Lerele
Mirabel, Do you have flea markets ?? I here accidentally taxied, so even in our village I saw a couple, one generally in an unpacked box was for three kopecks. I've seen them before. You can just buy and try, if you really like it, you can take a cool one in the store.
Mirabel
Lerele, You know, we have flea markets (we call brocans) unfinished (sorry) I mean in Brussels. I was on them too. This junk is for sale
It happens in the villages too, this is a completely different conversation, but to bake a packed pizza for 3 kopecks ... nope. I have not seen this.
Why didn't you buy something new? ay yay yayayay ...
And before I had no idea that there are special ovens for pizzas, I thought that all of them were baked in ovens.
Rada-dms
I'm still wondering if there is such an effect in it, as in any cupcake makers, when a too hot lid does not allow the dough to rise, it turns out denser !?
mur_myau
Olga y,
I did not find it in the grills, according to the "announcements" too. I also searched for pizza maker, pizza maker and princess brand and through yandex.
Can you provide a direct link? Let's wait together.

Quote: Mirabel
Or is Bestron already necessary ...
Didn't even see what it was? What is the name of the model in the Latin alphabet? Is it cheaper than princesses or comparable?
Olga y
Yes, there is. I went to the grills section - no it. In the announcements for a long time I check nirazu did not jump out. I have it on the waiting list.
Why did they hide her from us. I’m already thinking, do I need her or not? Having a BBK grill, you can also bake pizza in it, the principle is the same, but will it turn out the same or not?
Bottling
mur_myau, link to the Princess 🔗
Elena Gar
[url] [/urlhttps://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/s-image/2569/piccamejker-princess-115000.html. In Moscow, I bought here.
Lerele
Mirabel, I do not need it categorically, I bake pizza a couple of times a year, and the apartment is not rubber.
And we call it that - a flea market, from the word Floh - flea, Flohmarkt, flomarkt.
MarinaK
Princesska came to me, I already have a pizza maker, but another one, I already wrote about it once. Now I will test this. You can also try to make a sweet yeast dough pie in it. The height should be low, since this stove is low. I wonder if the dough will burn or not? The surface is rough on her
Elena Gar
I still can't make pizza, Matnakash baked. Pizza oven Pizza ovenPizza oven
MarinaK
It looks tempting, but can you share the recipe?
Elena Gar
The recipe was taken on the forum my bread maker, however, there it was given for the AG, here is the link, if possible 🔗
Tashenka
For some reason, the link does not open for me ...
Elena Gar
oh, it didn't work, the link changes for some reason, here's the recipe: 500g flour
1 tsp with top yeast (I put 11g pressed)
1/2 tsp sugar
2/3 tbsp salt
350ml warm water
2 tablespoons rast butter
Pelmeni program - 20 minutes. (The dough should be watery, not steep, there is no kolobok) Having slightly formed a kolobok in flour, put it on a flat form.
Mirabel
mur_myau, Neee, much cheaper;) It will be more expensive. But there is almost everything, like a Ferrari. Both stone and temperature. We have both.
Bestron she spelled.
Mirabel
Elena, You and your helper make very tempting cakes!
Bottling
MirabelAnd Ferrari has the same diameter as Bestron? Someone wrote that the Ferrari stone is not removable. Is it so? If they differ only these, then Bestron is probably better.
Mirabel
BottlingIf you are interested in details about Bestron, this is how Masha talked about everything a few pages earlier.
Ferrari is the most powerful and expensive. Bestron is a little weaker and not worse at all, I think. But where the stones are removed, where not, I do not remember. Is it very important?
Masinen
On Bestron, the stone is removed, which is convenient for cleaning.
Bestron heats up to 350 gr, and Ferrari up to 400 or something)
But Bestron on 350 gr bakes pizza in 5 minutes, really!
I don't know Ferrari)
win-tat
Quote: Nalya

Someone wrote that the Ferrari stone is not removable. Is it so?
I have a Ferrari and the stone is not removable there
Mirabel
Well, then there is absolutely nothing to give such money for a Ferrari, the bestron is not worse at all, and even more convenient
mur_myau
Quote: Olga y
I have it on the waiting list.
From there you can go to the product page. Please send a direct link. I'll add to wishlist too.

Quote: Nalya
reference to the princess
Thank you! I saw there, but with this store I have never started about orders. Ozone is more familiar.

Quote: Mirabel
Nooo, much cheaper It will be more expensive.
Clear. How much more expensive? About what price?

Quote: Mirabel
Bestron she spelled.
Thanks, I'll look.

Quote: Masinen
On Bestron, the stone is removed, which is convenient for cleaning.
Bestron heats up to 350 gr, and Ferrari up to 400 or something)
But Bestron on 350 gr bakes pizza in 5 minutes, really!
I don't know Ferrari)
Thanks for the comparison !!!

I think I still want either princesses or bestron. But the Ferrari didn't want to.
Mirabel
Elena, Bestron about 70-80 euros.
Innusik
Girls, I have a Ferrari, there is nothing to compare with others, but when friends come, they say that it is better than from other pizzerias combined
Olga y
Quote: mur_myau

From there you can go to the product page. Please send a direct link. I'll add to wishlist too.
I tried to do that yesterday. It doesn't work, the link leads to the main page. and all and by
ID 27975855 product search is useless, I already had it with Russell's grill, only I see it and that's it! There was pizza baking in the grills section not as a novelty, but as a bestseller Princess 115000 pizza maker electric frying pan. Hid and for now, you need to watch. I can’t help.
MarinaK
Quote: mur_myau
Thank you! I saw there, but with this store I have never started about orders. Ozone is more familiar.
Elena, I ordered through this store, delivered for our remote area quickly enough, without delays, of course I had to pay extra for delivery
Bottling
I studied this whole topic. And now I know for sure that I want a Ferrari. This topic has been open since 2007, and for over 6 years it has been impossible to buy a pizza maker in Russia. Why? Indeed, in our country they also love pizza very much (judging by the number of pizzerias in our cities). Now all that remains is to somehow contrive and order this Ferrari.
Mirabel
BottlingWhy Ferrari? Is 50g very important to you? There are Trebs, Bestron, Ariette. In my opinion, everyone is worthy. There is also a German company that has forgotten its name.
CurlySue
Bliiiiin, why did I go into this topic?
Now I also want Bestron.
Googled, there are for 75 Euros, they also write that there can be discounts up to 50% if they are ready to wait 10-20 days ...
In general, who will be interested:
🔗
I understand, for the inhabitants of Russia.
Mirabel
Elena, Oh and don't say. I also lived very calmly without much, and now the peace is completely lost.
win-tat
Quote: Innusik

Girls, I have a Ferrari, there is nothing to compare with others, but when friends come, they say that it is better than from other pizzerias combined

Likewise. And they are also stunned by the speed of baking. As for the non-removable stone, it does not bother me at all, the instructions say that the stone will darken over time and this is normal, and they suggest cleaning with the finest sandpaper.
Bottling
Mirabel,
Quote: Mirabel
Why Ferrari? Is 50g very important to you? There are Trebs, Bestron, Ariette. In my opinion, everyone is worthy. There is also a German company that has forgotten its name.
Initially I wanted a Ferrari, then it began to storm in the direction of Bestron, I did not consider others, since in Russia they still will not blow anything (For me, this is a big mystery). This month it is my birthday and my husband has already asked what I want to receive as a gift. All that remains now is to beg my son to try and order it for me. (Of course, at a reasonable price. Although a gift, but the budget is family).
Mirabel
Bottling, Good luck!
I think we need to ask all sellers in Ibei and Amazons about delivery to Russia
And if you want, I can help you. We have them. That Ferrari is also there. But expensive
Bottling
Mirabel, I have never bought on foreign sites, so I hope for my son's help (my son lives separately and works a lot) And it is expensive for you - how much is it? I would be very happy to help. Now I tried to register at shops.mercatos in order to find out about the possibility of acquiring Bestron, but I do not know what will come of it. I will wait for an email. mail.In the first place I have Ferrari, in the second Bestron.
CurlySue
Girls, I looked closely at the videos on YouTube, and here are my impressions:
Ferrari is better, not only because of the temperature of +50 degrees (IMHO, not essential), but because Ferrari's shade is higher than that of Bestron, because the pizza dough in Bestron burns slightly on top.
You can see it on the videos. Just take a look. I don't argue with anyone, maybe it doesn't burn with you. But from what I watched a dozen videos, almost all of them have a burnt top on the sides (in Bestron).

Sens
Quote: CurlySue
almost all have a burnt on the sides of the top (in Bestron).
and what will the owners of Bestrone say to this
Masinen
My pizza dough doesn't burn anywhere, I can't even imagine where it might burn)
Mirabel
Elena, The videos are generally unsuccessful IMHO, at least those that I saw. Maybe they just overloaded the pizza.
And Bestron's owner has already given her answer. Personally, I believe more people reviews from the forum than "specialists" from YouTube
Rada-dms
I read reviews on foreign sites, some made fun of it, like: "Disadvantages: it is useful to wait in line and a lot of money goes to the dough"
Mirabel
Rada-dms, Oh, yes, stupid (sorry) they sometimes have reviews.
Either they do not use enough recipes, or the slow cooker has already "eaten" a lot of electricity from a French madame. What nonsense!
Rada-dms
I continue to choose the oven, maybe such information will be important to someone. If someone specifically needs it, I will comment on the selection results.
Un modello con una resistenza preferibilmente tonda! ML - Optima - G3Ferrari Napoli

in G3Ferrari Napoli fa modelli di qualità inferiore made in China:
Art. 101 / ML Pizza Express '' Napoli''Rosso 1XP20200 5.50 kg calotta interna in acciaio inox, made in Italy.

Art. 101 / ML Pizza Express '' Napoli''Rosso 2XM00200 5.50 kg calotta interna in acciaio inox, made in Italy.

Art. 101 / ML Pizza Express '' Napoli''Rosso 2XM00202 5.60 kg calotta interna in acciaio inox, made in Italy.

Art. 099 / R Pizza Euro Express '' Napoli '' Rosso 2XM01401 4.80 kg calotta interna in Acciaio cromato made in China.

Art. 099 Pizza Euro Express '' Napoli '' Nero 2XM01400 4.5 kg calotta interna in Acciaio cromato made in China.

Optima:
Art. 101 / ML Pizza Express '' Napoli '' Rosso 2CXP3020 5.50 kg calotta interna in acciaio inox, made in Italy.

Art. 5XP09900 Pizza Express Happy Hour Nero 4.80 kg calotta interna in Acciaio cromato made in China.

Art. 5XP09900 Pizza Express Happy Hour Giallo 4.80 kg calotta interna in Acciaio cromato made in China.

You definitely need to buy with a stainless steel dome, because cleaning the chrome steel dome will damage the coating.
It is preferable, of course, a round heating element, and not "omega-shaped", as the Italians write, since with a round element, the edges are baked more evenly.
Pizza oven
Replacement of heating elements (for round ones) and stones is possible.
It is not recommended to take the Delizia model, there is something wrong with the parameters of the heaters.
All Italians strive to achieve the highest oven temperature, up to the refinement of the reflector - gluing with foil and other reflectors to increase the temperature to 500 degrees, write that the result is excellent.
It seems like in Optima pizza express Napoli the distance from the heater to the stone is the greatest.
This is preliminary information and requires clarification.

I found just such a hint, pay attention to the handles and holes in the lid.
China has oval holes and a low handle (they write that it is hot).
Pizza oven

Today I am looking for such
Pizza oven
Sens
Quote: Rada-dms
Today I am looking for such
is it better than a ferrari?
Mirabel
Sens, Yes, until you try how to understand.
Have you already made up your mind and changed your mind?
Sens
Mirabel, but I can’t make up my mind! degrees, stones are removable ...
Can you already choose a Ferrari and not a muchazza?
Mirabel
Sens, I don't know myself ... Okay. that I have this purchase planned for the future, maybe to NG ... that's all I'm waiting for Bestronov to buy everything and will praise-praise-praise! And everyone doubts and ponders ...
Although Masha is already happy and her pizza turns out to be very beautiful.
Bottling
Since I am actively looking for a pizza maker, I got to the forum of pizza lovers 🔗 (maybe anyone needs it)
Masinen
Bestron has a round heating ten)))
The handle is at the front and therefore not hot)
Well, some pluses))
Sens
Masinen, and what about the Ferrari?
Mirabel
Maria, Yes exactly! That everyone there doubts!
Masinen
SensI honestly don't remember.
I saw her alive, but at that moment I did not even pay attention to the ten.

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