Coffee machine

[gawala]

gawala, The coffee machines have been set from the factory to the maximum hard water program. Delongue has 5 degrees of hardness (I can be wrong 4) Regardless of what kind of water you pour, it does not determine it, but only counts the number of liters of water that passed through it. Therefore, go to the settings of the coffee machine and change the water hardness - depending on the one you have set. All machines have this setting.)
SoNika, It is better to use the coffee machine every day, then there will be no downtime in the system)

In the coffee machines from the factory, a program is set for maximum hard water. Delongue has 5 degrees of hardness (I can be wrong 4) Regardless of what kind of water you pour, it does not determine it, but only counts the number of liters of water that passed through it. Therefore, go to the settings of the coffee machine and change the water hardness - depending on the one you have set. All machines have this setting.)

Maybe it was set, but we installed it ourselves according to the test attached to the car ... I don’t remember that the maximum rigidity was already on the display .. My husband installed everything according to the test. And why change something, just in order not to clean the car every 4 months? The pipes will be cleaner ...

Colleagues, resolve your doubts about buying KM. There is an offer in the Okey De'Longhi ECAM 23.210.B network for 21940 scars - does it make sense to contact? I am very interested in the noise of the unit. Now there is Saeko-Philips Sintya, and sometimes it is very noisy. Once I had to call the master (since under warranty) the nut on the boiler unscrewed, the noise seemed to become much quieter, but still. Can anyone come across, tell me how noisy De'Longhi is? Or is it better to take a closer look at the older models, as mentioned here 3500 and others like it?

not quiet ... we have a kitchen of 16 sq. and you can hear it tangibly ...

We have DeLonghi ESAM 2600. Melite is noisy, but FAST

Their millers all work quite noisily, but the pump during cooking - in different ways. I would like it quieter, so that the family does not wake up in the morning. ))

I'll get in here with mine snout Xsmall in your kalashny deLongy row.
The volume of work is also relevant ... But I noticed that if you press the machine with your hand while making coffee, then part of the noise and vibration is "extinguished" ... Even though we are saving ourselves, coffee is hunting ...

[Editor13]

Editor13All Delonghi machines are about the same in noise, as a rule, the larger the model, the quieter it grinds due to the fact that the noise dissipates, one more thing, at 23.210, there is a removable lid for the coffee hopper on top - it is rubberized, at 3500, like the 2600 has a plastic cover (not rubberized). Newer lines work quieter: 29.510 (29990r) 350.15 (around 39990r) from the price category up to 40 a full automatic machine with cappuccino - I recommend, of course, 22.360 (39990r) everything is available on the delongi website.



marinastomMost likely, you just press down on the lid for the coffee bunker, because of the not very tight fit, it rattles, in contrast to Intelia (Italian assembly), rubber seals have not yet been installed in ixsmols.

I press not the lid, but the body. No chattering was noticed behind the lid.

[NikoVazovski]

NikoVazovski, I would like of course up to 30,000. Of course, I don’t rest against De Longues and I’m ready to consider other brands, but all in the same price range. I noticed that in company stores the prices are much higher than the average on the Internet. This has always raised the question of probably not entirely correct pricing policy. After all, in order to attract a client, you need to give him candy, and not pour a tub of cold water on him with your own prices. But this is so thought out loud ... Sorry.What is the approximate noise level of these cars, the same as that of the saeko, or more, or quieter? I've never heard the noise of DeLonga, all the shops are full of extraneous noises ...
marinastom, I'm not worried about the noise from the compartment lid, but the noise during cooking (filling the cup) - this is most likely the noise from the pump supplying water. And I have a lid with a rubber band and it does not rattle.

[Editor13]

Editor13, you can watch it on youtube. get an idea of ​​the noise

[Editor13]

Editor13, In my opinion - the coffee grinder is quieter for the saek, all other processes are quieter for the delonga ... This, again, depends on which models to compare, and in what condition.
And if we talk about prices, then off the representative office of Delongue lowered the prices for its equipment, a couple of months ago, therefore, now the officials have adequate prices)
I would recommend you the delonghi 22.110 or 29.510 model - the difference in design, touch control and assembly. Romania / Italy.

[NikoVazovski]

NikoVazovski, Thanks, I will take a look. I prefer touch controls. Romanian assembly is certainly a question, but if everything is done under control, then maybe the quality does not suffer ... Although history knows options.
On YouTube I watched a comparison of 4 brands Saeco, De Longhi, Yura, Bosch. So there was a mention that De Longhi "overcooks" the coffee in the grinder a little - is that right? And it turns out a kind of aftertaste ... There was an emphasis that the Delongi has the most unreliable charger and boiler, but due to the fact that the line from the boiler to the cup is reduced to a minimum - the coffee is hotter than the others. And it is quite right to say that it is impossible to choose a coffee machine "behind the eye" - you have to try the brewed product and only after that a decision will be made.
About noise - I'm considering new cars, so I'm focusing on the noise ... Does a car for 60 pieces make noise the same way as for 20?

I am certainly not a great coffee machine specialist, but I think they will all be quite noisy.

[Editor13]

Editor13, As for the burnt taste - here the emphasis of competitors goes to the steel millstones of the Delongi (the groats have steel ones, some of the saikas also have steel ones). This is an old story supposedly about burnt coffee. For home use 10-20 gm of coffee your millstones will not heat up. I personally did not notice burntness in delongues - only if you choose not very high-quality coffee. In short, this is a marketing ploy, allegedly ceramics are better than steel, while many are silent about the less reliable material. Although, as practice shows, if you yourself do not pour stones into the grinder, then nothing will happen with ceramics.
As for the infusion blocks, I would argue that they still seem to me to be one of the most reliable, because 1 is completely collapsible, 2 are removable 3 do not require additional maintenance 4 if you suddenly break it, their cost in a service center is from 2-3 thousand.
Delongi has no problems with a boiler either, the main thing is to carry out decalcification on time and that's it.
The weakest points of all coffee machines are electronics (sensors) and coffee grinders with pumps.
As for the highway, this is indeed the case, while in older machines 2600,3500,6904 this highway is even shorter than in machines 22.110 and newer. Here the line partly affects the temperature of the drink, this was done rather for simplicity in cleaning for the end consumer)

As for the noise, there were no major changes in the coffee grinders and noise insulation in the machines. In my subjective opinion, in more expensive - larger machines, noise is better dissipated inside the case. But this is a personal opinion, such characteristics are not indicated anywhere ...

[NikoVazovski]

NikoVazovski, Thank you. This review does not hide the advantages of steel millstones over ceramic ones (reliability), it was really said about the infusion blocks that they are the most inexpensive and can be bought at almost any service. There it is not hushed up and it is said that everyone should choose their own car.
So what do you say to model 23.210, or would it be better to look towards 22.110 or 29.510? (Category up to 30,000).

At the weekend, my spouse and my spouse showed me, the new coffee maker, and there are so many interesting Indonesian items that I have not seen, but not related to coffee and very good. an interesting machine, as I understand it is for roasting coffee. I was offered Silver Arabica coffee, an awesome aroma of roasted coffee, but I was warned that it could not be brewed for a couple of days ..., I tasted it today, I am happy, there is no izzhoga, foam, aroma mmm. The pack says 100% Arabica, but in the internet it says everywhere that this is not pure Arabica, but with Robusto, but I liked it.

but they warned that it could not be cooked for a couple of days ..

After roasting for 6 hours, the coffee should "soak" in a container with a small hole in it for carbon dioxide to escape. then pour into any sealed container and do not touch the grains for 5 days .. During this time, the grain is gaining aroma .. And after two weeks the aroma begins to go away. that's why smart coffee gourmets recommend drinking coffee 2 weeks in advance ..
As the same coffee gurus write that you can drink coffee in a horn or a vending machine after 5 days, but you can brew it in a Turk, you can brew it in an aeropress even a few hours after roasting ...

[Galina]

Galina, yes bags, new, paper ones with a slip and holes in the middle, I honestly survived 2 days .., I'm a bastard, I even allowed myself 2 mugs today ...

yes bags, new, paper with a slip and holes in the middle, I honestly withstood 2 days

Yes, you can do it as you want. I just shared my experience. I once read a lot of information about a coffee roaster before buying it .. coffee really differs between two days of aging and five days .. A lot of different options have been tried .. All the same, coffee gurus do not "eat their own bread" for nothing.

[Galina]

Galina, yes, for sure, I always think that it is impossible to trust the ray of the specialist, to know everything ...

[gawala]

gawala, Galya, thanks for the interesting info
Galina, Virine, write, girls. I am waving

thanks for the interesting info

Oh, yes, not at all ..

[Svetlan]

Svetlan, Galya knows a lot of interesting things ...

Svetlan, Galya knows a lot of interesting things

Galya has helped me more than once. therefore

write, girls. I am waving

[Editor13]

Editor13, 23.210 and 22.110 are no different except for design and management. The only thing at 23.210 is the "Panarella" system of cappuccino + is called in Delongi, it is believed that it froths milk better. Maybe there is a different assembly, 23.210 is usually sold in Metro / Okay, etc., you rarely find it in a regular store, so I will not cancel the fact that there is still an Italian assembly there. 22.110 exactly Romania) As for 29.510 ... not everyone will be comfortable with this car) it all depends on your visual preferences) PS I am impressed by the design of 23.210)

I (looked for sure) Delongy ESAM 04.320 Magnifica Rapid-Cappuccino .. As far as I know, there are no such ones, a very small batch was released. There are more advanced ones from the Magnifica-Cappuccino series, there is a cappuccino maker, there is a milk bowl. a difference of 200 euros.
Well, what am I for? We bought our car three years ago, in Germany, on the box it was written made in Romania .. maybe the Italians left some kind of ruler for themselves, it is possible that new models are assembled by themselves, perhaps expensive models like the Prima Donna ... but we have China no, that's for sure .. while Romania .. and what's next, it's hard to say .. I like the car. They are all noisy, there are no full machines and that would work quietly .. this probably cannot be in nature .. but compared to earlier models, our coffee grinds are not so noisy, normal. If I were choosing a new car now, I would choose the Magnifica line, well, or something similar, but more improved .. Nra It turns out that he poked his finger and no need to twist-twirl, switch the toggle switches, set, well, figuratively, of course, about the toggle switches .. Friends have an older model, brews coffee not very well, there is a lot of rumble. I certainly understand that the grain, the grind setting, but nevertheless ..
In general, these are thoughts out loud about the Delongy-Magnifica-Rapid-cappuccino coffee machine.

Well, congratulate the eternal experimenter. I changed the coffee machine.))) If everyone has Delonge, Saeki, Yura, then now I have ... Orson. "You are attractive, I am damn attractive, so why waste time? !!" (c))))

Here. In the interior, without the interior ("here's a photo with a corner, without a corner, in a corner ..." (c)))). I liked very much what will happen next - we'll see. I like the design unconditionally. The latte was beautiful. The milk foam is flawless.

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Natasha, congratulations.Let the hostess please. And you have shared with us your favorite sorts of coffee.

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, and what happened to your old one?

I changed the coffee machine.

With a new thing. Let the hostess please and serve for a long time ..

If everyone has Delonge, Saeki, Yura, then now I have ... Orson.

A friend was presented with a completely unknown brand, I have not even heard of this one ...
But

The latte was beautiful. The milk foam is flawless.

The same thing .. makes great coffee. The foam is super-duper .. I just helped to set up the grind .. my friend was delighted .. I myself was envious of what delicious coffee she makes ... Much still depends on the water .. At home, the water is different, or maybe the neighbors always have apples tastier. ...

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, and what happened to your old one?

She said she was ill.))) She worked hard, cooked 10 cups a day as standard. Plus, I gave a damn about her: either soap or not))).

First one filling nozzle clogged. In an attempt to clean it up, my husband simply broke it off)). I glued it. She still lived decently with him, but then fell off completely. The husband sealed the hole in general and she served coffee from one)). Then the menu "twist" appeared. The husband disassembled it, conjured something there - it worked. But from time to time it could not work very correctly. Now he is relieving pressure somewhere in the area of ​​the brewing unit and writes: that's it, I can't, I'm tired. In short, she rattled off for almost 5 years, we no longer began to drag her around the services in such an exhausted state. We bought a new one. Bosch's husband will disassemble (it's no longer scary when she is written off), shamanit, clean, lubricate, if he earns, he will go to a well-deserved pension in an apartment, there is rarely a need to work), if not, we will bury it with honors)).

And Orson ... Well, the car is no worse according to the declared characteristics, the price is reasonable and we decided to experiment. Most likely, while Orson enters the coffee machine market, they are not very bending the price. Nobody knows them, the competition in this segment is very decent. There is a chance to get a good set of features and a good level for very real money. And not just pay half for a brand, like Jura, for example ..

I am philosophical about coffee machines. The mechanical part of coffee machines is a pretty standard piece of equipment. Good firms do it well. The rest of the fee is for electronic bells and whistles, touch screens and other baubles. I here at a guy on a technical forum read - why are Saeki so popular with you? If they buy a good coffee machine from us, it's Siemens. And now, understand and figure out what it is and how. Taste is generally subjective and I do not consider myself a gourmet and coffee lover, although I understand something. Reliability? Saeks, Delongees, Yura, and all are actively breaking down. Although Siemens, just like true Germans in terms of reliability of work, I have more confidence. By the way, all their guts / construction / materials (even in color and detail) of the infuser, tray, container, etc. are absolutely identical to Beauchamp. In my opinion, they are being developed and made somewhere in one place. Here Bosch lasted almost 5 years of intensive exploitation.

Arguments usually begin that Italians are the main, first, they have groundwork, they know a lot about the taste of coffee ... Come on. So what? England is the birthplace of football. Nothing, they have long been caught up and overtaken))). And the Germans, for example, are the gods of technology, production culture and quality of performance. You can't stretch with them. Taste? Well, for example, someone who tastes olives and olives, but the Greeks understand - just go! Only I can't really eat their olives and olives that are there, in their homeland. Unusually sharp, salty, sour, tasteless ... But authentic!)) And I need not authentic, but delicious. TO ME !!)) Therefore ... I decided to take what my soul went to. Delicious. And while the wallet allows you to experiment - why not. It will break down - it will be a pity, but I will survive.))



Here, I cooked a latte. True, I do not have a tall glass as it should be, in which the foam will stand higher, but a large cup (volume to the brim is 500 ml, hehe))). It is very wide, so the layer of foam is lower.although the identity is good, right? But this is my favorite double walled cup - it keeps the coffee hot longer.

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, I congratulate you on the new thing) The only thing is that coffee machines and equipment have been on the Russian market for a very long time. The only thing she has borrowed technology. By the way, for cleaning, do not forget to regularly use 200-300 cups of tablets for cleaning (in principle, she will ask for it herself). PS Simmens is essentially the same Bosch ...
The main thing is that you like coffee)

[NikoVazovski]

NikoVazovski,

Orson's technique - yes, both the cartoon itself and the yogurt maker, but I meant exactly how the manufacturers of coffee machines do not know about them - now there is only 1 model (reincarnation of the previous one) and I saw that only now, there are no reviews (that is, massively not for sale, otherwise the people would have been chatting about it among themselves). Did you look bad?

Do you mean purification of coffee oils? Because I don’t need limescale, I have osmosis. I clean it as soon as I ask (previous car). Right? More often not needed, just on demand?

[Scarecrow]

ScarecrowUnfortunately, I do not know much about Orson (I know that they have great multicooker, Bork and Orson buy their multicooker from a cook), the coffee machines are identical to the Kaffit coffee machine. By the way, whose coffee machine assembly do you have? But as far as I know, Orson does not have a removable infuser, so the machine requires cleaning of coffee oils, i.e. in Delongy it is recommended to rinse the infuser once 1-2 months, then Orsnon, due to its non-removable design, must use tablets to they cleared the coffee oils from the pipes and the brewing unit. This is a very important point, it must be followed according to the instructions and on demand. And plus, of course, the usual descaling-on-demand.



Scarecrow, Little is said about it, because there is very high competition among several key manufacturers)

[NikoVazovski]

NikoVazovski,

And Bosch also has a removable unit and a program for cleaning coffee oils with tablets is required.

Assembly China, of course ((.

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Bosch and Delongy are completely different brands that independently develop equipment, therefore, Delongy has its own design features in the brewing unit and in the minimum distance from this block to the cup)
Of course, I am not belittling the quality of this or that brand)

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, My congratulations, but what about her noise at the time of steam / water supply. The coffee grinder is noisy, of course, and by the way, what kind of millstones does it have (metal or ceramics)? And the fact that it is not a removable unit - it looks like Yura, there too - just that - in the service ... Is it really the same here?
Bosch and Siemens are assembled in one plant, on parallel conveyors and differ only in the nameplates.

[Editor13]

Editor13,

The millstones are metal. Like)). Bosch had pottery. But I read something that in household machines it is less necessary to fool about this. And she didn't even focus on it.

Noisy - no, nothing special. Compared to Bosch or Saeko, the sisters are not louder. The cappuccino maker does not work louder either. Only the first "spit" of steam is loud. She just shoots straight into the cup a portion of steam under pressure and only then the milk foam begins to flow. ABOUT! By the way, Bosch's cappuccino maker also hasn't produced froth for a long time. Fortunately - I am rather indifferent to milk coffee drinks))). I would not be surprised if it will be the same here (there are many complaints about the previous model). But it turns out that this is a disease of many cars. Therefore, the cappuccino ability of the car did not play a role for me when choosing.

Yes, I understood about Bosch / Siemens. But Bosch, in principle, also poured in gradually. I described above. And if it were not for her handy husband, who himself eliminated some of the shortcomings, she would have traveled to the service every time. There was also some kind of nonsense - I stopped seeing the pallet (he was doing something too), etc. Apparently, the coffee machine is such a doomed unit)). My sister's expensive sensory Saeko quickly began to freak out. It works so far, but with some caveat, I don't remember what her troubles are.A friend's Saeko very quickly stopped heating the water - it gives out slightly warm. It is necessary to drag to the service. They do not work for anyone around for at least 5 years without complaints)). Now this, then that ...

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Or you can get insolent and ask to record the sound of the coffee making process, please.)) About the saeks, they say that after merging with the filipk, the saek became not saeko at all .... It happens ... this concerns in the first place. It is not profitable to make non-breaking devices - there will be overproduction ...

[Editor13]

Editor13,

Okay, I'll record how I'm going to make coffee.



Here is the promised video:
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[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, Thank you very much! I listened - it seemed quiet enough.

Girls! Hello! I have a Delongy ecam22.36x coffee machine. It worked very well, but for some time now I stopped making medium foam. He makes a high one, and a medium one is just pouring milk.
What to do? Tell me.

Hello everyone) take me to the company: I got a Krups EA826E coffee machine.
Pants full of joy, brews very tasty coffee, just read that caring for her is expensive.
I wanted to ask: how often do you need to clean the machine of coffee oils? And if someone has such a car, do you use your own means or are others also suitable?

Listen, I like my Orson so far.

Natus, will there be a continuation?))))
Here, you know, I'm leaning towards Orson ... probably
Like I read that you wrote somewhere about the density of the foam in cappuccino, right?
What kind of foam does it make?

[Irina F]

Irina F,

Dense, good. I made a latte there on the video, you can see the foam a little. And the taste - you understand. Figs will figure it out. everyone loves different things. and even a million varieties of coffee ...

Yes, about the taste is clear, Natasha!
It just became interesting about the density. It's good that it's dense!
Yesterday we were treated to cappuccino in a wonderful cafe on the banks of Ladoga, located in the equally wonderful town of Sortavala. The coffee is wonderful! Thick foam)

Hello! Who remembers my epic with the KRUPS coffee machine, I want to inform you that they installed a new coffee grinder in it, and recently a brewing unit. It was expensive, but on the other hand, consider that I now have a new coffee machine, which I could not afford, my family would not allow. And so, gradually repaired, I collected it for a coffee grinder, and a brewing unit for gift birthday money. Thanks to everyone who advised me not to sell it to the master for 5 thousand. Because for me not a single type of coffee, neither in a Turk, nor in a geyser coffee maker, nor in a carob coffee machine, can compare with that of a freshly ground coffee machine. The only thing I can compare with (not by taste, but by the sensations of taste) is with capsule Nespresso. But their capsules are terribly expensive. Thanks again for the good advice.

[sleepyhead]

sleepyhead, Sveta, I'm very glad! With the current equipment, repairing the old one may be the only way out.