Dryer for vegetables Volter-1000

Grab your assistant and run to the store while there is a guarantee.
Show the dryer, let it be turned on and measure the temperature in front of you, why it began to heat up more, why the coating began to wave.

And demand not a repair, but a complete replacement of the device. With such a defect, the dryer cannot be turned on and cannot be used either.

In principle, it is useless for us to ask such questions, it's just time to waste.

[Paul I]

Quote: Igrig from Yesterday at 01:48 PM
Fan noise is significant.
Well, it is the air flow that makes noise. You can make it quieter, but this will reduce the air flow rate and accordingly increase the drying time.

You know Paul I, after your here this comment I am 100% sure that no dryer came to you. Because Voltaire has only one handle - Temperature Control. And from an increase or decrease in temperature, the air flow from the fan does not decrease - this parameter is not regulated in Voltaire. I don’t understand why you’re writing about a device that you didn’t hold in your hands - only you are misleading people.

Added on Friday 30 Sep 2016 04:27 PM

2. Have we violated the warranty by our actions?

Elena, This is not a photograph, but simply ... without words !!! But you definitely violated the guarantee by getting inside the dryer, now you can rely only on the conscience and goodwill of the manufacturer: this is the case when, after your manipulations, they can legally refuse warranty repair, alas.

But you definitely violated the guarantee by getting inside the dryer, now you can rely only on the conscience and goodwill of the manufacturer: this is the case when, after your manipulations, they can legally refuse warranty repair

Maybe the seller will change (just don't say that they opened it).

Maybe the seller will change (just don't say that they opened it).

It would be great if it worked out that way, but Elena writes that they processed the blades with a file - if only it was not noticeable there.

[mish]

There are several questions regarding the situation:
1. Why did the lower block cover warp?
2. Have we violated the warranty by our actions?

There are no words. The only question is, is this Voltaire or Voltaire Lux?
In the Suite, it is like ABC plastic, but it must keep the temperature up to 250 degrees. Obviously the thermostat has broken, but why didn't the thermal fuse go off? Opening the device is, of course, a violation of the warranty, but in your case, I suppose, you can insist on a warranty repair, since it is obviously the manufacturer's fault.

Added Saturday 01 Oct 2016 01:20

You know, Paul I, after your comment here, I am 100% sure that no dryer came to you. Because Voltaire has only one handle - Temperature Control. And from an increase or decrease in temperature, the air flow from the fan does not decrease - this parameter is not regulated in Voltaire. I don’t understand why you are writing about a device that you didn’t hold in your hands - only you mislead people

I know!
I have it for the second day without stopping plowing, will soon go on the third. I want to test for strength. After all, sometime it should break or melt, as in the previous post.
mish, dear, you shouldn't tell me about the intricacies of the dryer, especially in this tone. This, believe me, does not decorate you like an intelligent Petersburg woman. I am an electrical engineer by basic education and I know what I am saying. The conversation was about design changes to the device, and not about the current adjustments. And you should have asked if you understood everything correctly before running into.Well, in any case, well-mannered people who respect themselves and others do this.

is it Voltaire or Voltaire Lux?

Voltaire.
I wrote to the plant. They promised to give an answer from a specialist. I'll keep you informed.

keep the temperature up to 250 degrees

Ours was not so hot, it didn't burn my hands. Maybe it's on the case, but the internal temperature was higher? But it's still strange.

Voltaire.

Clear. Their first batches of Volter were made of ordinary cheap food-grade plastic and, judging by our Sukhovoy, it was driven, even at temperatures of about 70 degrees. Now there is ABS plastic and such things should not be.

Ours was not so hot, it didn't burn my hands. Maybe it's on the case, but the internal temperature was higher? But it's still strange.

By no means, it is quite natural. Inside, the temperature is much higher and can rise over 100 degrees.

Inside, the temperature is much higher and can rise over 100 degrees.

Honestly, whence such conclusions Well, boiling water right now, scald hands and face. Why scare the public?
I have as many as TWO dryers (Orson maximum 70 * and Isidri maximum 55 *) and NEVER !!!! I did not observe that the temperature inside the dryers rises to such a level Inside the dryer there is also through ventilation (above and below the base), which will not allow such temperature changes and its strong accumulation inside

A high-quality dryer will always maintain the manufacturer's declared temperature inside and out (with slight deviations of several degrees). This is confirmed by professional tests.

[Paul]

Paul, I'm already starting to be afraid of you, with your extreme conclusions as a specialist in household appliances
In the topic "combines" you put the whole audience on the ears with your knowledge
Now they have moved here, to scare people

Of course, I'll wait, read your opuses ...
But, if your conclusions are not supported by facts and meaning, you will have to return to the "combines" section.

I ask you to treat the infe that you bring to the forum and publish it here

Voltera's first games

I have a dryer since July 1. d. Are these the "first parties"?

Are these the "first parties"?

The batch is the date the dryer was manufactured. The date should be viewed on the dryer itself, somewhere on the base. There should be a date, batch, year of issue.
And it often happens that the release date does not coincide with the sale date. In principle, this is normal.

In the Suite, it is like ABC plastic, but it must keep the temperature up to 250 degrees.

Let me enlighten you a little: no ABS plastic can withstand temperatures of 250 degrees. As a plastic professional I tell you this as an electrical engineer. (There is a special grade of ABS - heat-resistant ABS, but it also holds up to a maximum of 140 degrees.) For one simple reason - it just starts to melt at a temperature of about 100 degrees. At 200 degrees, it is simply liquid and at this t it is usually poured (that is, they do the right things). At 250 degrees, plastic degradation will begin, roughly speaking, "burned out". I will definitely say, they are made from ordinary ABS varieties!
Now about polypropylene, from which the modification is not made "Lux". It comes in: homopolymer, block copolymer and random copolymer. So the random can withstand about 130-140 degrees, you can look at the bottom of the containers for storing food, it is indicated there. But! Doubt they are made from random, almost sure that from a block copolymer. And it has a maximum operating temperature almost the same as that of ABS - about 100 degrees. But RANDOM EXPENSIVE! But who knows these manufacturers, because in order to reduce the cost, they can, frankly, use the wrong brand at all
PS. Homopolymer has physical properties much lower than other types of PP (except for transparency), and naturally it is cheaper, but it is usually made from the most primitive kitchen and household utensils.
Sorry for the verbosity, but the truth is more precious!

[Igor]

Igor, your message was very helpful, no apologies .. thanks!

Honestly, whence such conclusions Well, boiling water right now, scald hands and face. Why scare the public?

Physics, golimy physics.
In order not to be unfounded, carried out a measurement with a laser infrared thermometer IRT 260
When the regulator was set to 60 ° C, the following results were obtained:
- flow temperature at the inlet (on - off) - 67-78 ° С
- flow temperature at the outlet of 3 pallets (on - off) - 59-61 ° С
The temperature at the thermal fuse is 120 ° C. And this is when the airflow is on!
It is clear that the temperature of the heating coil is even higher.
When the regulator is set to 70 ° C, these values ​​will be even higher.

So, dear Tatiana, "boiling water, right now, scald your hands and face" strongly depends on the place of the working block in which you stick. Well, the temperature on the pallets, for obvious reasons, is quite uniform.

What pleased the "Aviary 1000 Lux" in contrast to the one shown in the previous review "Aviary 1000".
An autopsy showed that the developers took into account their jambs and significantly increased the reliability of the device.
So, in addition to the thermal fuse RY169 Tf169 ° С at 10A (it works either when the current or temperature is exceeded. This is 120 ° С on it), a bimetallic thermostat at 85 ° С KSD250-P was added to the circuit. It reversibly turns off the device when the air flow temperature exceeds the specified temperature. Thus, a two-stage protection is realized, practically eliminating situations with overheating, such as shown above.



bimetallic thermostat 85 ° С KSD250-P


thermal fuse RY169 Tf169 ° С

[Paul I]

mish, dear, you shouldn't tell me about the intricacies of the dryer, especially in this tone. This, believe me, does not decorate you like an intelligent Petersburg woman. I am an electrical engineer by basic education and I know what I am saying. The conversation was about design changes to the device, and not about the current adjustments. And you should have asked if you understood everything correctly before running into. Well, in any case, well-mannered people who respect themselves and others do this.

Paul IFirstly, I am not "dear" to you, and I should not blame the tone at all (look at yours) and make mistakes in the word "peterburger"! Secondly, as I already mentioned, my husband, an OVIK engineer, read your previous post and laughed. Actually, his words that you do not understand anything about aerodynamics, but at the same time trying to teach others. Thirdly,

Quote: Paul I on Sep 29. 2016, 23:56
Quote: Igrig from Yesterday at 01:48 PM
Fan noise is significant.
Well, it is the air flow that makes noise. You can make it quieter, but this will decrease the air flow rate and accordingly increase the drying time.
You know, Paul I, after your comment here, I am 100% sure that no dryer came to you. Because Voltaire has only one handle - Temperature Control. And from an increase or decrease in temperature, the air flow from the fan does not decrease - this parameter is not regulated in Voltaire. I don’t understand why you’re writing about a device that you didn’t hold in your hands - only you are misleading people.
More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...opic=430121.new;topicseen

Sometimes read what you write: you wrote about the possibility of making Voltaire's air flow quieter - I answered you. If you mean something other than what you said, then learn to express your thoughts more clearly before throwing accusations of raids. And fourthly, to be honest, from the mass of your words, only the infinite "apparently" can easily be isolated, which only speaks about your theoretical speculative ideas: I remind you that initially you promised to give this dryer YOUR OWN review, and when people became interested, they quickly referred to a stranger, they say, "you can't say better." And where is your promised? And, before praising the device without YOUR promised review (in fact, unfounded), especially after so many posts with breakdowns, remember that a normal buyer wants to get the product and use it without any problems,and not to climb inside in an attempt to "bring to mind" something there, changing the burning fuses, undermining the fan, etc., and even more so, does not want to run around the guarantees, while the season passes, and the products calculated under drying, disappear.
While I was writing the message, yours appeared. I am glad that at least some photos and a review have appeared (I take my words back about unfounded evidence, hoping that these are still your photos). I will study it with pleasure. But this does not explain in any way what happened to Elena's dryer and does not negate the fact that for our money we want to receive a normal product, not a designer.

And where is your promised?

Above, just above your post.
I can also add to all the above reviews and to what was said above that it has been working for the third day without interruption and has not yet broken down.
And what else would you like to hear?

Added Saturday 01 Oct 2016 07:45 PM

But this does not explain in any way what happened to Elena's dryer and does not negate the fact that for our money we want to receive a normal product, not a designer.

I think about it myself.
Apparently her Aviary has only a fuse, but it works from 169 ° C, which is too late for plastic (once again I apologize for the jamb with ABS plastic. I looked in the wrong place in the reference book). Well, with a failed capillary thermostat, we get what we see. And you can't put less next to the spiral. Will burn continuously.

Added Saturday 01 Oct 2016 08:46 PM

Of course, I'll wait, read your opuses ...

They cleaned it up again and no thanks ...
Okay, stay on your own in your sauce.
I don't really need anything from you. With Walter, everything is clear to me. I wrote for you here, wasting time.

Good day, dear forum users!
Soon I will continue to harvest on my dryer.
At the beginning of the week, technicians from the plant contacted me and, without asking unnecessary questions, ordered me to send the dryer back to production "without rigid packaging, since the plastic will go to the cutting." And they, without waiting for the marriage, will send me a dryer with a drip thermostat. Now I'm looking for a suitable box, the factory one is too big for the heat block.
It's too early to rejoice, but I already feel a huge relief.
I will unsubscribe as the parcel arrives.

[sshelen]

sshelenwhat good news. It's nice that the manufacturer is so prompt

[Elena]

Elena, great news!

and, without asking unnecessary questions, they ordered the drying machine to be sent back to production "without rigid packaging, since the plastic will be used for cutting." And they, without waiting for the marriage, will send me a dryer with a drip thermostat.

well, honestly, they could somehow explain what happened, apparently they know somewhere behind their product a sin that is not registered anywhere, therefore they are trying to solve the problem "without unnecessary questions." Thank you for making a decision - it does them credit. It's just a shame that the season is over. Elena, I am so glad for you that they will replace the dryer, I even read your message to my husband - we were very worried after your photos!

Who knows if you can buy extra in Moscow. plastic pallets and pallets for marshmallow or only by mail from the manufacturer's factory (so that the price is as from the factory and not 900 rubles per pallet as some online stores sell). Maybe there is some kind of store or point from the factory, it seems like it's off. service center in Moscow. Can you tell me the phone ...

[pandmitrij]

pandmitrij, service centers are listed on the manufacturer's website, take a look.

Who knows if it is possible to buy an add-on in Moscow. plastic pallets and pallets for marshmallow or only by mail from the manufacturer's factory (so that the price is as from the factory and not 900 rubles per pallet as some online stores sell). Maybe there is some kind of store or point from the factory, it seems like it's off. service center in Moscow. Can you tell me the phone ...

You can buy in Moscow, I myself recently bought a Lux dryer and add. pallets for her + for marshmallow + nets were available. The price seems to be adequate. I threw the phone in a personal, maybe it will suit you.

And give me a number please, I urgently need to get it.

I ran into the problem outlined above: during normal drying operation (1000 lux volter) at 60 degrees, this is what happened (photo).

In addition, with 5 pallets, a similar problem - the internal geometry of the pallets has changed from the high temperature. From round - to polygonal.
At 40 degrees, the drying mode is normal, there is no excessive heating, and at 60 degrees - the oven. The noise has not changed, the fan is still running.

But ... I give credit to the manufacturer. Yesterday I wrote to them, they immediately answered, today they called back and informed them that they would completely replace the dryer, 6 deformed pallets and 5 pallets for marshmallows. All shipments are at their expense. The replacement will be for the drying of the new version "with a drip thermostat", as soon as they receive from me a copy of the receipt for sending the dryer to their address by cash on delivery.
Communication with representatives of the plant is more than pleasant.
The post by sshelen helped me, so I decided to register here and share the info for the rest. (I bought a dryer in June, largely under the influence of the discussion on this site).
About the drying itself, the reviews are extremely positive, despite this embarrassment. Moreover, with this level of warranty service. Only pallets need to be bought to the maximum, and I took only 10. So it will be more economical and faster to "fight against the harvest".
A big bow to Tatyana Admin, we have stood and will stand on your recipes and advice.

(volter 1000 lux)

Isn't there a smooth temperature control on the Volter 1000 lux? Probably 40/60 degrees is just a Walter 1000.

Smooth adjustment has appeared since June somewhere. Mine - produced in January of this year. It differs only in abs-plastic from "non-lux".

[Before turning off it is necessary to cool the coil by turning the temperature controller to a minimum]

There is a very important point in the instructions. Before turning off it is necessary to cool the coil by turning the temperature controller to a minimum... This is due to the fact that, unlike Isidra (I don’t know what kind of heating element there), the spiral in Walter is hollow. Plus the fact that the part is cheap and the replacement is 15 minutes. Minus in overheating of plastic in case of not observing this point. For the spiral does not cool down instantly and at its temperature over 250 degrees and close to the lid, it may well cause irreparable damage to the product.
And the quality of the thermostat of the first devices left much to be desired. I don’t have exact data, but it’s easy to assume that at 60 degrees, in reality, some dryers, due to the quality of the thermostat, gave out temperatures closer to 80-90 degrees, which is quite enough for softening and subsequent deformation of the plastic.

Hello. I have been using Voltaire Suite (others are no longer available) for the second night
Drying the harvest of apples! While everything suits me, I was surprised by the drying performance, but the useful load seemed not large enough - drying is capable of more and I decided to modify it a little by placing the apple slices vertically in a stainless steel one. spiral wire (see photo).
The result is more than successful. For 8 hours at 60C, the tray with spirals (along with the rest of the usual ones) was completely ready. A dozen slices, especially thick and tightly laid to each other, are not completely dry, but if you equip all the trays with spirals, you can increase the time to 10 hours and everything will dry out guaranteed.
When laying flat, we have 3 apples on the tray, and on the spiral - 10-11 apples
It is convenient to lay, but to take out is more difficult, if the spirals are not fastened, then you simply shake them out later, I tied them to the tray - I had to dig deeper.




My wife took a sample in the morning

Here ...

Ed. insert photo here ... figured out in general.

Added Wednesday 12 Oct 2016 08:59

In general, the dryer is a dream! Of course, like everything domestic, it is demanding on the technical level of the user, but what room for an upgrade ... Warpage of the fan cover, IMHO, is a consequence of either an incorrect shutdown (the manufacturer's jamb - what if the light goes out? Hello Voltaire ...), or a refusal thermostat (on the last batches it was fixed by installing additional thermostat 85C).It is easily solved by fixing heat-insulating gaskets on the inner surfaces of the blowing block (like foil-clad mica cardboard), Volzhsky saves on everything.
I just didn't get to the motor, are there bushings or bearings?

Here it is, the inventors on the forum Well done!

Before turning off it is necessary to cool the coil by turning the temperature controller to a minimum

I was talking about normal operation, that is, according to the instructions. This includes:

• cooling at the end of work
• installation of at least 5 pallets
• continuous work no more than 48 hours
• installation of solid pallets for marshmallow from the bottom of the dryer
• unobstructed air from above and below

More than 200 kilograms of fruits and vegetables (zucchini, tomatoes, mushrooms, apples, peppers) were overdried during the season, there were no problems.
In addition, deformation of 6 out of 10 pallets installed during a simple stop is impossible. This indicates prolonged exposure to temperature.

So, I agree with Mishutka_tlt: the problem is obviously in the thermostat.
Thanks for the spiral idea. Where did you get it or what was it made of? Dimensions?
Looking at the slicing of apples, I can tell you that using an electric slicer (slicer) helps very well for even drying. I cut apples, usually 6 or 6.5 mm with peel. I shoot at the same time, there is already accumulated statistics on the time / thickness of cutting, adjusted for the temperature on the balcony, not more than 3% underdried. Children usually eat them during the day. This results in significant savings in time and effort.
Yes, the drying time for apples ranges from 7.5 to 8.5 hours.

[angora77721]

angora77721, from your first batch, I bought at the end of March, from me (I already wrote more than once) the second batch, the seller said that there were a lot of defects and returns from the first. I have (mmm) - super, I can't get enough of it, of course I didn't dry 200 kg, but I still worked regularly and for 48 hours too, loaded 4 trays, opened it a couple of times to clean the inside.
I even, a month later, when I was buying additional pallets, I was worried that the dimensions would not match mine (I read it on the Internet), they also reassured me, they said that now the factory itself makes them, they had previously ordered them in China, so there were slight discrepancies.

Fan cover warping, IMHO, a consequence of either an incorrect shutdown (the manufacturer's jamb - what if the light goes out? Hello Voltaire ...), or a thermostat failure (on the last batches, it was fixed by installing an additional 85C thermostat)

Rather, it is certainly a poor quality thermostat. His refusal would lead to problems at 40 degrees, but the user writes that at 40 it works fine. Just a shit thermostat. We tried to save money, but did not conduct a sufficient number of tests and got into a mess. I had to switch to a drip thermostat.

It is easily solved by fixing thermal insulating gaskets on the inner surfaces of the blowing block (like foil-clad mica cardboard),

As an option, but in part. The distance there is very small and the foil will reflect heat to the bottom surface. Also not ice.

I just didn't get to the motor, are there bushings or bearings?

What kind of bearings does this class of equipment have? Slip at best. Well, and probably a support ball on the bottom support, I really want to hope. Something like this.

Thanks for the spiral idea. Where did you get it or what was it made of? Dimensions?

As a first approximation, I wound it manually using a drill on a mandrel from a piece of D20mm stainless steel wire pipe for a D0.9mm welding machine. Coil diameter 28..35 mm (springy infection). Today at work I wound a couple more trays - there are still apples
Perhaps there is another solution, this is the first that came to mind. It is better, of course, to have something like a tray with pins (a comb), or a spiral in the form of triangular thorns between which apples "stick", on a round spiral it is difficult to provide a gap between the slices. But it's easier to wind a round spiral from food stainless steel - it is elastic ... and even then the wire consumption is large - 30m per tray! (good at work you can ..).
In a word, the task is to put the slices on the edge, so that they do not lie down when drying or shaking. Maybe someone can find a better solution.

[neatly]

As a first approximation, I wound it manually using a drill on a mandrel from a piece of D20mm stainless steel wire pipe for a D0.9mm welding machine. Coil diameter 28..35 mm (springy infection). Today at work I wound a couple more trays - there are still apples
Perhaps there is another solution, this is the first that came to mind. It is better, of course, to have something like a tray with pins (a comb), or a spiral in the form of triangular thorns between which apples "stick", on a round spiral it is difficult to provide a gap between the slices. But it is easier to twist a round spiral from food stainless steel - it is elastic ...
In a word, the task is to put the slices on the edge, so that they do not lie down when drying or shaking. Maybe someone can find a better solution.
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I kneel before you !!! A thousand pluses for the idea and implementation!
But! I don't know about the others, but the implementation of the idea will not work for me for several reasons:
1. Try to force a woman neatly arrange 25,000 slices in the spring! My wife, at best, will send me to a neuropsychiatric dispensary! I think that you also arranged it yourself (the initiative is punishable) and let women not be offended, but only men are capable of such a feat ...
2. Let the spring be made of stainless steel, but all the same, prolonged contact with the apple pulp is very "not good" (according to my assumptions).
About the download. I do not know what size your apples are, but at first I was even scared that so little fits. And, since I am a beginner in dehydration, I put about 12-15 apples in my Walter on a tray, in several layers on top of each other, in height it turns out almost exactly to the bottom of the next tray. After a while, the upper and lower layers dry out and I just mix the slices 2-3 times during drying (which surprises me and pleases me - this is that the slices practically do not stick and do not dry out to each other). The result is very wonderful, everything dries perfectly. I understand that I probably do not do it very kosher, but they do not allow putting it in one layer conscience, the number of apples and a significant drying time. As a result, I have much more of the original product on the tray than yours due to the practical absence of gaps between slices and layers at the initial stage. I do not urge anyone to follow my path, suddenly I break the sacred commandments.

... After a while, the upper and lower layers are dried and I just mix the slices 2-3 times during drying

Also an option, but I am sleeping at this time .. Yes, and putting the slices in a spiral no longer than spreading the same number of slices on a plane (as the drying manufacturer recommends in the instructions). Of course, pouring in bulk from the slicer will be faster, but it is convenient to "maintain" the drying process only when you are at the dacha in parallel with other things. I am now harvesting at home, after work, at night rate (counter). And the stainless steel comes into contact with the product at only three points ... although I am already thinking of cutting a spiral from a polyethylene pipe (the technology needs to be worked out).

After a while, the upper and lower layers dry out and I just mix the slices 2-3 times during drying (which surprises me and pleases me - this is that the slices practically do not stick and do not dry out to each other).

Depends on the apple variety. Some are very sticky.
Well, bananas and melon stick definitely.

Added on Wednesday 12 October 2016 16:54

And to put the slices in a spiral no longer than to decompose the same number of slices on a plane (as the drying manufacturer recommends in the instructions)

You can generally adjust the size of the slices to fit the slots in the pallet and just stick them in without any spiral. Theoretically possible, but practically ...

Looking at the slicing of apples, I can tell you that using an electric slicer (slicer) helps very well for even drying.

Aren't they "oblique" slices cut? True, I do not have a slicer and I do not know its capabilities.
By the way, maybe someone will advise which one to buy.

Added Thursday, October 13, 2016 12:00 PM

Just now I noticed that I did not read your text well! ((That is why you advise the slicer, that you see oblique slices! Sorry.

maybe someone will advise which one to buy

If you have a Berner-type grater, you can do with it. I didn't have it, so I was more free to choose. The slicer is actually a circular saw with an adjustable gap and, as a rule, 1-2 modes of operation (pulse and constant).
The slicer is good for large (batch) jobs. Otherwise, you will wash yourself.
Plus, there is more room to experiment with the thickness of the products to dry, and this also increases cost-effectiveness. The preparation time for drying has been halved. And, most importantly, drying is more even, that is, there is no need to watch, mix, remove in parts.
I have this Ritter E16


I chose "German quality", never regretted it. (now, after the purchase, I immediately cut a couple of kilograms of cheese, 2-3 mm each, children have enough time for sandwiches).
Apples, zucchini, tomatoes, onions, mushrooms - all planed on this.
Yes, the knives in my house are very sharp, by the way. Simply, I appreciate the right technology.

Apples, zucchini, tomatoes, onions, mushrooms - all planed on this.

And the cabbage?

I have this Ritter E16

Thank you!
I recently bought a device here so that I could immediately remove and peel the apples.
Chinese desHovka, even if you throw it away right away, everything staggers and then the stub turns, then the skin remains. It's a good idea.

[angora77721]

now, after the purchase, I immediately cut a couple of kilograms of cheese 2-3 mm each, children have enough for sandwiches many times longer

angora77721, excuse me, but how do you store it (cheese) then ??? In what form and where ??? Thank you in advance for your reply !!!

and how do you store it (cheese) then ???

Plastic rectangular trays in the refrigerator. In the same place as solid. It will not work for a long time.
We are talking, of course, about hard cheeses.
Somehow all my life I have to cram a lot into small volumes, so I myself am happy to buy all sorts of trays, cans, containers. The wife grumbles for decency, but actively uses it.

[Segey]

Volter dryers 1000 lux with capillary thermostat 4202 rubles each. in insertion solo.

Added on Friday 21 Oct 2016 9:26 PM

Segey, if you have not yet purchased, that is, Volter 1000 lux for 4202 rubles. int- store vstkoyka-

I bought the luxury version today, but on the packaging and in the passport there is just an additional stamp with the word "luxury", is that so for everyone? Made in September.

[| Alexandra |]

| Alexandra |, I have the same. When I ordered additional pallets, I asked the seller what plastic they were made of

In fact, I already regret that I took it - it is terribly expensive to buy pallets in addition, I had to stay alone with my Summer Resident-4 ...

It can be compared with a Belarusian. dryer. Then the opinion about the price of pallets will change.

[take]

When I started to look closely at Walter, it cost a little more than 3 tons. R. While thinking for a long time, the price crawled to 4t. R. And now it's even more expensive, so I conclude that if you need a dryer, you need take! Further it will be more expensive.

[$ vetLana]

$ vetLana, and in Belarusian pallets are even more expensive? Longina, I bought for 4350, delivery 150 from Moscow. Here I am dry for the first time.