We decorate gingerbread cookies, cookies

[Irina Fina]

Irina Fina,
Thank you, Ira. Dough "for soft gingerbread", like that called. It is made with vegetable oil. But for some reason lately it began to bubble with me. I made a birthday order on skewers for a year - how much I was worn out !!! I had to make them thicker in order to stick the skewer. So they swelled in different directions, and bubbled as they wanted. I had to fold them under the cutting board and put the kettle on top. But I guess it's because I stamped the thick ones. I don't like sticking these sticks in bread at all, it's some kind of blasphemy, but ordering, what to do

[Liza]

Tanya, I am also sooo interested in daffodils. How did you make them? The petals are almost transparent ... The icing is thinner and the outline?

Liza , but nothing complicated at all, but faster than anything else. You are right - the contour with the usual contour icing, then it is imperative to wait an hour until it dries, and then I spread the icing thinner so that the background of the gingerbread shines through, and I apply it to the petals with a brush, not in a thick layer, but just to cover the entire space there. And on my daisies, too, so that on the box.

recently I saw a photo of a girl - three huge basins of gingerbread (red cars like sedans, without any special details and troubles, though) and a comment - a thousand pieces in three days. Well, what I admire for the diligence and hard work of the master is one thing. But the question is - WHO ordered such quantity !!!

Anna, of course, there are such copies, but I think any big organization like Gazprom, where they made an order for a huge number of employees, or the price of a gingerbread is scanty, which caused such a flurry of comments and orders))
But with regard to advertising, yes, word of mouth works best, but sometimes you need to push the client a little, not intrusively, nowadays you need to be able to be not only a craftsman, but also an advertiser, photographer, etc. via the Internet, social networks rule, so you need to have a page in all popular ones, and people will see, someone will try, they will tell someone else and quietly reach out))

[elena88]

elena88, handbag - aaabaldet! Tell me, who was this work meant for? And how are the flowers fixed there?

Lisa, thanks! Such work was intended for my husband's niece and a 3.5-year-old girl who goes to the studio with my son. Until recently, there were only two of them in their subgroup. So we give each other gifts for the holiday. And fastened the flowers simply and reliably - in corn sticks. I put several pieces in the basket and carefully stuck the flowers in turn.

[Fefochka28]

Fefochka28,
I have a page on only one resource, all the photos are posted there. Perhaps you are right, I agree, but so far it does not work out (((

Irina Fina,
Thank you, Ira. Dough "for soft gingerbread"

Anya, do you mean this dough? It never bubbled. Never. True, I did not make it thicker than 5mm. And the skewers easily held even on fairly large gingerbread. I love making gingerbread skewers and kids love them. If there is both with and without skewers, then the first ones are always eaten by those on the skewers
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=416262.0
True, I bake immediately with skewers. And let it cool down well. All. No hassle.

[elena88]

elena88,
yes it is, yes. I also had no problems before, but I do not like thin ones, I'm afraid that they will dry out and will be like a biscuit. And I stick in the skewers when they are a little cold, but still warm. Here, I stick a skewer, then I take it out of the cooled ones, paint it and at the last stage I drip icing into the hole from the skewer and insert the skewer again. Gripped tightly! So I read it on the Internet, and when baking there is more space in the oven, when they are baked without skewers. I sincerely hope for orders without skewers))))

[Anna26]

Anna26, Anya, well, you came up with a problem for yourself: stick it in, pull it out, stick it in again ... You don't bake it in hundreds, arrange it so that the skewer is located between the two gingerbread cookies of the next row.And it is also convenient to turn and hold the gingerbread with a skewer when painting. And there is no risk that you will smear the icing with your finger. In general, I see a lot of advantages here. And I am not at all worried about sticks in bread. If you really bother, then by and large in Russia bread was not cut, but broken. Until now, the wedding loaf is supposed to be broken with your hands, and not cut with a knife. I treat gingerbread like a dessert. And a wooden skewer in a gingerbread for me is like a stick in ice cream. That's all ... However, this is just my vision of the issue.

And it is also convenient to turn and hold the gingerbread with a skewer when painting.

on the contrary, I knock with these sticks when painting, I always touch them, the gingerbread turns over or clings to something lying nearby, and the icing is smeared and smeared at this time. One of my monsters ended up with a black knee due to the fact that the black icing from the boot was smeared all over the leg, wiped it as best she could, but did not begin to alter her legs. There was no time, and most importantly, I had such a relief and beautiful piping there, and now the smeared garbage has come out.

[Vei]

Vei, Liz, well, that's how many people, so many opinions.

Girls, sorry for again the impudent intrusion without comments. (((I saw everything, amazing work, handbag, daffodils, Yrochka is out of competition.
I am again with a question about a sore point. They ordered me 4 sets, by March 8, three pieces in each. The picture was sent by the vibe, whose she had no idea (at that time). Asked to repeat. As I could - I did, of course, to the original as to the moon, I made my own changes (and color, shape, and detail). I posted a photo on my pages in social networks. It turned out to be plagiarism, the author wrote about each photo in the comments. The mood is at zero. I cry all evening (((

[Angelina Pryanikova]

Angelina Pryanikova, so do not cry. It seems to me that you need to delete along with the comments what you posted so as not to spoil your story. And next time, if you make someone else's design, then either indicate the author, or write that based on an unknown master, but thanks for the idea. And if the master shows up, then after such an introduction he will have less reason to be offended. And you will have the opportunity to indicate the authorship. I have already seen a couple of my designs in someone else's design in social networks without attribution. I am pleased to. Anyway, until ...

[Alla]

Alla, I already wrote to you in a personal. Do not be upset, it can happen to anyone. If I liked the work of a master that I know, I am subscribed to him, then I always ask permission in the comments to repeat. Nobody has ever refused me. Usually they even laugh. Last year I did eights under the impression of the work of Irina Gonchar, and she was indicated by a hyperlink, she stopped communicating with me in principle. Then I found out that she is very sensitive to repetitions of her work and her style in general. But the beautiful will inevitably inspire, cause a desire to repeat, such a challenge to oneself. So, by and large, there is nothing wrong with that - this is my opinion. And then on YAM I found eights with roses, which I did not quite succeed in repeating, since I did not even notice that there were pseudo roses, and I wound up the coolest ones from icing, and even did not get into the color, in the end they turned out like recognizable, but different, because I worked in a more complex technique. And then I found out that Nastya Palochka, the author of these little girls, lives in our forum, and then she personally met her, she gave me advice on how best to work on the stream, when there are a lot of orders before the holidays. Otherwise, with my tricky techniques, I would not have earned money at all)))
So, in spite of all the spiteful critic, just unlearn and beat your hand so that your gingerbread cookies become not worse, but better than the original.
Forget it in general!

Elena, Lisa, thank you. Liza, cookies - was that you? Knock again, I turned it down.
I deleted this photo from the insta, I just closed the rest of the pages. This is my work, my photograph, I have not uploaded someone else's work, I have uploaded mine. I will not delete.
I will learn what remains for me))) I will still have their nose in the morning)))
We must go further, bad experience is also an experience))) as they say everything has already been copied to us, we will come up with something new.

And here, for example, there was a video of MK on painting the color of glasses, pansies. I made them and also exhibited them, is this also plagiarism?

here they exhibited a video of mk on painting the color of glasses, pansies. I made them and also exhibited them, is this also plagiarism?

I think not, this is a training video that involves replaying.
Yes, I myself didn’t even think about asking permission, giving links to originals, it didn’t even occur to me, apparently it carried me away from all this because I lambasted ideas from Hungarian women and Slovaks, they simply did not know
and when she got to IS I was shocked by the stream of rage and negativity in such cases and began to sign works if she knew the authorship.
Although I have a heart-cake, they sent me a picture with it by mail and demanded to repeat it one to one, I even asked permission to correct the mistakes in the inscription there. And I had such a sediment that I completely copied someone's work. How unpleasant it became for me when another customer, seeing this cake in my gallery, demanded to repeat it one to one. I could barely persuade her to use another picture, I had to explain to her directly that I didn't want to plagiarize a second time)))

[Angelina Pryanikova]

Angelina Pryanikova, do not worry so, anything can happen. God had mercy on me, probably because I live too far away. The sediment, of course, will remain, but primarily because you were mentally unprepared for such a turn of affairs. And the author ... well, there's nothing you can do about it, och painfully the person refers to this. At first I also grimaced, although I am far from being a supermaster. But it also caught on. Then I calmed down, and now when I saw my gingerbread at the fourth local craftswoman, I just walked by))) And in general, as the girls once explained to me correctly, this is not exactly plagiarism. You baked this gingerbread yourself, painted it yourself, put your efforts into it. Plagiarism is when someone else's photo is passed off as your own. Or this is how I had it:

I saw a diaper cake on a local resource, just one to one like mine. She also gurgled, then calmed down. And then I went through my photos and I see: the cake is not one to one, but the same one. I remembered when and to whom I sold it, called "aftar". The answer was simply amazing: I paid money for him, now what I want, I do with him. That is, she took a picture of him and presented him as a model. In this case, by threatening the moderators, I managed to get the girl to remove the photo. But the question remained open: is it plagiarism or not? Indeed, the money is "rallied" ... And this, in principle, and gingerbread can be ... What prevents you from photographing what you bought and putting it up for sale?

[Alla]

But the question remained open: is it plagiarism or not? Indeed, the money is "rallied" ... And this, in principle, and gingerbread can be ... What prevents you from photographing what you bought and putting it up for sale?

how many people have so many opinions, but here I am adamant - this is plagiarism! this is someone else's work, brazenly exposed for his own!

Asked to repeat. As I could - I did, of course, to the original as to the moon, I made my own changes (and color, shape, and detail). I posted a photo on my pages in social networks. It turned out to be plagiarism, the author wrote about each photo in the comments. The mood is at zero. I cry all evening (((

but this is NOT PLAGIUM! this is your job, especially since the changes have been made.
Think for yourself, we draw flowers on almost all gingerbread, and now what? did we slam a rose from someone? or chamomile? or a leaf? what nonsense! this is an order! so the customer wanted! Alla, so that because of this you should not get upset, do not enter into polemics with such people, just delete comments and that's it, your nerves will be more whole.
If someone posted their work on the network, this is done to attract attention, and now let them be glad that their work attracted attention and someone wanted this beauty for themselves))
and this applies not only to gingerbread, but to any creative craft!

We paint flowers on almost all gingerbread, and now what?

Yes, and what are the eights with mimosa? Only the lazy does not. A little in different variations, but still

Thank you, girls, the night turned and the dream did not go away, but it was digested. And largely thanks to you. Thank you!

[elena88]

elena88,

Well, how many people, so many opinions.

well, yes, who is used to it)))

Added Thursday, 10 Mar 2016 08:11

Angelina Pryanikova,
I also received pictures from several customers, so I wrote under the pictures "according to the design proposed by the customer." That's all

Girls, tell me: how much sugar paper is stored? I have long wanted to make gingerbread cookies with vintage pictures, I even looked after Easter. But our price is 1200 per A4 sheet, just gold. I want to order by mail. So I think: the road, plus the time before the holiday, and will it not turn out that by Easter it will have just expired?

expiration date will come out?

it will not turn sour or moldy, but it can dry out easily and break on the road. So it's not worth it. This is essentially a very thin layer of sugar paste with a pattern printed on top. Well, your prices are 1200 rubles / sheet !!! ...

Yeah, our prices are like this (((just prints only one company that makes cakes. Monopolist, in short

Added Thursday, 10 Mar 2016 09:28

That is, it turns out that it can dry out on the road, and then I do not use it anywhere. Ehhhh ....

Girls help me when I knead the dough with my hands everything is fine, but when I knead it in a bread maker it bubbled up when baking! How so? What could be the reason? I have the dough with frozen sugar.

I have the dough with frozen sugar.

never worked with this, I can not advise anything ((

[Feya]

Feya,
Oh, this is my first dough, that is, the dough from which my very first gingerbread. It was bubbling with my hands))) It seems that I have any bubbles ((((

[harmful78]

harmful78, Lisa, sugar is one of the strongest natural preservatives. Nothing will happen to her. if only there was no moisture. And for how much are you going to sell the carrot? We have 5,00 € -10 sheets.

[Anna26]

Anna26, Anya, I fix the skewers just like you do. They hold on well, once tried to pull it out to eat the gingerbread, so the skewer came off with a piece of gingerbread.)))

[Mona1]

Mona1,
Well, on the Internet it says that it comes off only with a piece of gingerbread, but I myself did not try to tear it off, because I did not do it for myself on skewers. And also, girls, what kind of skewers are you inserting? For example, I insert these long ones, you know, on which the meat is also fried. And they are somehow thick, I have to sharpen the edge with a knife so as not to deform the gingerbread. Oh, when I remember these sticks ...

Added Thursday, 10 March 2016 10:02 AM

Why am I, maybe normal people insert toothpicks?

Anya, thank you very much! Customers' design is an option. And I do not claim authorship and I do not indicate the author. Otherwise, it turns out that you have to write mini-modes and scrape them with your feet. Fu, nausea. If not for the order, I would not even look.

[Angelina Pryanikova]

Angelina Pryanikova,
come on, don't be upset, I didn't even know that there are people, as Pechkin said, "greedy to the good of others," well, they repeated your gingerbread, and now, hang yourself out of grief! Yes, it would seem, rejoice, then it turned out beautifully! But no, people need to spoil the blood. And don't worry, it is clear that it is unpleasant, but also a kind of experience. The main thing is that the desire to create beauty does not disappear)))

Girls, sorry, back to the topic of plagiarism. I usually gurgle sooooo. Because I always tell clients that I don’t make samples. Design is also a job to come up with. And someone finds excuses to repeat. Do not communicate with the client, do not complicate your life. This is both "the client wants", and "I just changed a little", "and posted on the Internet - general."I have never met clients who left after hearing "let's come up with an individual design, I will consult with you." And it has always been so, from the very first curves of the gingerbread.
Sewing toys a few years ago. I gave up just because I was nervous. There are chips in the performance. Anchor ideas. Bright and eye-catching. Not all my works are the same either. So they took these main ideas and said that they changed it, it doesn't seem like it! We took over everything, including the design of business cards. 4 years have passed, and you can still see it at local fairs. You know how unpleasant it is when you strive for individuality, but here it is.
And, I confess, I myself gave unpleasant minutes to such lazy masters. She exhibited works in the Internet in the style of expectation and reality. They are offended that they were caught, but for me that the time that was spent on inventing a new one could spend with her loved ones, read, sleep, do something that is always sorely lacking in time. You can get inspiration from paper pictures. When there are no orders, I make non-commercial, complex gingerbread, I test new techniques. I can imagine what can be done with the experience gained. And then a girl comes, pulls the work, does it, sells it and cries that she is offended by something. In my opinion, it's absurd. She is comforted, and you should be glad that they are copied, but in general, a greedy ass
Sorry for the many words and the harshness.

I did not delay the work, I do not claim anything absolutely. I would have known, I had not contacted, I repeat not the first time. Why run over so quickly? We didn't have any correspondences in PM, about which she writes. Her work did not give up to me, if for good. I did it once and forgot. That photo I posted ... I posted a photo of mine! work! There is an expression, do not touch ... - it will not stink, well, I just entered, in the spring there are many "surprises" under the snow. From now on I will look at my step. And I also apologize for the harshness.

Ok, here you are planting potatoes in the spring, wrestling. You weed, you huddle. You collect beetles. What else are they doing with her? And in the fall a man comes and digs it out. Also wrestles by the way. And takes it away. He worked, he dug. And these neighbors tell you: so rejoice! They took the potatoes, which means they are tasty, even. Plant more !!!

I'm used to sharing the seeds of good potatoes, I don't see anything wrong.

Well, it turns out that everyone takes it differently. I also had a plot gingerbread - a house, in front of a flowering bush, behind the house there is a tree with cones. I came up with it myself, I didn't slam at anyone, but then I saw almost the same at one gingerbread cookie. The son says "block her". I was even surprised why! I absolutely did not have the feeling that something was stolen from you. Copies will still not work, no matter how hard you try, everyone has different skills and abilities. And then the customer asks for something specific. I also had one - and sent me a photo with napkins so that I could match the tone of her event with gingerbread, and even sent me a stroke on the gingerbread from the Internet. Well, here's how to find a way out in such a situation? Therefore, I write - according to the design proposed by the customer. Moreover, this is not a trick, but the pure truth.

[Angelina Pryanikova]

Angelina Pryanikova, what kind of double standards? Then tell a fairy tale?
Here you have good seeds, all the sellers on the market have small, white potatoes. And you have an unusual red and large. Because he looked after her well. A neighbor came to you, says "Kind man, share a good potato." Of course you do. And gladly that you have the best one in his opinion. Really nothing to be ashamed of. And another neighbor came, silently dug up seedlings for himself. And the next autumn I got up with the same harvest next to me in the market. He reacted to the comments like this: oh, if only I knew that there would be so much stench!

That's it, I don't gurgle anymore. I promise.

I do not have the same "harvest" at least. And I already wrote that I did not know the author. Everything, the topic is closed.

And for how much are you going to sell the carrot?

I don’t know yet, I thought to calculate from the cost of paper.250-300 rubles, they will definitely not go more expensive with us

Added Thursday, 10 Mar 2016 11:28 am

If I find it nearby - in Khabarovsk or Vladivostok, then I will. And if not ... Do not write it out from the other end of the country

[Yrochka]

Yrochka, I do not agree with such analogies and comparisons))
one way or another, everyone still develops his own style, just at the beginning of his creative path, any artist, with the exception of very great geniuses (although they are also not exceptions), copy and try themselves in different styles. Someone is better at it, someone is worse, then you grope for something of your own. But if a master (let's call him this word) does something with his own hands, even copying a drawing, technique, color schemes, etc., but does it himself, then I don't see a crime in this. It's bad when your photos are stupidly displayed for their work. Of course, it is more pleasant to read that you were at least somehow referred to, but this is an optional condition in my opinion.

And yet, a little from another opera, but still about jealousy and greed: many masters who teach courses and MC, demand non-disclosure of information from their students. This is also incomprehensible to me. As Natasha Ananyeva told us in her courses: "You paid me for my experience and the information that I share with you, and then it's up to you, because this is your information and your money. If you want, share it for free on the forum." , .. want to teach (about teaching, this is my understanding from her words))), if you can. Because she is confident in her abilities and does not consider us to be competitors, which in essence is so))
And the rest is already some kind of jealousy and self-doubt, IMHO.

Girls, have you ever heard about the Slovak craftswoman Maria Murarikova? I just saw it on Pinterest for the first time. Gingerbread gramophone, sofa, iron, dress Well, if I understood correctly 🔗
and more here 🔗

[Yrochka]

Yrochka, Ira, thank you for your opinion and position, I put a tick in my head that I will not try to repeat yours at any time. But, girls, I have sooo many just beautiful gingerbread in my folder on my computer, I've been collecting it for several years, I just see beauty in the internet and copy it, periodically look at it, admire it and repeat something with my nuances, but it so happens that it's just one to alone. And I just have hundreds of unsigned pictures of who knows whose it is. Suddenly I'll make someone's gingerbread out of yours, and I really wouldn't want it to be a gingerbread, the author of which has the same opinion as Ira's. Maybe we'll make a roll call, like: You can repeat mine or not.
In general, the topic of plagiarism has been raised not for the first time, it would be good to single out all these discussions in one Temko. If there is not enough material for a separate Temka, then combine it with the issues of communication with clients and the cost of gingerbread. Because often, it is the customers who order the plagiarism.

let's do roll call

my opinion, apparently, is already clear and known, I do not mind, if that))

Very well one of the girls said: put the work on the network - that's it, they are GENERAL (yes, at least they will publish it in a magazine) !!! And you will not forbid anyone to plagiarize !!! And if you react so painfully - do not exhibit and tell your clients to be smashed at the entrance !!!

[Liza]

Well, yes ... Well, I know that on the Internet everyone reads between the lines, and a lot of beeches to explain their position are boring and bad taste. In short: I love perfectionists. They are always insecure. Because they think they can do better. There is a lot of good from them on the thematic Internet. And I don’t feel sorry for a drop when they copy well, and not stupidly for the sake of selling. When from the heart. But I have not met such.
Liza, I agree with you. But at the beginning of the artist's career, the artists sold their plagiarism because they were swollen from hunger. And in our business, after MK, shops are immediately created and everything is for sale. Classics of the genre. It's really funny here, because they even sell works made on micron. A friend saw my gingerbread in a souvenir shop at the airport. Of course I recognized it by style. Then I realized that I was also distributing my works with MK.Of course, my sample ended up being fingered with ten pairs of hands. Sell ​​it ?! Where is the limit of human greed? Where is decency?
I have mk every two weeks. Now I'm telling you where to get inspired and how to determine what can already be sold. When you don't criticize the finished work, it's easier to do. Since then, as I began to speak frankly in MK about organizing the gingerbread business, it became easier. Subscribed only to those of its students who can compete and develop in order to be happy for their success.
Nobody feeds me. And no one will pay for the apartment. And gingerbread is the only income. It is not a pity to share knowledge, when you talk about your favorite business, your mouth does not close and there are no secrets. It annoys me when a person is not critical of himself and is eager to sell at any cost.

It annoys me when a person is not critical of himself and is eager to sell at any cost.

well, in this you are right, perhaps))

[Yrochka]

Yrochka, Irina, I’m reading this polemic and I think it will turn out like this ..... since I, personally, am not able to come up with an exclusive design myself, come up with something of my own and also CONVINCE the client that what he is I sent him for a sample in no way will not suit - I now have no right to "paint" gingerbread? because my every gingerbread is a plagiarism ?! But after all, someone drew for the first time a flower, a bear, a bunny and another cartoon, and we draw on gingerbread - is this plagiarism ?! who has a patent for this invention ?!
here I fundamentally disagree, this is my work, done by me personally, at my level, and often they send me this, we want this! I can, say, I will not repeat this easier, I can draw, so now because of this I don’t sell the gingerbread, but give it away ?! under the pretext that I am not a high-class master and have no right to demand money for my work?

we have a lot of topics here, take a look at the cake section - for example, cakes, bags of money ... well, people want such a cake, so what? you have to tell them that you cannot make a bag because you didn’t come up with this design?

Ok, here you are planting potatoes in the spring, wrestling. You weed, you huddle. You collect beetles. What else are they doing with her? And in the fall a man comes and digs it out. Also wrestles by the way. And takes it away. He worked, he dug. And these neighbors tell you: so rejoice! They took the potatoes, which means they are tasty, even. Plant more !!!

this is what is called theft (plagiarism)! but if he bought seeds from me (the analogy paid for MK), asked for seeds (we all share our knowledge and skills here for free) and then grow it in his garden - and let him eat it for health!

It annoys me when a person is not critical of himself and is eager to sell at any cost.

you know, we all want to eat, our children, and some may have a period when gingerbread is the only income! that you have to sell something to buy the necessary thing! and nowhere else to take money .... and this is at least a minimum, but income! and what to do with the gingerbread on which we learn ?! do I really need to distribute for free to the entire village ?! several kilograms of honey, eggs, flour ?! why not sell them? not to recoup at least the products, since you want to be creative or you need to fill your hand ...
the family will not eat so much, that is, of course, she will eat, but at the same time she will ask for meat ...

Well, since my organization still lost today a lawyer for half a day, then - Plagiarism is expressed in the publication of someone else's work under its own name. Not to be confused with imitation - Imitation, parody, borrowing ideas (without copying specific technical solutions or fragments of a work, since ideas themselves cannot be subject to copyright). Adherence to canons and traditions, work within stylistic standards and the use of templates should also be distinguished from plagiarism. Plagiarism should not be confused with ideological, artistic or scientific continuity, development or interpretation of works of creativity or intellectual activity.It should be understood that all works of science and art are based to one degree or another on previously created works.
I think everything is very clear, we figured everything out, although everyone remained with their point of view, to which, however, they have every right!