Stone (plate) for baking bread

[Tanya]

Tanya, I pull the whole sheet out of the oven onto a shovel and immediately put it on the table. The paper bends quite a bit, it is absolutely not critical, it does not injure the pies. And on such a round sheet I bake hearth bread. Very convenient, especially when baking with steam.

Tom, you can just pull it off, probably because the stone is rectangular, right? And mine is round, the pies fall on the sides along the road, if you do this. But I, just like you, pull the bread onto the board by the corner of the paper.

But who can tell their observations on casseroles. I read somewhere that to get a good casserole, you need to put the form with it not on the sheet, but on the wire rack. I used to put the form directly on the stone. Now I put the microwave rack on the stone once, and on it a dish with a cottage cheese casserole. It seems to be better, but maybe it's self-hypnosis? Like in the movie "Old robbers" - "And after the restoration it became better ...")))

Tan, it seems to me everything that is baked in the form and turns out so well. I baked bread on a stone a couple of times, I did not notice the difference.

No, I also bake bread on a stone, but it's about cottage cheese casseroles (maybe some more)

[Tanya]

Tanya, I bake casseroles in a form on a wire rack, but I have an oven with steam, it was written in the instructions that for baking bread and casseroles. I did them with steam on a wire rack, super. Only when this very steam is injected, I slam it all the time, since I mainly use cartoon for casseroles.

I, too, constantly forget one thing or another. I always put a timer, I have a mechanical timer on my stove, I put it so that I know when to take out the bread, only it will ring so quietly, I can't hear it from the next room, I seem to have heard it, but I am writing something super important on my laptop. I say to myself: Right now, wait a minute, I’m on my way, .... well, it happens that this social network nirvana will drag on, it turns out that bread is a suharik))) Although it is rare, it has happened.

[vermiculite board]

Hello everyone! I'm looking for a stone in my city until I found only vermiculite board... It is described as a non-toxic refractory material. Here's a quote:

Vermiculite is a natural mineral belonging to the hydromica group. Vermiculite is sterile, environmentally friendly to use, does not rot and does not decompose, is suitable for repeated use, and in addition, by stabilizing the composition and basic characteristics of the soil, it prevents the development of mold, mosses and various pathogenic microorganisms. Vermiculite swells by firing at temperatures up to 900 ° C. Vermiculite contains such vital trace elements for plant growth as calcium (Ca) - up to 2%, magnesium (Mg) - up to 14%, manganese (Mn) - up to 1%, potassium (K) - up to 5%, silicon (Si) - up to 36%, iron (Fe) - up to 6%. Moreover, K and Mg are in bioavailable form.
It is not for nothing that in countries with a high level of agricultural culture, vermiculite has long been called the mineral of productivity, and in Japan - the mineral of health. It is widely used in amateur and industrial gardening, horticulture and floriculture in the USA, the UAE, and Western Europe. Many gardeners, greenhouses and farms in our country also successfully use vermiculite and have appreciated its excellent qualities.
Looks like that

Maybe someone used this?

Greetings to all members of the forum and a few members of the forum.
I'll write a story about my baking stone.
I apologize for the many letters, I honestly tried to make it shorter, but it didn't work out.
Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com I have been reading for a long time, I spy on recipes for baking rye and grain bread here, and I chose the bread maker according to the information from here.
Well, when they were ripe for a stone for baking, I began to look here for information. Stumbled upon this topic about discussing stones and Alexander theme aka alnik1982, where he offers to buy stones for baking, rectangular was just perfect for me.
In PM he wrote a letter about the desire to buy a stone, he said that the stones were in stock and on December 14 he placed an order through his website 🔗 and began to look forward to the delivery of my order by the DPD courier delivery service, they promised 2-4 days.
A couple of days later, Alexander called and said that he himself could not send a stone to me, since he did not have stones - the manufacturer let him down and did not send the stones, which he had paid for earlier. I was already upset, but he said that he had made an agreement with partners from Ulyanovsk and they would send me the stone by the same courier service, but the stone would come around December 22-23. This option suited me.
By tracking I saw that 22 stone was in St. Petersburg, but then I got stuck in the St. Petersburg office of the delivery man for a week, called them in the office a couple of times and asked when they would bring me, but there I was "fed breakfast." During this time, Alexander called me twice and wondered if the parcel had reached me (as I understand it, they are obliged to deliver 2-4 days within a specific time frame under the agreement with Alexander), and he also strained the deliveryman to deliver the parcel as soon as possible. As a result, by December 30, I became the owner of the coveted baking stone.
It seems to be nothing special, but only positive impressions were left from communication with Alexander. Starting from ordering and ending with a protracted delivery procedure. It was even inconvenient that Alexander called and worried so sympathetically about my order. You don't often find this at sellers.
But that's not all. )))
There was a misfortune with my stone, on January 10 I took a stone out of the oven to clean it after baking bread and found a crack. If you are interested - pictures at the bottom of the message under the spoiler (suddenly someone reads the forum on mobile traffic).
Since I did not drop the stone, did not water it with a hammer, did not knock on it with a hammer and generally followed what is written in the instructions on the box and generally used the stone several times, I decided to ask Alexander what to do and sent the pictures.
Alexander replied that he no longer works with the manufacturer of these stones, because he let him down in December, and he was forced to refuse many customers, and incurred certain losses, but promised to contact the supplier for a guarantee. The next day he wrote to me, asked me to write directly to the manufacturer and attach photos, they want to look at the nature of the cracks. I wrote a letter, indicated where I bought it, how I used it, and attached pictures and waited for the manufacturer's verdict. But the manufacturer did not answer me.
But Alexander answered. He said that the manufacturer called him and said that he would not fulfill the warranty obligations, since he no longer had a relationship with Alexander. And what he had before, now he will not be responsible for it, or only by a court decision. And he offered to compensate for the replacement of the stone at his own expense. Yes - "this is Russia, baby", so it is not surprising.
With Alexander we agreed that he would send me a stone of his production as soon as he starts making them.
I want to say to Alexander, thank you very much for your concern and wish him good luck in business.
For forum users, I can recommend Alexander alnik1982 as a reliable and responsible seller who values ​​his reputation.

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The stone cracked

I am glad that there are such sellers. And yet, that there are people who are not too lazy to write a positive review. Usually it's not too lazy to just scold

I also want to write about the stone, but from an unexpected angle.
The stone is constantly in the oven, but sometimes, when I cook something without it, I just put it against the wall. And I noticed that our cat licks him with pleasure. I wonder why he attracts him?
PS. The cat is domestic, does not go outside at all.

[Iskatel]

Iskatel, after all, I also cracked the stone after 2 times of use. Everything that you wrote, I did too. I wrote, sent a photo, they did not answer me. Alexander called them himself.But he did not promise me a new stone.

[kirch]

kirch, Do not worry. I will make you a replacement too. You just didn't ask. I, too, said nothing.In general, these situations with cracks sometimes actually happen not from a factory defect by 99 percent (the stone is fired at a temperature of 1200 degrees, which is incomparable with the temperature in the oven), but due to the fact that apparently during transportation it has already been baked and a microcrack has formed. Which subsequently grows when used.
Those stones that we previously sold there are probably the supplier and the manufacturer actually decided to save on packaging. They probably saw what kind of bubble wrap it was packed inside the box. Probably the cheapest that exists) That's why I'm not talking about the final cost of stones that we will release until the cost of packaging is calculated to a penny. We will not make these mistakes. Let it be more expensive, but we will pack our stones that the contractor is about to launch into production just the other day in a double or even triple bubble film, so that there are no such situations at all ...

You just didn't ask

I'm just humble

Oh, and I still didn't even get my pebble out of the box. When I unpacked the package I looked and that's it. Straight even became scary. Suddenly, after several uses, it can also happen. And then what to do. The stone is not cheap.

I have been using the stone for almost 2 months now, very often, sometimes every day. The stone is all right, although I was also worried about the delivery - they suddenly throw or knock a stone. Yes, the stone is not cheap, but I still want to buy an oven, and it is completely merciless in price, and I want it so much. ...

[Albina]

Albina, these are isolated cases. Sold under a hundred stones and only 2 such episodes happened. I will repeat once again that it will not crack by itself. It is fired in the oven at 1200 degrees, and even in the oven there is as much as you have ......... It's just that these 2 pieces have already hit somewhere along the route Belarus-Moscow-Nizhny Novgorod-buyer ... And most likely even earlier than I received them ..... I packed it normally, but the suppliers sent them as they are in boxes, stupidly wrapped in stretch film several times .......

Oh, and I still didn't even get my pebble out of the box. When I unpacked the package I looked and that's it. Straight even became scary.

And I took it out and even put it in the oven. But the oven has not baked yet, it is urgent to correct the situation!)))

Well, that's it)))) Panic began))) Listen, I talked with partners who sold these stones the same way. There, 1-2 percent of such cases are similar. So everything will be fine))) Moreover, even this 1-2 percent would not exist if the supplier would pack them normally ...

Yes, everything will be fine, I hope I would not like to get into these 1-2%))

[Alexander]

Alexander, there is no panic. I would not buy if there was not even a little trust.

DD!
I have long wanted a stone for myself, but I also wanted a lot of things, for example, a tile made of Himalayan pink salt.
As a result, last week it dawned on me that here! If they fry on this salt, then who's stopping me from stuffing it into the oven and stove!

As a result, I now have a tile like this, 30 cm in diameter and 5 cm thick.On one side, a groove for juice is smooth on the other when you fry something.


Of the minuses, the round one (there was a discount on it, and the rectangular one would not fit into my oven)
It heats up for a long time, but this is due to the thickness (5cm to 250g for more than 90 minutes)

Plus, the same as the stone, but you can also pull it out on the stove and fry it like in a pan!
Baked on parchment and on the stone itself (the bottom crust is not salty)

[mir_ka]

mir_ka, cool solyushka)))
It's good that I don't seem to know about this salt, I don't need it ... yet ... probably

Dear bakers ... I asked my dad if he knew what kind of potter ... he asked what I want and why ... he says there is no potter ...but there is a fireclay brick: girl_claping: I, he says, will saw it with a grinder and you will put them on the grate and here are the stones: yahoo: and at the same time we will also make such a structure in our oven (especially since they have it gas)
Why did I think, what if there are some harmful impurities, says there is nothing in it, I will burn it red hot in the sauna in the stove
What do you think, and

Girls, tell me, you can put a clinker tile into a tabletop electric oven, nothing will happen with heating elements? I just found such a review on the net about one of the "Vimmar" electric ovens: like, it is a pity that the instructions say that you cannot use foil in this oven.
I was really, very surprised, this is not a micra, that foil is not allowed. Or it means that the foil is metal and something can overheat there or the glass of the door burst. So I thought: maybe you can't have tiles. I think there is just some mistake in the instructions.

Tanya, I had clinker tiles in the oven on the 1st level grate. The tile burst, the oven is alive, mmm.
Oh, Tanya, I saw that you have a tabletop oven. Probably, you need to put tiles on the bottom because of the small volume? And the heating elements at the bottom?

[katko]

katko, I have a stone made of chamotte clay. So, the same as a brick. I thought about it myself, but there is not enough space in the oven (grill on top).
Tanya, Mona1, I think you can tile. And you have problems with gas, right?
PS. Yesterday the craftsmen unscrewed this fucking grill from above !!! Only the igniter drift remained, but these are trifles.

[katko]

katko,
Well, I boasted to my husband how smart I am, how I saved, combined two in one!
And in response I heard that this is a controversial issue :)))))

[marinastom]

marinastom, Marin, that is not. With gas everything is OK, it was my son who began to live separately, and there is gas there. stove, but at his house here a couple of times the kettle burned out on gas. He forgets completely, sitting at the computer. I fell asleep once. I woke up in the back room from the smell of burning. In general, he is afraid to burn down a rented hut. So I bought him everything with automatic shutdown. Tomorrow they will bring a cartoon, a table oven, and an electric kettle. I will teach him how to cook. By the way, he is very interested. So right away I think about pizza on stone. I chose such an oven, especially so that the 30 * 30cm tile would fit.
And this damn grill sticks out in my oven too. And, believe me, a long time ago you and I gutar about it, and I have never used it since then. And is he mine? It's my hohlyatsky dryness - shob usyo bulo

Peace be with you bakers!

Plate for a bakery oven 280x280x50 mm HBA 7.70 --- 544 rubles.

Plate for a bakery oven 280x280x50 mm HBA 7.70 --- 544 rubles.

Oh and wow! Thickness 5cm. Well this is how much it will warm up in the oven and how much will the bread from the electric oven cost?

Peace be with you bakers!

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looked at mir_ka also 5 centimeters

I wanted to make such a pebble myself, climbed the grid in search of answers and came across

🔗

Oh and wow! Thickness 5cm. Well this is how much it will warm up in the oven and how much will the bread from the electric oven cost?

I also wanted to write about it)

I wanted to make such a pebble myself, climbed the grid in search of answers and came across

🔗

These are wholesale prices if anything. No one there will sell you 1 piece ..... And it is still necessary to understand that not a product, but a draft version. You can generally buy chamotte bricks somewhere, put them in a layer in the oven ... Of course, there will be some effect, but is it worth arranging such dances with tambourines and inventing a bicycle ... 2190 for a normal product, in my opinion, is not so astronomical amount. This is if you take a rectangular, and square and round are even cheaper
Then someone recently wrote to me that they generally adapted granite tiles for this case ... Someone else bought something from other materials somewhere ... Here you need to understand that you cook food on them under the influence of high temperature .... Which of the so-called alternative evaporation options are coming from is unknown .........

Peace be with you bakers!

alnik1982-

well, the point is in general, it is not in the price

well, it seems like there are hands and a bag of chamotte clay - 20 kg about 250 rubles

if the desire does not disappear before summer, I will do it in the stove at the dacha

the technology is the main thing to ignite.

Don't tell me .... I'm certainly not a technologist, but difficulties arise there ... Do you have a stove in your country house of 1200 degrees temperature? I doubt it ...... I was just yesterday at work. They don't have a dacha stove there, to put it mildly. Muffle, in my opinion, it is called .... As for the technology, spit once. I don’t know. to really come out a product, and not at random, you also need to observe psychology ... The first batch, for example, we cracked more than half. Wrong clay. Right now, they are molding from another ... So there, too, everything is not so simple as it seems)

[shade]

shade,

A friend wanted to give me a gift from a friend who is engaged in ceramics already in the third generation. Imagine the experience. So it didn’t happen :( I don’t know the details. But I can clarify what problems arose.
Fired in a muffle furnace.

[shade]

shade,

A friend wanted to give me a gift from a friend who is engaged in ceramics already in the third generation. Imagine the experience. So it didn’t happen :( I don’t know the details. But I can clarify what problems arose.
Fired in a muffle furnace.

Here I am about the same ........ We also do in production where people make such orders for ceramics, that wow ..... First, too, like, yes garbage, but what is it, but right now, oh ..... So much crap, like we really just took it up in terms of if you order in large quantities and. etc. ........
I will say more. In my one and a half million city, I barely found a production where they even started ...
For example, I found out at the production of ceramic dishes, but they have there, according to the technologist, the ceramics are hardened under a different temperature, and for fireclay, a different temperature is needed. Therefore, it will not work to slip it into the stove, and since they are not interested in our volumes ......... And of course you don't need to order 1000 pieces of a batch right away ...... These are not covers for phones and similar goods of mass demand. .....

I, too, made the first stone by a familiar potter, albeit from red clay. Firstly, with a curvature, and secondly, it is thin (1 cm). As a result, it cracked when I decided to sprinkle the bread in a hot oven. Here, of course, she herself is to blame, the boy got into a mess.

Well, red clay is definitely not good. Better chamotte clay for these products has not yet been invented ..... Even those imported branded stones for 6,000-10,000 are also made of chamotte .... By the way, it is generally undesirable to wet them strongly. And if it is already wet, then it is necessary to let it dry properly. Otherwise, it may crack in the oven ...

Well, I'm smart now! On a pebble, bought from you, I breathe, I blow off dust particles. So far, everything is OK! I just waited a long time. It so happened that the very first bought it here, but met with him almost before the New Year.

By the way) You are my first customer) I even remember the delivery date. November 9 was)

Well, red clay is definitely not good.

Well, don't tell me, I have a pizza dish 34 cm in diameter and about 6 mm thick made of red Ivano-Frankivsk clay from the Pokutskaya ceramics firm. Mine, however, is in the gas. oven on a fireclay pancake. But I bought my mother the same dish, it has been in her electric oven for 2 years just on the wire rack, and we bake pizza and bread, everything is fine, nothing has broken off, and I puff the bread on a hot dish from the spray bottle, everything is OK. So it’s not the clay that matters, but the hands and technologies applied to this clay.

Well I do not know. I will repeat once again that, of course, not a technologist, but the fact is that all normal baking stones are made of fireclay clay ..... Well, I would still not recommend puffing from a pulverizer))))

I have been using it for a long time, made of red clay. Made to order.
I'm quite satisfied.

All in doubt even after reading the forum. Can you please tell me if you need a stone for baking bread in an electric oven? The oven is quite modern, Boch with a hydro mode (specially chosen for bread).I bake mostly rye bread (a la Borodinsky) - I let it stand in a bread maker, and then dump it on a baking sheet in an oven preheated to 300 degrees. Bread rises moderately - but I attribute that to the weight of the whole grain flour. It bakes well and the crust is delicious. Will there be a tangible difference with a stone?

I have another favorite way for bread without kneading - I dump the dough into a hot cast-iron pan and bake it under the lid for the first time. The bread is also very tasty. Maybe that's enough and I'm striving for unknown heights?)))

No matter what modern oven is, but its heat capacity is still insufficient. Of course, the bakery gurus will answer you in a more detailed way, but the meaning is that for anyone with a competent approach, the effect will be noticeable ........ Read ... There is a lot of information on the Internet. Another point that you need to understand is that the stone is not some kind of magic device ... And so it doesn't work out that he put it in the oven and everything began to bake differently ..... Your heat capacity will increase, but you need to adapt to it and use all its advantages ... That is, if I don’t know how to bake, it doesn’t mean that with a stone I will immediately get masterpieces)))
Purely my opinion as a seller)

I have another favorite way for bread without kneading - I dump the dough into a hot cast-iron pan and bake it under the lid for the first time. The bread is also very tasty. Maybe that's enough and I'm striving for unknown heights?)))

Can you share the recipes? : oops: It will be great, write about the bread is very tasty !!!

It is clear that it is not magical. I don’t count on it. I bake bread for a long time and by trial and error I came to my favorite recipes. So I want to know if the stone will help to improve. It seems like an electric oven gives uniform heating and heats up quickly, which should eliminate the problem when the heat escapes when laying bread and it takes time for the temperature to recover. Is such a difference critical in the case of an electric oven? It is interesting to listen to those who noticed the difference.

Can you share the recipes? : oops: It will be great, write about the bread is very tasty !!!

Willingly :) In the near future I'll tell you about bread without kneading.

Is such a difference critical in the case of an electric oven? It is interesting to listen to those who noticed the difference.

I subscribe to the question. I also have a built-in Bosch oven (made in Germany)
The cabinet itself is sealed.

[alnik1982]

A little higher, in answer 1142, George showed his oven with a stone. Let it be made of red clay, but also plump. And he uses it, in this capacity, if my memory serves me, for at least three years. I believe he can resolve our doubts.
alnik1982Alexander, a question to your manufacturers: George's stone is processed with milk before firing, in my opinion. See, he's brown. Can our fireclay stones be processed like this?
Why am I interested: like it or not, stains are formed from food, fat, etc., but on brown it is not so noticeable.