Nat_ka
...Narrow dishwasher. Holds 10 place settings. Washing class A, energy class A. Electronic display. Half fill function. Salt and additional rinse indicator. Overflow and child protection.
this is a description of this particular model. Letters - classification
Berry
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Berry!

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There is a letter A, but the color indicated is white ... Maybe A stands for classes ... Well, in order not to write AAA, they just wrote A ...
Hairpin!
No, it's a color. I know for sure, because I ordered a white one - 5830, and they brought 5830A. She is black. I also swore that they brought something different from what I ordered.
Here's a look: 🔗
The Star has such a model.
zvezda
Quote: Hairpin

Berry!

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There is a letter A, but the color indicated is white ... Maybe A stands for classes ... Well, in order not to write AAA, they just wrote A ...
Hairpin !!Berry absolutely right, A-this is the color I have such a machine, while I was looking for with the letter A ..... in general, everyone had no, that is, white. Why are you interested in Veko? Do you like Bosch?
Hairpin
So I wrote that we advised my friend to take Veko. It seems that he is already ripe, only I order. So I stumbled over a letter.
I don't have Bosch ... I have my beloved Boshechka in a new dress (facade) !!! (dancing smiley)
zvezda
Pay attention, if the white one suits your friend, for the model 6830, it is very good in functions. Look here:
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Hairpin
Star!
Already three times I have been trying to find the difference, but in no way ... And it also confuses that there is no such model on the Veko website ...
Basja
Help, my head is spinning, who praises, who scolds, there is a mess in my head, I can’t understand anything. I ordered my husband as a gift for NG PMM, and now all in my thoughts, which one?
As I understood the PPM Electrolux is good, I dug such a 🔗, tell me,
or else like this, but already BOSCH 🔗... Which is better. I want silver, I have both a refrigerator and a stainless steel stove, so I want everything to be more or less in tone.
zvezda
Quote: Hairpin

Star!
Already three times I have been trying to find the difference, but in no way ... And it also confuses that there is no such model on the Veko website ...
Hairpin!!! Here is a reference, everything is clearly visible there !!!!
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Hairpin
Star!
According to information from that site, I see the difference:
1. Different displays;
2. Two programs are different (fifth and seventh);
3. The 5830 does not have a half load;
4. The 6380 does not have a WaterSafe.

It seems to me that because of the fourth point 6380 loses ...

Maybe I didn't notice something ...
zvezda
Quote: Hairpin

Star!
According to information from that site, I see the difference:
1. Different displays;
2. Two programs are different (fifth and seventh);
3. The 5830 does not have a half load;
4. The 6380 does not have a WaterSafe.

It seems to me that because of the fourth point 6380 loses ...

Maybe I didn't notice something ...
I answer.
1. The display in the 68300 is better
2. The 6830 has an excellent program - Quick & Clean (clean dishes) which washes 51 minutes at a temperature of 55g.
3. 5830 has half load!
4.I didn't find protection in my 5830 either
5.the 6830 has forced hot air drying, I don't know if it's better or not .... only your Jeffrey will help
For me personally, this program is very important - Quick & Clean
sazalexter
Basja Both the one and the other are good
True Lux will be a higher class. Active drying .. whatever they say ... I would take this option. As they say you choose
Svetik_
sazalexter well, as a connoisseur ... tell me too, I want to ask you ... I still have condensation and the machine was already half-open ... and all the same ... everyone has it or just me ??? My masters say that what am I worried about if I have a stainless steel ..... well, I can't do that .... it must dry out. What is it that constantly stands in condensate ??? I don't understand
Svetik_
I just washed the dishes once, well, I left the machine to dry, and then after a while I took and closed the door, and then a few days later I came to the apartment (we hadn't moved yet, so I raided) and opened the door .. . all the same condensation and nothing has dried out. How is everyone doing ???
Boo Boo
I think she just got damp again.
Svetik_
What do you mean again ??? Maybe I misunderstand something ???
Boo Boo And how are you??? I'm just not an expert, I just washed it once ... and how could she dampen it ??? And most importantly, what to do?
Boo Boo
The dishes are dried due to the fact that the walls of the dishwasher are colder than the dishes themselves and condensation settles on them. If the dishwasher did not open, then perhaps the humidity remained in the dishwasher, and when the temperature of the dishes and the walls became equal, the moisture was redistributed. But in general, I'm not special.
sazalexter
Svetik_ The car is wet as it should be. she is not afraid of water. Unless, of course, water it from the top
Pogremushka
Svetik, in my Boche, in the place where the strainer is located (under the lower rocker), there is always a few centimeters of water. If you have a similar situation, you will have to scoop out this water every time so that the PMM dries out. Svetik, condensate in pm is an absolute norm.
Svetik_
Pogremushka no-no ... I have condensation on the walls, and everything is dry near the filters
Anyway, thank you all for the feedback so that I can do everything without you, otherwise I can't say that fear has big eyes, but when you have any questions, at least you know who to contact
natalka
Interesting ... on the walls ...
Everything is dry on my walls, but in the area of ​​the filter (if you remove the upper grill), it is true that a few cm of water remains, but this is apparently the norm. Yes, I have Boshik too.
Pogremushka
Svetik, and it is dry near the filter, and under its lid (it is a mesh) there is water, as Natalka wrote. This is me to the fact that in PMM in any case there is high humidity, which sometimes manifests itself as condensation. And this is the absolute norm.
natalka
Recently, such an advertisement has appeared on TV and in magazines.

Dishwasher selection (1)

I was interested in the third upper tray for forks, spoons, knives.
I haven't come across such before.
Does anyone have a dishwasher with such a shelf? How much more convenient is it than ordinary accommodation?

Dishwasher selection (1)
Basja
sazalextercan I ask you more. Found another Siemens PPM
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What can you say about this car
Hairpin
Well, our friend ordered Veko 6380. Tomorrow they will bring it. So I can compare Veko with Bosch on the same salts / powders / rinses. Since he will buy all the chemicals that he bought from me. I would even say that I personally throw it into a platypus basket.
sazalexter
Basja In my opinion, a good car of the Siemens-Bosch concern
Only a little expensive
Boo Boo
Pogremushka water filter water - this is the norm and it is not necessary to scoop it out. but if the water under the yoke is ........., in short, it should not be there

natalka I included two grates that cling to the top basket. I don't use them, because the place is very steal and nothing fits into the upper basket. At the dacha, I put such a grid in the lower basket to wash the skewers.
natalka
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natalka I included two grates that cling to the top basket. I don't use them, because the place is very steal and nothing fits into the upper basket. At the dacha, I put such a grid in the lower basket to wash the skewers.

And it seemed to me that this is a separate pull-out tray, and not attached to the upper basket. There, in my opinion, even the guides are visible in the second photo.
Boo Boo
I also thought so and this tray is clearly more convenient than my garbage. I think he steals the place anyway, but for me the height is very important
Svetik_
People ....... everything is fine with me already with condensation .... today I looked into the apartment .... and there everything dried up, closed the door and left with a sense of accomplishment
Thanks to all
Berry
Quote: Hairpin

Well, our friend ordered Veko 6380. Tomorrow they will bring it. So I can compare Veko with Bosch on the same salts / powders / rinses. Since he will buy all the chemicals he bought from me. I would even say that I personally throw it into a platypus basket.
Hairpin, probably Veko 6830. I have the same. I bought it by chance, you might say. I ordered 5830, but they were not available. They offered 6830. Washes my dishes for almost a week and I'm happy with the result. Washes even bottles from the dairy kitchen. The program that Zvezdochka was talking about is really convenient. Washes 58 minutes at 60 degrees. It spends energy only 0.07 kW more than the economy program, and less water. For everyday washing, just super! I will wait for your comparisons.
Lionsea
to: Berry and Hairpin! pliiiz please write your impressions of the Beko 6830 the fact is that I want to buy this particular model for my mother as a gift on NG, but nowhere can I find either what the machine looks like (in more detail), nor the instructions from it, but buying a pig in a poke a second time is already somehow scary (the first was my pmm Blomberg ... ehhhh) ... really looking forward to and hope for your feedback
zvezda
Lionsea I have 5830, but there are not significant differences, I, as I wrote, 6830 like it more, but it simply does not exist in black. so I took this one. And here's a link to 6830 🔗
Berry
Quote: Lionsea

to: Berry and Hairpin! pliiiz please write your impressions of the Beko 6830 the fact is that I want to buy this particular model for my mother as a gift on NG, but nowhere can I find either what the machine looks like (in more detail), nor the instructions from it, but buying a pig in a poke a second time is already somehow scary (the first was my pmm Blomberg ... ehhhh) ... really looking forward to and hope for your feedback
Lionsea, I have nothing to compare with. This is my first PMM. I am very pleased. Washes everything well, doesn't make much noise. Convenient display. Shows the time to the end of the program and the stage of washing. Everything is clearly visible. I also did not find instructions for it. My summary: the quality is good, the price is reasonable.
Nat_ka
Question for this model (Beko 5830): what is the shortest program and how much does it weigh? (the elevator does not work in the house, so I am thinking about the number of loaders). And another thing: 6830 - 60 cm, 5830 - 45 cm, or is there something else there?
Something I am generally confused ...........
Berry
Quote: Nat_ka

Question for this model (Beko 5830): what is the shortest program and how much does it weigh? (the elevator does not work in the house, so I am thinking about the number of loaders). And another thing: 6830 - 60 cm, 5830 - 45 cm, or is there something else there?
Nat_ka, 6830 - 45 cm. And the differences Zvezda indicated on the previous page, look. Or wait for the Star, she knows all about these models. In terms of weight, I think they do not differ much (mine 6830 weighs about 40 kg. Together with my brother we raised it to the 2nd floor).
zvezda
the difference between 5830 and 6830 in the display and 6830 has an excellent Quick & Clean program, -clean dishes, it washes at 60g. only 58 minutes, there are no such programs in 5830 !!! And then there is forced drying, I really don't know very well myself, but the reviews are good. I am insanely happy with my 5830, it washes everything !!! Today she piled so much on her .... the beauty did it! Yes, they are both 45 cm long, but I can't say about the weight ... I haven't tried to lift it ... look here
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Hairpin
Came from ... either launching 6830, or washing it! First impression after three launches (comparing with my Bosch 5513):
1. At a price almost two times cheaper;
2. Remote panel (you can see the time until the end);
3. The minimum program with drying - Quick & Clean 58 minutes (mine - 30). If not for one, it would have been 6 minutes longer.
4. 30-minute program without drying;
5. The salt compartment is much larger. I ate 1.5 kilograms lightly. I do not fit 1.5 kg of the same salt.
6. It looks like the rinse aid compartment is also much larger (by the amount of rinse aid poured in);
7. Despite the amount drunk, I did not find how to adjust the hardness in the instructions. A test strip is included though.

Conclusion... At half the price, the 58 minute program is identical to my 30 minute program. The owner said to this: “Does it make all the difference?” And ordered Star increase his reputation, because it was the fifth program that he liked the most!

Well, then we will see !!!
zvezda
Hairpin !!! Thank you!!! I'm glad I liked it .... but this favorite program of mine can't be compared to your 30 minute program !!! She has a temperature of 60g, which allows you to fully: wow: wash the dirtiest dishes !!!
Nat_ka
Quote: zvezda

the difference between 5830 and 6830 in the display and 6830 has an excellent Quick & Clean program, - clean dishes, it washes at 60g. only 58 minutes, there are no such programs in 5830 !!! And then there is forced drying, I really don't know very well myself, but the reviews are good. I am insanely happy with my 5830, it washes everything !!! Today she piled so much on her .... the beauty did it! Yes, they are both 45 cm each, but I can't say about the weight ... I haven't tried to lift it ...
Thanks to flowers: for a meaningful answer.

Wherever I looked, model 6830 - 60 cm. 🔗
What does it mean?!
Jefry
Quote: Nat_ka

What does it mean?!
That's what Beko has, not like people, but model numbers ... I fell for that too. The width of the car is indicated by one of the first three letters. If you are not lazy, flip through the last pages, somewhere it was already.
DFN - 60
DFS - 45
like so
zvezda
Jefry wrote it all right (that's what pro means !!!!)
Nat_ka
Clear. We have already paid for 5830. If I really wanted to, then just right now.
I thought so ... I always buy into all sorts of "bells and whistles", then I use 1-2 programs and regret that I overpaid for the rest. Eh, I would rather get another "toy"
zvezda
Quote: Nat_ka

Clear. We have already paid for 5830. If I really wanted to, then just right now.
I thought so ... I always buy into all sorts of "bells and whistles", then I use 1-2 programs and regret that I overpaid for the rest. Eh, I'd rather get another "toy"
But 5830 is cheaper !!! I use all the programs and am very happy !!! So don't be upset !!! The car is beautiful !!!
Cake
I want to say, as an advanced BECO woman with a year and a half experience (!!!), I also use the Quick & Clean program in 90% of cases. Indeed, both fast and clean.
Berry
Quote: Hairpin

Came with ... either launching 6830, or washing it! First impression after three launches (comparing with my Bosch 5513):
1. At a price almost two times cheaper;
2. Remote panel (you can see the time until the end);
3. The minimum program with drying - Quick & Clean 58 minutes (mine - 30). If not for one, it would have been 6 minutes longer.
4. 30-minute program without drying;
5. The salt compartment is much larger. I ate 1.5 kilograms lightly. I do not fit 1.5 kg of the same salt.
6. It looks like the rinse aid compartment is also much larger (by the amount of rinse aid poured in);
7. Despite the amount drunk, I did not find how to adjust the hardness in the instructions. A test strip is included though.

Conclusion... At half the price, the 58 minute program is identical to my 30 minute program. The owner said to this: “Does it make all the difference?” And ordered Star increase his reputation, because it was the fifth program that he liked the most!

Well, then we'll see !!!
Hairpin! How to adjust the hardness is written on a separate piece of paper, there is also a table for setting the water hardness level.
Hairpin
Quote: zvezda

But 5830 is cheaper !!!

My 6830 turned out to be 1000 rubles cheaper. But these were different stores. I just filtered by prices, 6830 - at least 11,700 rubles, and 5830 - 12,500 rubles.
Nat_ka
It's the opposite with us. We bought ours at the lowest price of $ 5 for (approximately) $ 367. When in Foxtrot it costs about $ 487. But it still seems cheaper than yours ?!
Hairpin
Without the delivery of lifting and installation, it costs 11,700 rubles = 335 dollars. Well, if you take the course 35 rubles per dollar ... So again in Moscow is cheaper.
Lydia
Quote: Basja

Help, my head is spinning, who praises, who scolds, there is a mess in my head, I can’t understand anything. I ordered my husband as a gift for NG PMM, and now all in my thoughts, which one?
As I understood the PPM Electrolux is good, I dug such a 🔗, tell me,
or else like this, but already BOSCH 🔗... Which is better. I want silver, I have both a refrigerator and a stainless steel stove, so I want everything to be more or less in tone.

Basja, I will neither scold nor praise the PMM Electrolus chosen by you. I will only say that I also have PMM Electrolux, only 43010 (without display, but with preliminary rinsing). So, if and when I have to buy PMM again (This one probably won't last forever!), I will NOT buy Electrolux for anything, although there are no complaints about the quality of washing. This infection is so gentle, power surges for her. And the voltage jumps from 195 to 245! The people recommended buying a stabilizer, so far I can do without it, but with a "voltage meter", that is, with a tester (or multimeter).I start to wash the dishes at a voltage of at least 232-233 V, because after pouring water and pouring out the powder (a click is heard), the voltage sags by 15-20 V - it looks like the machine starts to heat the water. Although there are no guarantees that it will wash without problems. If the voltage still subsides, then at <205 it simply stops: (And the Samsung washing machine has been working without problems for several years! This is just information for you to think about.
sazalexter
Lydia The most interesting thing I have is PM Electrolux ESF 4151
Purchased in December 2004. The voltage jumps from 185 to 230. Especially in winter !!!
But there is a small nuance reworked electrical wiring with "clean land".
At the moment of turning on the heating element, the consumption from the network can increase up to 2 kW!
IMHO it's not about the typewriter!

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