Dishwasher selection (1)

And here is my instruction to BOSH

Owners of Zanussi, tell me, please! I have been using the machine for 3 months now (sometimes every other day, sometimes every day), the rinse aid has already run out 2 times, but the salt indicator still has not blinked. The old typewriter had enough salt for less than a month, so I'm worried about the problem. Only one thing comes to mind - that the indicator does not work, and the car drives without salt, thereby harming itself. Or maybe the Zanussis are so thrifty?

lilian, do not worry, everything is fine with your machine, salt lasts for 3 months, and rinse aid for 1.5 months (and I fill in rinse aid no more than 2 caps), it's just that something in your old machine was wrong with salt.
lilian I have Bosch, but I think it doesn't matter which company all the cars work according to the same scheme.

And I have enough salt for a month, and the rinse aid ... probably for four months (I have never run out of it yet).
The salt is on the top five, and the rinse aid ... I'll take a look at home!

Thank you all very much for the clarification and the praise is really appropriate, he is special in Africa too ..... By the way, when I ordered this model for myself, I did not look that it was mechanical, but now I’m even glad, because I thought that it was all the same from voltage drops would have to be set. I generally wanted 65010, but it wasn’t there, there was model 63021 and 65040, I didn’t even think about the latter, but they advised me and I fell for it, God forbid, wait now, I also want to enjoy all the delights, especially since after repair and moving I have a lot of things to wash ....... then in a separate Temko I will drop a photo of my kitchen and all the bells and whistles that will live in it

Svetik_ how will you wait for your dishwasher, be sure to write your impressions of this machine. I've been on a very painful search for over a month now. I read the entire forum, many have Bosch and are happy to have chosen a simple Bosch SGS 53E02 EU for their money. But here in Odessa I can't find one, they say the old model is no longer produced. Now I re-read the last pages and decided to buy Veko. But I see this Electrolux fits into my budget (if only we sell it). Now I want to wait for feedback on how she washes. Thank you very much in advance

[krapivka]

krapivka yes, of course, no problem ... the main thing is to wait ... ..., as a victim, I went around all the shops, reviewed everything ... then I decided to just order through friends, it turned out much cheaper ....... but the order within 1-1.5 months. was, but I already have more than two leaves, because the first time a car with Electrolux arrived, but my model was not there .... I definitely wanted Electrolux ... I just looked at the ESF 63021 model, it is full-size .. ...... I looked into it ..... and so I liked it ...... so I decided to walk through the lineup ....... Beko didn't want to, either AEG or Electrolux

[Svetik_]

Svetik_ ,krapivka Here is food for thought about manufacturers 🔗
there is an experienced repairman on the forum Alexzz read his post
Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:46 pm
PS I ask members of the forum not to throw rotten tomatoes at me, "For what I bought, for what I sold"

[sazalexter]

sazalexter I myself work in a service center and I can confirm the same which brands are most often repaired, for washing machines it really is BEKO and LG and there is no longer a five-year warranty on BEKO, they took it off from June this year, freaks ..... someone liked and I like BEKO, it’s just like that ... just initially I just wanted reliable equipment .... I stopped at Electrolux, just Bosch prices are higher, not for me .... and narrow, I saw very few full-size models, I saw Ariston live and then ...they were selling a new one in our service, but I was already standing for three years at the dacha .... and I wanted something like that ....... and how I looked inside Electrolux .... now I liked the patient with them .... .. I will not find fault with BEKO just their attitude towards us ... just awful ... you should have seen in what kind of dead packages the spare parts are supplied, as if they were dancing on them and beaten against the wall, just a nightmare, not a single one the word "packaging" does not fit, just a pimp. I, too, when I started to throw my eyes on dishwashers ... I finished off my masters, which brands are better ... I received an unambiguous answer on Electrolux and Zanussi, I can even suggest a model ... 1040, in my opinion, she comes from a number of machines that are of high quality, here I have a washing machine for 8 years already, Indesit, but now what ??? it's just a nightmare, even the notorious Bosch breaks down like an infection, I'm just shocked, and spare parts come very quickly to LG and Samsung, it's nice to work, that's the way it is.
krapivka and you at the price take a closer look at the Zanussi 1040, it is very reliable .... they praise it and it costs just super ....... in the region of 3 thousand UAH

[sazalexter]

sazalexter yes, for God's sake, it's just that the further I work in the service center and I see ... that PEOPLE..... technology is now reliable NO, everything breaks down and flies ineptly, do not rush to throw out your ARDO, this is still those years ... it will still serve well, the maximum that the bearings or the pump will fly, well, maybe the ten can change ... so this is complete garbage ... and your car will still serve faithfully ... ... I also began to look closely at narrow Boshiks, assembly Germany, but there is definitely no guarantee ...

I apologize for the offtopic, but the Ardo washer lived with me for 10 years (it was repaired several times and moved 2 times), and was solemnly given to people, and Bosch took its place. The difference in washing has been checked so. : the mother-in-law, seeing the kimono washed in a new machine (karate uniform, which was used 3 times a week for a couple of years and washed the same amount) asked: Have you bought a new kimono? Therefore, I respect Bosch. And the Bosch dishwasher was also good - thanks to Svetik, the masters said that the car was excellent, but the problems were with the tap.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter
krapivka and you at the price take a closer look at the Zanussi 1040, it is very reliable .... they praise it and it costs just super ....... in the region of 3 thousand UAH

for some reason only a washing machine with this number opens

Today (by the way, on the advice of a specialist) I decided to experiment on my eyelid, threw a whole mountain on the top shelf and ..... everything was cleaned impeccably. By the way, an acquaintance also works (for almost 15 years !!!! in a service center), we arrived with our coffee machine and met him there, I immediately started tormenting him about the PMM, not saying what kind of one I had and what my surprise was, when he advised exactly Veko !!! I am not inclined to buy cheap equipment. That is why I am tormented that I bought an inexpensive one .... Now I want to change the washing machine (Zanussi, although it washes well) for a new Veko, which washes animal hair, I just need a narrow machine. I also liked the electrolux inside, but it has fewer programs, although it is much more expensive.

[krapivka]

krapivka Sorry, please ... I was so carried away by washing machines that I wrote you a Zanusski model, if it allows you a full-size one, then pay attention to ESF 63021, I courted it at first, and almost bought it, the price for it is 4269 UAH. was, and then when I asked about other models, it was cheaper and more sophisticated at a price, so I agreed to ESF 65040, and after 63021, I wanted 65010, also cool. If you have acquaintances to bring cheaper, then you can safely choose from these models, and then I will unsubscribe ...
I also look closely at narrow Bosch washers, but they are mostly touch-sensitive, and they are, oh, how they burn (modules), so you need to choose further, but I'm in the right direction, maybe I'll give mine to my mother, otherwise she has a killer Nord that hears the whole staircase when she presses. I really wouldn't have pulled a Bosch dishwasher .... and there was no full-size dishwasher ...

[Hairpin!!]

Exactly !!! Girls who have compared detergents? What do you advise? I bought everything. what was in the store and .... frankly confused. And yet ... what is the difference between powder and tablets? (In quality)
Hairpin!!How do you? played enough ?? Do you like it or not? For the first time in 15 years my nails began to grow and not exfoliate.

Exactly !!! Girls who have compared detergents? What do you advise? I bought everything.what was in the store and .... frankly confused. And yet ... what is the difference between powder and tablets? (In quality)

I will not advise anything, I will just tell you how it was.
Having bought a typewriter, I immediately bought all the possible means that were only in the store. These are tablets (and 3 in 1 and "all in 1" ...) and powders. They were all Calgonite. My opinion was formed in the first month - all this is good, just something is more expensive, but something is cheaper. On the quick wash program, and for me it is only 35 * and 30 minutes, the tablet does not even have time to dissolve, it seems that it is not intended for this. Therefore, there is always a powder. As the pills ran out, I began to use the powder more and more often. Now I rarely buy pills.
I asked my friends, colleagues, neighbors, who washes what? They told me that they bought ARO at Metro - it washes badly. Somat - said stinks smells bad, but washes.
I bought Domol in DC. Washes very well. I like it. I bought it several times. Then I bought it at the market. What to say? It's good that a neighbor came in to ask if I had a little powder. I gave it to her. I bought it again in the DC store - excellent powder!
Yesterday it was not in the DC, I bought Calgonite. Again the powder.

And what kind of DC ???

We have a chain of stores called "DC". What that means, I don't know. There are shops for household chemicals and some cosmetics.
What I liked about Domol: packaging 2 kg., The price is exactly the same as 1 kg. powder Calgonite, consumption 20 gr. despite the fact that Kalgonite has been sold in Turkey for a long time, and its consumption is 40 gr. In general, a pack of 100 sinks. The inconvenience is a cardboard box. We have to pour into jars from Calgonite. In washing it is not inferior, the smell is neutral, the price is ridiculous, what else is needed? Only to be on sale.

I also have no idea how I did without her. Now I'm conducting an experiment .... I threw it into the machine nowhere else. I'll see .... launders la or not, 15 minutes left. Now I force my husband to set the counters, the benefit will be obvious. Do you have a meter and if so, did you feel the difference?

Good day. I'm going to get a dishwasher, I even looked after a few models. The kitchen is small, so I'm going to take a PM with a width of 45, that is, narrow. In such machines, mainly loading for 8-9 persons. And some have a half load function (wash in the upper basket). At first, I was sure exactly what I needed with a half load. But a friend who uses a dishwasher claims that this is an unnecessary function and an unnecessary waste of money.
Now I doubt it again. though she has a family of 3 people + a dog and they love to eat. And I have a family of 2 people.
I looked at the kandy machine. And it is not very expensive and there is this feature. If without half load, then indesit is inexpensive. Bosches and electric suites are a little expensive for me, I don't want to save up or borrow money.

Please advise if you need this half-load function. And what about the quality of the Candy and Indesite?

About Elenberg, I can say that my microwave oven lived for a little over a year, as soon as the warranty ran out and died

Please advise if you need this half-load function.

I have a half load and it works fine and I specially took a car with this function. If the dishes are not enough, then simply turn on one zone - the upper or lower one and less water is consumed and, accordingly, less electricity is consumed to heat it. This is where the savings come in. That is, if you overpay for a function when purchasing, then you can save money if necessary. How is your friend arguing that this is a useless function?

How is your friend arguing that this is a useless function?

the fact that she does not use this regime. Although he has it. He simply puts dirty dishes in the dishwasher, turns on the rinse or pre-wash mode (it is called differently) and so saves the dishes for several days. When it is full, then it washes the dishes.

it seems that with this use, detergents are saved, since rinsing is simply done with hot water.

the fact that she does not use this regime. Although he has it. He simply puts dirty dishes in the dishwasher, turns on the rinse or pre-wash mode (it is called differently) and so saves the dishes for several days. When it is full, then it washes the dishes.

it seems that with this use, detergents are saved, since rinsing is simply done with hot water.

To be honest, I don’t bother so much, there are dirty dishes, I wash them. For me, the accumulation of this dirty stuff is somehow not very pleasant and I prefer to save money, including detergents, when the machine is half loaded, because if there are not enough dishes, then you can add less powder.

zvezda I personally switched to Japanese detergents "Charmy" manufacturer Lion gel or powder for dishwashers, I am very happy, before that I used Domax and Crystalfix powder.

I have a dishwasher for the 4th year, Zanussi, the most ordinary, without bells and whistles, 45 cm.I'm happy with it, but I have nothing to compare with, no one has a PM with my friends. There is an opinion, like 10 years ago, about washing machines that it mischief, that the dishes must first be washed, etc.

If I took it now, I would definitely take it with a half load, even though there are four of us.

I use Somat whenever possible, somehow I like it better than Calgonite. Aro is really nonsense. But I gradually stopped using the rinse aid, I don’t even know why, I don’t see the difference. Maybe it will be seen if transparent dishes are washed? But Luminarc glasses are normal, not in drops.

There is an opinion, like 10 years ago about washing machines, that this is self-indulgence, that the dishes must be washed first, etc.

that's for sure. My husband has the same opinion that this is pampering and throwing money away. That his mother washes the dishes by hand and everyone washes the dishes by hand, so why do we need such a machine
I do not argue, maybe someone likes it, people say with the help of washing dishes nerves calm down
On the contrary, I have psychosis and it’s a pity to lose half an hour, it’s not clear why. So free time between work and sleep some 5 hours. And so on the house there for half an hour, here for half an hour and it's time to sleep. It seems that you live only to go to work and plow around the house

How is your friend arguing that this is a useless function?

I also have such a function and I used it once. Did not like. 1), according to my instructions, you need to pour the same amount of detergent, but I already wrote about saving water and elen 2) washing occurs only in the upper basket, and I have it constructively for glasses, cups, saucers, etc. The plates are placed normally only at the bottom. Please note this when purchasing. I have not seen a single instruction where it would be clearly written in which basket the half wash is going. If there was a choice of top-bottom or just bottom, it would be cool, but in the form as it is usually implemented
About the solution to this problem was already written somewhere at the beginning of this topic: it is better to drive a half-empty car, there is nothing wrong with that. And if you are an economical hostess and such an approach is unacceptable - take a look around, you can always find something to fill the holy place with: freshen up the festive service, the teapot with a vase on the shelf is dusty, the light from the chandelier, or, in extreme cases, filters from the hood (these in general, even though every day is mine, they are never clean).
I have been using the machine for six months and did not know why there was a round window on the rinse aid compartment, the instructions did not say anything about it. And nothing is visible in it. And then I read in the instructions for Whirlpool that the diameter of the dark spot there corresponds to the level of the rinse aid. I checked it - it really works! At first I looked at it with a full compartment to the eyeballs.

I also have such a function and I used it once. Did not like.1), according to my instructions, you need to pour the same amount of detergent, but I already wrote about saving water and elen 2) washing occurs only in the upper basket, and I have it constructively for glasses, cups, saucers, etc. The plates are placed normally only at the bottom. Please note this when purchasing. I have not seen a single instruction where it would be clearly written in which basket the half wash is going. If there was a choice of top-bottom or just bottom, it would be cool, but in the form as it is usually implemented (

I have a whirlpool just with a choice of a zone-upper or lower, so I don't see such difficulties. And I have it written in the instructions for it and select it with the buttons on the panel. So you can mark the instructions for the PPM Whirlpool model ADP 5966

that's for sure. My husband has the same opinion that this is pampering and throwing money away.

My husband did not shy away from washing the dishes, after dinner it was his duty, so we did not have any questions or disputes at all about buying PMM or not. Occupational therapy helps to solve this issue unambiguously!

We have a chain of stores called "DC". What that means, I don't know. There are shops for household chemicals and some cosmetics.
What I liked about Domol: packaging 2 kg., The price is exactly the same as 1 kg. powder Calgonite, consumption 20 gr. despite the fact that Kalgonite has been sold in Turkey for a long time, and its consumption is 40 gr. In general, a pack of 100 sinks. The inconvenience is a cardboard box. We have to pour into jars from Calgonite. In washing it is not inferior, the smell is neutral, the price is ridiculous, what else is needed? Only to be on sale.

I've also been washing my Calgonite (powder) for 5 years, and after reading the laudatory reviews about Domol, I decided to try it, BUT in our DC Domol in PE bags Vika, and who is the manufacturer on your cardboard box? Suddenly, Domol is already being forged!

We have a chain of stores called "DC". What that means, I don't know. There are shops for household chemicals and some cosmetics.
What I liked about Domol: packaging 2 kg., The price is exactly the same as 1 kg. powder Calgonite, consumption 20 gr. despite the fact that Kalgonite has been sold in Turkey for a long time, and its consumption is 40 gr. In general, a pack of 100 sinks. The inconvenience is a cardboard box. We have to pour into jars from Calgonite. In washing it is not inferior, the smell is neutral, the price is ridiculous, what else is needed? Only to be on sale.

I've also been washing my Calgonite (powder) for 5 years, and after reading the laudatory reviews about Domol, I decided to try it, BUT in our DC Domol in PE bags Vika, and who is the manufacturer on your cardboard box? Suddenly, Domol is already being forged!

The pack is like this

Detergent powder Domol is packaged in soft polyethylene packaging - 2 kg, and salt Domol - in a paper box, also 2 kg.

So it's ok, the quality is good and the cost is less. I've only been
Domol and buy.

My husband did not shy away from washing the dishes, after dinner it was his duty, so we did not have any questions or disputes at all about buying PMM or not. Occupational therapy helps to solve this issue unambiguously!

Super!!! I have cockroaches take away the dishes faster than he can wash them. Like it's female responsibilities
Here is an appeal to all housewives! Teach your sons to wash dishes from childhood. otherwise, those who do not even know from which side to approach the sink have no idea about the device of a vacuum cleaner, and can die of hunger locked in an apartment with a stove and a full refrigerator Do not make people pets

Sorry, I got distracted. Again, opinions were divided. Whirlpool in my city will be quite difficult to find, but I will take note.

, and I would advise you to read the forum on the refrigerator. ru, we used it to choose the refrigerator. Maybe there are still some good resources, but I don't know. And there you can ask a question, and local experts will advise you.

[Luysia]

Luysia , grand merci The next pack will be Domol.

Teach your sons to wash dishes from childhood. and then those grow up who don't even know which side to approach the sink from

And if we have a PMM? Anyway, let him wash the dishes, on principle? Maybe let him learn to understand better that he should provide a woman with a comfortable life in the kitchen as well? To do this, it is not at all necessary to be able to wash dishes, vacuum and cook. It is enough to finance the necessary devices to help your woman or even pay for the labor of people specially trained for this.

[k.alena]

k.alena , unfortunately, a person, until he tries something on himself, does not admit that it is difficult. Most men who do nothing around the house consider homework to be worthless. There is a cool poem by B. Zakhoder on this topic:

How easy it is to prepare dinner!
There is nothing difficult about this.
It's as easy as shelling pears:
It's time - and you're done!
(If mom prepares lunch.)
But it happens that there is no time for mom,
And we cook our own lunch,
And then
(I don’t understand what the secret is!)
Highly
Difficult
Prepare
Dinner.

I have a Whirlpool ADG 789 45cm, there is a half load, but this wash is not in 1 box, but simply less water is consumed. I often use it, although if it weren't, I wouldn't worry too much.

P.S. 8 programs, the price is like the cheapest Bosch. Using 3in1 tools - no, the beam on the floor - no.

Oh, maybe I'm going to ask something stupid now, but what is a "ray on the floor"?

[Luysia]

Luysia if we have a PMM? Anyway, let him wash the dishes, on principle? Maybe let him learn to understand better that he should provide a woman with a comfortable life in the kitchen as well? To do this, it is not at all necessary to be able to wash dishes, vacuum and cook. It is enough to finance the necessary devices to help your woman or even pay for the labor of people specially trained for this.

Then do not wash, but put in the machine, start it and take out clean dishes.
I believe that a person begins to have an idea of ​​some kind of work only after he tries to do it at least once. And many children, and even remember myself as a child, take everything that their mother does around the house as a given. And then such a person will not help to do household chores because he does not know how and does not want to delve into it and will not finance either. Because, as a rule, all work is done without their participation, they find it quite easy and enjoyable. Something like a female hobby I do not argue, washing dishes is not to carry bags. But routine is exhausting.

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"Ray on the floor" - during embedded PMM ray burning on the floor during her work to see whether she is working or not. It doesn't bother me that I don't have it. Firstly, it beeps after work, and secondly, in the crack you can see the button lit during operation, if you are really afraid that you missed the signal.

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I don't have that either. But I got used to it during the use, I roughly know how long the PMM works. And as a last resort, I'll drop by.

I have a half load and it works fine and I specially took a car with this function. If the dishes are not enough, then simply turn on one zone - the upper or lower one and less water is consumed and, accordingly, less electricity is consumed to heat it. This is where the savings come in.

I also really like this function and I consider it very necessary, at least for me personally. I also do not like to save up dishes, but I turned on a half and everything is fine.

[zvezda]

Now I'm conducting an experiment .... I threw it into the machine nowhere else. I'll see .... launders la or not, 15 minutes left.

zvezda
So what are the results of the experiment? Very interesting! I also had my eyes on BEKO.

Then do not wash, but put it in the machine, start it and take out clean dishes
I believe that a person begins to have an idea of ​​some kind of work only after he tries to do it at least once. And many children, and even remember myself as a child, take everything that their mother does around the house as a given.And then such a person will not help to do household chores because he does not know how and does not want to delve into it and will not finance either. Because, as a rule, all work is done without their participation, they find it quite easy and enjoyable. Something like a female hobby I do not argue, washing dishes is not to carry bags. But routine is exhausting.

Unloading the machine in the morning has been the duty of a 16-year-old son for some time, as well as clearing the table in the car after himself (as well as everyone else during a joint meal). But for my husband I always clean (in the sense that I don't clean myself), and I'm not offended. I believe that a person who is tired at work and who earns money from my assistants has the right not to delve into dishwashing. And I explain this to my son, why dad has the right to the dishes left on the table, but he does not. Although before moving from the old apartment, my husband wondered why we needed a car. Now, especially after the guests, he is wildly happy (for me) that everything is so simple.
And the quality of washing by machine and by hand is not comparable, but I have a fad.

Coming back to the Elenberg brand - my first dishwasher was Elenberg. I worked for 2 months, they said it was beyond repair. Now Zanussii. No worries, only she has already burned 2 mains filters for me. What does that mean, I wonder? I no longer leave her unattended.

[zvezda]

zvezda
So what are the results of the experiment? Very interesting! I also had my eyes on BEKO.

Not just happy but delighted with the puppy !!! I certainly have nothing to compare with, but Hairpin wrote that it does not wash silicone brushes, everything is fine with me. And yesterday I loaded it on top: a ladle with stuck pasta (I didn't scrub it off on purpose), a bowl after the egg-cheese mixture, a bowl after cream of cream, a mountain of coffee cups, and we only drink with milk, scrapers, scoops and a casserole dish .. ... and despite the fact that all this stood all day !!! Down, in addition to the plates, a greasy AG stand, there is also a bowl from Kenwood after minced meat, of course it stuck, and the form itself is 6.7 liters in volume. I laundered EVERYTHING !!! That's just what I won't say about soap ... I just got confused, that's why I ask for help, but definitely with a pill.

Every day I remember my Beko and regret that I bought a built-in Bosch. Every time you take out the dishes, you have to look at it closely, because there are often unwashed places. Beko washed everything perfectly, and Bosch (model 63M00, one of the best) does not wash not only complex, but even seemingly simple dirt. We use the same tools. Beko's electricity consumption is exactly the same, he uses only 1 liter more water per cycle than Bosch.

[lilian]

lilian Rather, it was not the PM that burned the filters, but the filters took the blow from the voltage surge, and "died a hero's death"

[lilian]

lilian

No worries, only she has already burned 2 mains filters for me. What does that mean, I wonder? I no longer leave her unattended.

And what kind of filters are they? Cheap Chinese crafts, such as an extension cord? They were not originally designed for such a load. Read the installation instructions - such a powerful consumer should be connected to a separate line with an automatic machine, ouzo (preferably), and a corresponding socket with a grounding contact, and it has been written about this repeatedly here. And any amateur performance is not a problem of PMM Zanussi. If it's so convenient for you with an extension cord - so it should be appropriate - the wires are thicker and the sockets are more powerful ... And then you can safely leave it unattended
I read the links about Elenberg. It turns out that I was lucky to buy the only quality item of this brand - a hairdryer. He is already four years old, and he is working. When bought, it cost half the price of Phillips, but was three times better - black plastic, pleasant to the touch, folding handle. Everything else that I came across was of a very disgusting quality

Girls I do not want to quarrel with anyone ...... here you are all
so that your technique will serve you faithfully for a long time
I also really want to join you ....... and I still have to wait until the end of the month .. : '(and then if everything is all right, then I will show what kind of beast I was waiting for almost 3 months under the order, it's already ridiculous, there are a dime a dozen techniques, but there is no such thing at all, only under the order, and even then, as always, the suppliers brought one time, my burglar did not come .... Now this is the only way to call it ..... like "How long have I been waiting for you" Remember in the movie "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears", here it is with me. I have already changed one team in the kitchen ... it's just awful how many mediocrities are around, and they want to rake in money with a shovel, but there is no return, just to cover up my eyes ... The mood is just awful, while the kitchen is done ... I'll turn gray ahead of time. ... and then you will stop fighting with me at all, you will feel sorry for me, sorry

[Jefry]

[- such a powerful consumer should be connected to a separate line with an automatic machine, ouzo (preferably), and a corresponding socket with a grounding contact, and here it has been written about this more than once.
Jefry, I did not understand anything, thanks for the advice, I printed it out and today I will show my husband - let him do everything as normal.