Help with choosing a bread machine

[fancy]

I just wanted to write that there is a unique honey: Japanese hitacchi, and you know that without me.
But this is the only stove that really competes in the quality of panasiku baking.
The rest are flimsy, the rest, if they have a long mode, is the only one and, as a rule, for the test, and not as the main one.
Not ... I saw the bourgeoisie terribly expensive and very fancy ovens - the declared possibilities are like immediately at a bread maker-oven.
We do not have such on the forum, so there will be a complete pig in a poke.

In general, I also join the Panasik advice. This is the most hassle-free option available today. The rest are already as lucky with specific ... Can knead abruptly, can have merciless modes, even if long.
Polaris and Redmond are leaders in this. According to the instructions, some of them are just candy, but technologically they will either interrupt or overheat. Straight roulette - how lucky you are with a particular model.
Kenwoods with borks have one chic program for a generally long test, but for every day it is uncomfortable, and their main ones are shorter, more intense and hotter than panasik. And the bucket knot is weaker.
In my eyes, from what I hear - Panasik drives.

Earlier it was at least 5 years ago. I judge so far from reviews on other resources. I don't like the uncontested choice, I want to know which companies can be considered according to the parameters that I voiced earlier.

[Natalia]

Natalia,

go to the store and look inside the ovens. You will immediately see the difference in the bucket node. Even visually, you will immediately distinguish Panasik from everything else. This is immediately your answer to the question of what is the most problem-free in terms of breakdowns today.
The design may be prettier, the aluminum is lighter, but the knot itself - well .. in general, go and see.
It's more difficult with programs and design. In a simple case, you will immediately understand from the program table how much you are dealing with LG, and not Hitacchi))))
In a difficult case, such as polaris, according to the table, the modes are long, and there is programming, but in fact, how lucky you are with the purchase. Can overheat, interrupt, and so on. Their quality walks a lot or quickly begins to walk during operation.

In general, what has been announced on our forum fits what is written below. Up to your hitacchi fancy Kenwood, like the moon. Although there, too, you can get a decent result for a skilled person. His home regime is long and wonderful, but he is the only such regime there.
Panasik rules for the quality of baking and for the duration of operation.
In the best case, other stoves can easily reach, but in no case outdid.
We did not try any expensive charms from the bourgeoisie. Maybe there is something cooler than Panasika.

How can I tell you. This is not the first time you will be with HP. You are essentially handle any stove more or less. But, if by quality bread and ease of use, you want to get closer to hitacchi, then for you there is no alternative to Panasonic.
To be honest, the main bread mode of hitacchi is generally the only one unique. I do not know of such a hitacchi on the domestic market, before I would have called the programmable modes a brand, but now it has also been discontinued.
In Panasonic, you can simulate a la hitacchi, while in other stoves it is much more difficult, if not impossible. Panasonic also has a gentle kneading and gentle fermentation in everyday programs.

Clear. I had Hitachi for a very long time, but when it broke down, they stopped delivering spare parts to us. I could not repair it.LG worked for 8 years, the bearing flew, but repairing it is tantamount to buying an inexpensive HP, and even then it is not a fact that it will last a long time with a new bucket. Lately, a lot of Chinese brand firms have come to the Russian market. I thought maybe there is something worthy among them. I have a Brand multicooker, so I'm not overjoyed at it, very successful. But I didn't have time to buy a bread maker from them.

[Natalia]

Natalia,

Well, Chinese to Chinese strife. There are Chinese consumer goods, when yes .. disposable. And there are factories in China with a normal brand with normal quality checks.
Panasonic in this regard, though Chinese, even though Taiwanese does not differ even today. The only thing is that everyone has a marriage percentage. Now, if you get into this percentage, then it's sad. But even here, immediately during operation I saw - the service strained and let them change.

Don't be too sad about the hp brand. The functionality is really fantastic, but the quality is tin. Tinplate both for assembly and for the coating of the mixing bucket.
They didn’t want to do a la Panasonic in terms of durability. The implication was that there would simply be excellent inexpensive service in the event of relatively frequent breakdowns, which is no longer there.
I blow off the dust particles and exploit a little bit only for the holidays, if something happens, only in the trash.
It is a pity that such a beautiful stove has ceased to exist. But today, without service with a really unsuccessful assembly and a bucket cover, it can no longer be considered. A brand with Panasonic build quality - that would be an absolute ideal - but this is from the realm of fantasy.

You yourself have already understood that the longer the cycle, the tastier the bread. Your hitachi had a long careful fermentation cycle, and another 45 minutes during kneading, a pause, which made it possible to make a chic kneading with any flour and make bread with high humidity, that is, more tender than what a conventional bread machine allows.

Now you can use the table to estimate the capabilities of any bread machine.
Pause ovens do not exist in our market at all. I have not met until now. In Panasonic we make this pause ourselves.
You can keep an eye on the long-term regime and hope that they did not give it up at 30 degrees of fermentation.
Ideally, a programmable mode is best. But for today I see only "quasi-programmable", that is, only the time is regulated, and the temperature cannot be selected.

Panasonic has the most delicate kneading, it is for our flour that fermentation is also low-temperature.
In other stoves, for example, in the same LG and mulk, the modes are intensely hotter and shorter, require strong flour. Therefore, the bread is different. Moreover, there it will greatly depend on the quality of the flour. The stronger the flour and specifically for HP, the better the result.
There is no such strong dependence in hitacchi and panas.

The girls praised Orson here, Binaton and all sorts of budget brands. Didn't look at new models. Maybe they put a program of normal duration there and improved the temperature control?
But only 2 out of 20 owners write about these stoves happily. Because the quality is walking. 2 of them are just lucky, lucky, and 18 - swear. These cheap Chinese counterparts are unstable.
Especially if you plan to drive the stove every day. I am generally silent about the fact that the bucket will fly out quickly.
The bucket is a weak point for everyone, except for Panasonic. Here's a weak one without options.
The coverage - well, the Kenwoods have normal coverage, the cheap ones will also cover like a brand. Everything starts to stick and come. Only with lubrication, dancing with a tambourine. There is little joy.

In general, if for every day and in the tail and in the mane, I choose Panasonic for myself. Although there is no programmable mode. There is standing, which is not necessary at times. But the pluses of Panasonic outweigh the pluses of other models.
I am sometimes attracted to the individual modes of brands with programming. At first glance, it seems like this is happiness.
But first, finding a programmable truly flexible mode is difficult.
Secondly, then those who bought do not receive the declared functionality - it is annoying. There is no technology for a workhorse - everyone is flimsy !!.In the best case, then two stoves are needed. One panasik for every day, and the second with a programmed mode for perversions with unusual recipes to be exploited rarely and carefully.

I will add that Panasonic has a secret non-logged service mode - the stove keeps the temperature at 40 degrees. It allows you to manually distribute the dough as much as you like, greatly expanding the capabilities of hp))), actively used for sourdough and rye breads, or when the electricity was temporarily turned off and the settings at the stove were lost.
Excellent quality single baking mode.
In general, there is something like "quasi-manual-a-la-primitive programmable".

Only expensive brands like Kenwood have excellent pastries. For the rest of the budget stoves, this function does not reach the Panasik.
So this additional opportunity, the best assembly for today, careful modes - this stove is the leader for active operation, whatever one may say.
If not every day and very carefully with the selection of ingredients of the best quality for HP, then I suppose you can experiment with Orson. Technically, gentle operation + strong and fast flour = success in so many HP. For example, the main programs of Kenwood require only this, too intense for regular flour. That is why there are so many complaints about this oven using ordinary flour.
I had hot Alaska, and nothing .. also baked tolerably, but not on flour from the nearest gateway.

In order not to offend anyone, I will add: everything that I write, of course, is a purely personal opinion. Although I try to argue for him



ps. I am also a fan of the entire Brand line. It is a pity that they are bent, in our market there is nothing like them at all now.

Maybe it's worth looking at binaton 2169, I was choosing between this hp and Panasonic, I read a lot of good things about it from reviews (while reading, they made a good discount on Panasonic, I bought it).

[lala2]

lala2, only Binaton is not for sale ...

Panasonic is also made in China, now it is not the same as it was before,

Panasonic made and makes its own HP at a factory in China, there is simply no other.

[fffuntic]

But first, finding a programmable truly flexible mode is difficult.
Secondly, then those who bought do not receive the declared functionality - it is annoying. There is no technology for a workhorse - everyone is flimsy !!. In the best case, then two stoves are needed. One panasik for every day, and the second with a program mode for perversions with unusual recipes to be exploited rarely and carefully.

I completely agree. After three years of baking, I decided to buy Panas's assistant - the Sana bakery. Everything sounded great in the description, but everything turned out for me personally exactly as I wrote fffuntic Lena ... She got rid of her and breathed out with relief.

I think that there is no alternative to Panasonic yet.

Panasonic has a secret non-logged service mode - the stove keeps the temperature of tens at 40 degrees.

That's how much I read, I can't understand what's so super-secret? I have simpler HP (combustion), there is a "yogurt" mode, you can set the time just under 40 ° C, like many other stoves and multicooker. Yes, it’s convenient to distribute.

I looked at Panasonic, its power is 550 W (versus 720 for Hitachi) is this power enough for embroidering dough with coarse flour? I almost always make bread with a mixture of rye and wheat.

[Natalia]

Natalia, This is the power of the heating element and not the engine. For reference, the first HP trendsetter was Panasonic.

Panasonic has a secret non-logged service mode - the stove keeps the temperature of tens at 40 degrees

That's how much I read, I can't understand what's so super-secret? I have simpler HP (combustion), there is a "yogurt" mode, you can set the time just under 40 ° C, like many other stoves and multicooker. Yes, it’s convenient to distribute.

There is no Yogurt or Proof / Rise program in the Panasonic Bread Maker that creative bakers would love to use.But it turned out that it is possible to maintain the cherished 38-40 * in the service mode. This is not a program for users, but a way of checking HP for repairmen. Therefore, they probably called it "secret"

In Panasonic for Europe, they began to make a sourdough program. That's where these 38-40 * are supported program as much as 24 hours. But this is only in one model and for Europe.

I looked at Panasonic, its power is 550 W (versus 720 for Hitachi)

Everything is excellent, I often bake with such flour.

[Breeze MX-11]

here is another dark horse mentioned that more Panas are used:

I bought myself a multicooker with a bread maker function Breeze MX-11., although there is a Panasonic-2500 bread maker. I wanted the bread to be not a brick, but in the form of a loaf. In Panas, I did not like that the top crust is as it were thinner than the sides and paler .. Brize I got everything I wanted!... I bake more in it than I cook, although it performs its functions by 5+.

But as always, the questions arise: how long will these ahs last? And what are the future statistics of failure during intensive operation of both the unit itself and the coating separately? How comfortable is communication with the service?

How critical is taste to the quality of any flour used? Otherwise, it can be tasty only while the flour is special.



I had a Breeze grinder for a long time. The only negative is that the knives could rust with grates without good lubrication drying. The unit itself was 200 percent satisfied, it still works, the design is thought out, it grinds meat with excellent quality.
Domestic plant with a long history
In general, at first glance, there may be an interesting "dark horse". I'll go look at the instructions



the functionality is just great. The multi-cook mode is just sweet. The baking temperature is 180 against 160 maximum for Panasik.
Temperature regulation 25-60, mixing options are also adjustable, there is an adjustable pause !!!!
There are interesting multi-modes.
If it works exactly as stated - a wonderful unit.

Unfortunately, you can only check the coverage and the terms of trouble-free operation over time.
Well, for now it is a "pig in a poke" in general.
Axion has never had increased durability in terms of consumables, I admit a very real idea that the coverage and quality of the bucket assembly will also be lower than Panasik, but their service is budgetary and affordable.

A very interesting "dark horse". Perhaps a really new player in our hp market. The possibilities are gorgeous. Now, as soon as my Brand breaks down, I know who I will change it to. The unit is very interested, I would love to test it.

[Spichka]

Spichka,
Take a closer look at inexpensive for the right weight.
As a rule, there are almost no differences from expensive ones in functionality, it will last 3-5 years, and normally, 4-5 times cheaper than Panas.
Supra has been feeding me for 4 years now, and it seems like there is nothing to complain about, I bought almost 5 times cheaper than Panas.

Breeze MX-11. Isn't Belarus an hour?

Supra has been feeding me for 4 years now, and it seems like there is nothing to complain about, I bought almost 5 times cheaper than Panas.

soon it will be 4 years, as you write about it)

Breeze MX-11. Isn't Belarus an hour?

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a domestic plant with a long history and well-known normal quality meat grinders and other household stuff.
That's why I got interested. Service, budget. They have a good technique, though it’s not exactly eternal.
The chances that the functionality will be maintained are high.
The only thing, I still believe that the assembly from Panasonic will be better. It's just that Izhevsk in terms of coverage was not ahead of the rest before.
But the Izhevsk model will be easy to change, for example, a bucket.

But then again .. a cat in a poke. An interesting cat for me, I would take if the question was to buy HP. This is exactly what I would investigate. But I admit that in terms of build quality, it can be much lower than Panasik. First of all, I'm interested in functionality, very flexible settings.

soon it will be 4 years, as you write about it)

AND? New people come to the forum.

[everyday]

Supra has been feeding me for 4 years now, and it seems like there is nothing to complain about, I bought almost 5 times cheaper than Panas.

yes they all feed. It's just that everything is learned in comparison. Now, if you used Panasik in parallel and compared both the quality of the bread and the ease of pulling it out of the bucket, then there would be no questions.
I had Alaska from the budget - I also baked, but that's just the taste of Panasik bread, even next to it, is not worth it.
You cannot compare if you only have one budget model. Then you everyday baking without problems with the quality of the bucket?

Lenochka, thanks.
I have not heard of them!
Yes, and in the turf, something pereklinit Internet!

[fffuntic]

fffuntic,
I have no problems with the quality of the pastries and dough, or with the bucket.
I took it for a "try" with at first thinking about Panas, but it suits absolutely everyone, and my colleagues appreciate bread better than that brought by a colleague with Panasonic.
Here, rather, the recipe and attitude influences.

AND? New people come to the forum.

So in the profile - the old woman 230 model, now for sure others are already, but if you take it, then the expensive Panas definitely don't see the point.

[if]

Well, if we talk about the brand, then there are, firstly, the only multi, which allow you to program up to 5 steps with full control of time and temperature. Moreover, these settings do not go astray and the set temperatures are really the same as required. Heating is uniform without jerking.
The same quality picture is in my HP.
This is the quality in programmed modes - to keep the given settings without jumps in temperature, time, smooth transitions from one temperature to another - try to find it in the units. At least Redmond with a polaris in this regard is categorically disappointed.

Panasonic has just such characteristics on auto programs. Breeze MX-11 is a complete pig in a poke. However, if it, like the brand, will withstand full functionality, then it will not be difficult to get tasty bread in it like in Panasonic.
But only if it is "if"will actually be observed during operation.
Now only one positive feedback and a good manufacturer.
Therefore, to write: here is a direct competitor to Panasonic - it's too early. But the model is interesting.




A citizen, and at one time I wanted to save money and bought a supra cartoon and a supra blender. For me, almost as it turned out. With supra and vitek, the relationship developed in a one-time manner.
They break too easily.
The cartoon was too sharp, it was indelicate. Despite a bunch of programs, I could not get away from the old slow panasik 18. The pastries in the new supra did not please me at all.
The quality of the rubbing in the blender was also far from Boshevsky, and it did not work for long)))
In general, this manufacturer did not impress me personally.

I have some kind of indestructible cheap Chinese hair dryer. I threw it into the water and overheated it - but it still works. Therefore, it is very likely that individual specimens of the supra can be fabulous. But I'm not sure that this is the whole party.

At the same time, manufacturers do not stand still. I fully admit that functionality is improving. If you study the stated features, you can look at a very decent model.
But what I'm almost sure of is that it won't be easy to run into a very high-quality copy.

If you do not need a tail and mane for every day, there is a wide choice. And if you need it often, often and without interruption, then Panasonic is a guarantee of this quality. Even the device of the mixer unit itself is more figurative not only for budget, even for Kenwoods.
The gasket around the pin is more likely to crumble there. The materials are worse.

I have ariet after Panasonic.
Very much satisfied with the quality of the Ariets. The only timer is missing. Even Ariet tastes better. Not everyone can buy a bread maker for 10 thousand. Maybe a person once a week or 2 will bake or even abandon it, or switch to the oven.
I sold Panasonic, because it’s painfully bulky for me and I rarely bake.

In terms of choosing HP - our main pleasure. If dear Panasia acts on her nerves at her own cost, then they should be taken care of and buy what you like more
I am writing below not in order to impose my opinion on someone, and certainly not for a dispute. Just thinking out loud.
I can't imagine how a shorter setting, that is, a shorter fermentation can give a richer, longer-tasting bread. This is theoretically impossible with, of course, the correct selection of the amount of ingredients. And since Panas Hitacchi has the longest mode of the main bread, in other CPs the auto mode is either the same or shorter, then theoretically there cannot be more saturated bread. It can be the same or simpler in saturation.
Another thing is the taste and color .... Just theoretically, by ear for taste, they just lengthen and even switch to sourdough, and do not shorten fermentation in baking (for wheat bread).
If you like a short auto program in supra or ariet more than a long one in panasica, then this is a very interesting effect. I would like to understand what caused this.

Ariet has 3 hours and 3 hours 40.
In ariet, there is simply no standing temperature before starting the batch. I just use warm water.
For a large company of bread lovers, of course, Panasonic is ideal, but our family no longer needs it.

I have a lot of all kinds of bread makers and I will say this in almost any bread that tastes good to me (I could not make friends with Polaris, even in manual mode, I don’t like that too), you can find a common language with all the others, something else the matter is that it is easier to find it with Panasonic, what is there to say this is my first hp and 1 my bread on the main program, according to the recipe from the instructions, turned out to be magical and beautiful, I had to tinker with other hp. Plus, of course, Panasonic's bucket is just magical, my hp is already 3.5 years old and inside there are practically no scratches, there are traces of sugar (salt), well, that's it.

I'll put in my 5 kopecks about standing and so on. I have a supra, I think I have to change it, she served me with faith and truth for 8 years. So for 5 years now I have been doing kneading, according to the mistletoe recipe, it seems, and then I put it on a delayed start. I get awesome bread in the morning.

[fffuntic]

fffuntic, Lena, you really interested me in this Breeze, I wanted to buy it and write a review here, but I can't find it on sale

interested in this Breeze, I wanted to buy it and write a review here, but I can't find it on sale

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BRIEF PRODUCT
The device provides

18 cooking programs using the methods of frying, boiling, baking, stewing, steaming and more.
14 programs for baking bread, including the “Multi-cook” function, will make it easy to cook: rye, Italian, sweet, French, gluten-free, milk bread, cake and aromatic jam, as well as knead the dough.
The program for selecting the weight of the finished product will allow you to cook pastries in the desired portions, and the function for selecting the crust color will select different roasting options.



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Yeah, I ordered, I'm waiting

Hello everyone! I have been reading this site for a long time as a guest, but now I have a choice of new xp. My old one served 8 years and ordered to live long. Now I am trying to understand the variety of models and functions. Most of all positive reviews about Panasonic. Can someone advise me on what to look for when buying?
PS My husband toured all the shops of the city today and did not find Panasonic in any of them. In general, we have a very meager choice for some reason. Apparently, you will have to order through the and-no store and wait. Eh, and so I wanted to bake bread on NG in a new hp.

[AntaKa]

AntaKa,
Take an inexpensive one for the required mass in the range of 3-3.5 tons.

Only not DEXP!

I would take Panasonic ...

Most positive reviews about Panasonic

About Panasonic and how we love them you can read in the topic
Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502, SD-2510, SD-2511, SD-2512 ... (4) # 7495

I have mulunex
I'm not happy with her ..

Can someone advise me on what to look for when buying?

1. Planned intensity of operation. The toughest quality-assured workhorse is purely Panasonic. If you buy in a remote village without service, then this stove will definitely not create problems there.
If the operation will be from case to case, then you can watch all other models. Other models have a weaker bucket assembly and may fail with the requirement to replace it. Therefore, pay attention at least visually to the build quality in the store. See the cover of the bucket and stirrers. Replacing a bucket is not a cheap pleasure, if after three months the bread starts to stick to it.
Other models provide a bunch of programs, flexible settings for your taste, just watch and choose which one you like best. In terms of functionality - a sea of ​​possibilities and all the tasty ones.
Everything only rests on quality during intensive operation and in point 2 below))), which can be covered with point 3.
At the same time, if branded ones guarantee quality for a while for a lot of money, then for very budget ones it depends on an individually purchased specific model. One and the same supra, or dexp- which was scolded from above, but it's not a fact that there is just a single unsuccessful stove , maybe you get a sweet candy for a very long time, or maybe such that from the first day you will suffer and curb you.
2. In the program labels, pay attention to the duration of the provided programs, especially those that are most attractive to you in terms of frequent use. The longer the modes are observed, the better - the bread tastes better. If there are only accelerated modes in the oven, your bread will be inferior to the taste of models with a longer fermentation.
3. If you plan to implement complex author's recipes and are not afraid to twist the handles of a typewriter, then pay attention to typewriters with programmable modes, where you can set the necessary program parameters yourself. In such models you can make your wildest dreams come true. BUT take a close look at the settings provided. Try to simulate the program you want in advance. Pay attention to the extent possible. The programming capabilities of all machines are also different.
4. If you buy old ones! models, then there used to be a problem with a light top crust in bread for some models with a window on top. Modern cars, in my opinion, got rid of this drawback, here I am not entirely aware.

Now in St. Petersburg on Avita Panasik, it looks new, for 3.5tyr

[Buttercup]

Buttercup, well, we have already tortured the people with our beloved Panasik, they will again squeal that we are imposing our machine, the Panasik aggressors
Let them choose according to their capabilities and budget. The most interesting thing is that if the operation is from time to time tender, then programmable models provide opportunities not lower than Panasik, or even simply fantastic. But as I pointed out, the problem is in the build quality and in the components. For Panasik it is guaranteed to be high, for these a priori it is lower and well, how lucky you are when buying

again they will squeal that we are imposing our machine, the Panasikov aggressors

Anyway, everyone chooses for himself, and the indignant ... both we and they have already made their choice. So I don’t understand these claims, we don’t force anyone, but I think it’s strange not to talk about a good stove either ... It’s worth pondering why there are so many Panasik fans, we weren’t taken out in an incubator

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila, Buttercup, I have a lot of bread makers, I like them, I think Panasonic is the most problem-free and easy to use, for me it was 1 stove, when I bought it did not bake bread and was on you with yeast dough, but it turned out my 1 bread according to the simple recipe itself from the instructions are just magical, for me it's just this stove with which you don't have to mess around, I had to tinker with my other stoves, find a common language, I found everyone except 1 hp.

[Svetlana]

Well, I'm actually tired of dodging flying sneakers, but I step forward a little more

Bread is so lively and complex that everything affects its quality: the intensity of the kneading, the temperature of the process, the amount and frequency of kneading.The automatic, that is, the pre-fixed, mode in the typewriter is the direct creation of its engineers. How do they, in this particular brand, see this process and plan the taste of the bread.

Therefore, cars are different, like paintings by different artists. The bread also tastes differently in the same recipe.
In programmable machines, there is a certain scope for our actions. Here we ourselves "draw" bread, depending on the freedoms provided in the settings. If there are many of these freedoms, then you can "draw" and Panasonic.
This will only be a copy, because the settings will still be different. For the course of the same mixer when mixing in Panasonic is its own, as in Kenwood, and in another machine. These are paintings by different artists. But when programming, you can "draw" a good copy, and without programming we have a strictly someone else's hard plan, depending on the purchased model.

We all praise Panasonic, because almost everyone is very happy with the bread made from it. Therefore, the army of fans of this machine on the forum is large. Higher than other car brands.

Programming is a separate issue, I repeat. But programming is different from programming. Opportunities for different brands are completely different in this regard. Then the quality of the settings during programming should be carried out as stated. That is, for example, the set temperature must really be kept without jumps. And even this is not always done.
So everything is complicated. The idea is to carefully study the model you like from all sides.


Svetlana,Sedneas the owner of many ovens, what can you say about the taste of each of them. How uncritical is the choice in this matter, if you adapt well to any purchased model?

Can someone advise me on what to look for when buying?

Here you first need to push off from your abilities. If you didn't work very much with the dough and you just want to fall asleep and after 4 hours got out delicious bread - definitely Panasonic) But if you know the dough, you can look at it to understand what is happening, whether something needs to be corrected, as well as if you want all sorts of experiments , then look here already by the abilities of HP. There are purely automatic machines, there are programming (changing the cooking time and temperature, different modes during baking).
I also had the first Panasonic. And I am very grateful to him for that. Yeast dough was very afraid. Since almost always the question - how much flour I need was answered - How much will it take. But the dough it can take and take) and it always turns out noodles)))))) But Panasonic helped to understand the dough. All his whims and tricks)) Now I have a Bosch combine and either an oven or a slow cooker (depending on my workload), and HP migrated to a friend, who is also full of zero dough)) but now she is reputed among friends as a superbaker)) And this ponason (SD-255) in March will be 12 years old .. and in no eye (foo foo)) works like a clock

what can you say about the taste of each of them.

You're right, everywhere it turns out differently.

[Lenochka]

Well, I'm actually tired of dodging flying sneakers

Lenochka, no need to dodge, catch and collect the collection, Know that we will always understand and read you Many things that I intuitively felt before, began to understand only thanks to you, I am not very good at reading such things in articles, and you will tell me in your own words it becomes clear, now I’m talking about threads and gluten. And if I had read our forum more carefully, then I wouldn’t have a second HP-Redmond, I would have bought a Panasik right away. Even if it cost less than 5 sput (there was a big discount, that's why it was coveted), but it's the same money, and now it's a pity to throw it out in the city, it's a worker and it's a shame to sell it, I can give it to someone here, but who is it good needed if it bakes badly

[AntaKa]

AntaKa,
Take an inexpensive one for the required mass in the range of 3-3.5 tons.

I need one that could work every day. I want a reliable one. I'm afraid that for 3-3.5 tons.will quickly fail.

Only not DEXP!

Thanks I will know! 😉

I would take Panasonic ...

I also tend to them after reading the reviews. But my husband today walked through all the shops of the city and did not meet a single Panasonic. Directly some kind of universal conspiracy😃 apparently have to be ordered through and-no and wait. And I wanted NG to meet already with a brand new hp



Thank you, read it!

I have mulunex
I'm not happy with her ..

What model? How quiet is it? What features?



Lena, Thank you for your detailed answer and advice.

Now in St. Petersburg on Avita Panasik, it looks new, for 3.5tyr

Peter is far from Crimea. ;-)

Here you first need to push off from your abilities. If you didn't work very much with the dough and you just want to fall asleep and after 4 hours got out delicious bread - definitely Panasonic) But if you know the dough, you can look at it to understand what is happening, whether something needs to be corrected, as well as if you want all sorts of experiments , then look here already by the abilities of HP. There are purely automatic machines, there are programming (changing the cooking time and temperature, different modes during baking).
I also had the first Panasonic. And I am very grateful to him for that. Yeast dough was very afraid. Since almost always the question - how much flour I need was answered - How much will it take. But the dough it can take and take) and it always turns out noodles)))))) But Panasonic helped to understand the dough. All his whims and tricks)) Now I have a Bosch combine and either an oven or a slow cooker (depending on my workload), and HP migrated to a friend, who is also full of zero dough)) but now she is reputed among friends as a superbaker)) And this ponason (SD-255) in March will be 12 years old .. and in no eye (foo foo)) works like a clock

Well, I'm not new to baking. I have had a simple xp for 8 years. In addition, I helped my mother and mother-in-law deal with their units - I managed to figure it out and teach them myself. So I want a reliable unit that will work for many years.

So I want a reliable unit that will work for many years.

Then Panasonic, here without options)))

Then Panasonic, here without options)))

Today my husband toured all the shops in the city and did not find a single Panasonic. 🙁