klushka
Quote: ma3471

This is really exhausting and exhausting, my head swells from reviews, price lists and opinions on the forums.
I totally agree. Just by looking at the link given by you, I saw LG. After reading the forum myself, I almost succumbed to the general trend to buy a Panasonic. However, he is not worth chasing after him. You can buy a stove more affordable and not worse
Celestine
Quote: ma3471

Well ... now I have even more: - \ doom has increased with the third applicant. Thank you

If the choice is between these models, Panasonic ... and there is nothing to think about. Moreover, the price with mulka is not very different
natalka
Take better Panasonic. With him there are fewer surprises and more guarantees of decent baking. In my past I had the experience of using both Ski and Mulik ..... Yes, everywhere the baked goods are good and definitely better than purchased ones, but Panasonic is far ahead. The opposite can be said only by those who did not bake in Panasonic. And everyone who has two stoves in use (one of which is Panas) will tell you the same thing - take Panasonic.
Mams
As the owner of Ski and Panas, I say, Panas is more pleasant to me. But Ski 151ya (without a cake, but with jam) - worked for a very long time, more than 8 years. And I was happy. When the question arose about a replacement, I bought Panasonic. It's like switching from a domestic car to a foreign car, it also carries, but more pleasant. Undoubtedly more expensive. In choosing HP, the most important issue is finances and availability in the store. Even the cheapest ovens bake and bake well. But plastic is worse, Teflon is thinner, etc. There are fewer modes, but here the main thing is to put your hands and head. If the stove is frequent, you need a more reliable machine, if it is at the dacha for 3 months a year - then the budget option will be good.
ma3471
Quote: Mams

As the owner of Ski and Panas - I say, Panas is more pleasant to me.
A question for connoisseurs from viewers. In M-video, Panas 255 is made in China, and I heard here from someone somewhere that only Japanese Panasonic are perfect. Does anyone have a 255th made in Japan?

Again, I'm inclined towards Panasonic, and my personal experience with his other technique also affects - he works for a long time, persistently and honestly, not like Sonya, for example.

In addition, in the M-video, the action is Olympic and Panas 255 is sold for 5990 but a card for 1000r is attached to it, which can be purchased later. So it turns out Panas 255 will cost me 4990, provided that I can really choose something useful for those 1000r. Maybe someone has come across similar promotions in the M-video there are no dirty tricks there? It seems to me that they cannot but be.
Celestine
Quote: ma3471

A question for connoisseurs from viewers. In M-video, Panas 255 is made in China, and I heard here from someone somewhere that only Japanese Panasonic are perfect. Does anyone have a 255th made in Japan?

: D Japanese Panasonic is only in Japan
Mams
Quote: ma3471

A question for connoisseurs from viewers. In M-video, Panas 255 is made in China, and I heard here from someone somewhere that only Japanese Panasonic are perfect. Does anyone have a 255th made in Japan?

I think no. What is brought to Russia is almost always made in China.
Celestine
Quote: Mams

I think no. What is brought to Russia is almost always made in China.

Not only in Russia and Ukraine, "Chinese Japan", in Europe and America is the same
Rem
Stop thinking, or choose on the cards, or take someone from your relatives, which of the three you like, take. Why are they so not decisive?
ma3471
Quote: Rem

Stop thinking, or choose on the cards, or take someone from your relatives, which of the three you like, take. Why are they so not decisive?
And this is because I am easily persuaded in life ... I am trusting. When they tell me confidently enough, take LG, for example, it’s good, then I’m already persuading.This is not only with my bread maker now. In parallel, I am studying forums and tips on a home laser printer - a choice of 3, a motherboard of one of 3 and monitors ... but I have not yet reached them. Realistically for me this is torment, sleepless nights on the Internet and chronic fatigue as a result. I have to do something with myself ... I don't know what.
Lenusya
ma3471 , I agree with Mams and with natalkoy , if possible, take Panasonic, you will not regret it. I also like Panasonic more than LV, although I was pleased with the Ski.
Zest
Quote: klushka

In Panasonic, I am not satisfied with the lack of the ability to cook dough using a timer, it is very convenient if you want to get hot buns or pizza dough for breakfast before coming home after work.
;) if you really want to, then you can do this trick with Panasonic. Load everything for the dough into a bucket, set the Main mode to the timer, and in parallel with this - another timer (on the same oven, for example), or the most ordinary alarm clock in order to have time to shake out the finished dough from the bucket before baking starts. Everything is elementary simple))
Zest
Rem How can I understand you, the very nature of doubting, and I always want to choose the very best, so that later it will not be excruciatingly painful. You think later, maybe you should have taken not this, but this or that. But ... having bought Panasonic, I have never regretted it and would not want to change it to any other stove. So, stop hammering your head, buy Panasonic, if funds allow, bake bread, and choose another topic as a subject for such painful thoughts
ma3471
In general, it was decided to take the same Panas 255, the question is now different in which store from 2x. In Sunrise for 5665 or in M-video for 5990 but with a bonus card for 1000 ... that is, as if for 4990. I think in M-video it is not the left product, as well as in Sunrise, therefore the question only with this card is real whether I will be given to choose exactly what I need for it or from some limited list of stale and unnecessary things. It's just that you can buy it not immediately, but at a certain period from August 19. I'm afraid that when I come at this time I will see a choice not what I need, but what they do not need.
Zest
ma3471 Oh, I can't))) You need three stoves, right? Go and buy one Panasonic at a higher price for now)) You will have time to try it out until August 19, and only then, after making sure of the correctness of your choice, buy two more of the same with a bonus card))
klushka
Quote: Zest

;) if you really want to, then you can do this trick with Panasonic. Load everything for the dough into a bucket, set the Main mode to the timer, and in parallel with this - another timer (on the same oven, for example), or the most ordinary alarm clock in order to have time to shake out the finished dough from the bucket before baking starts. Everything is elementary simple))
I usually put the dough in the morning on the weekend, I can oversleep Yes, and it's troubles, we buy an automatic stove - I have to do everything myself.
Still, the lack of a timer for the dough is a significant drawback. Maybe they will do it in the next model.

Quote: Lenusya

ma3471 , I agree with Mams and with natalkoy , if possible, take Panasonic, you will not regret it. I also like Panasonic more than LV, although I was pleased with the Ski.
Can you find out what you like more? I'm now facing a choice myself, one of the Panasonic options
Zest
Quote: klushka

I usually put the dough in the morning on the weekend, I can oversleep Yes, and it's troubles, we buy an automatic stove - I have to do everything myself.
Still, the lack of a timer for the dough is a significant drawback. Maybe they will do it in the next model.
well, this is not such a big drawback that it made me abandon Panasonic. Pressing another button is not so messy. Especially when you consider the fact that I prefer to actively intervene in programs and combine everything that is possible. If there’s something I’m missing in it, it’s at least one personally exposed program ... or the introduction of at least some programming elements ...
And if you oversleep ... here you really don't know which is better Bread baked from dough or standing dough
ma3471
Quote: Zest

ma3471 Oh, I can't))) You need three stoves, right? Go and buy one Panasonic at a higher price for now)) You will have time to try it out until August 19, and only then, after making sure of the correctness of your choice, buy two more of the same with a bonus card))
So the fact of the matter is that it is not known what I will be offered to choose from during the period of stocking the card and whether these stoves will be at that moment. There is a fear that for the time of stocking up their bonus cards, they will only display stale goods. I think so, otherwise what's the point of organizing such actions ... they are not engaged in charity work, but make money for us.

I know that they had such promotions with cards and before that I would like to know from those who participated in them if my fears are correct?
Uncle Sam
Quote: klushka

Can you find out what you like more? I'm now facing a choice myself, one of the Panasonic options

Once a year, I give the opportunity to compare bread from my Panas and the parent Ski size 152. All relatives, even with their eyes closed, call Panasonic bread tastier and "of a special structure-consistency".
The ski bakes bread 100 times better than the store one. Many thanks to her for that.

But the difference is in the nuances.
LG-152 (I don't know about other stoves), in comparison with Panasonic-255:
requires more yeast and a little sugar for each baking (Panas bakes perfectly without sugar at all), is more sensitive to the temperature of the ingredients (especially does not like cold tap water), is noisier (the tin body resonates), with a monotonous rhythm it makes the batch for a relatively short time, impractical for kneading dough (a small bucket and a weak engine do not allow making a double portion), higher demands on the correct kolobok (Panas bakes bread even from the "wrong" kolobok), lower workmanship (both ovens have been in operation for more than a year, Skis has bucket play times 2 more).

But a year ago they differed in price by 2.5 times!
And whether these nuances are worth such a difference, everyone decides for himself.
ma3471
Thank you, the last drop, as they say, was added which overflowed this very ... the cup of patience ... everything is decided finally I take Panas 255 on the same Saturday ... not on Friday tomorrow and in the M-video because there immediately, and in Sunrise again a week it is painful to wait and doubt, frantically rummaging through the Internet in search of the answer "have I miscalculated" ... at the same time I will experiment with theirs shares ... maybe I'll guess what is right. If everything works out, then I think I will be the first on this site from whom Panas 255 will be purchased for just 5000 native Russian rubles. Wow, we'll take care then! I would also like to get coarse bread flour ... I hope I won't have to take it from Moscow, as in Soviet times, we brought our own Saratov wallpaper back to our homeland where they were made, and our own sausage from Moscow. That was a wonderful time, and then the riddles were wonderful - "long, green, it smells of sausage .... the Moscow-Saratov train"
LaraN
Quote: ma3471

If everything works out, then I think I will be the first on this site from whom Panas 255 will be purchased for just 5000 native Russian rubles.

Will not work! My stove was purchased for 4500 rubles in Moscow. And there were such times ...
klushka
Quote: Uncle Sam

Once a year, I give the opportunity to compare bread from my Panas and the parent Ski size 152. All relatives, even with their eyes closed, call Panasonic bread tastier and "of a special structure-consistency".
The ski bakes bread 100 times better than the store one. Many thanks to her for that.

But the difference is in the nuances.
LG-152 (I don't know about other stoves), in comparison with Panasonic-255:
requires more yeast and a little sugar for each baking (Panas bakes perfectly without sugar)

The recipe requires more yeast. It bakes beautifully without sugar, baked Italian from the German instructions to 255 Panasonic, it turned out gorgeous bread
more sensitive to the temperature of ingredients (especially dislikes cold tap water)

I am using preheat mode. There are no problems.
more noisy (tin case resonates)

I prefer a metal case. Panasonic makes in plastic, you don't have to choose
with a monotonous rhythm makes a batch for a relatively short time

I saw a Panasonic mix on YouTube - at first the scapula moves slowly, then faster. It's the same with LG. In Panasonic, one long batch, the maximum duration in the main mode is 30 minutes. In LG, a double batch with a rest break for a total of 25 minutes.
impractical for kneading dough (small bucket and weak engine prevent double batching)

I make bread and dough from 500 g of flour, the maximum amount of flour in 255 Panas is 600 g. At LG, judging by the technical data in the passports, the kneaders in all models cost the same power, only the sizes of the bucket differ.
higher demands on the correct kolobok (Panas bakes bread even from the "wrong" kolobok)

I never thought about the kolobok. Everything always worked out.
lower quality of workmanship (both stoves have been in operation for more than a year, Ski has 2 times more bucket play).

My stove is Korean assembly. How well the Chinese collect it - I don't know
But a year ago they differed in price by 2.5 times!
And whether these nuances are worth such a difference, everyone decides for himself.

But this is an argument for those who cannot or do not want to lay out 6 tons of rubles for the stove. Premium LG - Pay for Design
ma3471
Quote: LaraN

Will not work! My stove was purchased for 4500 rubles in Moscow. And there were such times ...
I didn't even succeed in 5000. I was going to take it today and today they raised the price to 6490 rubles. It is today, not earlier, not later ... Not destiny, as they say. Yes, in fact, it is for the better because, as it turned out, I did not calculate with finances, and if I bought a stove, I would not have enough money for what I planned to buy in Moscow on a business trip.

Now it remains to wait for the price to appear again at 4200 in Sunrise.
By all means (but not more than 4200 rubles), I will buy the same Panasonic 255!
LaraN
Quote: ma3471

By all means (but not more than 4200 rubles), I will buy the same Panasonic 255!

Yes, definitely Panasonic 255, you won't go wrong! I don’t regret it in the least.
Hope
Quote: ma3471


Now it remains to wait when in Sunrise the price will appear again at 4200.
By all means (but not more than 4200 rubles), I will buy the same Panasonic 255!
Unfortunately, you can hardly wait for such a price. I bought a stove for 4200 a year and a half ago. Since then, prices have risen significantly.
torturesru
You can wait, but only if you take a used one, I bought mine for 255 for 4500, she was a month after the purchase and baked 1-2 breads on it, in any case, the outer condition of the coatings was perfect.
ma3471
Maybe I'll wait and there will be a holiday on my avenue ... Or maybe I'm from that category who harnesses for a long time ... but then what will be what will be. Usually, if I start some kind of thing, then it is used to the fullest and not idle.
krisnat
May I ask my question? I, too, face a choice. Tell the lucky owners of Panasonic. And what shape is the bread? Will I be able to bake Easter cakes?
Mams
krisnat you will get a cake with a tall brick. The shape of the bread is similar to a black "Soviet" loaf. Here we bake cakes in the oven, but knead the dough in the Bread Maker. Although, if I was lazy in the oven, I was already baking in HP. Well, let it be a "brick", but it comes out tasty.

There is almost the only oven with a round bucket, just "cake" shape. This is Bork, there are two buckets. Alexandra has. It seems to be happy with the stove.
natalka
I saw the other day in MediaMarkt Belaya Dacha HP Panasonic 254 for 4700 and 255 for 5300. The price is wonderful. It's a pity that I don't need it anymore.
Raisin
Quote: klushka

It bakes beautifully without sugar, baked Italian from the German instructions to 255 Panasonic, it turned out gorgeous bread


And can you find out the recipe and which program to use (I don't have Italian in 255)?
klushka
Quote: Raisin

And can you find out the recipe and which program to use (I don't have Italian in 255)?
I don't have either. The oven can be in whole grain mode. Recipe from German instructions for Panasonic 255: 1 tsp yeast, 400 g flour, 1.5 tsp salt, 1.5 tbsp olive oil, 260 ml water
Raisin
Thank you! I'll try.
alex_sds
Chose not long as long as 2 days.
Chose between: Moulinex 3000 and 5002, Delongi 125, Panasonic 254 and 255.
Moulinex 3000 is dropped becausethere were bad reviews about it in different stores (returns due to problems with electronics)
Everyone likes the Moulinex 5002, but the consumption of over 800 watts and it is inconvenient to get the bucket is also gone.
Delongi 125 - I didn't like the build quality.
There are still two Panasonic models 254 and 255.
Stopped at 255, mostly based on advice and discussions from your forum
I will try tomorrow
Olga82
Can you please tell me the menu in Panasonic SD-255WTS and in 254 in Russian?
Freken Bock
Quote: Olga82

Can you please tell me the menu in Panasonic SD-255WTS and in 254 in Russian?

Yeah.
matyunya
Quote: krisnat

May I ask my question? I, too, face a choice. Tell the lucky owners of Panasonic. And what shape is the bread? Will I be able to bake Easter cakes?
And for me a demonstrator girl from M-video (in 2006, when Panas bought 253 for himself), made a present, in the form of 3 recipes for cakes, for episodes 252-253. (Monastic, royal and merchant kind are called.)
yukatta
I'm going to buy HP, experienced users, help me - should I take 255 or 253 is enough.
We eat little white bread, I'm going to bake mostly black or mixed bread, and of course, cakes. oh yes, jams - jams are also very good. are in demand. so tell me - 255 or 253 will still be enough ??? ...
Olga82
If you are going to make black bread, then you better take 255, there is a special spatula (knife) for kneading rye dough. As for jam, you know that jam cooked in HP does not last long!
sazalexter
yukatta sd-253 is discontinued; models SD-254 and SD-255 are on sale
Celestine
Quote: yukatta

I'm going to buy HP, experienced users, help me - should I take 255 or 253 is enough.
We eat little white bread, I'm going to bake mostly black or mixed bread, well, cakes naturally. oh yes, jams - jams are also very good. are in demand. so tell me - 255 or 253 will still be enough ??? ...

For your information: 255 differs from 253 in that the case is plastic (it’s easier to get it))) and there is no program - Italian.
But, as you were told, 253 is no more and for a long time, so take the 255-wonderful oven, you will not have to regret
yukatta
Thank you! on the search, two Moscow stores give out the presence of 253, maybe they just lay in the leftovers ... although I have not phoned yet.
belk @
And I want 254 - I don't really need a dispenser, and rye bread is not allowed. If these are all the differences, as I understood, then 254 is enough for me.
81ruslan81
Tell me, is such a thing as TEMPERATURE SETTING inherent in only 255 models or is there also in 254?
Oleg
81ruslan81
This function is also available in the SD-254
81ruslan81
oleg9979, thanks))
polugal
again we raise the question of how the Panasonic SD-255WTS Bread Maker differs from the Panasonic SD-255W Bread Maker and from the Panasonic SD-255 Bread Maker a big request to respond and quote I think that many are looking for answers to this question .... THANKS !!!
Rina
Quote: polugal

again we raise the question of how the Panasonic SD-255WTS Bread Maker differs from the Panasonic SD-255W Bread Maker and from the Panasonic SD-255 Bread Maker a big request to respond and quote I think that many are looking for answers to this question .... THANKS !!!
Virtually nothing. This is one and the same model, just the lettering after the model number is not all and not always written in full. The main thing is that the model is WTS (with a Russified menu), and not WXA and WXE, for example. The latter are for Europe and there are no jam and dumplings programs, but there is Italian bread and sandwich bread (as far as I remember).
Alexey83
Advise plz, a bread maker for a gift, you need to give it today, there is not much time to choose, so I understood that the difference between 254 and 255 is not great, can you take any? and maybe take a new model 256 or 257, how do they differ from the old ones?
Or can you recommend a good bread maker to another company? (money up to $ 250)
musyanya
Alexey83, welcome to the forum!
I advise Panasonic 255 or 257. In 257 the bucket has a slightly different coating, dark, the size of the stove is smaller. How durable the new coating is, no one knows, too little time they are sold, and therefore used. They say that the new stove spends less time on equalizing the temperature. The rest is almost the same. Whichever one will smile at you, buy that one. (After using Panasonic, it is MUCH harder to love a stove from another manufacturer ..)

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