expensive stove, and I decided to exchange it, thanks to the store employees who went to meet us!
Which one to take? Since paying that kind of money, then at least let them be extra. functions.

We stopped at Moulinex, which bakes baguettes and ciabbats. What can I say ... there was some disappointment, next to Bork, Moulinex gave the impression of an absolute hack, as far as the quality of performance is concerned. Cheap buttons, terrible noise for the whole apartment (not small). The baguette fixtures were all skewed after the first baking, which made it impossible to put the protrusions. But the stove turned out to be very powerful, it kneaded the dough perfectly, baked well. True, the bread turned out to be a little denser, not so airy. By the way, I started to bake basic white bread according to the recipe for Bork X500, we liked it more. Overall, I was satisfied. BUT! after 3 months it broke down. Not subject to repair.

To choose a new one again ... To take the same one? And suddenly it breaks again. Again Bork X500, what if you can take it for less money, and it won't be worse?

So we decided to do so, took Mulinex OW310E30. Visually in quality, it seemed even more solid than the previous Moulinex, which is twice as expensive. Satisfied went to bake bread, and what do you think ... the sole turned out !!! The recipe is all the same, to Bork X500, the ingredients are the same (both the manufacturer and the quantity), but the bread is absolutely NOT the same !!!! And she didn't knead the dough. I began to tear my hair out of frustration! : crazy: It was awful to go ask the store again for us to change, but we did it!

Now I am the happy owner of the Bork X800 bread machine!
Of course, when we came from the store with her, the mood was at zero. We thought, why so expensive, probably it’s not worth it. It was already nightfall, put the bread on hold, and went to bed. In the morning I took out my bread, all according to the same recipe…. and my admiration knew no bounds !!!!!!!! : wow: It's just a miracle! : swoon: This cannot be compared even with bread from store bakeries with a bunch of flavor enhancers, leavening agents, flavors and other chemicals. My loaf is like a whipped pillow! This is truly handmade bread! (y) Believe me, I am very critical, and I do not like to pay money just like that. 8) In the store, I immediately said that if we do not like it, we will bring it back. I will not even talk about her other navaroty, for example, the super-whisk that does not break the loaf when you pull it out. One can argue endlessly about the need for these functions, but it's just nice that they are. I will not talk about design, taste and color, as they say ... I compare only the most important thing - the quality of baked bread!

All things being equal, the bread baked in Bork X800 is superior in quality to all other bread makers I have tested!

So I congratulate all the owners of this particular bread machine! It costs this money one hundred percent, do not hesitate!
Many times I have been convinced that the disappointment of poor quality lasts much longer than the joy of a low price.
Good things are expensive!

Lady-drug, and there was nothing else in the store except Bork and Moulinex?