Ivan tea (fermentation of fireweed leaves) - master class

[NatalyaP]

We really need advice on fermenting fireweed flowers. I would like to stock up on tea, consisting almost of only flowers. There is a little experience - I dried it a little and dried it in the oven, I liked the result. Now you need to improve your skill! I ask for advice!

Lyudochka lappl1, did, recently wrote. The meaning is the same, dry, twist, ferment, dry. I don’t remember about drying.

NatalyaP, I did it last year, this is how Lena wrote to you - dried, twisted, fermented for 6 hours, dried at 100 * with a further decrease.
And this year Lina wrote in the Besedka that she fermented them in a bag (forcedly), and then dried them, but I don't remember the details. But I am very happy with the result. Lina did not twist the flowers, but, having withered, slightly crumpled them, just like you ...

And also, Lyudmila wrote that the flowers are bitter.

Yes, there was bitterness, but pleasant. And then, it was difficult for me to drink flowers without everything - it was a very rich tea. I just added these granules to tea - to any ... Then it turned out great.

In early June, I collected the tops of Vanechka's heads, dried them up, wrinkled them with my hands, put them in a dark bag and laid them out in the sun. It was "fermented" in the package for more than a day. Then I cut it, laid it on a baking sheet and dried it in the oven without frying with the door ajar.

Emerald, Olya, there is such a way. We call it the sweating method (see Recipe Notes for a link). Many people really like tea. Moreover, this is the only way they do it. I like the method described in the recipe better. Moreover, since last year, this leaf tea, rolled through the ruble, has become a favorite. It's a pity that I only had one opportunity to make such tea. Now I would only make leaf tea using a ruble. And I would not be confused by its volume.

Moreover, since last year, this leaf tea, rolled through the ruble, has become a favorite. It's a pity that I only had one opportunity to make such tea. Now I would only make leaf tea using a ruble. And I would not be confused by its volume.

Gotta make a ruble

Gotta make a ruble

Necessarily!

since last year, this loose leaf tea, rolled through the ruble, has become a favorite

Lyudochka, how to make a ruble? Or can you buy it somewhere?

[Mila1]

Mila1, Lyudmila open page 1, there after links to teas it is written
Device for grinding leaves

[francevna]

francevna, Allochka, but I looked at first and did not find it I went to take a closer look

[Mila1]

Mila1, Lyudochka, there is almost at the end of the page.

[lappl1]

lappl1, Lyudochka looked at your ruble THING !!!! Only I misunderstood about the top cover. If you look at it from the side, then there are even cuts along the edges (I don’t know how to say I don’t understand) and in the middle with some jagged edges. What is this for? I want to order such a contraption to someone, but they will not understand. You could not sketch your dimensions schematically and put them here. I think it will be useful not only to me To order a master from some detailed drawings already.

Added Thursday, 30 Jun 2016, 16:00

francevna, Allochka. I already found it And ran through all the wonderful links I admired the beauty Now I want such a thing

[Mila1]

Hello girls and boys
yesterday I collected the remnants of the tops and at the same time picked up the leaves to try my ruble in action.
I wilted the leaves for the night and today I tried to wind them on the device.
Did it without much effort

(I pressed it for the first time, tried, but as a result, a lot of trash)

and today the result pleased me
I put it on fermentation, later I will share my impression of the tea
Mila1, Lyudochka, good luck to you, when you really want it, it will definitely come true

[space]

space, Lidochka, did you make the ruble yourself?

Did you make the ruble yourself?

husband did

at first sparks flew when I explained to him on my fingers, in a woman's way: lol: then I showed him a photo and a drawing with dimensions, still grumbled for prevention, but did it, did not even persuade for a long time.
Now, of course, I sing praises to him at every opportunity.

husband did

What a good husband

I sing praises to him at every opportunity

And if it’s uncomfortable, sing it too.

[Mila1]

Mila1, Lyudochka at the end of 166 pages of this topic, look at his work
Lyuda, maybe we will switch to "you", I'm embarrassed

[Mila1]

Lyudochka looked at your ruble THING !!!! Only I misunderstood about the top cover. If you look at it from the side, then there are even cuts along the edges (I don’t know how to say I don’t understand) and in the middle with some jagged edges. What is this for? I want to order such a contraption to someone, but they will not understand. You could not sketch your dimensions schematically and put them here. I think it will be useful not only to me To order a master from some detailed drawings already.

Mila1, Lyudochka, the upper ruble is exactly the same as the lower one, only a little narrower (to fit into the lower one) and shorter. And these are not notches, but a tooth in the form of a rectangular trapezoid, one angle of which is 45 *. These teeth in the upper and lower rungs allow you to grind leaves and roll up rolls.
I gave the dimensions - literally a few pages after the posts where I showed a photo of mine. ... Now I can not find it, since the Internet is very weak. And to draw - too ... My ruble lies somewhere in the boxes. After moving, I have not found it yet ... Try to find it yourself, flipping through each page.

I found ... on the same page the dimensions as the photo of the ruble, just a little lower:

made from the board that was available. Width 15 cm. Thickness - 20 mm. The length of the lower ruler is 75 cm. The length of the upper ruler is 50 cm. The distance between the teeth is 20 mm. The depth of the recesses is 10 mm. The recess width is 10 mm. The angle of inclination of the tooth in the lower ruble is 45 *. Take what you have. You can take a slightly wider board. More leaves will be processed at a time.

[lappl1]

can we turn to "you"

Lidochka, of course It's not always good for me ... I'm used to "Vykat" at work, now I'm retired, but it's hard to get out of the habit, but I'm trying
Looked at the photo of the ruble. I would sing praises to my husband and at any time of the day SUPER!
lappl1, Lyudochka, thanks for the size info
About notches ... here in this photo. At the top plate, the extreme teeth are flat at the bottom, and the rest seem to be broken off, they seem to be They can not be made all flat?

And Lidochka Rubel's teeth are all even

[Mila1]

and the rest seem to be broken off, they seem to be impossible to make them all equal?

Mila1, they need to be made even. Apparently, it’s chipped along the edge - my husband made pine, but it’s soft ... Do it smoothly, do not suffer ...

[lappl1]

lappl1, Everything is clear I will look for a master

Lyudochka, good night (and if you are already asleep, then good morning tomorrow)))
I wanted to talk about the ruble.
Recently they did this miracle to me, but not correctly, they did it from a photo and from hearsay. I had to explain on my fingers how and what to fix. They promised to do the second. And here I look the girls often ask and ask again what and how. It was always easier for me to understand the scheme myself, I even knit according to the schemes, and not according to the description. In general, I sketched a diagram according to the dimensions that you gave. Communicate may come in handy. Please see if everything is correct. If something is wrong, I will fix it. it's late already, I could have screwed up

[Natalo4-ka]

Natalo4-ka, Natasha, what a clever girl you are !!!! REALLY NEEDED!!!! Greater than my gratitude Now I will wait for Lyudochka's resolution And there is little to do - find a master

[Natalo4-ka]

Natalo4-ka, cool circuit
but still I do not catch up with the slope of the teeth

in the photo it seems to be viewed as 1 picture, at least so it seems to me
and in Natasha's scheme, as in picture 2, so I got confused, tell me how it is correct, I also want to order and then not to redo

Thank you devuli
Let's wait for Lyudochka, she is away today, and we will adjust the scheme

[Natalo4-ka]

Natalo4-ka, Natasha, and you have a side view of the upper ruble, the thickness of this board itself, how much should it be? I didn't find something. The height of the prong is 1 cm, as I understand it, but how much is the height of the entire board together with the prong?

[Mila1]

Mila1, Ludmila, like the bottom 2 cm. This is according to the description. But I will make 3 cm from the one that was made for me first, just 3 cm, this board thickness suits me. And the rest of the dimensions (except for cutting the working surface), I think, can be customized to the user's preferences, as well as the shape-size of the handle.

Added on Friday, 01 Jul 2016 11:24 am

sveta-Lana, Svetlana, in the morning your drawing did not open for me. Correctly in the 2nd figure, unambiguously.

Hello!

Thank you for such a useful and extensive topic.

This year I tried to make fermented willow tea for the first time.
I had previously read the topic, but unfortunately at the moment when I had to directly engage in tea, the Internet did not work for me. I had to do a lot from memory, and apparently I messed up ((

What is the taste and smell of highly fermented tea, please? Because of my work, I didn't have time to do it, and the tea rolled in a meat grinder lay in the pan for at least 36 hours, and the days were also hot. I remembered that some of them could withstand such a period, and therefore I was not particularly worried.
But when I began to dry it, the tea smelled kind of sour ... And now the finished tea has a sour smell and the same taste. The brew is very dark and strong. Strongly fermented tea should be like this, or is it sour? ..

[Nastya]

Nastya, strongly fermented tea is like that - it is dark and strong, sourness during brewing happens, depending on what soils Ivanushka grows on, but it does not smell sour during fermentation. You take it away for dry fermentation, as I already wrote - it is difficult to spoil Ivan tea. And then adjust to your schedule.
Welcome to the tea maker family!

[Elena]

Elena, thank you for your reply and greeting))
When drying, there was clearly a sour smell, and the taste of the brew was not particularly pleasant, for me in any case. Now it is in the jar, and when you open it, you can clearly feel this smell, although it seems to have been dried normally. The sister also says that the smell is unpleasant.
Okay, let him lie still, maybe he will improve. It will be a pity if it disappears, I spent so many of them on it (literally - I have a manual meat grinder)

They brought another batch of leaves, now they are drying. I think to grind it in the evening, and tomorrow at 12 o'clock to start drying. I want it to be strong, but without this acid. Let it ferment for about 15 hours. I hope it will work out this time))

Ferment it for 3-5 hours, and then fry and dry it.
Observe the temperature regime both during fermentation and during drying.

[Elena]

Elena, only 3-5 hours is enough? .. And even strong will turn out? Great, thanks a lot, I will definitely try!
The only thing is, I won't be able to dry everything at once, I will be in two steps. So some will stay longer, some less.

Catch the aroma and dry. And the second batch will ferment longer.

Added on Friday, 01 Jul 2016 12:41 pm

Good luck!

Added on Friday, 01 Jul 2016 12:41 pm

And then a report

[Natalo4-ka]

Correctly in the 2nd figure, unambiguously.

then i have done it wrong
Lyudochka, if this is so, then please remove my pictures so as not to mislead the people who are going to do it.
it turns out that both sides of the groove are made at an angle of 45 *? (mine has only one side, and the other at 90 *)
Natasha, it seems to me, in the drawing, it is necessary to reduce the width of the upper ruble cloth a little (to freedom of movement).
Natalo4-ka, thank you Natalochka, for the hard work
now we will wait for Luda's verdict

[space]

space, lydia, it turns out to grind the leaves with your rub? The main thing is to be able to work on it, I think so.

it turns out to grind the leaves with your rub? The main thing is to be able to work on it, I think so.

Alla, I have nothing to compare with
the quality of "rolls" would be better. I tried to wither the leaf at different times, but the "rolls" are loose.
But definitely easier than manually
Now I just finished drying loose leaf tea, fermented for 16 hours, but after drying, in my opinion, it is much lighter than granulated. Maybe it should have been fermented even more?
I will still experiment, until I myself "fill the cones" - I don't understand

[space]

space, Lydia, leaf tea is always lighter than granulated tea.
Oh, I'm comparing garden scent.
Maybe Ivan-tea is different

Oh, I'm comparing garden scent.
Maybe Ivan-tea is different

I can't say anything
I'll do it more than once, maybe I'll understand later?

[Natalo4-ka]

Natalo4-ka, Natasha, I'm out! Such a scheme! Everything is done so competently! Are you a constructor? It's so good that you made this scheme. Now it will be very easy for everyone to make a ruble. Thank you so much !!!!
But adjustments will need to be made.
In general, last year the people were not "fired up" with the idea of ​​adapting myself to such a thing, and I had no time to propagandize ... I made such tea myself only once. And so it would be necessary, of course, to give all the dimensions at once. Today I was away, but I asked my husband to find a ruble. Now I have examined and sketched it.



space, Lida, why are you upset? Your husband needs half an hour of work to correct the upper ruble a little - to make the teeth narrower (5 mm). Don't worry if it gets sloppy. I have the same. My husband first made it as a lower one, but I rejected it and he grinded off the teeth at the upper ruler so that they were narrower. It turned out not aesthetically pleasing, but it works wonderfully well.

Now I just finished drying loose leaf tea, fermented for 16 hours, but after drying, in my opinion, it is much lighter than granulated. Maybe it should have been fermented even more?

Lydia, leaf tea is always lighter than granulated tea. Oh, I'm comparing garden scent. Maybe Ivan-tea is different

Girls, I don't make leafy garden scent, but even if you take granulated tea from garden scent, then different drying temperatures will give tea of ​​different color... My opinion is that the drying temperature mainly affects the color of tea. And fermentation does not play a special role. I have 3 hours blacker than black. And the sheet - also - the one after the ruble. I fermented it for no more than 6 hours, and maybe less. Lidahow do you dry your tea?

SSDS, Nastya, welcome to tea themes! Lena has already answered everything. Yes, long fermentation + high temperature did their job. Temperatures over 30 * harm tea - it stops fermentation at an undesirable moment, and then spoils the tea altogether. It is better to observe the temperature regime after all. If it's hot in the house, then just wrap the container with blankets - they will work like a thermos. And don't let the process go by itself - catch the delicious aroma. It begins to appear after 2 to 3 hours, especially in case of heat.

I didn't have time to do it because of my work.

But our tea does not like this! He needs control. Find the link at the end of the recipe in the Notes. how to fit tea into your schedule... Many people work for us and find a way to make tea on time.

how do you dry your tea?

I mainly dry roasted teas 150, 100.70 all black
there was one experiment with White-pink only in the dryer at 70 - it turned out greenish
And this leaf after the cut was dried a bit at 120, then 100, 70 - it turned out like dried grass with darker inclusions. It doesn't upset me, I just analyze my results.
One more thing: I cut after fermentation, now I want to cut before fermentation. I had a feeling that the mass, even under the load, did not fit very tightly
I will still try to achieve the desired result by trial and error.
Now I have finished with white-pink, there will be time for some leaves of Ivanushka.
And I fermented all teas mainly for 4 hours, just this experimental one solved 16 hours.

[until strong moisture]

turned out like dried grass with darker inclusions.

Lida, it means that the leaves are not very wrinkled .. Hence - not enough juice. Little juice - worse fermentation goes. Therefore, your tea turned out to be weakly fermented. In general, if you see this, then you can then, after the ruble, how to crush the dough with your hands - the recipe in the photo shows how to do this. I knead right on the table. And it is not as difficult as it seems at first glance. If you are used to working with the dough, then the tea will not seem difficult.

cut after fermentation, now I want to cut before fermentation. I had a feeling that the mass, even under the load, did not fit very tightly

Of course, it is better to cut it before fermentation, especially if it was possible to squeeze out little juice. We need a very dense layer. In granular it does this by itself. But in a sheet it will not work - you need to try to press down harder. Otherwise, anaerobic bacteria will die in the presence of air. But it is they who carry out the fermentation.

I will still try to achieve the desired result by trial and error.

Lida, you seem to be about to reinvent the wheel. We have already tested everything. Everything works great. Well, why are you suffering? Ask every moment.
The main thing is to collect the leaves in dry weather, wither enough, grind until strong moisture, create conditions for fermentation and dry under the right conditions (temperature, thin layer, open door, stirring).

And I fermented all teas mainly for 4 hours, just this experimental one solved 16 hours.

And 16 hours is normal. and four too. On one condition - sufficiently crumpled leaves and normal fermentation conditions.

rub until very moist,

I did everything as expected, except for this
that's what I sinned. It's easier for me with a meat grinder

, but only the right hand works as expected, and the left handles

Ask every moment.

I hesitate to ask all the time, and there are many nuances. So far, I see my mistakes and constantly test myself on the first two links for beginners
and if a serious question arises, then I know that they will always help everyone here
Thank you, Lyudochka, for your concern

I did everything as expected, except for this

Oh ... Oh-oh ... This is the reason for your light tea ... But don't be upset. Take it away and forget it before winter. You will see, he will surprise you.

I'm ashamed to ask all the time

Hello, we've arrived! Stop it! Of course, for various reasons I do not always respond promptly, but I do. And while I'm not online, so many girls are ready to help. So, Lida, I didn't hear this conversation ... If anything, then ask right away ...

Now I have examined and sketched it.



Lyudochka, can you specify the dimensions yet? Here at the bottom ruble, where arrows 20 indicate ... how much is the upper horizontal and the lower one?

[Mila1]

Here at the bottom ruble, where arrows 20 indicate ... how much is the upper horizontal and the lower one?

Mila1Lyudochka, I didn't quite understand the question ... Above 20 mm and below - too ...

[lappl1]

lappl1, Lyudochka, well, there are two horizontal lines. One above the corner on the right is larger. yu and the other at the bottom left at a smaller angle

Well, there are two horizontal lines. One above the corner on the right is larger. yu and the other at the bottom left at a smaller angle

Lyudochka, take your time, you probably need to add dimensions to the drawings for manufacturing.
She showed it to her husband.
Tomorrow he promised to edit the upper ruble. And I will go and pick some leaves and wither this time, try and write my opinion. If everything suits me, I will ask my husband to describe the manufacturing process in "smart words" and then you will order the master. While spinning in a meat grinder

[Mila1]

One above the corner on the right is larger. yu and the other at the bottom left at a smaller angle

Mila1, still do not understand...
But I'll try to answer. Maybe I'll hit the point ... In general, the tooth at the bottom has a very small width (several mm), and at the top there is a large area.
Girls, you took the size too seriously ... Neither the Kulibin, who invented the ruble, nor my husband, bothered too much with these millimeters. I showed my husband a picture, he went to do it. Showed the result. Without trying to adapt, I realized that the upper rung has very wide teeth - I asked them to narrow it. The husband removed part of the width from each tooth. Therefore, in my upper ruble, everything looks not ice. But it works !!!

Girls, about the size. The size is enough for a specialist. At the top, the platform is 5 mm and from it at an angle of 45 degrees downward. And below, how much will come out of the instrument, it is no longer important. And if someone just needs it, remember the geometry and count ... But, I say again, the size is enough for a specialist ...

Added Saturday 02 Jul 2016 09:12 AM

The horizontal lines are both 5 mm.

[Nadyushich]

And below how much will come from the instrument,

I also think so, depends on the thickness of the cutting tool
my Kulibin is now reworking, let's see what comes of it!
Nadyushich, Nadia, do you have this device? do you use it?

Nadyushich, Nadyusha, do you have this device? do you use it?

Alas, I have no, there is no one to send ... I make all the teas in a manual meat grinder ... I develop biceps ...

[Nadyushich]

Nadyushich, you need to attach some kind of adapter to the handle in order to twist with your feet. Will be instead of an exercise bike

[Nadyushich]

Nadyushich, you need to attach some kind of adapter to the handle in order to twist with your feet. Will be instead of an exercise bike

Yeah, you have to think about it! Well, a little man, so he did ...