Pizza makers: Princess 115000-01, Tristar, GF, Travola, Clatroniс, etc. (2)

But there are also discounted 2970s - with the condition "like new"!

yeah ... and with a cut-down guarantee of up to 3 months, I overcame them all day today while I dug to the truth

[Rituslya]

Rituslya, Rita, congratulations! Now the pizza maker park is full!

[Rituslya]

Rituslya, Rita, congratulations! Now the pizza oven park is full!

it seems that Rita has had this set for a long time

I put very little - 2 tbsp and

sugar 2 tbsp total).

Olga, tell me, is this for how many eggs? And measuring spoons or ...?

a black trace appears on the top cover of my P1 (outlines of the heating element)

Oh, my this garbage, after a couple of months of an easy life, drew (without any towel covers there, by the way). First, the dark projection of the heating element, then the paint from the plastic began to bounce off in pieces, the out-flowing eye covered up this "kutuzov" even in the first days of his life, but she did not smell fired yet.

And for some reason I thought that there was no GF. Wrong?

[Lenochka]

Oh, giggle, devuli!
Lenochka,Yes, Marinochka the rights. My last purchase is the P-2, and Clathron is already a hundred years old at lunchtime.
Lenochka, I haven't had GFushki for a long time. She lived with me quite a bit. It didn't grow together, I didn't understand it.
I get these pictures from my bowels.

[Rituslya]

Rituslya, oh, that's it! And I thought that now, when Ozone lowered the price, it appeared, since you wrote about it. I don't have her only from the pizza ovens, so my soul hurts about her, although not just what to put, but even nowhere to shut up.

[Dasha 001]

Dasha 001congratulations
Today, thanks to you here, I fried potatoes and chicken in the GF. All right!

so my soul hurts about her,

oh, Lenochka, they are so similar that, for example, I don't have anything hot.
As the people say, these are the same (...), but only in profile. There are distinctive points, but in essence, everything is the same.
I understand that hotzza is ideal, but where can I find it ?!

Olga, tell me, is this for how many eggs? And measuring spoons or ...?

For 3 eggs and a glass of flour (250 ml) + 2 large Antonov apples, about 100 ml of milk ... ordinary tablespoons.

[Rituslya]

Rituslya, and why not merged with the GF? So, there are still differences, since you like something else more?
Girls, I understand that this topic has already gotten everyone, but really no one knows what temperature numbers should be on the lower and upper heating elements? It is clear that they are not written in the instructions, but in the service they somehow measure and determine whether the norm is or not. How much easier it would be to evaluate the operation of the stove without these comparisons here from photographs and subjective perception. I want objective criteria - numbers of the correct heating temperature.

[Mollie]

For 3 eggs and a glass of flour (250 ml) + 2 large Antonov apples, about 100 ml of milk ... ordinary tablespoons.

Mollie, Olya, thanks!
Yes, it's a bit in the context of traditional charlotte recipes in terms of sweetness.
But when it comes to browning the dough, that's enough! The dough, which is excellently browned in a multi-baker (as opposed to biscuit, for example, or Anise's pizza dough) contains 50 g of sugar (~ 2 tablespoons) per 450 g of flour. Some of this sugar is "eaten" by the yeast, the rest is enough for a normal blush (there is also an egg in the dough). So in your charlotte there is enough sugar for normal browning! And you also have milk in your recipe, which contains both sugar and amino acids!

I baked 25.

15 'and 25' are a big difference! For example, here
here, I showed a pie, half of which is greased with an egg, and the other is not. After 5 'from the start of baking from a cold device (Redmond multibaker) - the difference is visible, after another 7' (12 'from the start of baking) it is practically absent. And it's the same cake! And you compare 15 minutes with 25 ', a pizza maker with an oven. What does oil have to do with it?
And if there is a marriage, no oil will definitely help.

this topic has already gotten everyone

That's for sure...
Now I'm sitting, leafing through the first part ... everything is about the same, starting from the 14th year ...

[experienced]

As for the biscuit dough - Irina Vernissage writes right in the recipe - don't expect a blush (approximately). And the magically ruddy biscuits shown are sweet. This begs the question: maybe, for harmony, sugar was added to the dough? (rhetorical).
And unsweetened, this one:

definitely oiled, because it shines very badly!

And in all honesty, I don't understand the meaning of this discussion at all. She only confuses newbies. Debating experienced users, obviously, not only do not want to hear each other, but would rather prefer not to see each other. What is the meaning of this two-sided monologue? For yourself, you are right. That's wonderful! I wish you luck in parallel existence!

[Lena]

behold
here, I showed the pie ...

Thank you, Lena It is very visual and indicative.
For the rest, I'm just silent) ...

[Accomplishment]

Accomplishment.., yummy, it's good that I'm full

[Linen]

And the magically ruddy biscuits shown are sweet. This begs the question: maybe, for harmony, sugar was added to the dough?

Linen, I definitely don't add sugar to the dough to my plum biscuits, and why - I like the contrast of salty dough with sweet filling! And I don't grease with anything, and I don't put sugar on top of the dough, and I put less butter than Irina's. But everything blushes perfectly and nothing is overdried! The second biscuit turns out to be blush, well, this is understandable, since the stove is still hot when I turn it on. Here here you can take a look.

[Sibelis]

really no one knows what temperature figures should be

SibelisNatasha, if you want to make sure that your P2 is not working correctly, try to measure the temperature yourself. I measured in mine, the results described on page 84 answer 1666, I believe that my P2 works well, that it must fry, then fry. Maybe this will help you to make a conclusion about the work of your PP.

Yulik, hello! Well, you're in the GF. I get it, is she the most energetic? And your biscuit is not thin. And the blush is speckled, but not at all the same as in that photo with sweet. He's really magical there! Absolutely uniform!

Do you see what a beauty? Simply amazing!

[Linen]

And the blush is speckled

Yes, Linen these are in the GF, but in P1 they are the same for me! These stoves have a similar temperament, only in the GF it is controlled! Aha, a speckled blush - just like my pies! But the general background is still not pale - yellowish-golden, this is apparently the merit of soda in baking powder! And biscuits are perhaps the only baked goods in the GF that I bake at the maximum temperature!

So in your charlotte there is enough sugar for normal browning! And you also have milk in your recipe, which contains both sugar and amino acids!

Elena, thanks for the clarification! For myself, I concluded that it is necessary to reduce the time or temperature, since the GF has such an opportunity ...

[Pavlena]

Pavlena, thank you friend! I was just looking for specific measurements.
Accomplishment, it feels like we have some kind of deaf phone The meaning of the dialogue was this: I was told that in 15 minutes in a pizza maker, the oiled will not turn red, but in the oven it will turn red, because there is more time there. I replied that it was baked for 25 minutes, not 15. That's all.

[Natasha]

Natasha, not about your dialogue with Irina!
About a deaf phone - yeah, such thoughts arise

[Accomplishment]

Accomplishment, well, nicho, on Tuesday I'll pick up a brand new GF and calm down. Although...

I wish you a long and productive friendship!

[Sibelis]

Sibelis, Natasha, it's great that we chose GF! Congratulations! I use two at once - a couple of pizzas (or something else) are always happy to have guests!
I just adore this toon - the decanter (as the girls call it here)!

[June]

June,

Today the princess again climbed to open it with her bare hand, burned herself again with steam and again banged the lid, pulling her hand away. For the fifth time, probably, I do so. She said to herself that with such matters I would break it someday, and immediately went and broke the plate. In general, the thought is material)).

For the fifth time, probably, I do so.

It's even strange somehow.)) I read in the subject that you can burn yourself with steam when you open it, and for the first time, only wrapping your palm with a napkin, opened it. Then she got used to it with a spatula, then twisting the brush so that the palm was above the lid, and not over the steam and not open immediately, but slowly.
In short, if I was burned, then something was not left in my memory. One of two things - either I have sclerosis, or Biju is sometimes a trained animal.

[Bijou]

Bijou, I'm just an optimist in life!

[Sibelis]

Sibelis, eh? and I already decided that it was not a matter of care.

[Bijou]

Bijou, no, I just always believe that next time will be better)

So, I'm reporting.
I put two pizza makers side by side. One temperature (kitchen). I prepared a stopwatch on my smartphone. I twisted Tristar to the maximum in order to equalize, since they claim that the maximum heating is the same as that of Princess-1. And at the same time applied power to both stoves.

Tadaaam ...
The measurements involve the moments of switching off empty stoves upon reaching the maximum heating and moments of switching on for its correct maintenance.

Princess-1: o.4.49 - o.6.05 - o.7.50 - o.9.52
Tristar ......: o.5.22 __________________ v.10.10

The curtain. If at least one of the owners of several stoves had bothered to lay out at least something like that, Tristar would not have bought in life. And I also advised him to a good friend. The stove, in which the temperature is maintained so roughly, is generally incomprehensible by whom and for whom it was created. What difference does it make what the maximum temperature is, if it is allowed not to maintain it for almost five minutes? It is clear that the content stops boiling / roasting for this time.

[Bijou]

Bijou, I also have P2 working in about this mode. But for some reason I'm going for GF right now

But for some reason I'm going for GF right now

For belief in the best?

I accidentally poked the "order" button, and they called me back in 5 minutes and offered to pick up Chota rzhu tomorrow.

[Lena]

Lenawhat a fine fellow! Cool measurements - now it's clear why Tristarchik is so delicate! But it does bake after all, and not bad.

now it is clear why Tristarchik is so delicate!

He's not delicate, he's dumb. Agree, these are somewhat different things.))) For example, in the Shteba pressure cooker, the temperature spread during maintenance is only 2 (two!) Degrees. That is, it warmed up to the specified one - it turned off. Has cooled down 2 degrees below - turned on. Warmed up to the set - turned off. And how much talk about the fact that the maintenance of heat is incorrect and the indicators are jumping.

And here, it seems, the difference on the thermostat is 30-50 degrees.

Smooth heating has always been an asset for all heating devices. Imagine that an iron maintains its heat in a similar range! Will it be convenient when it burns, then cold?

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena! You can explain, for those who are in the tank, what when it turned on, turned off, etc. The essence is clear, but I did not understand the details according to your designations.

And here, it seems, the difference on the thermostat is 30-50 degrees

And yet, if it were so, would it not work? Didn't bake, did you fry? Not? And I spent the whole summer at the dacha only in it - I left the Princess's coast at home ...

[Masha Ivanova]

Masha Ivanova, it turned off when the set (maximum) temperature was reached - "o", the heating turned on again - "c".
The more often this happens, the more accurately the temperature is maintained.

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, okay!

Princess-1: o.4.49 - o.6.05 - o.7.50 - o.9.52

The GF has a similar algorithm! Before reaching the max, it really took me 5 minutes 30 seconds, but then the light signals on and off after 1 minute 40-50 seconds.

But it does bake after all, and not bad.

Bakes perfectly, photos in the subject in bulk.
And they work for me in the same way with P1 (not measurements, namely cooking).

Pizza, potatoes, cutlets, vegetables, tortillas ... are no different.

Apparently, I'm calm and the stoves are good

If at least one of the owners of several stoves bothered to lay out at least something like that, Tristar would not have bought in life

I wrote about this, but everyone assured that everyone works in a completely different way. Therefore, no one heard me.

And they work for me in the same way with P1 (not measurements, namely cooking).

No, no, I have very different ways!
At first I blunted it and decided that he just had a lower maximum temperature. And on the second try it dawned on me that he was making too long pauses between switching on. Since the Princess has been watching for several years, you notice such things subconsciously.)) And you turn on the brain and it starts to feel like you are winding yourself up. With a stopwatch, I went through the algorithms. You can't argue against facts.

I wrote about this, but everyone assured that everyone works in a completely different way.

So ot ... Until you see and feel it yourself, there is always a hope that someone has problems, and everything will be fine with me.

You can't argue against facts.

Facts, they are such facts)))
We have enough of them in the subject
Yes, and, almost everyone is satisfied with the work of the stove.

Maybe the stove is not quite conscious either.

Maybe the stove is not quite conscious either.

If she turns on as often, at least like the Princess, then she is definitely lucky!

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, right now I looked at her Tristar - the first switch-on - after 4 minutes 10 seconds, the next switch-on after 2 minutes 30 seconds. In my opinion, everything is fine, the boy is smart - for which I love Yes, and there are no complaints about baking / cooking. And, by the way, no burns to the hands - absolutely cold handle, and no steam.