Help with choosing a bread maker

[AntaKa]

AntaKa, Antonina, it happens. I have a sister in Crimea, when I was looking for Panasonic, they also barely found it, and then, in my opinion, they were waiting for delivery. This is a purchase for many years, so you have to wait. And before NG, they always disassemble high-quality equipment.

Today my husband toured all the shops in the city and did not find a single Panasonic. 🙁

on ozone order, quickly deliver

[AntaKa]

AntaKa, it is better to wait a little and then enjoy, than to hurry up and then not get the desired result

I went to Ozone. 2511 for 10 290 rubles. One remained. Everything was taken apart.

I have Panasonic 2502-plows DAILY for the 5th year. I'm not overjoyed! Never let me down, my hard worker!

I have a Panasonic 2502

And I am very happy! Not daily, but 3-4 times a week works. For 4 years

truncated .. allowed Panasonic to get out of the bushes
Not .. well, for the sake of objectivity, against Panasonic only its non-budgetary price.
And so a wonderful automatic stove. Delicious hassle-free bread on the machine.
If you are not intimidated by the price, you really want a hassle-free easy-to-use oven with bread, the taste of which suits everyone without dancing with tambourines, be patient and buy a Panasonic.

Yes, in the subject and in Alaska with supra, they bake very tasty bread. But Alaska has been working for one for 4 years, and for the other two it is buggy from the first day and after a year the bucket flies out. That is, a game of roulette: if you are lucky with a model, you will not be lucky. The same picture is with Redmont. Some are delighted, others spit. Because again, luck is not lucky.
The quality issue is very relevant for other models, even very expensive ones. There are expensive borers with kenwoods, too, many quickly break down with heavy use. Yes, even so tricky, their programs start to fail. You won't immediately understand whether the products are to blame, or the stove.

[AntaKa]

AntaKa, Antonina, it happens. I have a sister in Crimea, when I was looking for Panasonic, they also barely found it, and then, in my opinion, they were waiting for delivery. This is a purchase for many years, so you have to wait. And before NG, they always disassemble high-quality equipment.

Yes, of course, I'll wait. It was just such a hunt right now! 😃

on ozone order, quickly deliver

Thank you, we will think

AntaKa, it is better to wait a little and then enjoy than hurry up and then not get the desired result

Your truth!

I went to Ozone. 2511 for 10 290 rubles. One remained. Everything was taken apart.

Whoa! What's the demand? 😮

I have Panasonic 2502-plowing DAILY for the 5th year. I'm not overjoyed! Never let me down, my hard worker!

Here I also looked like this. And also in a metal case

truncated .. allowed Panasonic to get out of the bushes
Not .. well, for the sake of objectivity, against Panasonic only its non-budgetary price.
And so a wonderful automatic stove. Delicious hassle-free bread on the machine.
If you are not intimidated by the price, you really want a hassle-free easy-to-use oven with bread, the taste of which suits everyone without dancing with tambourines, be patient and buy a Panasonic.

Yes, in the subject and in Alaska with supra, they bake delicious bread. But Alaska has been working for one for 4 years, and for the other two it is buggy from the first day and after a year the bucket flies out. That is, a game of roulette: if you are lucky with a model, you will not be lucky. The same picture is with Redmont. Some are delighted, others spit. Because, again, luck is not lucky.
The quality issue is very relevant for other models, even very expensive ones. There are expensive borers with kenwoods, too, many quickly break down with heavy use.Yes, even so tricky, their programs start to fail. You won't immediately understand whether the products are to blame, or the stove.

Yes, the choice was made on Panas. But the model has not yet been decided.

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the Panasiks are simple. New domestic models duplicate previous programs and add new ones. The newer the model, the more programs. Always in the lineup !!! three models 2510 - no rye bread and no dispensers, 2511 - there is rye bread and there is a dispenser for additives, 2512 - two dispensers: for additives and yeast, rye bread, usually steel design.
Otherwise, one line is identical.

Likewise with the previous line: 2500 - no rye, 2501- dispenser + rye, 2502- 2 dispensers + rye, steel design. But in this previous line there are two less programs. There is no low-yeast regime and bread with a layer.
Foreign models have a wide variety of programs. If there is an opportunity to find a foreign one with brioches, sandwiches and others, then the flour of choice will intensify.

In Panasik, you can do fine without dispensers. A dispenser for additives - some convenience until it breaks down - dispensers are a weak point at the stove, a yeast dispenser is generally not for everyone, it works loudly on all programs and at night it is very annoying for many.

We will tell you any details in the topic on Panasonic. Also there are already ready comparative plates according to the range of stoves.
Pay attention to the very necessary information right in the topic header
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)

In Panasik, you can do fine without dispensers. Supplement dispenser - some convenience until it breaks - dispensers are a weak point at the stove

Another drawback - if the bread rises high, then the open dispenser interferes ((it does not close itself later

if the bread rises high

I struggle with this - I reduce the yeast. If the bread rises high, in my opinion, the crumb becomes "Nothing withstanding", too leaky, crushing and weightless. But, I bake bread with 500 grams of flour, I don't bake any more ...

but actually all programs with a dispenser are duplicated by programs without a dispenser. Well, put additives on them manually and the dispenser will not open. So the additive dispenser is an added convenience anyway.

Panasikov everything is simple. New domestic models duplicate previous programs and add new ones. The newer the model, the more programs. Always in the lineup !!! three models 2510 - no rye bread and no dispensers, 2511 - there is rye bread and there is an additive dispenser, 2512 - two dispensers: for additives and yeast, rye bread is usually steel design.
Otherwise, one line is identical.

The same with the previous line: 2500 - no rye, 2501- dispenser + rye, 2502- 2 dispensers + rye, steel design. But in this previous line there are two less programs. There is no low-yeast regime and bread with a layer.
Foreign models have a wide variety of programs. If there is an opportunity to find a foreign one with brioches, sandwiches and other things, then the flour of choice will intensify.

In Panasik, you can do fine without dispensers. A dispenser for additives - some convenience until it breaks - dispensers are a weak point at the stove, a yeast dispenser is generally not for everyone, it works loudly on all programs and at night it is very annoying for many.

We will tell you any details in the topic on Panasonic. There are also ready-made comparative plates for the range of stoves.
Pay attention to the very necessary information right in the topic header
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4)

Thank you! The choice was on the model 2501. Tomorrow my new stove should arrive



Many thanks to all members of the forum who helped to decide on the choice of the HP model! We ordered a Panasonic 2501, the order should come tomorrow.
I hope that the new xn won't disappoint me. If you have any questions or difficulties, I will come to you again for advice, recipes and help.
Thanks for your responsiveness.

if already paid, congratulations on your purchase. If it has not been paid yet and there is an opportunity to hesitate in the choice, then why not 2511? there is a brand new low-yeast regime, such a honey.
Of course, you can perfectly do without it the old fashioned way, but it's better with it.

again they will squeal that we are imposing our machine, the Panasikov aggressors

CHO you are so disrespectful. And you so confidently write negatively about technical. the capabilities of other brands, which is not entirely correct.

[Svetlana Mazqarovna]

Svetlana Mazqarovna,

Since I am a "deep" owner of only two brands HP Brand and Panasika, then I can really only give an objective description of them. Brand is very flexible programmable, the best for me among Redmont, Kenwood and others. FOR ME. Brand is out of production and will be covered with a copper basin at any time. I monitor the market of programmable machines FOR MYSELF and write about MY own considerations.
For a short time, I personally had Alaska with a ricochet, and I tried to restore oil seals from LG and cartoons from friends. Wore a couple of redmont to repair with relatives among pensioners.
Choosing a stove for myself, I shoveled a bunch of topics in our forum very carefully. Made a definite opinion FOR YOURSELF.

I DO NOT FORCE any decisions on you. I always try to bring argumentswhy I think so and not otherwise. You can accept my point of view or not. For those who have MY taste, my thoughts can be helpful in choosing a technique that will not disappoint them.
I do not pretend for more.

By the way, I do not write badly about technical capabilities. I only speak badly about the build quality of all stoves, except for Panasik. Alas, this is reality. I believe that the forum is read by manufacturers. And, perhaps, they will listen and after some time in Russia there will be high-quality inexpensive domestic stoves a la Panasonic. With a bucket knot and a bucket that serves several times every day for ten years without complaints.
And the technical capabilities are just fantastic, but not always, not every model.

[fffuntic]

fffuntic, well, be more correct. You do not impose on me, because I did not ask you for advice, but you impose on others

why not 2511?

... And the impression that you work for Panasonic.

and I explained why. A man is buying a stove right now. I'm trying to warn you that there are two fewer nice programs in 2501. Moreover, if bread with a filling in my eyes is not a big loss, then a low-yeast mode is a sweetheart !!!, although you can do without it
Why honey? Yes, ask me in the profile topic, I'll put it on the shelves

"And the impression that you work for Panasonic". And you get Panasia and you yourself will also make the same impression

[Svetlana Mazqarovna]

And the impression that you work for Panasonic

Svetlana Mazqarovna, do you have a stove that you are absolutely happy with? We have - this is Panasonic. I don't know of any other stove where users could honestly say that it is perfect.

I had a programmable one for 250 euros. I got rid of it. I don't play these lotteries anymore. Panas will release a programmable one, which means I will have it. No, then it won't.

I regularly "wool" all the European Amazons for new hp. It is also useful because there are adequate reviews, especially from the Germans. They are very pragmatic. The Panasiks have the highest ratings.

[specific]

I understand that only panasiku praises sound quite insulting and impudent when people have other brands in which they bake very tasty bread.
Quite right, great bread comes from a bunch of other machines. In other machines there are a lot of programs, there is HP-multi.
However, here is the topic of choosing HP depending on the request.
If you take to the village without service, then this is one thing. It is better to take a machine that has the lowest percentage of breakdowns.
If you bake for the holidays and baking, then any machine that you like in design and that there are programs with rolls will do.
If you make sourdough bread, at low temperatures and for a very long time - whether you like it or not, you need a very flexible programmable machine.

Now the question is about the workhorse itself for a long time with intensive use. Therefore, in this specific In the case of the praises of Panasonic is very justified.


By the way, about interesting models.
I myself am now closely following this topic.
Multicooker MX11 "Breeze" with the function of a bread maker and a kneader
The machine sunk into my heart.
But it's too early to talk about it, although the bread there is also very tasty, the machine was bought by our owner Panasika, she compares, the functionality is superb. But in matters of durability - a pig in a poke.

I have Moulinex categorical fu. The coverage began to go around after 2 months. The crust is not very good, the roof of the bread is falling. Plastic turned yellow

[Ketsal]

Ketsal, Olga,

Well, mulka has its own subtleties. Theoretically, any machine can be handled, but you have to move extra. Perhaps you need to look at the longest of all the provided programs and use it as the main one. There are cartoons where the main program is too short and the proofing is small, the bread is always low.
The bucket and spatula should be constantly lubricated with universal grease, and not wait until they are completely covered. It is better to bookmark products as in Panasika: dry at the bottom, - the oil seal will not leak longer. (My brand bucket is generally "Chinese" "in Chinese" in the worst sense, but with the help of lubricant I keep it tolerable)
Unfortunately, I don’t know your model, sometimes there are very shortened programs, but you can also cope with them with the help of additional movements. For example, use pre-mix or obligatory sour milk as an improver.
If there is a window, then cover it for a better crust. I have a foil screen for these matters

[fffuntic]

fffuntic, thanks, I'll try. Mom lg has twenty years (one of the first) bucket to this day like new, baked super! Now the brains began to cover themselves - in French, bread does not interfere ((((. And I like the shape of the ski more - the bucket is square in cross-section and high. I really liked the bread)

My friends have only one complaint about the ski: the oil seal leaks in a year or two .. Although I suggested changing the kneading system to a dry Panasonic one, maybe the problem would have completely gone away. But people strictly follow the instructions.
And the stove itself is up to the ears.

I have a mulunex with a large window. Because of which I adjusted the bolts, my crust on the bread is white. Although it's dark

[Irina]

Irina,

well, with a window, who gets out how. Rugs-towels on top of the lid + a heat-reflecting foil screen in several layers inside, try. It is better to choose the thickest foil. Direct the shiny surface towards the bucket. Design like an extra screen cover inside. Just do not forget to make holes in it where the heat exchange is intended. With your hand on the pastry, move around the lid and see if there is any leakage outside the required technical holes. White crust - insufficient heat on top. Sometimes it's sad - the defect in the location of the shade, much lower than the bucket, and sometimes, to our delight, you can insulate and everything becomes normal. Sometimes it helps, if not only to insulate it on top, but to hold a screen over the top of the bucket. Find out the main cold spots on top and insulate.
In fact, heat loss begins not only from the top, but starting from the bottom of the shade))), it all depends on the body of the machine. You can also use foil to run the enclosure around the bucket, again with the shiny side facing the bucket.
Try it. Suddenly curb the stove. I understand that you have already turned the sensor
By the way, I came across a case when a particular service helped. They actually corrected the position of the sensor, as I understood it, the ten began to fry harder, the heat began to suffice. The sensor sets a lot. Therefore, a fig knows, maybe if you turn to the service, there will also be a way out, and the most effective one. But first, you should name the model so that it is useless not to carry.

If I buy Panasonic ... I don’t even remember

[amateur goth]

amateur goth, and me too!
I had three bread makers - the first two were inexpensive, unpretentious. The first baby made me very happy, but worked for a year and ... did not join anymore, they did not take her to the service. The second hell relatively good bread. Well, I thought so.Until the moment when an old Panasonic fell into my hands. That's when I realized how gorgeous bread can be in a bread maker. But now I don't have it for reasons beyond my control. When the opportunity presents itself, I will buy the same Panasonic on Avito, I will not even think about others.

Mom had two LG things (a bucket leaked), and I don't remember what it was called, lg had gorgeous bread. And when I bought myself, there were only Mulunex ...

There is another important parameter. In many stoves, the cooking time is 3-plus hours (only for this DEXP scolded its own, the bread does not have time to rise normally), but I used to have a Phillips stove, bought after repair, the cooking time was more than 4 hours. What a bread it was! All the same, proofing is important!

But as initially it got burned out for repairs, so it eventually burned out. I mean, I'm not suggesting to run after the filipk. Each has his own stove.

Mom had two LG things (a bucket leaked), and I don't remember what it was called, lg had gorgeous bread. And when I bought myself, there were only Mulunex ...

It was the same with the first LG, the bucket was leaking. And the bread was good.

And Mulinex works at the dacha, after a heap of repairs. Once a week in the summer it withstands the load.

Please help me choose a bread maker.
Requirements:
1. Reliable
2. The maximum number of programs (rye, whole grain, baguette, dough for pizza and dumplings, yogurt, etc.), something like Redmond RBM-M1919.
3. The presence of a dispenser.
Price and size don't matter.
Thank you!

If the price and size does not matter, then take Panasonic.

There is no baguette in Panasonic, if I'm not mistaken.

And there is no yogurt in Panasika either. You can try at the service, but there is no time limit

Panasonic.



Panasonic

Although there is no baguette in Panasonic, it works without jambs (I have already had 8 years, if not more).

[Marpl]

I'm already afraid to start singing odes to Panasonic. Suddenly again now they will be accused of marketing this brand

But I completely agree with Marpl, Marina

It's just that you need to decide what you actually need ...
- if RELIABLE cotton - then Panasonic, and you can bake baguettes in the oven from dough on tins
- if the baguette is exactly in x / p - then it seems that the mulinexes do this
- and if there is also yogurt, then it’s probably better to look to the side or the breeze (we recently discussed it here - a multi-cooker-dough mixer) or multi-bodies
bread maker with baguettes + yogurt ... well, I don't know ... It's easier then a dough mixer + a slow cooker + a regular oven.

Why blame marketing? When they ask for advice, they answer, and let the questioner decide for himself what he needs. There is just a lot of HP and everyone can choose according to their taste and needs. I myself resisted the acquisition of HP for a long time, but then I chose Panasonic and completely forgot the taste of the purchased bread. But over time, bread began to stick to the bowl, the new bowl costs almost like a new HP. I started looking at new HPs, bought Orson, but the size of the bread there is too small for our family, and it bakes normally. Then I bought Gemlux, bread like in Panasonic, there is a dispenser (but it is needed for those who like different additives in bread). So far there are no complaints about it, but I do not know, it will work as long as Panasonic. Therefore, this is a very correct marketing, they offer hassle-free HP (although in any brand there are jumbled copies). No other HP can boast of such a long work, but only Panasonic. Mine is still in working order, but I'm too lazy to lubricate the form.

[Ana1]

So, everyone should be silent. Since we have a Rockefeller relative here, then Ana1,
just look what kind of bloated honey has appeared this season. There is no such second stove. She imitates oven... She is a Panasonic. She is a beauty, she has wonderful programs without baguettes. All bread can be made there like a baguette, but not in other ovens. There are only slightly similar pastries in some mulekas, but the taste of bread there is not Panasonic.
It stands like a helicopter, but IN FACT SHE IS EXCLUSIVE
And the whole Panasonic crowd can no longer sleep, suffers, sighs, dreams of her - only the price bites terribly. And so I want to see reviews on an expensive forum. I suspect that they will be very laudatory, and we will be completely upset with white envy
Panasonic-SD-ZP2000-Croustina - Queen HP with 18 programs from Panasonic

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Amazon is already moaning in delight, but we still have few buyers, because it costs 30 pieces now in the technopark, and 23 pieces are announced on the official website, but they don't sell it there.

ps. suddenly wake up any owner of the panasik, and even in a semi-conscious state, he quietly babbles: krustina, oh ... krustina

And you have a chance to make this dream YOURSELF

Although there is no baguette in Panasonic, it works without jambs (I have already had 8 years, if not more).

Why are there 8 years, mine has already turned 12 and while everything is baking for a five. Marina, and I grease it with a nonstick, too, the bucket has worn out over the years. Imagine, I'm not even lazy. Here she taught her neighbor to use a bread maker, she had Mulinex, the bread turned out to be different, did not impress.

Yes, an interesting novelty, but the price ... We will bake crispy bread in a conventional oven. In the description, it is not clear what size the bread is obtained.

In the description, it is not clear what size the bread is obtained.

Bread maker SD-ZP2000
bread size [main] - width (approx. mm) 150
bread size [main] - height (approx. mm) 110
Target Bread Size [Basic] - Depth (approx. Mm) 190
A source:

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Earlier in the instructions for HP there were 500,750 and up to 1500 g, but now everything is in cm.

[Marpl]

Marpl, Marina, yes, on all sites only such data were found (possibly due to the new oval shape of the finished bread), if by weight, then by about 500 g, since the tab of ingredients for size M is 400 g of flour and 260 g of water, for example:

Ilona, ​​I also looked at different sites and also realized that the loaf is small. It is one-on-one, as if baking Borodino bread from a mixture in a bag.

small loaf

... In general, I am the owner of a Panasonic bread machine, but I don’t dream of this model, ours is more than satisfied in all respects.

In general, I am the owner of a Panasonic bread machine, but I don’t dream of this model, ours is more than satisfied in all respects.

My millions of pluses. The new one will not be better, according to my illogical feelings - premonitions, it will be much inferior to the old models. But they will still release a new one, and the old ones will be removed from production. All marketing textbooks describe this as how a super reliable star is deliberately banished as it reduces sales and becomes a drag. It is not profitable to make a super reliable, long-lasting model. It is necessary that the buyer chases after each new stove, as if it is getting closer and closer to the phantom ideal. Eh, how many good things have been deliberately ditched for the sake of current and perceived benefit.

[revolution]

yes, there is only 400 g of the minimum, and 500 g of flour maximum, but 600 g of flour is no longer possible.

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for 30 pieces, I can't dream of this
BUT there should be a crumb to taste like in the oven, and crusts like hearth bread baked on a stone. Declared there revolution, actually.
Two types of baking: with a soft crust, airy like all HP, that is, the old version
and
hearth type, denser and crispy, like in the oven. Everyone who squealed: I like to bake in the oven, should, according to promises, reconsider their delusions Full automatic baking of bread AS IN THE OVEN is promised.



So far I see 700 watts of power for better baking and an engineering solution for improved air exchange. I do not share the opinion that it will be worse, which is confirmed by reviews on the Amazon from satisfied owners.
But, alas, be it a hundred times better, I simply cannot afford such a stove. But someone can afford the pleasure of getting a novelty from their favorite manufacturer.




By the way, I also reassured myself and did not want to immediately believe that everything stated could be true. BUT there are already examples of cartoons.But only here are the quality baked goods, as always in Panasonic. The bread will be delicious.
Look, in cartoons
New models of bread maker from Panasonic # 68

therefore, without begging the dignity of the past Panasik stoves, and the desire for this expensive toy to be unnecessary, most likely the declared will be fully fulfilled. And the stove will greatly delight someone.



Probably, over time, other manufacturers will catch up.At least it remains to be hoped

[Alevtina]

New won't be better

it all depends on taste preferences and the need for a crispy top crust for bread, for us, for example, this characteristic is not important, as well as on the total volumes for kneading dough and baking bread.

All marketing textbooks describe this as how a super reliable star is deliberately banished as it reduces sales and becomes a drag. It's not profitable to make a super reliable, long-lasting model.

Alevtinayes, right, but marketing is usually tied to the overall philosophy of the brand, and if we talk about Panasonic, they are for consumer-oriented improvements without losing the reliability of the technical characteristics. And they would rather make a qualitative update of the previous model than bring an imperfect new model to the market. Basically, if abstractly from the brand, then consumers are guided to a good basic (relatively new, but not the latest) model at an average price or slightly above the average price level, since they are already known and will not be included in the line of outdated equipment for quite a long time ...