lesik_l
When the question arose about buying a dishwasher, the kitchen was already standing. It was necessary to fit already in the finished one. I chose a small but roomy one. I bought ELECTROLUX ESF 2440. I have been using it for over a year. The capacity is excellent. I have a family of 3 people - it is enough to wash all the dishes once a day. Placed and 8 liter casseroles and pans. After the holidays, 2-3 times after a dozen guests and a heap of casseroles, he washes everything. There were no problems with crystal and thin glass. The hardness settings did not change. I am very happy with the different modes, but mostly I use 65 degrees. If anyone needs a compact dishwasher, I recommend it.
aynat
milena20111984, that's what I have written in the instructions for your twin brother 5830.

Setting the hardness level

1. Press the program selection button before turning on the device and keep it pressed.
2. Switch on the device with the On / Off button, release the button.
3. Keep the program selection button pressed for 10 seconds until the indicator light of the Start / Pause button starts flashing.
4. The required water hardness is set by pressing program selection buttons (compare the results obtained with the test strip with the value in the stiffness table). The multifunction display shows a corresponding message (r1, r2, r3, r4, r5,r5).
5. After selecting the desired hardness value, press the Start / Pause button to save the selected value. The indicator of the Start / Pause button will now be on continuously.

Try it, maybe you also. When we used it for the first time, my hands were shaking, but I managed to set the rigidity.

If necessary, you can download the instructions for the built-in Vipul ADG 789 on the MVideo website, only it is 8.8 MB.
zvezda
Quote: Hairpin


Star! How is your drying? The main thing is plates and spoons / forks. I have them dry.
My glass is ALWAYS dry and pans, but I took your advice and let the car stand for a while. Only the plastic is sometimes wet. By the way, the strips came with me.
milena20111984 don't worry, my indicator went out on the third wash. And the stains, this is absolutely exactly, as Hairpin wrote, depends on the rinse aid, because at the end of the instructions there are problems and their solutions. I was horrified with the Somat rinse. Try turning the rinse aid knob smaller. Try it with different programs and you will succeed. The quality also depends on the detergent, I know for sure.
Jefry
Yesterday I went to the nearest supermarket of household appliances - Bosch is holding an action, something like "two months of clean dishes." Buy their PMM, and if for some reason you are not satisfied with it, you can return it within two months. The action is probably wonderful precisely for those who decided to give up without looking at Beko at Bosch
From "Foxtrot", the store where I took my PMM, I received a personal coupon for a 20% discount on the entire line of Somat products. At first I had a desire to buy everything and more, but then I remembered the attitude of the members of the forum to Somat and changed my mind. Is it that salt can take five years
milena20111984
aynat
1. about rigidity. I do everything like this, but it doesn't work. I press the program selection - start / stop starts flashing - I start to press the program selection and nothing on the display - again the washing time ...
what's wrong? Am I stupid at all
2. then another question there are 2 indicators: salt and rinse aid. one is the sun, the other. something in English. "S" looks like. what is what? in our anatomy it is simply indicated that this is salt and rinse aid. and this sun is already on the second sink for us ... I don’t understand what is wrong?
3.and the last - you open the door - there is a container for the pill on the right and for the rinse aid on the left, right? we have a rectangular tablet, I put it in the left one ... where it seems like a rinse aid should pour

zvezda
did the indicator stop lighting only after 3 washes?
otherwise I have a second sink and it is burning again, my husband began to be indignant so that I would still fall asleep those 300g that remained ...

Jefry
we also had such an action a year ago, but the people were afraid, as usual in our country, of some trick and did not run to buy them. it's amazing how many people, so many opinions, on another forum everyone scolds Calgonite and praises Somat
I forgot to tell the most interesting thing, when they bought Beko and arranged everything, they asked the seller what kind of dishwasher he had, he answered: "Bosch sellers choose the best" !!! like this...
sazalexter
milena20111984 All correctly read the rating of household appliances from repairmen and you will understand 🔗 and the best is not Bosch but Miele, only the seller cannot afford it
zvezda
milena20111984 I also set the hardness level hard. The whole point is. that DO NOT RELEASE THE BUTTON to select the program !!!! S is the salt level, and the powder or tablet should be put into the LEFT compartment, because the right compartment has a filling indicator for the rinse aid and a wheel for its supply level. And the salt indicator went out after 3 washes, or during it (I don't remember exactly)
Hairpin
I have a sun rinse. And the same sign on the department. And the coil is salt.
milena20111984
surprisingly, my rinse aid is on fire! but what to do ... pour rinse aid into the tablet ... I don't understand the meaning of the tablet tada
aynat
milena20111984
Well, let it burn! or pour and set the rinse aid to 1.

Regarding the rigidity setting.
When the machine is already ready to change the setting mode at the place where the delay start time is displayed, the current setting starts to light. Then you need to reinstall it with the program selection button.

Yesterday I reinstalled myself again to refresh my memory

1. Press the program selection button before switching on the appliance and keep it pressed.
2. Switch on the device with the On / Off button, release the On / Off button . (Keep the program selection button pressed, all program icons will flash, then they will go out and the indicator light of the Start / Pause button will flash)
3. Keep the program selection button pressed for 10 seconds until the indicator light of the Start / Pause button starts flashing. (When the machine is already ready to change the setting mode at the place where the delay start time is displayed, the current setting starts to light up. Then, using the program selection button, it must be reset to the desired one.)
4. The desired water hardness is set by pressing the program selection button (compare the results obtained with the test strip with the value in the hardness table). The multifunction display shows a corresponding message (r1, r2, r3, r4, r5, r5).
5. After selecting the desired hardness value, press the Start / Pause button to save the selected value. The indicator of the Start / Pause button will now be on continuously.

Try again.
mish
Quote: milena20111984

I forgot to tell the most interesting thing, when they bought Beko and arranged everything, they asked the seller what kind of dishwasher he had, he answered: "Bosch sellers choose the best" !!! like this...
In the sense of? So he has Bosch or VEKO?
sazalexter
mish What do you think, where is engineering thought, R&D developments, production culture, technology stronger. In Germany or Turkey? In my opinion, the answer itself suggests itself ... Bosch sellers choose the best clearly stated, no ambiguity
milena20111984
I am also unclear ... but how to reduce salt ... I have learned so far only with rinse aid to create it
mish
from the seller Bosch
and the other seller had Beko and he was very pleased, though he emphasized that he had a rented apartment
Hairpin
Quote: aynat

whitish (glass leaching)
- are they washed off with your finger?
aynat
sazalexter, to each his own, and PMM for 11.5 tons.r., 8 programs (you will not find so much in any Bosh - there is basically either rinsing or 45 degrees, if you please choose (or absolutely for "big money")) has a right to exist. And from whom the chickens do not peck money (and not a young family with a small child) let them buy Mile, this is even cooler!

And as for technology, those who now have a second machine are spitting: earlier, the grass was greener, and dishwashers were washed better than now (then you can continue on the list of TVs, washing machines ...)

Hairpin, no, this is an irreversible process.
Hairpin
I will twist the rinse aid ... I have strips with a reversible process ...
sazalexter
aynat Just why 8 programs, when 1-2 is used, well, a maximum of 3
aynat
8 may not be necessary, but there is also rinsing, and gentle for glass, and fast, and auto, and 70 degrees, etc.

I personally did not use only 2 - 50gr - eco (her consumption is the same as that of 55 and electricity and water, but it washes 1.5 times longer) and hygiene of 70 degrees. I use intensive when I wash the grates from the stove and baking trays / pans, they can only be washed well at this temperature. Delicate - after the party, I wash all the crystal and the tea set. Auto and 55 degrees - when both plates and pans, fast - when only plates (no pots). Well, prewash is rarely used, but it is also needed.

And in Boch there is no 70 grades, then delicate, then auto. Especially it concerns inexpensive models. And in them, and so there are no special developments - such as a heat exchanger, etc.
-Elena-
aynat, You are not entirely right about the PMM Bosch. Of course, inexpensive Bosch models are more expensive than expensive Beko, but they have everything you talked about. When I bought PMM about 4 years ago, I really didn’t want to make a mistake in my choice, and, although there was little money, I bought Bosch (she has 4 programs + rinsing, a heat exchanger and a noise level of 42 dB). And I do not regret at all that Beko was not on sale then. Although my acquaintances now have Beko, they also do not regret buying.
aynat
For example, we have the cheapest Bosch 45cm in the MT-online online store (it is actually the only one with us) costs 16,500 for 4 programs and 54db without any other bells and whistles (BOSCH SRS 40E02 EU). In ordinary stores, prices for Boshi start from 18-19t. R. for the simplest models.
Anastasia
Quote: aynat

For example, we have the cheapest Bosch 45cm in the MT-online online store (it is actually the only one with us) costs 16,500 for 4 programs and 54db without any other bells and whistles (BOSCH SRS 40E02 EU). In ordinary stores, prices for Boshi start from 18-19t. R. for the simplest models.

Now I looked, I liked something like this Boshik for 17500 🔗
model Bosch SRS 43E62 - like everything you need for a shower and a shower of dishes and classes everywhere A.
milena20111984
oh, girls, I have another question, is there a kind of child lock in Beko DFS 5830? but how to do it, my buttons are constantly pressing: 'some kind of horror
zvezda
Quote: sazalexter

aynat Just why 8 programs, when 1-2 is used, well, a maximum of 3
And I use almost everything.
Rinsingif the dishes have stood all day
30 minutes-if almost only glass and plastic, and for some reason, many cups began to get dirty (this is 35 g)
delicate-service, glass and crockery, no pref. sinks (40 gr)
ECO- only this one I did not use, it is very long (50gr)
standard- well, this is every day for pots and for everything (60gr)
intense-if something is badly burnt (from me from AG) (70gr
Baby- also for heavily soiled dishes, but I wash jars in it for seaming, and I also cook food in jars in AG every other day (70gr)
auto-when too lazy to think (55-65gr)
milena20111984 and the blocking is you during the operation of the machine simultaneously for 3 seconds. press + and -.
I also like it. that I can change the program during work.

sazalexter
zvezda And it all perfectly replaces auto when too lazy to think (55-65gr) which is also in Electrolux
Hairpin
Doesn't replace. When I cook, my car works with breaks for half an hour. The program is 28-32 minutes (she decides how she herself, although I cannot understand how). And if I wait an hour and a half each time ...My next batch of dishes will first fill the sink, and then the floor ...
Boo Boo
Quote: Hairpin

Does not replace. When I cook, my car works with breaks for half an hour. The program is 28-32 minutes (she decides how she herself, although I cannot understand how). And if I wait an hour and a half every time ... My next batch of dishes will first fill the sink, and then the floor ...
And all the time the toad strangles me once again to start the car. Even when it's almost full, I go and look for something else to put in there.
Hairpin
What program do you use to wash dishes more often? If I drove for an hour and a half, then I can imagine, I started it, and then bam, I forgot the pot ... But for half an hour it's not a shame ...
k.alena
I would like to express my personal gratitude Hairpin for prompting me to think of a short program that I had undeservedly forgotten. For 5 years I have used it only once to wash a new service when moving. And now I tried it - it washes everything like on Auto (which I mostly used). And after listening to your, girls, advice, I began to launch Eco (or Economy, in general at 50C) more and more often at night. This is a very useful thing - exchange of experience, even for non-beginners
Mams
Quote: milena20111984

surprisingly, there are already two people who are satisfied with Vasco, maybe Vasco is a really good store, and competitors are spreading rumors and nasty things, or they are very lucky and this is great

I think I was very lucky ... There was a good store, but now - or whatever you are lucky. If the equipment is working, then everything is fine, the problems begin in the case of non-working equipment or battered / scratched ... Only a few manage to knock money out of Vaska. I myself have bought from them more than once, successfully, but the last couple of years - from friends I hear only unflattering reviews. And as one of my friends swooped in (according to my, alas, tip) - there is generally ATAS. She shook them for 3 months - and shook them out, but her nerves were battered a lot. The company does not have legal entities. addresses, in general, except for the phone - no contacts. Letters to PO Box, no answer ...
The fact that they carry gray equipment - I saw it when a fridge was brought to a friend, after a call to the representative of the manufacturer's company - it turned out that this model was not officially brought to Russia ... 15 percent higher ... well, etc., etc. ...
Therefore, when buying something in an online store in general, and in Vaska in particular, you need to weigh the pros and cons, assess the risk, and only then buy.

p. from. On the website of the Society for the Protection of Consumer Rights - a large separate topic about Vasco - there are many complaints, much more than the competitors of this company ...
Basja
I bought an electric stove, a bread maker in Vasco, I don’t remember anything else, everything works, everything was brought on time, as agreed.
milena20111984
Girls, please tell me, where is Beko's filter located and how often does the filter need to be cleaned?

by the way, I read the forum from the middle and found tips about the bottle-maker, which Hairpin offered, fired up with desire, it turns out to be so cheap, but there is nowhere to cram, the current 7cm found, and there as much as 11.5 ... will I look for someone bought it separately?
🔗
aynat
The filter is at the bottom - there is such a metal mesh and 2 "glasses" - made of a fine mesh and a plastic one - for large pieces. I cleaned it first after a month, then after 2. I found only dill from the salad ...
Boo Boo
I rarely clean the filter, because there is practically nothing in it. After washing the cans, the pieces of paper usually accumulate there.
Jefry
As for the "stinker" ... There was a joke on ixbt - the woman asked one question - everyone has such a terrible stench in the apartment when PMM works. It turned out that she is the most ...
I don't know where to stick it in, but I have a problem indirectly related to the dishwasher: after a couple of washes, the handle of my favorite teapot fell off:
Dishwasher selection (1)
I glued it once with superglue - it didn't help for long. I haven’t seen these on the market anymore and I was looking for them on the internet - there are many different, but not such. If someone saw it somewhere, please let me know! I would be very grateful!
ks372
People! Does anyone know how to determine the model of an embedded PMM? I kind of looked everywhere, but found nothing! And I put the instructions somewhere neatly and now, probably, only with scissors and a bow can be found !!!
Tanyusha
ks372 at Bosch when you open the door, everything is written on the door above.
Svetik_
As far as I have seen, all brands have their own logo, and you can see it very strongly
Svetik_
In built-ins on the doors, and freestanding always in front. Don't you remember which model you chose? Or was it given as a gift ???
ks372
Thank you.
Quote: tanya1962

when you open the door at Bosch, everything is written on the top of the door.
So I have a Bosch built-in, 45 cm, I open the door, and there is a Bosch electronic aquastop on the left, an on-off button, and on the right there are programs. And I looked for a model in the internet, but with such programs as I did not find the PMM. And I have programs: rinsing, washing 35 *, 50 *, 65 * and half load. Maybe, really, I was looking for something wrong. I don't even know what to do!
Pogremushka
look not on the control panel itself, but a little further. There is a step down. On the metal with embossed information about the car.
Jefry
Dishwasher selection (1)
Dishwasher selection (1)
If it was not deleted by accident
ks372
Quote: Pogremushka

look not on the control panel itself, but a little further. There is a step down. On the metal with embossed information about the car.

Everything is clean on the door, nothing is written, and there is nothing on the sides either. I even wrote a letter to Bosch in Moscow, but they haven’t answered anything yet!
ks372
Quote: Jefry

If it was not deleted by accident
That's probably what happened when we connected! Or maybe such information remained on the back wall and I can't get there now! Thank you!
Jefry
What exactly are you interested in in the instructions? They are all the same type! In addition to tricky manipulations with buttons when setting water hardness, there is nothing special to read ...
ks372
Yes, in fact, I just wanted to read once again the information about what each program is about, about filters, about adjusting both water hardness and rinse aid. And then I use it on-off and program selection. And the funny thing is that the instruction is in 6 languages, except Russian. True, there is also Ukrainian - I will try to translate it somehow. But the PMM model is not indicated in the instructions!
Cake
Lenusya, tell us in more detail, eh? And the composition, and your impressions BEFORE and AFTER use I saw such a box in the super ... But there is a lot of everything ... And now, after the messages sazalexter... I seriously thought about preventive cleaning of my "equipment". Maybe it's worth comparing the active ingredients of different cleaners and come to the conclusion which one is more effective? Or, on the contrary, that all are the same and only the price is different? What do you think?
Iraida
Lenusya And what model of PMM do you have? I choose 45 cm for myself.
Hairpin
Jeffrey!!!!!!!!
Veko has DFS 5830 and DFS 5830 A... But what does the letter A mean? This is very serious?
Berry
Quote: Hairpin

Jeffrey!!!!!!!!
Veko has DFS 5830 and DFS 5830 A... But what does the letter A mean? This is very serious?
I'm not Jeffrey, but I think you won't mind if I answer. The difference between the two PMMs is in color. The letter A stands for black.
Hairpin
Berry!

🔗

There is a letter A, but the color indicated is white ... Maybe A stands for classes ... Well, in order not to write AAA, they just wrote A ...

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