Ivan tea (fermentation of fireweed leaves) - master class

[Lida]

Lida, now I asked my husband for a possible reason why the rolls are not working or are obtained with difficulty. He said it could be due to the wrong teeth. They are trapezoidal. And the deepening too. The bottom corner of the trapezoid is approximately 60 degrees. First, the husband began to make the teeth narrow. I slowed him down in time, otherwise, probably, nothing would have happened. So, Lida, it is difficult to look for the reason without seeing your ruble and not knowing how it was made. Somewhere later, after describing my ruble, I wrote the dimensions of the teeth in one of the posts. Now there is no way to search. I'll take a look in the evening if you don't find it yourself.

... made from the board that was in stock. Width 15 cm. Thickness - 20 mm. The length of the lower ruler is 75 cm. The length of the upper ruler is 50 cm. The distance between the teeth is 20 mm. The depth of the recesses is 10 mm. The recess width is 10 mm. The angle of inclination of the tooth in the lower ruble is 45 *.
Take what you have. You can take a slightly wider board. More leaves will be processed at a time.

[lappl1]

lappl1, Lyudochka, everything was done according to the description

In general, you would show us your ruble. Maybe what's wrong?

I took a photo, but I can't throw it off, there is no wire to transfer the photo to the laptop
I'll go to Moscow on the 21st, find the wiring, and show me.

He said it could be due to the wrong teeth. They are trapezoidal. And the deepening too. The bottom corner of the trapezoid is approximately 60 degrees. At first, the husband began to make the teeth narrow.

most likely this is the reason
I'm afraid to even tell him, I'll hear everything they think of me

he is a former designer and often "digs" that I wrote the wrong dimensions
we have with men exactly different perception of the world

there is no trapezoid, that's absolutely for sure

Posted on Friday 17 Jun 2016 11:48 am

lappl1, Lyudochka, everything was done according to the description: mail1: I took a picture, but I can't throw it off, there is no wire to transfer the photo to the laptop
I'll go to Moscow on the 21st, find the wiring, and show me. most likely this is the reason
I'm afraid even to tell him, I'll hear everything they think of me

he is a former designer and often "digs" that I wrote the wrong dimensions
we and men have exactly different perceptions of the world

there is no trapezoid, that's absolutely for sure

now I went to the house, I told him how to do it, and in response I heard: "Show me the text where it says about the trapezoid and 60 degrees? I asked 45 - if you please get it"
Calm down a bit, I'll go or, if I don't respect

[space]

space, Lida. no need to redo ... This husband forgot. A year ago I did it, but now the ruble is somewhere in the boxes, I can't find it in any way. 45 * was written, so it is.
The point is poorly dried leaves.
Natalo4-ka, thanks for finding the text ...

no need to redo ... This is my husband forgot. A year ago I did it, but now the ruble is somewhere in the boxes, I can't find it in any way. 45 * was written, so it is.

wait

The point is poorly withered leaves.

I will try different options and draw conclusions

Natalo4-ka, thank you for finding the text

Lyudochka, I found him too, but I have some kind of bans on links, like a beginner, I'll try to figure it out later
If I find a photojournalist in the village, then I will try to post a photo of the device with corners

[Lida]

Lida, yes, try to deal with your ruble. It’s just a pity if you have it lying around idle.
By the way, did you make loose leaf tea with handles? If not, then maybe that's why it seemed difficult for you to work with a ruble? Compared to manual work, rolls are spinning with a ruble.
And further...Have you tried kneading the leaves with your hands (the recipe contains this method)? It also turns out great tea. And it's not very difficult to knead the leaves. I even liked it, especially from young Vanya.

Luda, the crucial moment has come !!!

no, it has not arrived, I can not upload to the message
see, if possible, in my gallery photo of rubel

I barely inserted it there, but it turns out that they loaded me without codes, I started to get nervous and left it. Apparently I no longer understand today

three pictures from different angles

[space]

space, Lida, I still don't understand how to enter other people's galleries. How many times have I tried, went to profiles, but never found a button to get there. If someone tells me how I will be very grateful ... But for now I don't know what to do ...

[Lida]

Lida, with some vegetable gardens I entered the general Gallery, but not through your profile. I saw your ruble. A great! Everything should work out. Dry the leaves and taste ...

[Lida]

Lida, here is your ruble.

will lie around idle.

will not, I will defeat him

By the way, did you make loose leaf tea with handles? If not, then maybe that's why it seemed difficult for you to work with a ruble? Compared to manual work, rolls are spinning with a ruble.

no, of course, I followed the path of least resistance

Have you tried kneading the leaves with your hands (the recipe contains this method)? It also turns out great tea. And it's not very difficult to knead the leaves. I even liked it, especially from young Vanya.

and haven't tried this one yet

I generally have weak hands, especially my left (problems with the spine)

Dear TEACHER, the student will try to justify your hopes !!!! : girl_haha: and try to catch up in studies in the next quarter
Big Holidays Are Coming Now

Orthodox

, then to Moscow, and from 23 or 24 I will start gnawing on the granite of science, I really want to make from the tops of flower

Added on Friday 17 Jun 2016 09:40 PM

Oh, Lyudochka, what a smart girl you are !!!
so what do you say? what jambs?
your verdict

Added on Friday 17 Jun 2016 09:43 PM

Now I saw your previous message, thanks !!!
I'll tell my husband that he is a master, I'm afraid to underestimate his self-esteem

[WILD LEAVES]

no, of course, I followed the path of least resistance

and haven't tried this one yet

Well then, everything about you is clear! If you have not tried to twist the tea with handles or knead it, then the ruble should seem difficult to use to you ... I advise you, try to twist the interest for the sake of the roll with your hands. Then you will understand that the ruble is a toy ...
And also look at my ruble after use. Do you see the baby? So there is no getting away from her. But it is not enough, never mind. Wither the leaves and go to elite tea ...

so what do you say? what jambs? your verdict

So I wrote - a great ruble! Well done husband! No jambs. Do not run into your husband, but WILD LEAVES! And you will be happy! Just before you start working with a ruble, do not forget to twist the rolls with your hands for half an hour ... Feel the difference, as they say ...

Just before you start working with a ruble, do not forget to twist the rolls with your hands for half an hour ... Feel what is called the difference

I understand what you are hinting at

Lida, what a beautiful ruble, you can go to the museum! Your husband has good hands! Well done!

what a beautiful ruble, you can go to the museum! Your husband has good hands! Well done!

I'll tell him, let Irish rejoice, men love this business very much
otherwise he

(after morning debriefing)

already began to think how to finalize it

let him rejoice, men love this business very much

Lida, I really love men with hands from the right place! And it just gives me aesthetic pleasure to see solid, comfortable, objects made by good man's hands!

[Lida]

Lida, now I asked my husband for a possible reason why the rolls are not working or are obtained with difficulty. He said it could be due to the wrong teeth. They are trapezoidal. And the deepening too.The bottom corner of the trapezoid is approximately 60 degrees. At first, the husband began to make the teeth narrow. I slowed him down in time, otherwise, probably, nothing would have happened. So, Lida, it is difficult to look for the reason without seeing your ruble and not knowing how it was made. Somewhere later, after describing my ruble, I wrote the dimensions of the teeth in one of the posts. Now there is no way to search. I'll take a look in the evening if you don't find it yourself.

I have a question, at first I wanted to make an isosceles trapezoid, but judging by the picture, the trapezoid is still rectangular, so in which direction the teeth are tilted when you ride, in the direction of travel or against. Well, that is, if you put the base in front of you, then the cut on yourself and the straight side from you? and the skating rink, when you cover the base, then the cuts from you, and straight to yourself?

[Veleslog]

Veleslog, I am now from your question as that caterpillar in the cartoon, which was taught to walk correctly ....
I'll think about it now ... In general, we have 2 rubles. They are made in the same way. Only the top one is narrower and shorter. We put the top one on the bottom ... If something goes wrong, then the top one can always be turned 180 *. But everything went fine for me. Always. No matter how I put the top ruble. I didn't even think about how I put it. I don’t think he always lied down on the same side.
And yet ... Our lower ruble lies motionless, while the upper one moves back and forth along the upper one, and not just forward. Therefore, it does not matter how we put the upper ruble, and, therefore, it does not matter which side to make the 45 * angle.
And yes, you are right - the trapezoid in the notch is rectangular.

Thank you for your answer, I myself thought that, no matter how you do, you can turn in any direction. but there is no oak anywhere, I think I can try it from a nut, but I need to do it urgently, today (praise the gods, I broke free and found a huge clearing) I rolled the rollers, I was almost without palms.

[Veleslog]

but there is no oak anywhere, I think maybe try it from a nut,

Velesloguntil you find the nut, the tea season will end
my husband made it out of pine (although it was stored in the shed for a couple of years), it turned out to be a normal unit, it does not smell
Luda is also made of pine - happy

rolled the rollers, almost without palms was left.

I sympathize, but I have not yet experienced "this happiness" on myself
and what happened with the fiber?, I'll go now and take a look in Temko

(worried about you)

Good afternoon, girls! and I about my successes ...
the season began with raspberry leaves, the result is a broken electric meat grinder. I did not repent, I went to war with my husband and now I also have a ruble! from larch!
It was convenient, but it did not work out quickly, my husband did it all day (I wisely did not listen to what words he said at the same time). In addition, if a broken meat grinder is a whip, then as a carrot, at the end of the work, a massage was promised all four legs + back (and a long long song, how wonderful he is!)
Today I did "Macho" I rubbed the young leaves on a ruff, then knead these sausages in a basin - it's a matter for a few minutes, take a photo report the leaves were already a little overgrown, but the smell when drying was very pleasant. I have already prepared a currant leaf, "green" tea from young tops of fireweed, and today I found sage on my favorite clearing! can it be fermented into tea, together with fireweed? can someone have experience?

[svetn]

svetn, Svetlana, Congratulations!!!!!
the device is super, so pass it on to your husband

my husband did it all day (I wisely did not listen to what words he said at the same time)

really wise

and today I found sage on my favorite clearing! can it be fermented into tea, together with fireweed? can someone have experience?

never seen a wild sage
and about tea with medicinal herbs was discussed in the topic with garden and wild-growing leaves, maybe they will help you there?
And you, Svetlana, with tea on a new device

Now I think, how much do I not notice everything, even if I see? So I have been walking on this clearing for many years, but I paid attention to sage only yesterday

Svetlana, what a smart girl your husband is, and you can ignore the words "workers" for such beauty! Meat grinder at you uhaidokhala in vain. You need to twist for 10 minutes, then give her 10-15 minutes to rest, otherwise no engine will stand!
And also, looking at the work of your husband, especially the handle, I came to the idea that you can adapt a wooden construction float for plaster by cutting teeth in it! It's easier than doing it from scratch.

Added Sunday 19 Jun 2016 6:52 pm

can it be made into tea, fermented with fireweed

Not worth it for two reasons: 1. Sage is a medicinal plant and its properties after fermentation may change not for the better 2. Sage is a spicy-aromatic plant, so it is better to simply dry it in the air or in a dryer at 40 degrees, and then, if you like its smell so much, add it to tea.

Meat grinder at you in vain uhaidokhala. You need to twist for 10 minutes, then give her 10-15 minutes to rest

Unfortunately, the weak point in the meat grinder is not the engine, but plastic bushings, the leaves of the raspberry are hard, the engine is powerful, the teeth on the bushing break, well, the husband is handy, he can disassemble and replace. I decided for myself - RASPBERRY ONLY ON A MANUAL MEAT GRINDER!

I decided for myself - RASPBERRY ONLY ON A MANUAL MEAT GRINDER!

If there are such problems with plastic, then raspberries in the freezer! After freezing the problems, there will be no scrolling to electric or manual.

then raspberries in the freezer!

She was freezing out of the freezer for a day, thawed for a couple of hours

how much do I not even notice everything, even if I see?

but really

I came up with the idea that you can adapt a wooden construction trowel for plaster by cutting teeth in it! It's easier than doing it from scratch.

here's a rationalization proposal

the weak point in the meat grinder is not the engine, but the plastic bushings

I have a new powerful Brown, the bushing immediately flew off, changed under warranty,

but I had to prove it right

, it was in 1998
twisted fireweed on it

Hello to all tea lovers! The next season of tea making has come. And immediately the question arose, what to do, if the temperature at the beginning of fermentation is already 33 °, how can it cool? (I bought a special thermometer for meat / ovens, and, accordingly, I checked on Ivan-tea). Photo with flash, that's why it turned out so bright.

can somehow cool?

Luda recommends wrapping up so that there is constant humidity and constant temperature. (in my experience 33 is not critical, usually with fermentation I do the same as with yeast dough sometimes and heat up to 38). For 3 years there were no punctures!

[Veleslog]

Velesloguntil you find the nut, the tea season will end
my husband made it out of pine (although it was stored in the shed for a couple of years), it turned out to be a normal unit, it does not smell
Luda is also made of pine - happy

I also thought that I would find out of that in the carpentry and do it, I urgently need to, if then in the winter I will make a new one, taking into account the acquired experience. By the way, everyone with the upcoming holiday.

Goy Slavs! The sun has become!
The time has come to lay the fire
Calling to Kupalo
Our brothers and sisters

We will see off Yarila,
To ascend to heaven I could
Instead of a boy, a man
Our Slavic grandfather, Dazhdbog

Flames will shoot up to the sky
And let's spin the round dance
Swimming in the dew in the morning
Together we will meet the sunrise.

After all, as is known from old herbalists, fireweed collected on the Kupala night is a medicine for a hundred diseases. So everyone goes to the forest to harvest tea.

[Basja]

Basja, I am Nina,, I do not think that 33 gr. critical for the fermented mass, the recipe indicates the optimal temperature for fermentation is 22-26 g, but this is the ambient temperature. Surely there may be more T. the mass.
Let's wait for Lyudochka, she will dot the i.

[Basja]

Hello to all tea lovers! The next season of tea making has come. And immediately the question arose, what to do, if the temperature at the beginning of fermentation is already 33 °, how can it cool?

Basja, Nina,, nothing needs to be cooled.I have written many times that rugs not only keep warm, but also do not let too much into our tea. A universal option. And you can find the coolest room in the house and put tea there on the floor (at least in the toilet or some pantry). It's always cooler on the floor. I now also live in hot conditions. I'm going to wrap the fermentable mass with blankets and jackets ...

[Natalo4-ka]

I do not think that 33 gr. critical for the fermented mass, the recipe indicates the optimal temperature for fermentation 22-26 g,

Natalo4-ka, just the same critical ... The recipe says that above 30 * many substances pass into an insoluble form and the fermentation itself may stop without starting. Read the recipe, please ...

Too high temperature and overexposure are dangerous - tea acquires the smell of low-grade tea. The optimum temperature for the fermentation process is between 22 and 26 ° C. Below 15 ° C, the fermentation process stops, at a temperature of 15 - 20 ° C its beginning is noted, above 30 ° C part of the soluble fermentation products, which give strength and "body" to the infusion, goes into an insoluble state, at the same time the pleasant aroma of tea is lost.

The bottom line is that fermentation is a chain of continuous processes. Gradually, one substance turns into another. Then a new one - in the third ... The third - in the fourth. And so on. And because of inappropriate conditions at some stage, this chain may end. And even though what you do then, the process will not go further. So we don't get those aromas that could ...

I can write about the smell of prunes in ready-made Ivan tea ... Very many people like this smell. In general, the "correct" Ivan-tea does not smell of prunes ... It smells differently ... I also received prunes several times ... But in this case I was upset - I considered the tea to be a failure ... At that stage, the fermentation was inhibited on this prune and did not go further. Something was wrong in the conditions ....
Oh, right now, sneakers will fly at me ... Some were dragged with packages in the theme of garden scent ... Others with prunes ... That's it, I'm leaving ...

Oh, right now, sneakers will fly at me ... Some were dragged with packages in the theme of garden scent ... Others with prunes ... That's it, I'm leaving ...

("don't go, stay with me" ...........)
but I really like the discussion, because in the dispute the TRUTH is born !!!
now I'm still going to oooooooooooooo expensive tea

Natalo4-ka, just the same critical ...

Lyudochka, I understand.
I thought so because it says at what (22-26 *) temperature fermentation should take place, but not everyone has a thermometer with a probe, so I decided that air temperature is indicated.

above 30 * many substances pass into an insoluble form

And the t-ra of the fermented mass is usually higher than that, at least for me.
I was wrong
But then it turns out at a low temperature of air (18-20 *), the fermentation takes place under normal conditions? After all, the mass is self-heating and its t-ra will be the required 22-26 *.

I'm new. Thanks for the master class. I used it last summer. Probably, the tea is not of the best variety, but it is still delicious. We drink with pleasure. However, we try to brew not so tightly. Strongly brewed loses its delicate aroma. Now we are again looking towards the thickets of fireweed))

[Svetlana-1962]

Svetlana-1962, Svetlana, welcome to tea topics. It is so joyful when new tea lovers appear.

[Natalo4-ka]

But then it turns out at a low temperature of air (18-20 *), the fermentation takes place under normal conditions? After all, the mass is self-heating and its t-ra will be the required 22-26 *.

Natalo4-ka, we measure the temperature not of the mass, but of the environment. How many there will be after self-heating, I do not know - I have never measured it - nothing. But the warmth is felt well. Therefore, it is said that the higher the air temperature, the faster the fermentation takes place. and therefore it is always very difficult for me to answer questions when they write that the tea was not very good, but they do not write how the tea was made, including the temperature at which it was fermented ...

I thought so because it says at what (22-26 *) temperature fermentation should take place, but not everyone has a thermometer with a probe, so I decided that air temperature is indicated.

Of course, the air temperature ... It's easier to measure and make (heating or air conditioning). They are guided by it. By the way, no one in production wrap anything with blankets.The mass heats up on its own, and then slowly the temperature decreases. And they try to locate the shop where fermentation takes place on the north side, where it is cooler. Well this is in China.

Svetlana-1962, welcome to our ranks! May all your tea be the best this year.

Lyuda, have you decided not to go to bed tonight?

Of course, the air temperature ... ... They are guided by it.

Well, it's nice, I was guided by this and that's why the tea is so sweet and delicious
Last year it was necessary to create conditions for fermentation. And now it is Samo, in the house 25-26 *

[Natalo4-ka]

Natalo4-ka, no, I always - lie down. But it's late ...

Last year it was necessary to create conditions for fermentation.

And this is the right approach. Well done! Not everyone and not always have ideal conditions for tea. Therefore, we create them ourselves.

That's right, I turned on the air conditioner, and the temperature returned to normal. It is now drying in the oven.

[Basja]

Basja, Nina, well that's good! Happy tea!

[Luda]

I am transferring here a photo of the hair of an Italian macho!

Luda, girls, when rereading the topic, I just discovered that this tea passed by
And I want to try to make one too.
Tell me, are the leaves cut BEFORE manual kneading or after?

Tricia, Nastya, I want to say that your little black assistant is just a miracle!

[Elena_Kamch]

Elena_Kamch, Lena, do not cut at all. There are also small and thin panicles - there is nothing to cut.

just discovered that this tea passed by

Well, Nastya resists and does not want to make a recipe. You urgently need to knock on her PM in order to make ... And you, Helen, take more pictures, otherwise Nastya has no opportunity to make tea now.
Nastya !!! Do you hear us?

[lappl1]

and Nastya resists and does not want to make a recipe

Well vooot news! Knock
This tea is interesting and I have no doubt that it is delicious.
lappl1, Luda, it turns out, we collect only thin young leaves? Maybe tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I'll dial ...

Lena, they don't cut at all.

I said, and I myself am sitting in thought ... I need to get Nastya out ...
Lena, in general, try it. After kneading, you will see whether you need to do it or not. Or maybe Nastya by the time your leaves wither, and she will appear ...

it turns out, we collect only thin young leaves?

Lena, yes ... They are just like that now. It is generally better to take the tops-panicles there. I myself did not have time to make Macho ...

In general, you need to ask Lena Kadieva. she did this year.

.. We need to get Nastya out ...

Yes, we will cling together!
Nastya !!! AAAuuuuu !!!

After kneading, you will see whether or not you need to do it

In the photo, I see, very thin tea leaves ... As if cut ...

Added Wednesday 22 Jun 2016 07:33 AM

Lena Kadieva should be asked. she did this year

Did you write about it somewhere? I seem to be looking through all the topics ...