Utensils for cooking (pots, pans, lids) (2)

[Kuhmeiste]

Yes, ok Vit, I corrected everything

Znatstsa all okay! Who would doubt that. But I still ask you to give working, not dead links, that you have on your site on the pictures from this post of yours:

KuhmeisteR
pljshik
On these photos are a frying pan with microgrill and on these with mini grill. The microgrill surface has a characteristic matte gray shade. Mini grill is the bottom of a pan perforated with round holes, the color is ordinary, polished metal.

Not yet, but from the end of next week these pans will appear in St. Petersburg ...

Which ones will appear? With micro grill? Or with a mini?
And another question - "The microgrill surface has a characteristic matte gray shade. "- and the relief is not visible? And do all models of frying pans have an inscription on the bottom - micro grill or mini grills?

P.S. And can you specify again what is the bottom diameter of the new frying pan?

Here are the data on the frying pans produced at the moment, all of them with a mini grill:
Series Lotus saucepan 24cm, capacity 2.8l. -185mm
Magnolia series frying pan / saucepan 24 cm., Capacity 3.0l. - 220mm.
Orchid series frying pan 22cm. , capacity 2.2l. -190mm.
Orchid series frying pan 24cm. , capacity 2.7l. -220mm.
A new frying pan that we plan to release with a 22cm micro grill. and capacity. 1.8l. -205mm.

Is that correct?
Why do you call Lotus 24 cm stewpan and Magnolia 24 cm frying pan / casserole? What's the Difference?

All my life with them, yes, Anh? And then they themselves are surprised.

Why do you call Lotus 24 cm stewpan and Magnolia 24 cm frying pan / casserole? What's the Difference?
It's simple - a container with one long handle is called (frying pan / saucepan), and with two side ones, that is, "saucepans" - called a saucepan. In the Magnolia series there are 2 versions in the form of a pan and in the form of a frying pan, and in the Lotus series only 1 - in the form of a frying pan. 24cm. containers are produced by saucepans, that is, frying pans with high sides. Only 22cm can be called purely frying pans. pans in the Lotus and Orchid series.
There is currently only one frying pan with microgrill - in the Lotus 22cm series. and capacity. 1.8l. bottom capsule diameter -205mm. with a corresponding inscription on the bottom, the same one that is shown in the photo quoted by Vit. All other pans / saucepans / stewing pans - with mini grill. Even a mini grill, with skillful use, unlike pans with a smooth bottom, copes without problems with most of the most common dishes, such as cutlets, potatoes, scrambled eggs / omelet, etc. The effectiveness of a micro grill is most obvious on dishes such as pancakes, cheese pancakes, etc. I hope that this new generation of frying pans will finally put an end to the discussion about the need to use special polymer non-stick coatings in stainless steel pans ...

[Wit]

Wit,
With links, this situation happened after the moderator cleaned up the brain products of evil ixbt trolls, whose invasion was recently experienced by the topic "Kuhar dishes" on smorgon.org. By the way, Vit, the moderator asked not to abuse the insertion of large, unrelated images, stretching content and distracting readers from the text of posts.

[mr.Catlery]

mr.Catlery, and where can you touch these pans with your pens and look with your eyes in Moscow?

Girls and boys, help please, I can not find a topic where baking molds are condemned.
I looked at the store, which seemed to be suitable, from PYREX, but I was confused by the price ...

Girls and boys, help please, I can not find a topic where baking molds are condemned.

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=22419.0

LenaV07, thank you very much for the quick response !!!

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At the "Gourmet" tomorrow is the last day of discounts. Frying pan with corrugated bottom 2000 rubles, frying pan 800 rubles.

Good morning everybody! Girls Ilya Nikolaevich modified the Zepter brazier, now pancakes are fried on it, a little more and we will get a wonderful frying pan, Hurray!

Hurray, I already want a decent pan for pancakes! I am VERY happy with the saucepans, now I dream of a frying pan ... IN we believe in you !!!

[Baba Valya]

Baba Valya, and in Moscow did not buy anything Kuharovsky?

Nooo, it didn't work out. In the spring I will go, maybe there will be already desirable frying pans and high steamers then ... (in a whisper, maybe they will bring them back to us in E-d, otherwise it's hard to drag). And in Moscow time I bought a dough roll Imperia - happy

Good morning everyone! Yesterday I called the girls (who are engaged in Kuhar in Moscow), unfortunately in January they will not go to Smorgan. So hope for February only to get the frying pans!

Girls new information from uv. Kuhmeister. Anyone in Moscow who wants to get pans, call by phone. 8 916 940 48 80 (Ella), they go to Smorgon on January 27-28 to buy goods, take orders, so hurry up to order !!!!!! Hurray waited!

Tell me, pzhl, which dishes are better Gourmet or Kuhar? Or are they made of the same dough and the quality is the same? : girl-th: I'm confused ...

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, it seems to me, made of the same test. What the soul lies for, then buy.

I have Tatyana and Gourmet and Kukhar, so I like Kukhar pots more (I am already silent about the pans), it seems to me they keep the heat longer, that is, the bubbling process after turning off the gas in them is longer !! I really use the Gourmet frying pan now, too, all the time, because I heat it up correctly and cook it on the lowest heat, nothing burns, and after cooking there is no need to scrub.

The gourmet is good, high-quality, well-made dishes. If we talk about Gourmet pots and compare them with the "Orchid" series from KUKHAR, then in terms of workmanship, steel grade and other technical characteristics, they can be considered close analogues. They differ primarily in design and fittings (handles). The Gourmet has a classic shape of the container, close to the Lotus series from KUKHARA. If we talk about frying pans, then the Gourmet loses to KUKHAR in functionality, in the old fashioned way using a smooth bottom, which KUKHAR no longer has on any serial frying pan. Among other things, KUKHAR has a larger model range, the ability to use steamers of different capacities, displacement marks and a wider selection of accessories. But, again, the choice is still up to the buyer - who likes what more and who is available in terms of the purchase opportunity.

Can someone tell me a link or address where in Moscow you can still buy Gourmet dishes with discounts today? Thank you.

And now I'm wondering if there is a store with Kuhar dishes in Moscow? It's good to look at the pictures, but I would also like to touch them. :-)

[pljshik]

pljshik, thanks for the information, called, ordered. On January 30 they will return from Smorgon, they promised to call back

Do they send them to other cities?

Do they send them to other cities?

I don't know ... I'll go to the store to pick them up.

They don't send to other cities, they have a warehouse in Moscow, and they sell at fairs. Last year, they went to Volgograd themselves. So you need to call them and find out if they will suddenly go somewhere with the goods. It seems to me that it is necessary to do this in advance, since they take something on order.

Do they send them to other cities?

I don't know ... I'll go to the store to pick them up.

Can you tell me where the store is?

They don't send to other cities, they have a warehouse in Moscow, and they sell at fairs. Last year, they went to Volgograd themselves. So you need to call them and find out if they will suddenly go somewhere with the goods. It seems to me that it is necessary to do this in advance, since they take something on order.

That's just it, that they will not come to us soon ... We will wait ...

Can you tell me where the store is?

I don’t know (just don’t laugh), I hope they will tell you by phone where to drive up to get your order.

For those who are in Moscow and are going to go to the warehouse, first call Ella (she will go to your checkpoint to take you to the warehouse). Take the metro station Fili or 1905. Then by minibus 28m stop Melkombinat (Shmittovsky proezd, 39). Ella's phone number has already been written.

Articles of pans with modified surface:

Frying pan Lotus - Classic with micro grill
- with a metal cover K11356225
- with glass cover К21356225

Frying pan Lotus-Tradition with micro grill
- with a metal cover K10356225
- with glass cover К20356225

And the series Lotus, Magnolia and Orchid differ only in the thickness of the walls and bottom, right? pljshik, and there in the warehouse only by pre-order or can you come and choose?

Song *, and what is their diameter?

Pans with a modified surface are 22cm in size. and capacity 1.8l.

Tatiana calls up with Ella, ask what interests you, if this is not enough, then ask to postpone. Then eat, look, they will show you everything !!

Can someone tell me a link or address where in Moscow you can still buy Gourmet dishes with discounts today?

Look at their website, there is no single list with discounts, but in different series there are positions marked "sale".
And the addresses of the stores are there, and before you go, it is better to call and make sure that everything you need is really in stock.
I bought in the fall on Nagatinskaya, 5 minutes walk from the metro.

[Cooking utensils]

Only now I read this topic. It's bad when an important topic with a title Cooking utensils becomes an advertising platform for one site
But we'll fix it

[not closed to anyone]

But this is the entrance not closed to anyone... You yourself saw this when you extinguished passions. It's just that the frying pan is made using a completely new technology and does not require a non-stick coating (and does not burn like that), which other manufacturers cannot yet boast of. But lies about the so-called. "ceramic" and even "stone" ("granite") abound. And our hostesses have already figured it out. I did not see advertising as such here. Go the answers on specific questions of the hostesses. The difference with advertising cries ("Buy!", "Only with us!" "We are the best!") Is obvious.

Please don't fix anything !!! I have been looking for so long where you can buy NORMAL dishes, at an affordable price, and even listen to (communicate) with people who have them, not to mention the person who produces them (this is generally surprising - now it is so - he sold and washed away, and I.N. ANSWERS the questions without imposing anything on anyone !!!). Thank you for understanding...

Indeed, for once, I finally heard objective, reasoned answers to my questions. Thank you for understanding.

[nowhere]

Don't panic, my dears! In the morning I think more slowly. And I misunderstood the Chief's thought. I am sure that we are talking about your communication with Kuhmeister-Ketleri-I. N. was singled out as a separate Temka. And all the other zepter-gipfel-neva-titan discussed their "ceramics" on the common topic "Dishes for ..." And we will have our own Temka like "Dishes of Smorgon level with IHL". With this name it will be more comfortable for us and the doors will be open for newcomers. It’s interesting to know, who’s behind IHL? Not everyone can sit on a chain branch with noodles on their ears. Oh yeah, please! And I bring clarity. I nowhere did not say that the zepter dishes are bad. On the contrary, it is of a very high quality.And now ATTENTION! (I shout on purpose). Do not confuse Zepter itself with offices of the same name in the CIS. Yes, these are the offices of a genuine zepter, but with staff from our compatriots. And this is where miracles begin, which Filya Zepter himself did not see in his old dream. Oh, everything! I don't want any more. Everything will be fine!

It's just that the frying pan is made using a completely new technology and does not require a non-stick coating (and does not burn like that), which other manufacturers cannot yet boast of.

This is not entirely true. There is NO big difference between the so-called "microgrill surface" and a conventional stainless steel frying pan, such as the Gourmet. And in an ordinary Gourmet frying pan pancakes are baked, potatoes and fried eggs are fried. And on many pans of other brands, if it is of high quality, and not super-cheap stuff. This has been discussed many times and in detail on another forum.
I will allow myself to quote the words of users of this frying pan from a forum of one Belarusian city, which is often referred to here.

Jazzwoman
QUOTE (Flying Dutchman)
In general, as far as I understand, it sticks due to the fact that I give too much temperature?

At low temperatures it will stick even more. You need the optimum temperature so that the oil does not burn, but a dry crust quickly forms on the product. A dry crust forms well if the product is breaded in flour or breadcrumbs. In general, if the saucepan is closed with a lid (10 minutes before readiness), then everything will come off.

As in an ordinary pan, as in a pan with holes, the so-called "mini-grill", and on a rough "micro-grill" surface, certain conditions must be observed. And hope that this frying pan will behave like a good Teflon pan is probably not worth it.
But difficulties with washing and cleaning may arise. But everyone decides for himself whether to take part in tests and experiments or not. If you really want to, then 1400-1500r + delivery costs are not so big money.
But I repeat, you can still do it in a simple frying pan. You just need to be able or willing to learn.

Well, who does not need this (to be able to learn), it is easier to buy a good quality non-stick frying pan. Only definitely of high quality. And there are many of them. And they are not that expensive.

about the so-called. "ceramic"

But I have a saucepan and a frying pan with a beige ceramic (as written on the label) coating - can they be no less harmful than Teflon?

[plastic]

No, they cannot. You just need to treat them delicately. And teflon is not harmful. Rumors about the unfortunate parrots have already gotten out. I have a little bit about the "ceramic" coating. Read it if you're interested.

Unfortunately, these reviews will only be misleading for many. This "non-sticking" will soon pass (in a year or two). And if you accidentally overheat the frying pan,: think:: mil5: ... After all, there is only one name for "ceramic" in this coating, and you will fry it all on siloxane - silicone grease, which, when it burns out, makes further use of the frying pan almost impossible - go to it everything starts to stick. And this can happen quite quickly, the siloxane conducts heat very well, so it is quite easy to overheat the pan.
The concept of "ceramics" is now widely interpreted and refers to simple oxides, carbides, nitrides and other compounds. But this is a scientific interpretation. Traditional ceramics go through a high-temperature firing stage. Ceramic coatings are not subject to high-temperature firing, therefore they cannot be classified as ceramics. They are considered ceramic only because of the inclusion of silicon and oxygen in their composition ... (then glass with sand can be called that).
This is the result of the manufacturers' unscrupulous use of the name "ceramic coating": almost all, ninety-nine percent of buyers are sure that the "ceramic" coating entirely consists of the ceramics from which ceramic pots and porcelain plates are made.A small number of doubters simply do not understand how clay pottery can be non-stick. And no one realizes that in their pan the same polymer as PTFE. When you explain in consultation that newfangled ceramics are nothing more than cured silicone, adequate buyers react correctly and choose PTFE pans. And many are now beginning to understand that talk about the dangers of Teflon is nothing more than a journalistic duck of the yellow press, generously funded by someone ...
And Doctor of Medical Sciences, Professor Elena Malysheva should be called to account for her words, together with the manufacturer of pans. What is the basis of her statement: "I think that ceramic coated dishes are the most correct dishes for health." As a scientist of high rank, she should know that this must be substantiated by scientific methods. After all, people think that she cares about their health. How often we hear: “Elena Malysheva told us which dishes are harmful and which are good. Give us the one advised by Elena Malysheva. " (What is the opinion of the medical luminaries about her yourself google.)
If you just go to the Internet, you can find a lot of interesting things about "ceramic" coatings. For example, the substance that is the coating is correctly called an organosilicon polymer or polyorganosiloxane or polysiloxane or polydimethylsiloxane rubber or silicone, etc.
The basis for the production of polysiloxane is tetraethylorthosilicate, which is mixed with ethyl or isopril alcohol and water. Other raw materials can also be used, such as tetrachlorosilane.
Well, isn't it very difficult? Then I think that's enough.
Some manufacturers write that their ceramic coating is made of natural materials. Another manufacturer NaturePan says: "The composition of the non-stick ceramic coating contains only natural materials such as: sand, water, stones." But there are no inorganic atoms (Si, Ti, Al), combined with organic radicals in nature. Buyers, having read about such a composition, think that these stones are melted with sand, then poured into a pan, this is a ceramic coating.
In conclusion.
The main thing that we found out on the Internet is that the "ceramic" coating is organosilicon ceramics or organosilicon polymer. So is it ceramic or plastic? The basis for the production of ceramics are natural materials: clays, kaolins, quartz and pure quartz sands, feldspar, pegmatite, chalk, limestone, dolomite. The preparation of the ceramic mass is carried out by cleaning the raw material from harmful mineral inclusions, crushing, grinding, sifting through sieves, dosing, mixing. Then shaping, drying and firing takes place. “Roasting is the main technological process. As a result of complex physical and chemical transformations occurring at high temperatures, ceramic products acquire mechanical strength. Firing is performed in two steps. For porcelain products at a temperature of 900-950˚С and 1320-1380˚С, for earthenware products 1240-1280˚С and 1140-1180˚С. "[I will not give a reference to the literature. Anyone interested - write in a personal] There is no other definition of ceramics. "Ceramic" coatings do not contain such materials and do not go through such a technological cycle. This means they are not ceramic.
We open the encyclopedia. She calls organosilicon polymers plastic.
There was no mention anywhere that organosilicon polymers are ceramics.
It turns out that the coating on pans with a "ceramic" coating is plastic... This is consumer deception. Consumers think the pans are covered in real ceramics. If you announce that the "ceramic" coated pans are actually coated with plastic, who will buy them? It makes sense to change one plastic for another, moreover, more expensive and less durable. It makes no sense for the buyer, he has only losses from the frequent change of dishes. The whole point is in your pocket manufacturer.
All! Do not wash "ceramics" in the dishwasher. And don't jump too much on the beautifully named Thermolon. : kiss2:
Good luck to you all!

I wrote this for myself. So do not blame me for not specifying the author. Was not going to spread.

[no]

But I have a saucepan and a frying pan with a beige ceramic (as written on the label) coating - can they be no less harmful than Teflon?

Life is generally harmful. There is fried food too, but here we are not talking about the greater or lesser "harmfulness" of this or that coating, but rather about the resource of the dishes. In addition to the dishes themselves, it is important how they heat up, what is cooked in them and how they are looked after. At this point, the following things are obvious:
1. At the moment, the resource of dishes with the so-called. "ceramic" (based on polyorganosiloxane) coating is noticeably inferior to reinforced coatings based on PTFE (fluoroplastic), meaning the preservation of consumer qualities and functionality. Documented and scientifically proven facts confirming the exceptional hygienic safety of this or that type of polymer non-stick coating at the moment no... The information disseminated by Dr. Malysheva and K in the program "Zhit zdorovya" about some exceptional safety of polyorganosiloxane coatings and the alleged harmfulness of Teflon coatings is explained by her personal participation in the profits from the sale of the tableware of the same name with the transfer, the importer from China and the wholesaler of which is Antares-Trade LLC ".
2. No matter how some people praise dishes with a non-stick coating, it is quite obvious that the resource of its use is limited by the resource of the polymer coating, which is destroyed both mechanically and due to the destruction of the polymer itself, which plays the role of an anti-adhesive component. Moreover, the restoration of the original consumer properties of used products, if even possible, is simply not economically feasible.
3. In the use of non-stick coatings on stainless steel products there is no need, in contrast, for example, from aluminum products, where the coating, among other things, protects the aluminum base from reaction with food. Stainless steel is already reliably protected by a chromium oxide film, and non-stick coatings have obviously worse adhesion to stainless steel than to aluminum and work on stainless steel obviously worse due to its low (compared to aluminum) thermal conductivity.
4. Smooth polished and finely ground stainless steel surfaces work very well in heat treatment processes where the working medium is water (cooking, stewing) and the operating temperatures do not exceed + 100C (cooking under normal atmospheric pressure) and are not very suitable for frying pans ... Since frying is a type of heat treatment of products in which oil is the working medium and operating temperatures can reach + 180C. Therefore, only a person who has never used such products can say that the smooth surface of a stainless steel frying pan works just like having a mini or micro grill.

Girls who wanted to buy a modified Kuhar frying pan, call Ella - they brought it yesterday !! And whoever wanted to buy from Volgograd - they will go to you around February 14, so call up and you will be happy !! Good luck everyone!

pljshik thank you, I'll call you!