caprice23
Mandatory card when ordering
olche
caprice23, Natasha, Hurray! Happy sister!
LET'S BE FRIENDS WITH CARS! AND COFFEE!!!
Olche, what is your grind?
we have a grinding at the third point from right to left, I don’t know if I’ll explain it clearly - I specially went to see the machine ...
On the contrary, we enjoy MSSSI dairy products !!! Milk goes with a bang! But we can't pick up coffee in any way, the taste of the expresso differs from the old carob, I also give me a chic foam / I drank ground lavazza with robusta / I tried it, it turns out less saturated and another one, I'm making a small black for myself. coffee + espresso It tastes better for me
Can you advise something, you have more experience with machine guns !?
gawala
Quote: olche
what can you advise
I can only advise you to buy a roaster and green coffee and roast at home, then there will be foam and aroma and all 33 pleasures .. I'm serious. We did just that in due time .. Since I didn’t like purchased coffee, even though there’s anyone here, for every taste and budget. what I just didn’t try .. not that all .. But they bought roasting, began to buy Arabica, mono-varieties, began to fry .. well, in general, it's a fairy tale ..
olche
Yes, even the story is already drooling and turning into foam!
gawala
Quote: olche
frothy
And by the way, the foam is very good. Although from full automatic machines, it usually does not turn out the same as in a horn.
A.lenka
Quote: gawala
And by the way, the foam is very good. Although from full automatic machines, it usually does not turn out the same as in a horn.
Yes, for me it was amazing, to be honest ... I thought the coffee in the machine tastes better than in the horn. But it turned out that a simple carob Vitek gives a gorgeous foam-cream. Here it seems that one of the girls even posted a photo. And there is also a Vitek model with an auto cappuccino maker. And on Ali (Tmall) for a stock, the price is about 7.000 rubles, plus / minus ...
gawala
Quote: A.lenka
Yes, for me it was amazing, to be honest ... I thought the coffee in the machine tastes better than in the horn.
It is almost impossible to get the same coffee in a vending machine as in a cone. It is believed that you fall asleep in the horn yourself, you stir the coffee in the horn with a paper clip, you temper with a certain effort .. This is not me saying, this is what coffee gurus say .. At the exit from the horn you get a concentrated drink .. spilling 25 seconds.
It was the machine gun that was working with me, there was a horn, it broke down very quickly .. I didn't buy another one anymore, if I buy, then buy an expensive device, but it needs an expensive and proper kit, in short, at that time, to lay out more than 3 thousand euros, we were like -that's not ready .. and now we're used to the machine. I still drink coffee with milk ..
GTI Tatiana
For me, the most delicious coffee brewed in a Turk. Someone does not like it because of its greasy and thick in the cup. Of course, you can strain, but the foam is broken and in general it is no longer
then. I have a gas stove at the dacha and cook only in a Turk.
At home there was a Saeko Nina Bar espresso machine. With a cappuccino maker. Made great coffee. The foam is gorgeous. The drink itself is close to the Turkish, thick, but less fatty chtoli. I used a cappuccino maker very rarely, although I love cappuccino. He made milk froth perfectly. It turned out to be dense, did not fall off for a long time. But the process itself is dreary. We were friends for seven years. A very decent coffee grinder was bought for her. Krups with adjustment of the amount of coffee and the degree of grind. But then she broke down. Does not hold water for serving. Was under repair. Repaired. Enough for a month. And the same thing. I bought a replacement coffee machine. Very comfortably. Any coffee can be prepared much faster. But! The drink itself does not differ for the better. Some kind of sparse chtoli. The foam is good, but not as good as in a horn or turk.
I drink a lot of coffee throughout the day. And I am satisfied with the fast cooking process now.When I really want a treat, I can cook it in a Turk. But by email. the stove is not economically viable to do this.
caprice23
Quote: olche
LET'S BE FRIENDS WITH CARS! AND COFFEE!!!
Of course let's !!! To me on you !!!
I get coffee on the website, and it happens in joint purchases. Very tasty!!! At one time she lived on the well-known site of coffee lovers, so the coffee of this company, their roasting and quality are considered one of the best with us. There is also excellent coffee on the Torrefacto website (I don't remember exactly how it is spelled). But it's more expensive there.
Quote: A.lenka
And there is also a Vitek model with an auto cappuccino maker. And on Ali (Tmall) for the stock the price is about 7.000 rubles, plus / minus.
Before Bosch there was just a carob Vityok with a cappuccino maker in the form of a jug. I did not make friends with her even though you crack. I didn't get delicious coffee there. Well, to be honest, I didn't have a coffee grinder, I just ordered ground coffee (not according to Feng Shui). But fresh coffee arrived, not a store-bought week two after roasting. Well, that's not all. And I also realized that I was just frozen out by this whole procedure in the morning, when it was necessary to measure, pour, stir with a paper clip, knock on the table, press down with tempera, etc. And this jug of milk did not go to me at all. For me personally, heaven and earth with a cappuccino maker with a flexible tube.
Before that, I never made coffee. The most intense, exactly what I needed to get in my geyser coffee maker (it is believed that coffee in it is closest to espresso). In a Turk it is not that for me, in the French press even more so. The milk was whipped with a French press. Everything was perfect, but I wanted to indulge in a coffee maker. We bought Vityok after reading the reviews. Some people have delight. They did not take the road. And in the end, complete disappointment. Having played with it, I could not achieve the very taste I needed. And even the hassle of cooking. By the way, the foam-cream in it turns out great not because the machine is super or the coffee is properly prepared, but because there is an enhancer in the cone. In all inexpensive cars and in my Boch, if I'm not mistaken, the same.
Having suffered a complete fiasco, Vityok was sold and the geyser coffee maker was returned. And again we enjoyed delicious coffee. But I still wanted to have a coffee machine, now an automatic coffee machine, and not a carob coffee maker. Get up in the morning, press one button and coffee is ready. I wanted, wanted, my husband got tired of my wanted and he bought Bosch. Of course, I dreamed about Mielita Barista. She still remains my dream. There are so many flexible settings, just a million. And I, as it turned out, is very capricious (well, the nickname speaks for itself) and now I want individual profiles to be in the car. No, but Vityok and Bosch, heaven and earth, of course. But the price category is naturally different. And how quiet she is. The coffee grinder is ceramic, very soft sound and the cappuccino maker does not hiss like an abnormal one, but prepares foam quite delicately. Yes, I would also like to adjust the foam. There is too much of it for me)))





Now I'm trying different grinds, trying to adjust). And the milk drinks turned out to be too milk for us, cappuccino is kind of what we need, but the portion is small. And there is no portion adjustment. Therefore, we do it in manual mode. Separately black coffee, separately how much milk is needed)) (




P.S. If someone with Vitka has offended, forgive. This is my personal opinion and my personal experience.
Irinusik86
Happy holiday everyone !!! Thanks everyone for the advice. I bought myself a DELONGHI ECAM 22.110 for the new year very much. But as always the law of meanness, I waited, waited for a discount and did not wait, and when they brought me home, the next day in Eldorado, when buying this model, they gave an Eldo card for 6000 rubles. Well, fig with her (with a discount)
aprelinka
good evening! I read a temkoy, drooling on the floor. dragged on Ali to see what is. stumbled upon Philips 3000 series HD8827 / 09 for 14,995 rubles.
the price is pleasant however
what alarmed: in the reviews - that there are a lot of such machines in the workshops, there is no water sensor, low temperature of the finished drink
and I also have a steamer from this company, my brain is jammed, I just can't fix it
but! the price and the opportunity to become the owner of a coffee machine just break your brain
before that she forbade herself to even think about a coffee machine

Tell me something
I will be glad to all the advice because my brain now reacts only to want! but this is not right!
Thank you
Ledka
aprelinka, I took such a machine to the dacha. If there is no water, then the light flashes, the temperature of the coffee suits me, the milk foam makes good. I also have Phillips at home, only fancy. This does not make everything worse. And I took it to Ali for a good price plus a coupon. I was more afraid for delivery, such passions were written, but brought on the trail. day
$ vetLana
Coffee lovers, Happy New Year!

Quote: aprelinka
my brain now only reacts to want!
As far as I understand ! Unfortunately, I cannot help. I have Delongy. Maybe wait a bit (until the salads are eaten), those who own this coffee machine or understand them will come to Temka.




The first good review has already appeared
aprelinka
Ledka, $ vetLana, Thank you so much! I'll wait a little bit of course. I am reading forums now
waiting for more reviews
gawala
aprelinka,
Here is a look at the reviews of the masters, maybe this will help in choosing a car

🔗

aprelinka
gawala, Galya! Thanks, I already followed the link, alas, there is absolutely nothing about phillips there. but at least I read that the coffee machines break down.
saeco only without any particular complaints ...
Ledka
aprelinka, I like the reviews here 🔗
aprelinka
Ledka, Sveta! I've already read it. and the author advises de longues all the same. closed all tabs. you need to come to your senses first
already realized that the water sensor is not scary if the light is flashing.
I'm not a coffee gourmet enough to go into even greater jungle.
Sveta! tell me what about not very hot coffee?
I can only compare with a drip coffee maker. for coffee, the milk of course needs to be heated, otherwise ice coffee is obtained at the outlet

gawala
Quote: aprelinka
I'm not a coffee gourmet enough to go into even greater jungle.
All of us are not gourmets .. But I would still like to have no big problems with repairs and other troubles ..
Although, in any case, it's a lottery. You can buy some kind of Yura for 1000 euros and take it for repairs in a month or even worse throw it away .. Or you can buy an untwisted model and it will work perfectly. Although this happens almost never ..
As far as I remember Saeko and Phillips bought each other, I don’t remember who absorbed whom .. they began to release Saeko-. phillips. inexpensive models, but alas, the quality was not very good to say the least. I just saw shelves lined up in the warranty workshop of these Saeko-Filips ..
aprelinka
gawala,
Quote: gawala
I just saw shelves lined up in the warranty workshop of these Saeko-Filips ..
When I choose the technique, I stomp into Yulmart and see what's in the top from the repair. that's exactly what Phillips confuses me with.
I have a persistent feeling that the machines break down, repairs are very expensive
gawala
Quote: aprelinka
I have a persistent feeling that the machines break down, repairs are very expensive
Well everything breaks down. Alas.
here is coffee brewed in my Delongy, though my coffee is self-brewed.
Coffee machine
aprelinka
what foam
gawala
Quote: aprelinka
what foam
Yeah .. and keeps up decently in time .. does not disappear after 6 seconds
Tanyusha
Saeko was with me for 2 years, then something broke and the repair would cost me half the cost of the car, so there was a purchase of Delongia, which has been making me happy for 4 years.
marinastom
Hello everyone!
About Saeko. I have two XSmall babies have been plowing since 2011, in February, God willing, they will be seven years old. Both were under repair, but minor and at different times.
Yes, when I took it to the workshop, there really was, all the shelves were lined with our friends ...
But mine are working again, making us happy. One in the apartment, the second in a year-round dacha.
I think, as in everything, like the stars will fall ...
4udo
Hello everyone!
I chose a coffee machine at the end of 2016, but in the end the stars formed so well that I bought it at the end of 2017, on New Year's Eve 2018. Now I spoil myself in the morning with a cup of cappuccino
Thanks tmall, I saved a decent amount of money, for which I decided to buy another toy in the near future
Meet Delonghi ESAM 4500
Coffee machine
Thanks everyone for the recommendations!
Very happy with the purchase




Specifications

A type

espresso, automatic preparation

Number of groups
1

Used coffee

ground / grain

Heater type
thermoblock

Separate boilers

there is

Power

1350 Wt

Water tank volume

1.8 l

Maximum pressure

15 bar

Pressure gauge

no

Settings

coffee strength control, coffee temperature adjustment, hot water dose adjustment, pre-soaking, fast steam

Automatic decalcification
there is

Adjusting water hardness
there is

Possibility of making cappuccino

yes, automatic preparation

Timer
no

Auto power off
there is

Design

Integrated coffee grinder

yes, adjustment of the degree of grinding, capacity of the container for beans 200 g

Anti-drip system
no

Preparing two cups at the same time
there is

Backlight
there is

Display

there is

Dispensing hot water
there is

Warming cups
there is

Waste container
there is

Removable drip tray
there is

Features:

Body material

plastic

Water level indicator
there is

Power on indication
there is

Dimensions (W * H * D)

29x36x38 cm

Weight
10.5 kg

Additional Information

the volume of the reservoir for drops is 500 ml, the length of the power cord is 1.35 m; waste container for 14 portions; dispenser adjustment for cup height 80-110 mm

Coffee machine




Irinusik86, congratulations on your purchase! Let it serve for a long time to the delight of the hostess
aprelinka, I also considered Phillips (another one, really), but still they write sooo much about breakdowns, it really confused me.
On Ali, there are good stocks on Delongi, I bought mine for 23.5 tr, but someone generally took it for 19.5 tr, judging by the reviews.
gawala
Quote: 4udo
Delonghi ESAM 4500
It's a good car! Let her mistress please her with delicious coffee.
aprelinka
Hello everybody!
Well, I lost the battle with myself. my desire to save money on what is important, necessary, to turn on my brains somehow remained in the background.
I read the site 101 coffee machines as an exciting detective novel. I also scrolled through the Internet about freshly roasted coffee, pitchers and videos on how to whip milk into foam with Panarello
in short, I paid for it with Phillips 8827 for 14990 + delivery 800 with kopecks

By the way, blogger Dmitry recommends this model on the site too.
until the last moment she persuaded herself to wait for the action on Delongy. but it turned out to be stronger than me

pending.......
gawala
Quote: aprelinka
paid phillips 8827
We are waiting for impressions of the coffee machine ..
Irinusik86
And I read the site 101 coffee machines. Before that, I wanted to buy with a milk jug, but there it was so well described the whipping of milk with a nozzle that I dissuaded myself from the jug and saved 10 thousand.And I ordered a pitcher for Ali (of course, you can whip in a mug), but it seemed to me more convenient in a pitcher and the price for Ali is 450 rubles 550 ml (we don't have such prices at all from 1000 and the volume is 350 ml)




And on New Year's holidays I went to my mother, and she has a drip coffee maker (we have the same coffee), so she generally tastes good. Until I tried coffee from a coffee machine, I didn't even think about what kind of beef ... I drank from a drip coffee maker
gawala
Quote: Irinusik86
Before that, I wanted to buy with a milk jug, but there it was so well described the frothing of milk with a nozzle that I dissuaded myself from the jug
Well, we have such cheap jugs, somewhere around 30 euros .. so we bought two of these jugs, one in stock .. But, as life has shown, cappuccino is drunk extremely rarely, only when guests come .. And in general it's good that I didn't bother with pinschers ..

Quote: Irinusik86
what shit ..... drank from a drip coffee maker
I'll tell you a big secret. In our area, coffee is drunk mainly from drip coffee makers ... And surprisingly, drip coffee makers have people of good income. To my question, why not a complete machine, I somehow do not get an intelligible answer. Well, like, yes, normal coffee .. used to. Yes, here they hardly change their habits .. with very great difficulty ..
Irinusik86
And we have the opposite, we only drink coffee with milk. Since I drink all hot drinks without sugar, then just black coffee is very tart for me, and with milk, and even whipped into a strong foam (it will melt itself).this is not just coffee in the morning, it is some kind of ritual, well, very pleasant.
gawala
Quote: Irinusik86
, only with milk we drink coffee.
Also with milk ... but we are talking about cappuccino ..
We sell lactose-free milk, I always buy only it. So it is sweetish, so just coffee with milk, no whipped foam, sweet ..
GTI Tatiana
In practice, it is not very convenient to whip milk with a pan-plate, since there is only one heating tank. It takes time to prepare it. First coffee, then wait for heating and whip milk. I didn't play for a long time and began to whip milk in a teapot with a piston. The foam is excellent. And I love cappuccino. Therefore, I was already buying a machine.
Irinusik86
Oh, but it's convenient for me to whip with a nozzle. While she prepares the coffee, I take the milk out of the refrigerator and pour it into the pitcher. The coffee is ready, I press the steam button (the coffee machine is already warmed up), put the pitcher under the nozzle and wait about 15 seconds. All. Well, whoever is comfortable, the main thing is the result and taste
Bes7vetrov
And I first beat milk on my brielle, then, while the foam stabilizes, pour coffee (it was pressed and installed in the holder in advance) and try to draw ... But without a pitcher it turns out badly ((( can I have a link to Ali?
Irinusik86
I tried to insert a link to Ali, but they didn’t allow me to post an external link, and otherwise I don’t know how I don’t know how to draw yet, not even as a pitcher. Here I watch different videos of how people can do and I understand that my hands are growing from the wrong place
Kalyusya
Quote: Irinusik86
and I understand that my hands are growing from the wrong place
Oh, yes laaaad. My hands are fine, but I also failed.
It just takes practice.
aprelinka
Hello everyone! my car Phillips arrived yesterday 3000 8827
in the evening it was already late, fell asleep on the third page of the instructions))))
finally cleared a little.
The stupor was how to wash it out and in general, what should I do?
washed, poured out the first three cups completely
whipped panarella milk + a portion of espresso = cappuccino if I'm not mistaken

my coffee is selfish, but not fresh. chase them while the coffee machine tune
for me, an egoist in this version is very bitter

if I understand correctly, you can increase the grind

I already want a pitcher, because everything flies out of the cup. steam such a trickle does not go to the nursery

I'm sitting on a teistikof, I can't make a choice
I want to try to order a few packs of fresh roast for myself and my friends
thank you for support!!!! I didn't even think what would happen to me))))))





and who knows what washed coffee is and how it differs from unwashed coffee?
Kalyusya
Quote: aprelinka
and who knows what washed coffee is and how it differs from unwashed coffee?
Flax is a way of processing grain. Or drying in the sun and exfoliating the shell, or soaking in water to soak it.
There is a lot of information in the internet. And the difference is that only serious experts can tell.
aprelinka
its me again! I really want to share my impressions!
I think you will believe me that almost a pack of coffee flew away in two days
I called my mother for a tasting in the morning
I cooked this way and that for my husband, I set up experiments on my daughter

my strong coffee does not like. prefer with milk. want it to be the same
before it is: a teaspoon of instant coffee in a bucket of water, 4 tablespoons of sugar and more milk
daughter is even smaller and without sugar or half a spoonful of sugar

oh, I've already wiped the car three times. then my milk splashes, then I put it on - boiling water into the milk and everything flies. in short, hook handles

in the evening I went to play again.
whipped milk in a separate glass (waiting for the pitcher with Ali)
she poured boiling water from a steam pipe into two cups, placed it under the pipes from which coffee pours. then pressed 2 times espresso
it turned out a very decent foam of cream, and then milk foam on top
almost a heart came out on my daughter's cup))))
even in spite of the rather old grain, the result is a delicate taste of coffee with froth

I drank it with pleasure. straight purred
and yes, this coffee - you just want to drink without anything!

ps: I ordered 6 packs of different coffee for test (I found companions after all, delivery will be free). I realized that the sourness in coffee is not mine.really looking forward to what it will be like with freshly roasted coffee.

Hello everyone))))
gawala
Quote: aprelinka
the sourness in coffee is not mine. really looking forward to what it will be like with freshly roasted coffee.
Freshly roasted coffee without 5-day aging, coffee gurus are not recommended to brew in a coffee machine .. All arabica is put on sour. A bitter mixture of Arabica and Robusta. It is necessary to regulate the sourness more or less by the degree of grinding .. sugar and milk. Well, the degree of roasting also depends on the water. The harder the water, the more bitter the coffee .. The softer the water, the less bitterness ..
Well, something like this .. You will still use up a couple of packs, find the optimal grind, the right grain and everything will be fine.
aprelinka
gawala, Thank you !
I read a lot these days. on the website of the coffee it is said about 5 days. and the same amount of delivery is declared. very comfortably!!!!
I honestly did not quite understand it yet. I read that the finer the grinding, the stronger the coffee and vice versa. or more bitterness? there is no firm certainty here yet
but almost immediately mastered Panarello.
even earlier I tried to take coffee at discounts. now I understand why the price of coffee older than 6-12 months is being discounted so much.
I will be glad if you can advise the coffee that is sold in chains in case the ordered coffee is not at hand. specifically, I would like to know about Live coffee, it is always in Magnet. we do not have special stores very close.
gawala
aprelinka, Elena, I do not live in the Russian Federation, so I cannot advise anything. I don't know the coffee market in Russia. from imported iLLY, but it's expensive, it's expensive here too .. Well, you never know if you will be abroad, pay attention to it ..
You can choose according to your taste. Try every step of grinding .. Let a pack or two of coffee go away, but you will find the optimal coffee grind. As soon as you feel that yes, that's what you need, stop there ... And sugar and milk will help regulate the taste of coffee, remove excess, sour bitterness. I roast coffee myself, but I do not drink black coffee, my husband drinks, and only with sugar. I drink only with milk, when with sugar, when not, according to my mood. I set it up right away as it suits us and no longer touch the car .. I also "stole" a couple of packs ...
nata1
aprelinka, Congratulations on your purchase! I have also been ordering on "testicofe" for several months (by the way, their tea is also very good). Always fresh roast, and the price of some varieties is three times cheaper than in our city (you will not find it yet). I have tried many varieties, have already found a few of my own, I also don’t like sourness, try Brazil Santos and India Monsoon - these are the first that came to mind, with a very mild taste. They have a fairly accurate description of the shades of tastes, you can order a brochure with a description of the varieties. In general, of course, it is amazing how the taste depends on the place and conditions of coffee growing. You can't distinguish this in "store" packages ... I also read that there is more sourness in Phillips, bitter taste in Delongues, but this is probably if you can tell from both of them at once. I will add that I ordered only monosort, I do not like flavored, I only tried a couple of mixtures
GTI Tatiana
Quote: nata1
I don't like flavored, I've only tried a couple of mixtures
Flavored coffee cannot be used in coffee machines.




Quote: aprelinka
specifically, I would like to know about Live coffee, it is always in Magnet.
Maybe I was unlucky, but I never did Live Coffee from Magnet, etc. I didn’t please. A musty smell always made its way.
$ vetLana
In Magnet, I would not dare to buy. Ozone has a huge selection of coffee.
gawala
Ladies, you have a chain of coffee shops in the capitals that decorate coffee and sell it .. Freshly roasted coffee, for every taste. google or look for information on specialized forums ..
aprelinka
nata1, $ vetLana, GTI Tatiana, girls! thanks for your feedback !!!!!!
gawala, Galya! unfortunately there are no such places in my village 25 km from Tambov.
I asked in case the guests came by accident, but I don't have coffee
although there is a desire to hang up a notice in the corridor: let everyone remember to bring coffee beans with them for a cup of coffee
gawala
Quote: aprelinka
guests came by accident, but I don't have coffee
Coffee gurus recommend storing coffee in the freezer.It can be easily stored there for a couple of months without loss of quality and taste with aroma. Some even after roasting, put the coffee in the freezer ..

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