Repair bucket Moulinex 5004

It so happened that one shaft jammed in the bucket. I ordered a new one, but the wait is long, but I need bread.

I decided to make repairs at home.
1. Carefully drilled out the rivets that secure the bucket itself to the frame. You need to drill from the side of the frame with a 5-6 mm drill.
2. Knocked out the rest of the rivets.
3. Separated the bucket and the frame.
4. Removed the rubber bands from the shafts.
5. From the jammed shaft from the underside, removed the retaining ring.
6. I knocked out a jammed shaft through a piece of wood, cleaned and washed the shaft and bushing. After making sure that the shaft fits easily and rotates without jamming, I proceeded to the assembly.
7. Put on the retaining ring and sealing cutters.
8. Using 6 screws, attached the bucket to the frame. I used aluminum screws with a countersunk head (they were in the household), but I think that metal coated ones are also possible. The material of the nuts is not important.
9. Checked for water leakage (I had to tighten a couple of screws)
10. Fried the remaining oil on the baked goods. VERY CAREFULLY! Only under vigilant supervision. No more than a minute after strong heating.
Two weeks - normal flight.
Of course, a little crust remains on the screws, but it is easily washed off.

Thanks, you may have to use it. I also had one shaft in the bucket spinning tightly. Apparently, he will soon "die". Maybe I'll use it. Otherwise, wait a month and a half through the service center ...

Peace be with you bakers!
AlG you are great !!!!!!
and if only they took a picture of the process !!!!

and if only they took a picture of the process !!!!

Unfortunately, I can only get the result. The process itself was much longer and much dirtier than described. And the result was unpredictable.

The biggest problem is the reassembly screws. It is advisable to use aluminum or, even better, stainless steel.

And everything else is simple enough for a person who knows how to use a drill, hammer and screwdriver. There is nothing complicated there, just everything needs to be done carefully, the bucket itself bends very easily. The lower part is strong enough.
And in the situation of a tightly jammed shaft, I simply had no other way out, either to fix it or throw it away, anyway the bucket could not be used.

I had a bucket problem too. The bracket is rusted. But her husband successfully replaced her and now works fine.

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1. Carefully drilled out the rivets that secure the bucket itself to the frame. You need to drill from the side of the frame with a 5-6 mm drill.
2. Knocked out the rest of the rivets.
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Do you think it is possible to remove the shaft without removing the rivets?

I am sure that it is impossible

There was a problem with the bucket
When baking, black oil comes out of the bearing from under the sealing gum. Apparently the seal is covered.
Is this a warranty case or the warranty does not apply to buckets, in the sense of whether it is worth spoiling your nerves when communicating with the staff of the SC or just ordering a new one?

[Olesha]

Olesha, bucket breakage-warranty case
I, on the basis of this, generally returned the money in the store and bought another stove
You have several other laws, so look at this topic - there Andrey fought according to Ukrainian laws
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=2671.240

There was a problem with the bucket
When baking, black oil comes out of the bearing from under the sealing gum. Apparently the seal is covered

How long have you been using the device? If the HP has been used several times, then most likely it is not "black oil" that comes out of the oil seal, but water with wear products of the bearing assembly. Water enters the bearing when the bucket is "soaked" (which we usually do at the end of baking) and at the beginning of the dough. If, when filling the bucket with water, the unit is sealed, i.e.from the bottom of the bucket, from the side of the carrier, water does not drip, then IMHO service (Russian in any case) does not recognize a defect, since HP can be used for its intended purpose. In my HP, such a defect is also present in one bearing assembly, I get out of the situation by minimizing "soaking", lubricating the bearing with PMS-100 oil (polymethylsiloxane fluid, the use of which is allowed in the food industry), and in the stuffing box cavity (which you call a sealing rubber band) I put a silicone grease (withstand temperatures up to +240 degrees). Frequency of lubrication: about once a month, depending on the intensity of the HP operation.

It would be nice for such instructions: "I lubricate the bearing with PMS-100 oil (polymethylsiloxane fluid, the use of which is allowed in the food industry), and I put a silicone grease into the gland cavity (which you call a sealing rubber) (it can withstand temperatures up to +240" - bearing assemblies, signs of differences between rubber gaskets and oil seals and the place of purchase of recommended oils and lubricants Hello MAI graduates! And intellect grows old, provided it is "not used", age 27 is just an ordinary boundary when, for many, training ends ( school, college, university) and routine-similar professional responsibilities begin.Carefully read the articles, especially the statistics on the basis of which conclusions are drawn

[service]

Of course, everyone has the right to decide for himself how to act in a particular case with his HP, but any equipment, even household ones, requires service, even if this is not indicated in the operational documentation (although it must be indicated in the ED of the product!). Otherwise, if not breakdowns, then certain inconveniences in the form of rattling, squeaking, noises, etc., and the premature failure of HP are waiting for us. If you do not lubricate the bearing unit, then the agitator shaft can generally jam, as happened with AIG (see the topic "Repairing the Moulinex 5004 bucket"), but he got out of the situation with honor, at the same time showing us that this unit non-separable (You can only remove the lock washer, driver and flat washer). By the way, at Panasonic, a different order of HP loading is adopted, in which water is poured after the flour is laid and the probability of water getting into the bearing is sharply reduced. You can try to apply it on Moulinex.
I'm not sure that the service will gladly replace the bucket with a new one, most likely they will offer to buy a new one, the price of which may be >> 1000 rubles.
The old rule "technology loves affection, love and lubrication" has not lost its relevance.
By the way, PMS-100 has an operating range of -50 ... + 200C, is corrosion inert and, which is especially important, is hydrophobic and non-toxic.

[but all appliances, even household ones, require maintenance,]

but all appliances, even household ones, require maintenance,
This must be reflected in the operating instructions and (or) in the warranty card, if this is not the case, excuse this defect !! And you don't have to invent anything!

There was a problem with the bucket
When baking, black oil comes out of the bearing from under the sealing gum. Apparently the seal is covered.
Is this a warranty case or the warranty does not apply to buckets, in the sense of whether it is worth spoiling your nerves when communicating with the staff of the SC or just ordering a new one?

I had the same breakdown, only as a result of a cracked oil seal, the stirrer pin pulled out completely. I used Moulinex for six months, the oven was under warranty. After 2 weeks, after contacting the service, the stove was written off and the money returned, I added a little and bought a Panasonic.
Best regards, Teacher.

I'm not sure that the service will gladly replace the bucket with a new one, most likely they will offer to buy a new one, the price of which may be >> 1000 rubles

I'm sure I had a similar problem
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=2671.225
By the way, during the examination, no water was poured into the bucket, I was present, and the oil seal was disassembled and everything was photographed

I think everyone who has exploited Mulinex 5002, 5004 will agree that the bucket (vat) is the weak point of this HP or, in technical terms, its design feature (or even design flaw). Bread makers Moulinex are generally not the most reliable of the survey participants conducted by Elena Bo: 18% of the HP of this brand refuse (the leader in reliability is Panasonic, with 4.5% of failures). What can we offer to users of HP Mulinex, considering that according to the results of a survey of our site, about 5000 (or 25.5%) of them are already in operation? The options are:
1) Get rid of this HP at the first opportunity (as demonstrated by some forum participants).
2) Change buckets (or HP assembly) under warranty during the warranty period.
3) Regularly lubricate the bearing assemblies of the bucket and continue to operate the HP, avoiding jamming of the kneader shafts.

The third option offered by me ensures the possibility of using HP Mulinex also in the post-warranty period, as well as in cases when the first two options are unrealizable for some reason.
Make your choice, gentlemen!

[kvantil]

kvantil , for those who have run out of warranty, your option is more than acceptable
The site exists to help each other

Recently, we also encountered a jammed shaft of one mixer. Unfortunately, I didn't read the forum right away, but decided to do it on my own ... (I apologize for the nickname of my wife, and I myself am Sergei) In short, I disassembled this unit from behind and began to slowly knock out the shaft ... Yes, before that, all the same managed to crank it with pliers, but with no hands. He hit the end of the shaft with a special punch, several blows and the shaft jumped out, along with the stuffing box seal. True, the sight of this seal drove me to despondency - the rubber broke, the spring collapsed ... There is nothing to do, let's put everything back together, I didn't get a new oil seal, I put the old one, tore off the rubber band around the circumference, it didn't fit into the hole with it .. Yesterday I carried out a test, poured water, put it on, waited a few minutes, it does not flow anywhere ... I baked surzhik bread, though just in case I first poured flour, and then poured liquid and immediately turned it on. Everything worked out without any problems. Yes, by the way, I did not clean or lubricate anything, I specially left it as it is, so that the gaps do not increase. The shaft rotates very easily and until it leaks, let's see how long it will last ...

Recently, we also encountered a jammed shaft of one mixer. Unfortunately, I didn't read the forum right away, but decided to do it on my own

Thank you for the information: now we have another option for repairing the bucket bearing assembly (vat, container, ...). Apparently, in the process of kneading the dough, flour created a seal between the shaft, bushing and body, which acts as a standard rubber gland. Of course, this is not the most reliable option, but you can still bake bread. By the way, AlG (https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8776.0) believes that disassembling the bearing assembly without destroying the parts included in it is possible only by drilling the rivets securing the assembly housing to the bucket.
It seems to me that it would be a good practice to take photos of the disassembled units or sketches of the assembled units, as well as the parts they contain, and then upload these materials to the network.
In general, shafts wedge on all HP models, even on Panasonic (examples on our website - the sea). And the longer the breaks in the HP operation and the greater the wear of the bearing assemblies, the higher the probability of jamming. Therefore, before loading the HP, it is advisable to turn the shafts of the bucket manually, if they do not turn, soak it with water, if it does not help, repair, lubricate or change the bucket.

I had another idea, but I didn't bring it to life, I wanted to take it apart as soon as possible ... If you take a screwdriver (a screwdriver, not a drill), fix it in some way, insert the jammed shaft into the chuck (after turning it with pliers ), without disassembling anything (insert, together with the bucket, the side of the shaft where the mixers are placed, the volume of the bucket allows this, and then drive for several minutes at different speeds.I think it should have turned out, at least nothing will collapse, if done carefully.

By the way, the oil seal there is not rubber, but metal, covered with rubber, that is, similar to automobile oil seals. I removed only the outer diameter of the coating. Outwardly, the oil seal remained the same as it was, you cannot tell from the other.

So the oil seal is reinforced. We will know. And as for the use of a screwdriver, IMHO, there is a risk of damaging the non-stick coating of the bucket if the tool suddenly breaks off, and scuffs in the bearing parts can form if the shaft is rotated "dry". I think it is safer to rotate the shafts manually or from the standard HP drive using silicone oil (PMS).

Peace be with you bakers!
yesterday I set out to find a bucket to 5004
phoned a bunch of services and, as a result, a positive answer
received in Sovinservice on Kazakova \ m Kursk \
and even then they bring it under the order with a prepayment
to my question how much the bucket would cost me they answered that I had to come and they would count
although they have a price of 1552r \ article ss-186157 \

[shade]

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I also ordered a bucket + 2 blades (albeit for the 5002 model) in Sovinservice on Rusakovskaya. No prepayment was asked from me, the order was waiting for about 2 months. I placed the order in December, received it on February 24.
Bowl OW-5002 - 1,478 rubles
Blade OW-5002 - 525 rubles
Delivery - 200 rubles
Total: 2.203 rubles

Peace be with you bakers!
and I was told that I have to wait 2-3 months
why it is not clear they are taking them from Mars or something
would have brought 100 pieces for each model and that would probably for
3 days sold

Yes, with such prices for spare parts, you understand why Moulinex (as well as other manufacturers) is more profitable replace HP elements that failed during the warranty period than make the necessary changes to their design ... Correctly someone wrote that 10 bucks is a red price for a bucket.
I wonder how long the non-stick coating of the bucket will last with its regular use, but with careful handling - a year, two, or maybe more? Maybe someone knows this from the experience of operating other HP models?
It is also interesting to know: are the buckets and blades of the OW-5002 and OW-5004 models interchangeable or not?

Peace be with you bakers!
well, the mixers in the picture seem to be the same, and the capacity is probably
also the price is the same

And I have another problem with the bucket.
One of the two shafts on the bucket is jammed.
Because of this, even the engine almost started to smoke - I could not crank it.

What do you advise?

Peace be with you bakers!
TXT for me is not that it is tightly jammed, but it just became tight and tight, so I turned it with pliers 10 times and everything returned to square one of course, this can only work for me, but you can try

After baking the bread and washing the bucket, I still have a little dough under the rubber bands, is this normal, or may they leak soon?

Peace be with you bakers!
dallas just do not try to pick something out, better soak it longer

Peace be with you bakers!
dallas just do not try to pick something out, better soak it longer

And longer is how much, I seem to soak for about 20 minutes, I tried to clean the remnants of the dough with a wooden toothpick, and then I spat on it, well, think of the dough, the bucket is needed for the dough, the main thing is not to leak, that's what worries me

Peace be with you bakers!
dallas, for a long time after the wheat bucket, I just wipe it with a napkin, but after the cake or something sweet I have to - sugar makes itself felt

Peace be with you bakers!
dallas, for a long time after the wheat bucket, I just wipe it with a napkin, but after the cake or something sweet I have to - sugar makes itself felt

And you still have dough under these pink rubber bands, or is it just me having such problems, because if I don't wash properly, the stirrers seem to stick together with dough and turn a little worse

Do you still have dough under these pink rubber bands, or is it just me that has such problems,

dallas, I also have dough left, once I tried to pick it with a toothpick, but then I decided to let it live, because how can I damage the gum.

I have a question for Olesha! Tell me, how did your epic with black discharge from the roller assembly end (so to speak)? Did you replace the bucket or fix the problem yourself? Today I faced the same problem, I already had time to become depressed.

Renata, thanks, calmed down, so I will not clean. And your stirrers spin well, if the dough remains, how much do you already use the bread maker?

Spin well, for now, at least! We have been operating not so long ago, for 2.5 months, but very intensively. I reread your post again and I don't understand where it is "under these pink rubber bands" and how it is "the stirrers seem to stick together with the dough" Therefore, I clarify that the dough remains on the outer circumference of the pink seal, roughly between the seal and the bucket. In that place, it does not in any way prevent the shafts or mixers from rotating on them, moreover, there is a scanty amount of it there.

Spin well, for now, at least! We have been operating not so long ago, for 2.5 months, but very intensively. I reread your post again and I don't understand where it is "under these pink rubber bands" and how it is "the stirrers seem to stick together with the dough" Therefore, I clarify that the dough remains on the outer circumference of the pink seal, roughly between the seal and the bucket. In that place, it does not in any way prevent the shafts or mixers from rotating on them, moreover, there is a scanty amount of it there.

Renata, I just do not quote my thoughts correctly, in general I have the same thing, I use a bread maker for 3 weeks, so such a reverent attitude is probably, but on the topic of mixers I have one good, it turns easily if I try to twist it myself, and the other is taut, therefore I worry, I think what if it will be worse further

Do not turn the stirrers with the handles, let it (the oven) turn itself! If one stirrer is spinning a little, then, in this case, the point here is clearly not in the dough and seals. But I think there is no problem as such. This is all because of that very reverent attitude! I myself am like that, I blow away all the dust particles and examine my HP with a magnifying glass! But do not lose your vigilance.

Girls, I have to upset you - there is a cause for concern
It all started the same way for me - first one stirrer began to spin worse, and then the bucket started to flow altogether

Peace be with you bakers!
dallas dough and I still have it, but it seems that this fact does not affect the work of the mixers \ while !!! \ although I use the stove for about a year
I try to prevent the dough from drying out and therefore I turn it by hand with water poured into a bucket, it seems to help

[Mueslik]

Thank you all for the answers, I will hope that my bread maker will serve me for a long time
Mueslik, and when the bucket leaked, you changed it under warranty or for money

Nightmare and horror! I spin well, but black grease has been climbing since yesterday, in general, where not to throw ... It would not be so offensive if they paid for the stove 500 hryvnias, and not 2000, God forbid, that other problems did not appear.

[dallas]

dallas , I did not contact the service, here is my story
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=2671.225

You know, after reading the whole Temka, I already regret buying

Do not be so upset, this is a lottery-how you get there
In the end everything is going to China
Many Muli work well, for Kroshi, for example

[Mueslik]

To be honest, I would not be able to buy Mulya for that kind of money.
Consciousness would not allow to give from 1600 to 2000 UAH for the fact that everything, everything in it is not, thank God, you constantly need to monitor, lubricate, everything is crooked, obliquely, undermine yourself or carry it to the service center for many months with red tape and hassle, so much trouble for that kind of money - it does not fit in the mind.

I bought mine at the mega-share in early December, that is, the crisis prices had already arrived, and Mulya, according to the previous share, was going in Bills something about 600 or 700 UAH.
For this money, due to a small malfunction, I did not need to return the oven, and buy another is much more expensive, it was easier to fix it myself.

Now my bucket is more or less normal, because I regularly lubricate the tighter shaft with machine oil (from the outside, of course, not inward). Until pah-pah does not flow, BUT

But it began to creak already somehow inside the oven itself
And I don't know how long she will last, but I believe and hope, so to speak with positive thoughts, I try to prolong her life, in the hope that I pulled out a winning lottery ticket, albeit with a small win

If he dies, thank you very much Mueslik, I will do as recommended.

To be honest, I could not buy a Mulya for that kind of money.
Consciousness would not allow to pay from 1600 to 2000 UAH for the fact that everything, everything in it is not, thank God, you constantly need to monitor, lubricate, everything is crooked, obliquely, undermine yourself or carry it to the service center for many months with red tape and hassle, so much trouble for that kind of money - it does not fit in the mind.

Consciousness would not allow me to spend so much, it was a birthday present from my parents, if at the time of this purchase I knew about the existence of this site, I would probably buy another, although it is not a fact that it would be more reliable. In principle, the problem with the bucket does not scare me very much, it is just unpleasant and, again, offensive. But the fact that your oven in the fourth month of life began to creak is already alarming, since we have similar models. Let's hope for a miracle!

Hello Dear! Please help! A week ago I changed the bread maker under warranty, the engine burned out, and the new one started having problems again! At the bottom of the bread machine, after removing the vat, black metal dust remains around the mixers. The vat is pulled out very tightly. The last one had the same thing in the finale, she burned out! Help please, tell me what to do?

[shade]

Metal dust around the stirrers indicates that metal is being ground away.

If you want - try to establish the cause of the scrubbing yourself and eliminate it,
If you can't, as I wrote shade - do not wait when either the engine or the bucket dies, take it to the service center or change it back to the store. If you change it is better for HP of another company, otherwise with these Mules this is a frequent occurrence, all at random

Twist the shafts from the bottom of the bucket - how? easy or tight? The tight ones need to be fed with machine oil until everything with the meat is turned up there.

Here we have already discussed our unfortunate stoves:

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=8342.0

And it's a shame, a loaf of chic shape bakes well, it's hard to refuse it when you get used to it