LLika
Pogremushka, I dream of planetary mixer too
Look here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=158239.0 and below on the topic. The clathronic girls advised me. True, there are links to Ukrainian markets, ask the search engine for Russia.
The price is cheaper compared to Bosch, given that the power is 1000 W and also without various superfluous attachments
Pogremushka
LLika_7, Thank you. An interesting machine. True, I did not find Clatronic or Bomann on sale in Russia. Are they planetary?
LLika
Pogremushka, of course planetary
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The Clatronic company is in your market, the girls from Russia bought potato peelers from this company
Pogremushka
There is a clathronic, but not such mixers. I haven't found them anywhere on the Runet.
Lozja
As promised, I came with proof that I was not zvizdyu I'm cheating. I just had to beat two squirrels into a dough for baguettes. Especially one protein was whipped with a hand mixer in a wide bowl (I took a bigger bowl), the second was whipped by Bosch Mum. Eggs are ordinary, not magic, from the store.

Einz squirrel

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Dwainz

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But the mixer, the most ordinary, never fashionable, power - 350 W, not the lightest in the hand, not the quietest in operation, but when you turn it on, it becomes clear that he simply cannot NOT beat anything:

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So, I turn on Bosch at the same time and settle down next to the mixer, turn it on to the maximum. Passed 1 minute 40 seconds! Yes, yes, I spotted it on purpose.

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Actually, the mixer has already done it. We tilt for clarity. Nothing goes anywhere. "Kaka bula, taka є", as they say here in Ukraine.

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While I was taking pictures, Boshik was still working on his task. And now, 2.5 minutes have passed somewhere. Boshik did his job, of course it was still possible to finish it to a higher density, but it's not important. As you can see, my mixer coped faster, the foam is denser in less time than in Boch. But Boshik works without me, and this is his main advantage.

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We tilt.

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Of course, when the dough had already begun to knead, I suddenly remembered that the whites had to be whipped with a spoonful of sugar. We take the mixer again in our hands, because Boshik is already busy kneading the dough. Both proteins + 1 spoonful of sugar + exactly 1 minute of time with a mixer. Result:

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We tilt.

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Hocus pocus, ale-op:

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We turn the basin back. The peaks didn't even budge.

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Draw your own conclusions. For the lighting, sorry what it was.
artisan
Lozja , thanks for the report !!!

My brains have already begun to swell, like buds on trees in spring, while I was deciding what I needed and what. I will share my conclusions. can someone come in handy.

The power of the mixer and the speed of the whipping are completely unrelated things. The speed depends on the rotation of the beaters, and the power ensures that the mixer will pull a certain density of the whipped product, and also how long the mixer can work without interruption depends on the power.
If you bake for yourself, sometimes, then the bowl of course may not be needed. I myself, before buying mixers, refused the bowl, in order to save money (you think, I won't hold it in my hands?) But when I began to bake a lot, the time I spend on holding the mixer became very expensive, so the question is with the bowl or not, is no longer worth it, only with a thicket! There was an attempt to buy a cheap mixer with a bowl, "Rainford". We must give him his due, he worked for me well for two years. Therefore, I already realized that I was ready to cover myself at any moment. But here's the bowl ... I hardly ever used it. Firstly, there is such a system of scrolling the bowl that it only turned if there was something thick in it and there was a lot of it. Otherwise the bowl stood. And the rims did not reach the bottom at all, then she adjusted herself, putting a towel under the bowl and tilting it slightly. so the mixture circulated a little and I could free my hands a little. But you must agree, paying more for such a design is stupid.
The length of the beaters is also important for a mixer. The longer, the better But the plastic parts on the whisk in the Boshew mixer have not compromised themselves in two years of work. I do not know what will happen next, but so far they have not bother me.

As a result, since I need a mixer to knock out proteins, biscuits and creams (the main cream is "Wet meringue") I decided for myself that a manual Bosch (reliable, light, hardy horse) and something else with a bowl is simply necessary in the kitchen (to free your hands when whipping biscuits, because knocking out a biscuit with a manual Bosch 450, it's sooo long! Sooooo!) But when asking the price of Bosch with a bowl and harvesters, I decided that it makes sense to collect on a combine, so that the bowl is not plastic, so that with using a planetary whipping method.
Many thanks to everyone who helped me and helps others to make their choice! It helps a lot, it's great that you can come running and ask for advice!

Lozja
Quote: Master

The power of the mixer and the speed of the whipping are completely unrelated things. The speed depends on the rotation of the beaters, and the power ensures that the mixer will pull a certain density of the whipped product, and also how long the mixer can work without interruption depends on the power.

I agree 100%! Before this mixer, I had a low-power Tefalka, such a small one, my mother-in-law gave it for use. And when I got carried away with baking, for me whipping whites was like a lottery - will it work, will it not work? Until it dawned on me that you just need patience, that is, beat for a long time, even if it writes 5 minutes in the recipe. In total, it took 10-15 minutes. Tefalka withstood, of course, and in most cases the whites were whipped. But there were also punctures in the form of soft peaks, if not whip.
And I went to buy myself a mixer solely for the sake of kneading, because I understood that Tefalka would not pull bread dough, and it was time to get my own mixer and give their Tefalka to their relatives. And so, in the store, the choice was between a 300 W Bosch and this 350 W Vico. And how glad I am now that Bosch has plastic parts on the rims and hooks, it was they who tipped me in the other direction. Well, when they turned on both of these mixers, I suddenly realized everything about the speed of rotation of the beaters. I held Boshik in my hand, yes, light, yes, quiet, you can work even at night, but this very speed of rotation at maximum did not convince at all. But it's still Bosch. And if not for his plastic, she might have taken it. Well, when they gave me this Vico and turned it on, I was in quiet confusion. Not easy, quiet, but, girls, the speed of rotation of the corollas just killed me! This is not a mixer - this is a beast.
Now I beat the whites in a couple of minutes, and I simply cannot have punctures in this matter. Even if there are drops of yolk in the egg white, if the dishes are not wiped well, it doesn't matter at all that if there are proteins, they will surely beat up, and for this I don't need to sit for 15 minutes with a mixer in my hand.
donna
Quote: Master

Look at the store, you can't feel it. we have nothing good, vaasche. In the internet I found this Bosch MFQ 3560
it is very similar to my BOSCH MFQ 3530 only with a bowl. Tell me, no one has this? I wonder how the whisks are there with the cup? Get it? Whisk, spin the cup?


I have such a mixer. Really like. Previously, it was just manual, it worked well, but I wanted it with a bowl so that my hands were free.
She whips the proteins perfectly, kneaded the dumplings with hooks, I also liked it.
Nevushka
And I want a Zelmer 481.63, but we don't have it on sale anywhere
Pogremushka
Quote: Nevushka

And I want a Zelmer 481.63, but we don't have it on sale anywhere
I took Zelmer 3 weeks ago.
Nevushka
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I took Zelmer 3 weeks ago.
Now there is only 481.6 in what configuration? Can you upload a photo?
Giraffe
Girls! My bread maker died. I will not have a new one today or even tomorrow, but I need fresh bread every day. There is a mixer with a bowl BOSCH MFQ 3560. Power is 450 watts. The instructions say that .."You can only stir the amount of dough made from a maximum of 500 grams of flour and other ingredients." I don’t understand this: flour is 500 grams or only 500 grams. Now I have kneaded the dough, flour has gone 520 g, The rest of the ingredients are salt, yeast, sour cream water, but I would not want to ruin my assistant. What are the opinions? Who faced?
Pogremushka
Quote: Nevushka

Now there is only 481.6 in what configuration? Can you upload a photo?

Nevushka, I misled you. Now I looked, I have 481.6, in 481.63 the completeness is wider. I have already taken a photo of my own, so I'll post it.

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This is a complete set

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Left to right: dough attachments, whisk, wiping attachment (put on a whisk and you can, for example, wipe cottage cheese through a sieve), spatula.
My impressions of the attachments:
for the test - ordinary, like all such;
corollas - in my opinion, they are sprayed strongly, even in deep dishes. Probably because of the tilt of the rods. I didn’t notice this at the old mixer;
for wiping - I didn't use it, but I think you can't wipe a lot with a 5-centimeter piece;
scapula - hard plastic of not the best quality, removed immediately.

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glass and blender leg. The latter did not impress me either: it was small, the knives were dull. I never used it, I put it right in the back box. Compared to Brown, the submersible is a child's toy.

Here it is closer:

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I will not give a general and final assessment to the mixer yet. Used a little. But I wouldn't buy it again. Would look at Bosch or another manufacturer.
Pogremushka
On Zelmer I will add more. The turbo button when pressed on one side reduces (!) The speed to zero! Pressing it on the other side does NOT increase the speed. So much for the turbo
Tanyusha
Pogremushka, this is probably your marriage, because everything works fine for me, I press on one side the speed increases as expected.
Lara_
Girls, I ask for advice ..
I am thinking of taking the Tefal HT41013E mixer, do you think it is not weak? Maybe someone already has, share your experience, please ..
And yet, decided to order through an Internet store Reliable comrade? I'm afraid to buy via the Internet, but in our city we have no choice at all.
Pogremushka
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Pogremushka, this is probably your marriage, because everything works fine for me, I press on one side the speed increases as expected.
I don’t deny, maybe marriage. But for me this button is not needed in the mixer, so I don't bother. I wrote so that the girls would mean that this happens.

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And yet, decided to order through an Internet store Reliable comrade? I'm afraid to buy via the Internet, but in our city we have no choice at all.
I made a lot of purchases from them, both small things and large household appliances. All OK. She also took the mixer there, but he is probably with a marriage, as I mentioned above. But I didn't get involved with the replacement, although, I think, there would be no problems. The guys in our office are adequate.
Margit
I have a Moulinex Optibox Duo mixer and have been using it for almost 7 years. The speed is decent, everything is fluffed up perfectly. This is my first mixer, of course I do not use it every day, but quite often, but it is still as smart as on the first day of purchase. I also advise you to take a closer look (who are in the throes of choice) to the Redmond RHM-2101 mixer, the reviews are very good:
Lara_
Yes, I noticed Redmond for a long time. Nice, solid thing.
One thing is bad, he is not available everywhere in Internet stores.
And, nevertheless, I'm so afraid to buy blindly, all of a sudden, what problems, run later, prove it .. I don't know what to do ..

Eh .. decided to order on ORDER 24 .. Discourage me if that .. I was not mistaken with the store?
Nevushka
Lara_ I use this store in St. Petersburg, there have been no problems yet.
Nevushka
Quote: Tanyusha

Pogremushka, this is probably your marriage, because everything works fine for me, I press on one side the speed increases as expected.
What model do you have? You're happy?
I just caught fire with a zelmer, but now I have doubts ..

I need a landline.
Keti
Quote: Nevushka

What model do you have? You're happy?
I just caught fire with a zelmer, but now I have doubts ..

I need a landline.

Nevushka, I have 63 model. I'm glad. The package bundle is excellent.I described everything in detail above. The buttons work correctly and do not sprinkle anything - the whisks are excellent - what in the bowl to whip what in the hands.
Leopoldovna
At first I also wanted and dreamed of a zelmer with scales which, and my daughter persuaded me to buy a solid dough mixer with a stainless steel bowl, and since that machine was not available, by the New Year she gave me a Gorenje ME501N mixer and said that then I will have it as an "auxiliary mixer" (and the dough mixer, I suspect, will appear at me 8 mri). So this "mixer" turned out to be another kind of mixing room, I really didn't expect such abilities from him. After reading here about what kind of mixer how to whip the proteins, I also experimented and timed the time with a stopwatch - 3 eggs and 1 glass of sugar until the sugar dissolves and becomes white and probably increases by 2.5 times, and since in the video if you pour a lane from a teaspoon on top and it does not creep even in a wide bowl - exactly 4 minutes and 10 seconds passed, and beat the two squirrels to the peaks, and so if you turn the bowl over and they do not budge (beat in a high liter mug) - 2 minutes 30 seconds (turbanula for the last 30 seconds) ... I tried the attachments for the dough (well, these hooks) only once and my dough crawled up through them right to the mixer itself, then I did not understand what was the matter and interfered with my hands. Then I will try again, maybe they are short or I don't know how to interfere with them. And the whisk the muffin dough and biscuits get in the way easily. It starts to heat up, I also noticed it, at the 10th minute and then a little, I kneaded the pancake dough (poor dough !!! withstood such an experiment) at the second speed and waited for the mixer to warm up. I am very pleased with this mixer, it is not heavy in the hand, the only thing I would like is to have more authentic attachments.


Nevushka
Leopoldovna , I must be stationary, I have three small children, and sometimes I do not have the opportunity to stand for 5 minutes without leaving the bowl. I mainly beat whites and other liquids. My bread maker is kneading the dough. And in Zemlema 63 I like that there is a chopper, which is also important. Now I have a Zepter mix - he whips and chops very well in small quantities, but I bake a lot and I have very little of it. In addition, you can't leave it unattended, because as soon as you start to cook something, children strive to do something
Nevushka
I did find Zelmer in a complete set for and ordered, now I'm waiting for delivery, they promised a courier on the 25th, although I think it will be longer.
Anna1957
Quote: Nevushka

I did find Zelmer in a complete set for and ordered, now I'm waiting for delivery, they promised a courier on the 25th, although I think it will be longer.

And you won't throw the link, otherwise I can't find it. And why the courier, if it says there - at the nearest Crossroads. Or is it just for Moscow?
Nevushka
Now I talked with the store manager - they said that there are mixers in the warehouse, they just have a store recently launched and so far there are overlays. Therefore, whoever needs it - try to order, and the managers from there call back and clarify everything.
Catwoman
Quote: Nevushka

I did find Zelmer in a complete set for and ordered, now I'm waiting for delivery, they promised a courier on the 25th, although I think it will be longer.

Verunchik, accept my congratulations, let the mixer be a good helper.
Nevushka
In general, early I was happy again called and said that the supplier did not have it in stock. That is, their showcase is fake, in real life there is no product, and only after confirming the order, they run to the supplier.
One consoles that she did not send money anywhere. In principle, I'm afraid to order from Moscow because I’ll send money and can’t wait.
In general, you have to wait for the delivery from the supplier. Then it will appear everywhere.
Girls who live in Moscow, could you call the manufacturer to find out when the delivery will be and whether there will be any?
New vitamin

I wanted to make my life easier.
I bought a Philips mixer with a rotating bowl. It took a very long time to choose which one to take: either Bosch with a bowl, or Philips. Boshik seems to have more power, but the bowl is small. And Phillips has a 3-liter bowl. It outweighed.
They brought it in, unpacked it. And what for do I need such a bandura?
I must say right away that before that I did not have a single mixer.
Then - the first time of use. Collected, as written according to the instructions. And the whisk and nozzles for the dough rest against the bottom of the bowl
So and if so, what to do? My husband looked and looked, said he would not go to change anything, use it as it is.

The first batch of bread dough - I'm upset - rather weak, smoking room. So I feel that it will now burn. One plus - the hooks resting against the bottom of the bowl during kneading no longer abut, but move up and down. I'm calm for the bottom.

The second batch (along the way, I study the livzhurnal community of bakers) - I mixed the ingredients a little without salt, left it for 20 minutes, and mixed it to the end. Works !!!!!!!

I kneaded a double portion of bread dough - a full 3 liter bowl. She took out the mixer from the stand and manually began to knead it using the technology of the second batch. Fine!!!!! I already enjoy his work.

Outcome:

I'm glad to the mixer. For me he is an assistant in the doughby obstruction. And the 3 liter bowl turned out to be very convenient for kneading and proving the dough (my size)
Nevushka
And yet I got it! Compact, beautiful I had to negotiate with the St. Petersburg firm, but they are great - they brought it! Cost me 2950.
Beat the whites on a meringue, and on a biscuit. It turned out super! I couldn't do that without a mixer.
In a stationary position, it is noisy, but it is understandable. If you hold it in your hands, then it is quiet.
In the photo there are squirrels, the photo was taken five minutes after stopping and raising the mixer, the squirrels did not even budge!
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I will try other accessories later.
ya_alenka
Nevushka, do you have Zelmer? How many proteins did you whisk in a bowl? And then I also bought it, and after reading the reviews, while I whipped the whites with them only in manual mode. The corollas somehow weakly reach the bottom and it seems that he is just spinning in the squirrels, and does not whip them up.
Nevushka
ya_alenka, yes Zelmer 481.63
In the photo there are 6 proteins, the bowl is large and he does not catch them right away, but here without my participation. From the corollas to the bottom, about 0.5 cm.When 4 squirrels were beaten onto a biscuit, I took them off the stand for the first minute and held them in my hands, like the foam tied up - stuck it back and began to go about my business

For me, at the first use, it was a surprise that not only the bowl rotates, but the mixer itself on the stand moves right-left
Pogremushka
Nevushka, but were they whipped up to persistent peaks or not? It's not clear from the photo.
Nevushka
Quote: Pogremushka

Nevushka, and were they whipped up to persistent peaks or not? It's not clear from the photo.
Of course! The photo enlarges - the degree of overrun is clearly visible on it. And I wrote that the photo was taken 5 minutes after raising the mixer. It turned out to be a great squirrel.
Z @ y @
Quote: Nevushka

And yet I got it! Compact, beautiful I had to negotiate with the St. Petersburg firm, but they are great - they brought it!
I was waiting for your feedback about the mixer - pleased ... now I will order myself
Nevushka
Having used my Zelmer for 3 weeks - I absolutely do not understand how I lived without him before!
And yet, during operation, I saw my mistake: I put the mixer on the stand incorrectly, as a result, the beaters did not reach the bottom of 0.5 cm. After I inserted it correctly, the beaters were in the right position! And he began to make less noise and beat faster!
Biscuits and meringues - now they turn out great! I knead the shortbread dough with the hooks. The husband categorically refuses to eat something.

And I also really like that there is a piece that rakes the dough and prevents it from spreading over the bowl!
In general, I am very happy!
Pogremushka
I'll check in too. Zelmer is a normal mixer, I mainly use whisks. He copes with his tasks. Convenient because it is stationary. The beaters, when properly installed on the stand, reach the very bottom. Custard protein with Zelmer turned out perfectly well.
But there is still a minus. I used whisk to knead the dough on Curd muffins "Air"... The mixer worked stationary, and I jumped around and looked for something to cover it up, since small "splashes" of dough were sent from the bowl to free flight around the kitchen.
Nevushka
And what was the download? I have the fact that up to half the volume of the bowl is not sprayed, and I did not load any more.
Pogremushka
The load was about a quarter. Maybe you didn't pay attention, it doesn't fly around all the time. The dough was not runny. But it’s not big enough to place the hooks either.
Nevushka
I use whisks to make only proteins, creams and pancakes, the rest of the dough with hooks (that is, starting from the consistency of sour cream 30%). Nothing splashed. I would see that I have little space and any splashes would be on the neighboring devices
Lara_
Girls, came to recommend a freshly purchased mixer.
His name is Redmond, he is not your standard white man. He is a brutal man, with a black, chrome-plated body, with completely iron whisks, power, you can imagine - 550 W, and this is at a hand mixer! You hold it in your hand, and from it and emanates from reliability, confidence, calmness. It works, oddly enough, with such and such power, it is quite quiet for itself ... well, a real man ..
In short, I advise .. Redmond Chrome in black RHM-2101.
I took it in the "Order24" internet store (they work with dignity)

(In general, I look at Redmond's technique is good, made wisely. So I looked at their yogurt maker. It's a pity, I didn't take it. The reviews are excellent.)
Margit
Quote: Lara_

Girls, came to recommend a freshly purchased mixer.
His name is Redmond, he is not your standard white man. He is a brutal man, with a black, chrome-plated body, with completely iron whisks, power, you can imagine - 550 W, and this is at a hand mixer! You hold it in your hand, and from it and emanates from reliability, confidence, calmness. It works, oddly enough, with such and such power, it is quite quiet for itself ... well, a real man ..
In short, I advise .. Redmond Chrome in black RHM-2101.
I took it in the "Order24" internet store (they work with dignity)
Lara, congratulations on a great purchase!
And I'm waiting - I'm waiting for you to write a review, because they were going to buy back in February after my recommendation. I also really want it, we have it in stores. How much did you buy it? My old mixer plows like a cute one, but I'm afraid that one "fine" day it will burn out, and good mixers are not always on sale. Today I made a wet bizet, beat it for a long time, about five minutes in a water bath and 2 minutes after, beat it perfectly and did not overheat very much. But I want a new and only Redmond mixer!
Lara_
Mine cost 1,750 rubles, if I'm not mistaken.
I didn’t write it before, because .. I’m like that, I’ll buy new equipment, put it, like a monument .. and admire ... even pulling out of the box is a pity And yesterday I tried to make a charlotte. I liked it at work. I was predicted that with such power, he would sprinkle all the dough for me .. not true .. it works calmly and quietly. I did not try to make the cream, although, in general, I do not think that there will be problems with this.
What I bought - I don’t regret a bit ..
Take it if possible. (A second mixer in the house will always come in handy)
And, yes, I also found one plus, for the first time I have such a mixer that can be put, well, like an iron, others did not stand. It's comfortable.
(Before that I was looking closely at Boshik, I don't remember the model, 450 W, in reality he somehow did not impress me at all. I held it in my hands, buzzed, but I never bought it. Not that.)

Margit
Quote: Lara_

Mine cost 1,750 rubles, if I'm not mistaken.
I didn’t write it before, because .. I’m like that, I’ll buy new equipment, put it, like a monument .. and admire ... even pulling out of the box is a pity And yesterday I tried to make a charlotte. I liked it at work. I was predicted that with such power, he would sprinkle all the dough for me .. not true .. it works calmly and quietly. I did not try to make the cream, although, in general, I do not think that there will be problems with this.
What I bought - I don’t regret a bit ..
Take it if possible. (A second mixer in the house will always come in handy)
And, yes, I also found one plus, for the first time I have such a mixer that can be put, well, like an iron, others did not stand. It's comfortable.
(Before that I looked closely at Boshik, I don't remember the model, 450 W, in reality he somehow did not impress me at all. I held it in my hands, buzzed, but I never bought it. Not that.)
Thanks for your support, Laura.
Yes, I'll buy it all the same, really the second one is often needed anyway.
Anna85
good evening! Girls, my situation is not good, I bought a Zelmer 381.61 Expressive mixer after 3 uses, the plastic on the whisk cracked and rubbed off somehow, although I inserted the whisk correctly! I urgently need a mixer, went shopping, looked after the Mixer Gorenje M 701 B or Gorenje M 505 E. Help me decide, maybe there is something better, Bosch thought, but I don’t want to risk this plastic on the rims. Immediately I wanted only stationary, and then I think maybe manual will go! Help direct in the right direction ..... Who heard what about Gorenje mixers .....
Margit
They bought me the coveted mixer Redmond Chrome in black RHM-2101. Handsome, quiet at work, in his hands so obedient, not fidgety. Girls, he is really very good, I recommend !!!

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Pogremushka
Quote: Anna85

good evening! Girls, my situation is not good, I bought a Zelmer 381.61 Expressive mixer after 3 uses, the plastic on the whisk cracked and rubbed off somehow, although I inserted the whisk correctly! I urgently need a mixer, went shopping, looked after the Mixer Gorenje M 701 B or Gorenje M 505 E. Help me decide, maybe there is something better, Bosch thought, but I don’t want to risk this plastic on the rims. Immediately I wanted only stationary, and then I think maybe manual will go! Help direct in the right direction ..... Who heard what about Gorenje mixers .....
could you post a photo of the cracked whisk?
Anna85
Lora_who is it, what model did I write about two or you about another?
Anna85
Quote: Pogremushka

could you post a photo of the cracked whisk?
No, I can't, I returned to the store!

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