Kneading machines

The declared power is 325 watts, which corresponds to approximately 1600 watts indicated on many brands (If we measure the impulse power of the KitchenAid mixer - we get a value of 1600 Watt.
thus the KitchenAid mixer power of 300 Watt is equal to the advertising value of 1600 Watt)

I wonder how they measured it?

I wonder how they measured it?

Go to the office. KitchenAid's website is detailed there.

Go to the office. KitchenAid's website is detailed there.

Well, these are just words.
Pulse power, this is complete nonsense ... physics does not know such a term. If the power of the electric motor is 400W, then it will not give out more.

Well, these are just words.
Pulse power, this is complete nonsense ... physics does not know such a term. If the power of the electric motor is 400W, then it will not give out more.

You read carefully, they just did not accurately formulate or translated, but the essence is the same, of course they meant instantaneous power, i.e. close to engine jamming. And second, look in the passport, for example, in kenwood, the power consumption, it is unlikely that it will be more than 400 watts.
Well, as an example, do you have a refrigerator? if there is, then measure the starting current, it will be more than 10A, but this does not mean that the power of the refrigerator is 2200w, so brand manufacturers usually indicate the starting current.

You read carefully, you just did not formulate it accurately, of course you meant instantaneous power, that is, close to engine jamming. And second, look in the passport, for example, in kenwood, the power consumption, it is unlikely that it will be more than 400 watts.

I always read carefully. There is no instantaneous power. There is engine power, rotation speed and torque, if the force to be overcome is greater than the torque developed by the engine, the engine will stop. And if the device has a 400-watt motor, it will not even give out 410 watts of power, neither at the moment of "jamming", nor without load ..... in all cases, the power will be 400 watts. And all these tales about "peak power" are nothing more than advertising gibberish written for technically illiterate buyers. "Our 375 watts are real, and significantly more powerful than the competition's 1500 watts" ... bullshit .... It's like "our centimeter is three times longer than our competitors' centimeter"

I always read carefully. There is no instantaneous power. There is engine power, rotation speed and torque, if the force to be overcome is greater than the torque developed by the engine, the engine will stop. And if the device has a 400-watt motor, it will not even give out 410 watts of power, neither at the moment of "jamming", nor without load ..... in all cases, the power will be 400 watts. And all these tales about "peak power" are nothing more than advertising gibberish written for technically illiterate buyers. "Our 375 Watts are real, and significantly more powerful than the competition's 1,500 Watts" ... bullshit .... It's like "our centimeter is three times longer than our competitors' centimeter."

Okay, if you don't understand well, I'll explain it differently on my fingers, for many household appliances with motors and compressors there is a concept of starting current, its value is 3.7, the duration of the starting current pulse is 1.3 seconds, so many manufacturers indicate this value, others indicate the maximum power, but rarely does anyone indicate the rated power, this is the power at which the device, the engine can work for a long time without overheating.

Okay, if you don't understand well, I will explain it differently on my fingers, for many household appliances with motors and compressors there is a concept of starting current, its value is 3.7, the duration of the starting current pulse is 1.3 seconds, so many manufacturers indicate this value, others indicate the maximum power, but rarely does anyone indicate the rated power, this is the power at which the device, the engine can work for a long time without overheating.

Yes, I understand well))))) What "this" value do manufacturers indicate? Amount of starting current? Pulse duration? I have never met this ... demonstrate rite, do mercy ...

Yes, I understand well))))) What "this" value do manufacturers indicate? Amount of starting current? Pulse duration? I have never met this ... demonstrate rite, do mercy ...

And I'm not going to prove anything to you, let alone demonstrate, (any student knows the starting current value) I made my choice, and it's up to you to decide.

If you are not going to prove anything, then you should not write this

The declared power is 325W, which corresponds to approximately 1600W indicated on many brands (If we measure the impulse power of the KitchenAid mixer - We get a value of 1600 Watt.
thus a KitchenAid mixer power of 300 Watt is equal to the advertising value of 1600 Watt)

..... again, if you can't back up with anything.
"indicated on many brands" ....... "if measured" ...... "We will receive" ..... no brands have demonstrated .... nor what have not been measured ...
Why should people be misled, bought, great, tell us what you like about it, write the facts, and not reasoning about the theories of impulse and advertising capacities.

If you are not going to prove anything, then you should not write this ... again, if you cannot back up anything.
"indicated on many brands" ....... "if measured" ...... "We will receive" ..... no brands have demonstrated .... nor what have not been measured ...
Why should people be misled, bought, great, tell us what you like about it, write the facts, and not reasoning about the theories of impulse and advertising capacities.

The power, which the manufacturers indicate in the product passport, varies from 200 W to 600 W. Interestingly, the less well-known the manufacturer is, the higher the specified power for the models. This is due to the difference in the methods of measuring the power and with a clear overestimation of the parameters for advertising purposes. Therefore, you should not trust this indicator. 🔗

By the way, how should a manufacturer indicate technical data on products, for example, on a very good food processor of our manufacturer
Food processor KP1580E-113
Technical characteristics:
• connection to a network of 220 V AC 50 Hz
• electric motor collector, alternating current
• rated power of the electric motor - 260 W
• maximum power of the electric motor - 700 W
• class of protection against electric shock - II (double insulation)
• operating mode - short-term: no more than three minutes with a break of at least 10 minutes
• touch control
• two-stage speed switching
• rotation of the knife: 1500 or 2500 rpm
• special compartment for storing knives
• processes 220 g of dry mix at a time
• power consumption no more than 0.1 kW • h
• weight without packaging - no more than 4.5 kg
• dimensions - 375х350х230 mm

here is the nominal power and the maximum (short-term)

Girls, no one has pasta pizza from Marcato?
Is it worth even looking at it, or is it better to immediately consider something else?

I'm interested in dough for homemade noodles, dumplings, poppy rolls, and for pizza.

I read the whole topic, my eyes already hurt, and there are more questions than answers.

I understood for sure that I do not want a budget option for 5000-6000 rubles, and the choice was not great - the most inexpensive Profi Cook, and then either Kenwood, or Ankarsrum ® Original.

Dear bakers, those who have had these machines for more than a day, add reviews, help determine

girls, the meat grinder burned out, the husband of the mother-in-law complained, and she pinned me Clatronic KM 3350 as a gift, that's the same monster !!! and instructions for it in whatever you want, just not in Russian. I've been rummaging around for two hours in the internet, I can't find instructions, maybe there is a bank of instructions somewhere ... help me where to look. that I am afraid of this unit. just horror.

Belle! answered in a personal

Belle! answered in a personal

thank you, kind person !!!

Belle, and how do you like this unit? And then I'm staring at him, but it's scary to buy ...

Belle, and how do you like this unit? And then I'm staring at him, but it's scary to buy ...

stands in the box for now, we're going to move in a couple of weeks to a new house, I'll unpack it there, there's nowhere to really put it !!!! I saw such a large unit for home use for the first time in my life, unless of course you count the refrigerators

[Chimney sweep, Lukerya,]

Girls, no one has pasta pizza from Marcato?
Is it worth even looking at it, or is it better to immediately consider something else?
Interested in dough for homemade noodles, dumplings, poppy rolls, and for pizza.

I read the topic, and not only this one. I rush between the Swedish Assistant (Arkarstrum) And the Panasonic bread machine (according to reviews, does it knead the dough well?) First of all, I need a dough mixer ..... I plan to make a cool dough, dumplings-manti. What to choose, which is better, for less money Panasonic (+ bread maker) or for a large Swedish harvester ..... won't Panasonic die from frequent kneading of steep dough?

Chimney sweep, Lukerya, can you see how dough for noodles and dumplings is made with ordinary knives in a food processor and decide that for these purposes it is quite possible to do without a kitchen, an assistant and a marcato ... Sorry if I wrote something offensive, but this video was shot by me personally and this way I have been making dough for over a year. Quality, density, consistency - ideal for rolling dough!

I myself am looking for a kneader-beater, my Phillips harvester for "grate-chop-grind" has enough "eye", I even make dough for focaccia and pizza in it, but the volume is not enough for a full-fledged pie-pie portion of the dough. I want something like a simple 44 series Bosch, but, unfortunately, we sell it only with bells and whistles that I don't need ...
I would knead the yeast dough into three or four glasses of flour, beat the muffins, biscuits and whites.
At first I thought to buy the cheapest bread maker for kneading dough and a stationary hand mixer with a rotating bowl, which is even cheaper than the Bosch MUM4405 with delivery. But I, nevertheless, want one unit, especially since I have a hand mixer. In a word, the flour of choice ...
For those who are going to buy kitsch in Moscow, since October 9, there are crazy days in stockman, kitschen artisan will cost 22,900, of course all guarantees, checks and stamps ...

Thank you! Nothing offensive Thanks again, but I already bought myself both Panasonic and Ankarsrum

What is this car? Is it worth taking, or is it a toy?
The seller said that Belarus + China ...

Looks good. Did you feel her alive? I've also watched the dough mixer produced in China by the Bira company. So when I picked up the dough hook and the rest of the dough attachments, and they were made of aluminum or something, or the steel is so thin. I immediately decided that it was complete ...
I bought myself a Bosch mum only with dough attachments. Those kneader without any meat grinders and blenders.
Its power is 500 watts and it perfectly kneads dough for my bread !! And whips whites, so a fairy tale.
The dough hook is made of steel from Bosch.
But of course there are better ones, for example, kitschen or ankarsrum original.

The seller said that Belarus + China ...

if they are Belarusians, the unit is eternal! But on Belarusian sites it is not, the search engine gives out only Poland and Lithuania - suspiciously ...

Thank you! Nothing offensive Thanks again, but I already bought myself both Panasonic and Ankarsrum

Ankarsrum is cool, and most importantly beautiful! Congratulations!

Noises loudly, nozzles - in my opinion also aluminum? weight - not very heavy, the seller said that the gears are plastic (and what should be?)

And what is her price? And you don't sell others?

About 1000 UAH (987 UAH or something). I don't need a blender, a meat grinder, etc. I just want the dough and cream ... And the fact that the bowl is plastic is not serious?

My Bosch has a plastic bowl. For this price, it is better to look at Bosch Mum, the one that only comes with dough attachments.

Thank you! I casually looked through the options - speeds - from 4 to 7, power - from 500 to 900 ... Confused - what do I need ...? Almost everything with blenders, graters, meat grinders ... I no longer have a head, but a house of advice ...
What model do you have?

Please tell me which bowl is better - plastic or metal, why? Do you need a pulse button?

Brothers, why didn't anyone write about BOMANN?
Is it really an absolute byaka?
They have attractive prices, different models, there is both a bowl and a steel body, there are different additional attachments ...
What's wrong with him?
And then I was completely tortured with the choice.
Here I read and read, - not at all clarity is added, but only I get even more confused.
And then at the next forum they advised not to bother with the kneader at all, but to buy HP and entrust the whole process to it.
They advise POLARIS PBM 1501D, they say, even a tight dough kneads well, - who used the thread?
Only I have such a suspicion that I will still bake in the MV or in the oven, and the HP will turn out only for kneading.
By the way, I also need a meat grinder ... So, probably, a dough mixer with a nozzle is better.
I bake bread without fanaticism: 1-2 times a week at 350-800 gr. flour (up to 1 kg), mainly wheat-rye, favorite combination - 50/50. Hearth is more nra
Sweet pastries - also 1-2 p. per week (pies, muffins, muffins, ...)
I like good, high-quality equipment, the price is not particularly annoying, but using a cannon to shoot sparrows is ridiculous. And the dimensions of the kitchen do not accept guns.
Help, good people!
And then there's the DR on the nose, - the husband completely tortured with the choice of a gift.

Olga, as I understand you)))
Itself, while I was reading the branch, I was so-so hammered in my head that I no longer know whether I need a kneader or not)))
If you have such "frivolous" tasks - you can take a closer look at bosch mum 4406.
I read, read about supercars and decided to take it - for the dough, biscuits and cupcakes, it will be enough for me. It takes up little space and its price is quite budget.
If the budget does not interest you, take kitchenade - handsome!
read reviews about BOMANN'e through a translator (I really trust the German Amazon - the Germans are not very enthusiastic)
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Thank you, Vera!
Only there I did not see anything about the Bomanovsk harvesters from your link.
I didn't understand if they were good or not.
About Bosch - thank you, read it. It looks somehow flimsy. And the power of 500 W is not small, is it? I have an old mixer with both power and more impressive hooks.
And what other considerations will anyone have? She herself has already imagined all

[Olga]

buy HP and entrust the whole process to it.

Olga , HP does an excellent job with the standard test.

Mistletoe, yes, as a kneader and dough warmer - a bread maker is ideal, you would still screw a whisk to it)))

Thank you, Vera!
Only there I did not see anything about the Bomanovsk harvesters from your link.

You probably didn't completely copy the link.
open up
enter bomann küchenmaschine in the search bar
Well, read those reviews that are 3 and 2 stars - they usually describe the problems in detail.

interpreter

I found reviews on different Bomann combines and kneaders on AMAZON - quite decent. Even negative reviews are not too negative, and concern more dimensions and noise. True, some models have no reviews at all.
This all confused me even more: why doesn't anyone recommend it here?
It seems that the power is good, and the case is steel, and the price is divine, and there are models with different nozzles, and there is even a heated model with cooking-roasting ... Only I did not find reviews about other models.
I did not find any records of the work, it is not clear whether it was noisy.Some write that it is noisy, some - that it is not very.
But everyone is happy with the power, even in negative answers.
I don’t understand anything!

There are no reviews, maybe they haven't tried it yet) let's buy and tell us)

Sly Maria!
I don't have enough experience in this matter to figure it out. Yes, and there is nothing to compare with, then to give some recommendations to others.
I will also look, think, ask questions
Maybe I'll even decide that HP is enough for me.
Then I'll go to another branch to torment the people in order to choose the right HP

Olga, I have both HP and dough mixer Bosch Mum 4405 (not for sale in Russia). And we have a model 4406.
But when I chose, there was not such a variety. And I brought myself from Austria.
In general, I dreamed of Kitchen Aed, but very expensive (

Maria! Here you are what I need))) I'm going to take Boshik ...
As I understand it, 4405 differs from 4406 only by the presence of "priblud", right? How do you like the kneader? You're happy? Are there any features? What are you very happy with and what you don't like - please write !!!

Sly Maria!
I don't have enough experience in this matter to figure it out. Yes, and there is nothing to compare with, then to give some recommendations to others.
I will also look, think, ask questions
Maybe I'll even decide that HP is enough for me.
Then I'll go to another branch to torment the people in order to choose the right HP

The bread maker does a good job of kneading dough, but you love, as I understand it, hw bread. psh, the bread maker can hardly cope with such a dough, given that you bake large breads, and not all of its functions will be used, do you need it? If I were you, I would take Kenwood, there is a Blender meat grinder in the kit and a lot of everything, there is good support on the forum, the technique is tested and reliable.

Faith, but the differences are only in accessories)
Of course, I did not try other kneaders, except for Thermomix31 (but I felt sorry for him to drive the dough), but I'm happy with Bosch.
Eggs are beaten away! Certainly not in three minutes, like mixers, longer, but very high quality.
The proteins are just solid, you can build a slide. I posted a photo somewhere.
The dough for different pies is also great.
I kneaded the bread in it for 500 grams of flour, although she writes that it could be more. The kneading did 6-8 minutes without stopping, the flight was normal. It is clear that it heats up, but normal, not scary.
It is very convenient to disassemble and wash. It takes up little space.
Well, everything seems to be fine. For this price, I don't want to look for flaws))
Yes, I have not tried it on rye flour yet, my hands have not reached it) I need to protest, yesterday I bought rye flour)

Thanks for the feedback, I have already "tortured" kisuri at the expense of 46 Bosch - only positive reviews!
Now I can consider myself determined - I still take mum! It remains to choose between 4406 and 46A1!

What's the difference between them? And what is the price?

I want 46a1 only because of the color, but since the car will still be in the closet, I will probably buy 4406 ..
46 power 550

4406 - 500w - Price from 4500
46a1 - 550w - the price ... I haven't found the prices - no luck!

Maria! Here you are what I need))) I'm going to take Boshik ...
As I understand it, 4405 differs from 4406 only by the presence of "priblud", right? How do you like the kneader? You're happy? Are there any features? What are you very happy with and what you don't like - please write !!!

About Bosch! I have never bought a harvester, I don’t know, but all other equipment from this company is extremely unreliable, everything that can be bought in the store (except for large household appliances) was from Bosch, everything was in the trash, the last one burned out a blender bought for 8 months. back, after grinding peanuts, the glass from the blender itself (clamping ring) failed on the second day of use. And in general, it's hard for me to imagine how the Bosch will knead the dough by about 1kg, if my Kitchen can hardly cope.

I will not argue, maybe now the quality has become worse. Let's see how long it lasts) I have it without a guarantee, maybe I brought it from Austria) I will hope that they are doing better for them)))

I will not argue, maybe now the quality has become worse. Let's see how long it lasts) I have it without a guarantee, maybe I brought it from Austria) I will hope that they are doing better for them)))

I disassembled their technique, one plastic and not of high quality, I myself wanted to take a mum 800, but I read the reviews and the desire fell away, but the younger models are especially praised by the 46 series combines. In general, marriage goes everywhere, both expensive and cheap, the old models were more reliable.

That's why I bought the simplest one) I myself wonder how long it will last.
By the way, I have searched a lot of stores in Austria. Mostly sold Kenwoods and Boshi MooM.
Moreover, I went to private shops and to huge hypermarkets such as Mediamarkt.
And I found mine in EuroSpar))) there was only one and no one wanted him) moreover, I saw it and did not buy it and was so sorry that I forced my husband to call in there on the way back, maybe not on the way. And he stood for a month and waited for me. Che, the Austrian mistresses did not fall for him)) but no one opened the box, we would have torn everything up and pulled it out long ago))

About Bosch! I have never bought a harvester, I don’t know, but all other equipment from this company is extremely unreliable, everything that can be bought in a store (except for large household appliances) was from Bosch ...

I sympathize! For personal use, two units from bosch - a slicer from the 1990s (I don't remember exactly the year) and a drying machine - everything works flawlessly! There are many Bosch users among the closest circle - no problems were observed!
As you can see, I have a different opinion and personal experience ...

Unfortunately, now, the entire production system is built on "disposability" so you won't be able to choose for centuries, unfortunately! I would buy KitchenAid, which is very beautiful, but there is nowhere to put it, and the price ...

Good movie about consumption, take a look! Maybe it will make you think ...

[Bosch MUM48A1]

Maria, misled you !!! not 46 but 48 !!! - Bosch MUM48A1
we have in one store - it costs 9500 (completely brutalized)
the Germans have almost 100 euros + 26 delivery - at a price almost comparable to 44 here ...
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