Creamy
Type in the search for "hardening", the great and mighty Internet gives you answers, and all questions are removed. I did it a long time ago, found out, sighed with relief and closed the topic.
mr.Catlery
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mr.Catlery, with macro mini micro grills is understandable.
And you can decipher what you mean by "radically changed its surface morphology."
Is it a non-stick surface coat or some other chemical or mechanical surface treatment?
I specifically cited above photos of the initial state of the Zwilling pan and what happened to it after processing. Also, I specifically mentioned that it is not covering... This treatment can be attributed to mechanical methods of action on the surface. As a result of this action on the surface of the pan, an ordered microrelief (surface morphology changes), providing the effect of retention of the oil film (see photo above). The oil film, in turn, provides a non-stick effect. This is how you can briefly describe the principle of operation of a microgrill (modified) surface. A certain insignificant effect of surface hardening is certainly present, but it is rather a side effect, which practically does not affect the non-stick properties of the surface as a whole. Conventional non-stick coatings use chemical polymers such as PTFE or siloxane to create an anti-stick effect on the surface, which themselves have poor wettability properties. But like any coating, these polymers are gradually destroyed and undergo natural destruction during heating / cooling. In this regard, a stainless surface is "indestructible" and does not threaten destruction. The anti-burning component (oil) is involved in the frying process only once and is completely removed by subsequent washing. This is a more correct approach to the cooking process in terms of ensuring proper food hygiene.
marinastom
Here they wrote above that white spots appeared at the bottom of stainless steel pots and the owners use only silicone and delicate hygiene products.
Is it fundamentally similar to handling such unkillable material? I have such points after boiling water, etc., so they are easily wiped off just with the rough side of a dish sponge. And I only have silicone for AP. Oh really, mr.Catlery Are your products so delicate?
mr.Catlery
That's why I asked for a photo to look at both "white spots" and scratches from silicone accessories. Cookware is made of standard steel grade 304, which has completely defined mechanical properties indistinguishable from dishes of other brands, also made from 304 steel. Therefore, Kuhar cannot comment on the topic of supposedly some special "tenderness" of the dishes.
marinastom
CHTD! Thank you, otherwise I somehow began to worry about my non-Kuharov pots. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, that I'm fine?
mr.Catlery
A scratch is, by definition, a trace of contact with an object harder than the material of the pan itself (otherwise the object itself would have been erased). therefore spontaneous, spontaneous the appearance of scratches on the bottom of the pan is something of the paranormal, regardless of the user's claims. These are just two fundamentally different approaches of a person to an emerging problem: in the first case, it is everyone's fault and the second is an attempt to find the cause of failure in himself. For this simple reason, 100% of consumers cannot be absolutely satisfied with one or another dish. There is always someone who has something "wrong". Therefore, we must calmly and consistently understand everything, by joint efforts. There is a guarantee for the dishes, the consumer has the right to make a claim, and the manufacturer has the right to check the quality and find out the reasons. Normal "working" procedure ... for which we are always ready
Song

Quote: Mr. Catlery

I specifically cited above photos of the initial state of the Zwilling pan and what happened to it after processing. Also, I specifically mentioned that it is not covering... This treatment can be attributed to mechanical methods of action on the surface. As a result of this action on the surface of the pan, an ordered microrelief (surface morphology changes), providing the effect of retention of the oil film (see photo above). The oil film, in turn, provides a non-stick effect. This is how you can briefly describe the principle of operation of a microgrill (modified) surface. Of course, there is some insignificant effect of surface hardening, but it is rather a side effect, which practically does not affect the non-stick properties of the surface as a whole. Conventional non-stick coatings use chemical polymers such as PTFE or siloxane to create an anti-stick effect on the surface, which themselves have poor wettability properties. But like any coating, these polymers are gradually destroyed and undergo natural destruction during heating / cooling. In this regard, the stainless surface is "indestructible" and does not threaten destruction. The anti-burning component (oil) is involved in the frying process only once and is completely removed by subsequent washing. This is a more correct approach to the cooking process in terms of ensuring proper food hygiene.



Thank you, mr.Catlery! And Happy New Year to you!
We are waiting for your frying pans.
Galina234
Hello, Ilya Nikolaevich! Please tell me, when will your pans be in Moscow? The girls in the warehouse in Moscow told you to agree with you so that you could transfer the frying pan here with the next delivery. How to do it? I really want to come to an agreement with you.
Song
Quote: Galina234

I really want to come to an agreement with you.
So everyone wants ...
mr.Catlery
Everything will be in January delivery ...
Galina234
Thank you, Ilya. I will torture them in January. Happy New Year!
Anna1957
Quote: Mr. Catlery

Everything will be in January delivery ...

What about Peter?
mr.Catlery
Peter, too, will not be left without pans.
Happy New Year everyone! Health and good luck in the coming year!
Anna1957
Quote: Mr. Catlery

Peter, too, will not be left without pans.

Thank you, Santa Claus!
Wit

I join in the congratulations!
LenaV07
Happy New Year everyone! Health, fulfillment of our plans, joy!
mr.Catlery And to you, plus everything, commercial success!

And let me ask a question ... Ilya Nikolaevich, is business contact possible with Ukraine? I would like to purchase a set of dishes, well, and a frying pan without fail ... I think that there would be more than one person willing to do this. Directly to Donetsk. I have already interviewed everyone I could. Nobody goes to Belarus
Ipatiya
Quote: Mitya

And the Kuhar-ovsky pots "Lotos" disappointed us. For 3 months of use, 1-2 times a week (oatmeal porridge or broth from chicken breast fillet) on an electric stove, diameter-mode, silicone spoons-scapula-ladle, wiping-rubbing with a detergent and towels, - all strictly according to the attached instructions. And the inner bottom is in places in small white dots that cannot be removed and it is not clear where they have appeared from scratches - as if the dishes had been in use by Fedora for 2 years. The outside is flawless.

My dishes are not Kuhar, but Gourmet and Gipfel. In both, white dots are formed when I boil unfiltered water from the tap on an induction cooker. They are also badly removed.
mr.Catlery
Quote: Ipatiya

My dishes are not Kuhar, but Gourmet and Gipfel.In both, white dots are formed when I boil unfiltered water from the tap on an induction cooker. They are also badly removed.
Both Gourmet and "old" Gipfel are made of the same steel grade as the Kuhar cookware. Dots or limescale spots on stainless steel cookware is a completely normal phenomenon. There is no need to rub them, the scale will easily dissolve with weak aqueous solutions of vinegar, citric acid or natural lemon juice. These substances can be found in almost any kitchen, so there is really no problem of descaling.
Ipatiya
Quote: Mr. Catlery

Dots or limescale spots on stainless steel cookware is a completely normal phenomenon.

Thank you! Thats exactly what I mean.
mr.Catlery
LenaV07
So far, everything is complicated with Ukraine, I have already written about this before. I will try to ask our entrepreneurs, who regularly travel to Khmelnitsky to buy goods, how this can be done.
AlenaT
We would be very grateful !!!)))
| Alexandra |
Leningrad region also joins in congratulations, may the New Year not only justify all expectations, but surpass all expectations! And the Leningrad Region is also waiting for pans ... In the meantime, in anticipation, there are continuous problems - Ilya Nikolaevich, you said in the fall that you had Polaris 0517 and you tested a stainless steel bowl with a modified surface in it, what about this bowl, is there any hope?
mr.Catlery
Quote: | Alexandra |

Leningrad region also joins in congratulations, may the New Year not only justify all expectations, but surpass all expectations! And the Leningrad Region is also waiting for pans ... In the meantime, in anticipation, there are continuous problems - Ilya Nikolaevich, you said in the fall that you had Polaris 0517 and you tried a stainless steel bowl with a modified surface in it, what about this bowl, is there any hope?
With the bowl, alas, I haven’t succeeded yet - our container for a double boiler fits very well in diameter and top edge, but not in height - there is a gap between the bottom and the heating element. It is necessary to adjust the tool to increase the height of the container. So far I can’t agree to do it.
| Alexandra |
It's a pity, but I dreamed for several months in vain, which means ... This coating is completely tired - with 120g oil. sticks. Then the pans should be given out first of all to those who have bowls with ceramic from Polaris ...
mr.Catlery
Quote: | Alexandra |

It's a pity, but I dreamed for several months in vain, which means ... This coating is completely tired - with 120g oil. sticks. Then the pans should be given out first of all to those who have bowls with ceramic from Polaris ...
Well, not that in vain. It just didn't work out yet ... And how long did your Polaris' ceramic bowl normally serve?
| Alexandra |
I won't even say for sure, maybe more than six months. Now I'm thinking - whether to buy Teflon for Shteba, or for Polaris 0501, which has a famous brand name. Polaris's pastries are boring and not for sure, but Shteba's frying is so crazy that I don't need one at all, even as a roast.
| Alexandra |
The girls in Shtebe bake on the fry, I probably don't want to use Teflon with such a strong heat. I'll think of something else for baking, in the end, Polaris sometimes did a very decent job with baking.
LenaV07
Quote: Mr. Catlery

LenaV07
So far, everything is complicated with Ukraine, I have already written about this before. I will try to ask our entrepreneurs, who regularly travel to Khmelnitsky to buy goods, how this can be done.
Please take an interest !!! Maybe they could bring it to Khmelnitsky and send it from there by "Novaya Poshta" (this is a road carrier in Ukraine)? Conductors and trains are not an option. But "shuttle traders" are an option ...
AlenaT
We support very, very much !!!)))
Margit
It turns out we have these dishes in Kazan. Probably, I could send by a transport company if anyone needs it.
Maybe the online store itself can send to Ukraine, take an interest, here is the link to the store: 🔗
marinastom
Alas, Margit , your store works only for you.
LenaV07
Margit dear, thank you very much! But buying Belarusian dishes in Kazan and sending them to Ukraine is We will unwind mr.Catlery , he will nevertheless be closer to us
Margit
Lena, what's wrong with that? Hunting is worse than bondage. After all, I also order a lot of things from Ukraine, sometimes from Lilia - Lyulka, then from BaristaSTEEL in Kiev. Apply, than I can - I will help.
Wit
: elka: Dear ladies. I recommend checking out Mr. Ketleri (to Kuhmeister) and listen to a small lecture about ... in general, about pans, frying on them, a video to see how a zepter can be turned into a modified frying pan. That way:
🔗 To clarify: this is the last page, 72nd.

kirch
Tell me, what is the correct name for a frying pan with a micro grill? Belarusians trade in our market, I will order them. I just want to name it correctly, so that they bring what they need.
Wit
It is now called the Surface Modified Frying Pan. Better ask Mr. Ketleri. I already gave links. One of them is higher.
kirch
Thank you. I followed the link
lega
Quote: Wit
That way:
🔗 To clarify: this is the last page, 72nd.
Wit, I went to your link and already on that site came across another link about frying pans. I sit and read and understand that everything is quite interesting and informative there. Therefore, I post links to three articles on our forum. It is not a professional who writes, it is possible that in some ways one can and should disagree with him ... It is better if you read the comments to these articles.

About pans in the home kitchen
1) Review and selection of pans. - 🔗
2) Care for pans. - 🔗
3) Frying technique and features of individual products. - 🔗
Wit


From Mr. Ketleri-Kuhmeister.

Kuhmeister

In order to remove certain questions that have arisen about the correct name and appearance (marking) of a frying pan with a modified surface (with microgrill), I publish photos of this product.

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kirch
And what is there written on the bottom, except Kuhar. I can't show the picture when ordering to Belarusians
mr.Catlery
Written by "micro grill surface"
kirch
Thank you. So this is the same, so expected frying pan.
Wit
Quote: Mr. Catlery
Written "mini grill surface"

Why are you kidding me there !? What a fright in a frying pan "... with a modified surface (with microgrill), suddenly write "..."minigrill surface "?! Huh? Mr. Ketleri! What would the enemy not guess ?! And one more thing: these are your links
"... pljshik
On these photo frying pan with microgrill and on these with mini grill ... " lead nowhere. Correct, pzhalsta!
adviser
Quote: Mr. Catlery
Written "mini grill surface"
What is a mini grill surface? will there be a maxigril?
I read here that they even promised a micro grill, they cheated again.
kirch
Quote: Wit

Why are you kidding me there !? What a fright in a frying pan "... with a modified surface (with microgrill), suddenly write "..."minigrill surface "?! Huh? Mr. Ketleri! What would the enemy not guess ?! And one more thing: these are your links
"... pljshik
On these photo frying pan with microgrill and on these with mini grill ... " lead nowhere. Correct, pzhalsta!

I didn't understand anything. So this isn't the right pan?
Wit
Quote: kirch
I didn't understand anything. So this isn't the right pan?
Yes that ... I just suspect that Mr. Ketleri was joking. Let's wait ...

pljshik
Good evening everyone! This is what the dear Mr. Ketleri - "The microgrill surface has a characteristic matte gray shade. The mini-grill is the bottom of the pan perforated with round holes, the color is ordinary, polished metal."

Wit
And good to you!
Yeah, it would be better to show these holes in the pan with your finger. There is no perforation in the photo. Znazza microgrill. And what we all see in the authoritative record: "It is written" mini-grill surface. "And above the pictures of pans there is an even more authoritative inscription:" ... pans with a modified surface (with a micro-grill) ... "Essentially, my dear women are in complete confusion and They ask, looking at me: “So what was that ?!” She, I can explain everything correctly. But there are no such rights to say something against Kuhmeister.I can only timidly assume that HE was wrong. It happens...
All. I'm going to sleep. Excuse me for my show off - it was a nervous day right in the morning.
mr.Catlery
Yes, okay Vit, I corrected everything, I really got a typo. Don't worry so much. Only the one who does nothing is not mistaken. In the pictures everything is as it should be. Let's not feed the trolls again. Today, after 3-ply, Zwilling fell under the "modification" and a used Zepter with a smooth bottom, do not throw it away for professional unsuitability having paid that kind of money ... Tomorrow we will try it in action
mr.Catlery
Not yet, but from the end of next week these pans will appear in St. Petersburg ...

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