Kneading machines

The question was not about dumplings, but about small amounts. Some smears the dough on the walls, others wind it on a hook. It is still not clear which machine takes small volumes well, choose knives or hooks?

What do you call "small volumes"? Isn't it easier then to take an ordinary mixer? Buy a Zelmer for 3 liters - the volume of the bowl. But he will turn 100 g of flour + 50 ml of water into dough for you

Buy a Zelmer for 3 liters - the volume of the bowl. But he will turn 100 g of flour + 50 ml of water into dough for you

And how are they Zelmer, do the equipment with dignity? I don't know about them, if anything.

Zelmer is Poland. It resembles an ordinary hand mixer, such as Bosch, with a bowl, the bowl revolves around its axis. The mixer can be used as just a manual one, and on a bed, hooks and whisks, a spatula, and a blender are included.

The question was not about dumplings, but about small amounts. Some smears the dough on the walls, others wind it on a hook. It is still not clear which machine takes small volumes well, choose knives or hooks?

Is it that much small volume?
Give an example of a recipe.

I have a BOSCH MUM-4406 combine
About winding on a hook:
made according to this recipe
For the test, you will need:
Flour - about 1.75 cups
Water - 0.5 cups
Yes, the dough winds up and the ball rolls on the hook, but it is removed easily and kneads quickly.
In other words, it knocked into a ball and then spun on the hook.

And here is a thinner dough, for example this bread:
160 ml water
160 g flour
45 g cereal
half a serving is about the output of 350 grams of bread

Smeared on the wall and had to collect with a spoon (it's simple and quick).
I don’t think it’s a disadvantage, if it would have happened in a combine with a knife, it would have been more difficult to collect due to the presence of a pillar in the center of the bowl, but here it is very convenient to collect, the dough does not bounce off the bowl.
But he kneaded the whole portion perfectly.
In short, if you need a dough mixer in small volumes, I recommend paying attention to stationary mixers:
the most powerful in this group is the Bosch MFQ 3560.
ADVANTAGES OF STATIONARY MIXERS in comparison with a bread machine: kneading biscuit dough (for example on cakes), whipping whites, creams with whisk.
Disadvantages in comparison with combines, it is impossible to knead a lot of about 1 kg of dough at a time, the maximum amount of kneading is 0.5 kg.
opportunity.
There are also very cheap bread makers that are suitable for kneading dough.
for example
bakery Supra BMS 150, batch about 500-550 grams
costs only 1130 rubles !!!
Disadvantages of bread makers, poor quality of non-stick surface:
salt, sugar is recommended to be dissolved in liquid.

A ball is not a ball ...
Depends on the consistency of the dough.
If the dough is liquid, I think any device will smear it ...

If I have enough time the other day, I'll tell you (with a video) how I managed to get bread on the BOSCH MUM-4406 (this is how I first tried to get a ball, but the dough suffered from it, it turned out hammered and tasteless, now I figured it out)

In short, if you need a dough mixer in small volumes, I recommend paying attention to stationary mixers:
the most powerful in this group is the Bosch MFQ 3560.
If I have enough time the other day, I'll tell you (with a video) how I managed to get bread on the BOSCH MUM-4406 (this is how I first tried to get a ball, but the dough suffered from it, it turned out hammered and tasteless, now I figured it out)

Thanks for the video, it's just a shame that the most interesting thing is not showing how it ended up being mixed up.

And it would not be bad to see what happened on Boch

Good day, everyone.

I decided to join a friendly family of bakers and bakers. We are already using the Panasonic 257 stove with might and main.I would like to please the family with a good machine for kneading dough (including a steep one for dumplings and noodles). The choice fell on the Krups combine KA9027 Krups Prep Expert.

I ordered it today, they promised to deliver it on Monday.
So I decided to ask experts, can anyone have experience with this machine and what is it like? I am interested in the goal "So that it would not be excruciatingly painful for wasted money."

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There is no better combine in the world, but staboutit, bastard, not cheap.

And where is it sold then?
Searching only for Sweden and leaving. And how much is such a miracle worth?

And where is it sold then?
Searching only for Sweden and leaving. And how much is such a miracle worth?

Estonia, Spain ... six months ago this miracle cost 700 euros .. plus add shipping

In my opinion, Krups KA9027 Krups Prep Expert and GASTRORAG QF-3470 from one machine, only the latter is 4 times cheaper.
I made a choice between these two and another Bork E 800 (though I caught my eye a couple while I traveled the whole city and all the offices of online stores selling dough mixers ...).
After twisting, turning all the units - Bork immediately brushed aside. Plastic turd is expensive. Apparently for the name, a markup of 500%. Ah-ha-ha)))
I didn’t want to overpay for cereals either, since the blender and meat grinder are very good. No lotions needed. The mixer just broke down and decided to find a kneader instead.
As a result, I bought GASTRORAG. Infinitely satisfied. It was not for nothing that I ran around the city and offices and felt, tried everything with my own hands. There was something to compare with.
In my opinion, GASTRORAG turned out to be of the highest quality and, oddly enough, the cheapest. Metal bowl. Metal nozzles. And the handsome man himself on suckers. I got up in my kitchen, as it was there.
It kneads both a small amount of dough and a large amount - very well. I'm very happy so far.

[Elina]

Elina
Congratulations on your purchase !! It would be very interesting to know what volumes of dough this machine can knead and how it copes with dough on dumplings ...
Master, we will wait for your impressions. Good luck!!

Thank you! I will not stop looking at the purchase. I don't know if it will meet all expectations, but I just like it and it fits very much into the design of my kitchen. And my requests are small: a good mixer and kneader for rye bread and cakes.
I tested it 4 times so far.
Beat eggs (2 pcs.) With a whisk. I kneaded the dough for pancakes with a beater, dough for rolls and dough for rye bread with a hook.
I haven't taken any photos yet. There was no time. Everything was required urgently. I am satisfied with the results: the eggs are beaten, the dough for the rolls is elastic, does not stick to my hands, the bowl is almost clean. Bread did not interfere for long - about eight minutes (I think not enough). I'll have to try again (without haste). But the bread came across beautiful.
When I take up the dumplings, I will definitely take a picture of the whole process.
Hook: The maximum batch of bread dough is 2 kg.
Whisk: Maximum load of eggs - 16.
Beater: filling the bowl no more than 2/3 of the volume (Bowl volume 4.5 liters.)

Good day everyone. Girls and boys, tell me, no one has come across such a thing: Kitchen machine PROFI COOK KM 1004
It's just that now we have a 5 app store offering. And in general, the price is quite reasonable compared to the same Kenwood. All aggregates are non-metallic. There is only one review and it is positive. And the kneader is very hot

And for what purposes do you want to take this miracle? There are too many things in the kit. If just for kneading the dough, it is possible and easier to find units. And if you also need a blender, a meat grinder - then maybe it's worth taking.

Yes, it seems that there is just too much and not much. I want to knead the dough. In principle, a blender does not hurt either, since I only have a submersible and the chopper bowl for it broke. There really is a meat grinder. And from the rest of the devices, it seems like only different nozzles for beating and something for making spaghetti. I am confused by the volume of the bowl - 6 liters Well, what size will this unit be? Casserole from MV - 4.5 liters. and this is 1.5 liters. more.

In general, some surprisingly low cost compared to Kenwood

In my opinion, there is an error in the description on the site from which you gave the information (I already looked at it). The width cannot be 420 cm. Probably still 420 mm. (i.e. 42 cm.)
In principle, not so much And what is the weight of Kenwood? The price is certainly attractive. It seems that in our Foxtrot this professional cook is alive. I'll go and see tomorrow. Oh, I already really want something

In my opinion, there is an error in the description on the site from which you gave the information (I already looked at it). The width cannot be 420 cm. Probably still 420 mm. (i.e. 42 cm.)
In principle, not so much And what is the weight of Kenwood? The price is certainly attractive. It seems that in our Foxtrot this professional cook is alive. I'll go and see tomorrow. Oh, I already really want something

Exactly, they have a slip of the tongue, now I will forward it here
You can come to me
I like him too, but even through the yahuu I did not find a planetary mechanism for him or not ...

Thank you! I will not stop looking at the purchase. I don't know if it will meet all expectations, but I just like it and it fits very much into the design of my kitchen. And my requests are small: a good mixer and kneader for rye bread and cakes.
I tested it 4 times so far.
Beat eggs (2 pcs.) With a whisk. I kneaded the dough for pancakes with a beater, dough for rolls and dough for rye bread with a hook.
I haven't taken any photos yet. There was no time. Everything was required urgently. I am satisfied with the results: the eggs are beaten, the dough for the rolls is elastic, does not stick to my hands, the bowl is almost clean. Bread did not interfere for long - about eight minutes (I think not enough). I'll have to try again (without haste). But the bread came across beautiful.
When I take up the dumplings, I will definitely take a picture of the whole process.
Hook: The maximum batch of bread dough is 2 kg.
Whisk: Maximum load of eggs - 16.
Beater: filling the bowl no more than 2/3 of the volume (Bowl volume 4.5 liters.)

Well, how is the dumplings dough doing? I also really like the device. But I read somewhere that it is for an easy test and can work for 5 minutes. according to the instructions, so I look forward to your feedback.

In my opinion, Krups KA9027 Krups Prep Expert and GASTRORAG QF-3470 from one machine, only the latter is 4 times cheaper.
I made a choice between these two and another Bork E 800 (though I caught my eye a couple while I traveled the whole city and all the offices of online stores selling dough mixers ...).
...

Eco you had enough !!!

Krups are 2 heads higher than your GASTRORAG in at least the following positions:

1) After every 4 - 5 minutes of continuous operation, allow the engine to cool down for at least 10 minutes. Failure to do so may result in equipment failure due to overload.
That is, stand with the clock and measure.
2) The equipment is not intended for kneading dough bread dough. The moisture content of the dough (the ratio of the volume of water to the mass of flour) should not be lower than 75%. Failure to do so may result in equipment failure due to overload.
This is why GASTRORAG is so cheap. And as you know, good things are never cheap.
Krups KA9027 Prep Expert has no restrictions on the kneading time (although I have carefully looked at the instructions, it says that when kneading a tough dough for more than 30 minutes, it is recommended to take a break for the motor to rest) and it is INTENDED FOR A TIGHT dough.

P.S. Krups' motor warranty is 10 years.

Eco you had enough !!!

Krups are 2 heads higher than your GASTRORAG in at least the following positions:

1) After every 4 - 5 minutes of continuous operation, allow the engine to cool down for at least 10 minutes. Failure to do so may result in equipment failure due to overload.
That is, stand with the clock and measure.
2) The equipment is not intended for kneading dough bread dough. The moisture content of the dough (the ratio of the volume of water to the mass of flour) should not be lower than 75%. Failure to do so may result in equipment failure due to overload.

Krups KA9027 Prep Expert has no restrictions on the kneading time (although I have carefully looked at the instructions, it says that when kneading a tough dough for more than 30 minutes, it is recommended to take a break for the motor to rest) and it is INTENDED FOR A TIGHT dough. This is why GASTRORAG is so cheap.And as you know, good things are never cheap.


P.S. Krups' motor warranty is 10 years.

Probably you are right But I want to hear from the head of the transport department Elina, but she disappeared somewhere

Anna1957, where you subtracted: 1) After every 4 - 5 minutes of continuous operation, allow the engine to cool down for at least 10 minutes. Failure to do so may result in equipment failure due to overload.
That is, stand with the clock and measure.
2) The equipment is not intended for kneading dough bread dough. The moisture content of the dough (the ratio of the volume of water to the mass of flour) should not be lower than 75%. Failure to do so may result in equipment failure due to overload.
I don't have that in the instructions. I have been using GASTRO since August 2009, the dough takes any, both liquid and steep, and it was bought specifically for Italian bread from MISH, the dough there is thin and without interruption it works for me for 20-25 minutes. The flight has been normal for 3 years now. The only thing that bothers me is the sound, the engine works like a tractor.

Anna1957, where you subtracted: 1) After every 4 - 5 minutes of continuous operation, allow the engine to cool down for at least 10 minutes. Failure to do so may result in equipment failure due to overload.
That is, stand with the clock and measure.
2) The equipment is not intended for kneading dough bread dough. The moisture content of the dough (the ratio of the volume of water to the mass of flour) should not be lower than 75%. Failure to do so may result in equipment failure due to overload.
I don't have that in the instructions. I have been using GASTRO since August 2009, the dough takes any, both liquid and steep, and it was bought specifically for Italian bread from MISH, the dough there is thin and without interruption it works for me for 20-25 minutes. The flight has been normal for 3 years now. The only thing that bothers me is the sound, the engine works like a tractor.

I didn’t read it, I’m just quoting. I'm just interested in real user experience - people like you. Does it cope with dumplings?

Tomorrow I will look live and ask the consultants, if I can find it.

I report: I went and felt the following impressions:
1) dimensions are incorrect. When I read about the width of 42 cm, I thought about how to fit such an odorobla into the kitchen. Live, even if you take into account the width of the handle on the bowl, well, it won't work that much. Width is about 20-25 cm. The height there is clearly not 24 - but all 40 will come. It can be seen that something was mixed up on the site.
2) about the mechanism - I did not understand anything. Consultants are kind of frostbitten, to put it mildly. What nozzles in the set do not know, and the term "planetary" brought them into a stupor for a minute at 2.: crazy As far as I myself could consider - it seems that the corolla rotates around its axis and bypasses around the bowl perimeter. But at what angle - who knows.
3) The general impression is not bad. It seems that everything is solid, durable. Standing next to the Kenwoods does not lose. Compact enough. But it's visual. I would like feedback from those who have this device.

Well, how is the dumplings dough doing? I also really like the device. But I read somewhere that it is for an easy test and can work for 5 minutes. according to the instructions, so I look forward to your feedback.

Anna, finally got to the dumplings yesterday!

Dough n dumplings


In five minutes


In 10 minutes.




Here is the dough turned out


And dumplings

The instructions really say that the continuous work of the kneader is 5-6 minutes. In principle, in 10 minutes everything is whipped and mixed (and something in 5)! Therefore, once you can give the car a rest) This is of course a minus, but not significant for me, I do not cook on an industrial scale. And this minus for a difference of 15-20 thousand by no means pulls! I'd rather buy myself 4 kneaders and let them break down for health)) Besides, it's not a fact that for 20-30 thousand it won't break in a year !! There would be a 50-year guarantee - one would think.

Another disadvantage of this kneader is that you cannot add any ingredients during operation. We'll have to turn it off, open it and add what is needed.
In general, if not for these 2 minuses - the perfect car.But for this price, everything suits me very much. I'm glad!!!!

Kneading the dough for pies. I threw in food. 2 minutes at 1 speed, 2 minutes at 2 speeds and 2 minutes at 3 speeds. And the dough is ready. It turned out well, the dough is elastic, it doesn't stick to your hands. The beauty!

The instructions really say that the continuous work of the kneader is 5-6 minutes. In principle, everything is whipped and kneaded in 10 minutes (and something in 5)! Therefore, once you can give the car a rest) This is of course a minus, but not significant for me, I do not cook on an industrial scale. And this minus for a difference of 15-20 thousand by no means pulls! I'd rather buy myself 4 kneaders and let them break down for health)) Besides, it's not a fact that for 20-30 thousand it won't break in a year !! There would be a 50-year guarantee - one would think.

Another disadvantage of this kneader is that you cannot add any ingredients during operation. We'll have to turn it off, open it and add whatever is needed.
In general, if not for these 2 minuses - the perfect car. But for this price, everything suits me very much. I'm glad!!!!

ATP for an interesting report. I was mainly interested in dumplings and rye dough, there are no problems with other problems. Have you tried kneading rye bread? Enough for 5 minutes with its power? And how much should there be a break? It's just that, reading about this kneader, I decided that even the yeast dough is too dense for him, like only biscuit and proteins. But you made me happy with your conclusions.

ATP for an interesting report. I was mainly interested in dumplings and rye dough, there are no problems with other problems. Have you tried kneading rye bread? Enough for 5 minutes with its power? And how much should there be a break? It's just that, reading about this kneader, I decided that even the yeast dough is too dense for him, like only biscuit and proteins. But you made me happy with your conclusions.

If only a biscuit and squirrels - I would not buy it! It was rye dough that interested me (since we only eat rye bread) and yeast dough for rolls and cakes.
3 attachments are attached to it.

Whisk - for beating eggs, creams.
Beater - for beating medium dough.
The hook is for bread dough.
So yeast - kneads without problems.

I made rye dough. 6 minutes (I tried without interruption). The bread is good. The instructions say that beat the bread dough for 2 minutes at 1,2,3 speeds (only 6 minutes). In principle, it kneads. I will try again with breaks for 10-15 minutes. Break for 10 minutes. I'll see if it makes sense to knead so much! I will do - I will throw pictures.

[Kitchen machine PROFI COOK KM 1004]

In general, some surprisingly low cost compared to Kenwood
I am looking for a planetary batch or not

Kitchen machine PROFI COOK KM 1004

This harvester is very similar to him:

Food processor (4 in 1) Clatronic KM 3350

4 in 1: blender (chopper) + mixer (kneader) + meat grinder + device for making pasta



Food processor:

- heavy-duty electric motor 1000W;

-6 speeds plus pulse mode;

- 5 liter stainless steel bowl for 2 kg of dough;

- a container for mixing products with a school and an opening for adding ingredients (volume - 1.5 liters)

-special hook mixer (with splash protection) for yeast and bread dough;

-Additional hook with splash protection;

-metal whisk with splash protection;

-massive special drive;

- multifunctional movable arm;

-convenient operation and cleaning;

- splash-proof cover with a hole for adding products;

-blocking safety system;

-unlocking mechanism for the multifunctional lever;

-reliable installation;


Meat grinder:

-metal neck;

-metal auger;

-3 high quality steel dicks with holes;

-knife made of high quality steel;

- nozzle for filling sausages;

- a nozzle for cookies;

-metal tray for adding products;
Pasta maker:

-the possibility of self-cooking noodles using 5 nozzles at home;

-form for cooking lasagna;

-form for making pasta / penne;

-form for making homemade noodles;

-form for cooking large spaghetti;

- a form for cooking thin spaghetti;

-in the set box for storing attachments;



Power supply: 220-240V 50 / 60Hz

1000W max, 600W nom.
This photo clearly shows that the mechanism is planetary:

It looks similar, but not quite. The design is different. The declared power of the proficuc is 1400 W, and the clathronic is 1000. And the mechanism looks a little different, the cup of the proficuc is more elongated upward. In general, new questions begin - what is better than proficouk or clathronic. Unfortunately, I will not see the clathronic in the city alive anywhere, only through the Internet. There is no way to compare. And I did not find any reviews anywhere.

[tuskarora,]

tuskarora, I meant that the picture shows that the mechanism of the Clatronic KM 3350 is planetary. The axis of the nozzle is not located in the center of the disk, which means that in addition to the spinning axis with the nozzle, there is also a movement of the disk, and thus the axis also moves in a circle.

I myself do not know what to buy.

I have a combine with a shredder, a blender bowl and a good meat grinder. I'm only interested in kneading dough and egg and cream beaters. That is, I would be satisfied with this option:

Mixer + Dough mixer Clatronic KM 2718

Food processor KM 2718 silver 1000 W
Mixer + Dough mixer
Special reinforced drive
5 liter stainless steel bowl

The maximum allowable load weight is 2kg
Heavy duty 1000W motor
Special mixer hook for yeast and bread dough
Additional metal hook with splash protection
6 position switch + pulse mode
Swivel mechanism

The attached recipes in Russian
230 x 360 x 225 mm
230 V, 50 Hz, 1000 W

Well, for example, pulling the sticky dough - I use the handle of the bowl with one hand, and I turn this bowl as I want, with the other hand I help with the spatula.
And without a handle, sho? Lean and hug on the belly like a watermelon? No, it's inconvenient, without a handle I can't hold it with one hand

I already see at least three interested in new things.

Let's, maybe the collective brain can choose something worthwhile.

Tomorrow I'll go to Foxtrot, Technopolis and Comfi. I'll see what you can live.

In-in, the collective mind is the whole power! Boom to think. I also like the pen. To hold on. although Klatronikovsky was just a dough mixer, too. all the same, I will give myself a gift on March 8. It remains to decide which one.

Today I made them (sellers) start, spin Proficuk in all modes
Combine operation looked very reliable and powerful!
At the highest speed - growled like a meat grinder! (but for me it is very loud, at night, somehow, when people are sleeping, it's scary to go to knead the dough)

4 mode buttons - Meat grinder, Blender, Eggs / xxx (I forgot what was written through the fraction) and some other last mode.
Not in all modes it is possible to smoothly change the speed, only on one, by the poke method we did hit it.
It works only with a mounted mixer, they said that there is a plug so that the mixer does not run, but I did not check this moment with the plug, they did not look for the plug.
The mechanism is yes - planetary!!!

When you turn the handle to raise the top and remove the bowl, first the combine rises by itself, then you need to adjust it manually. The bowl sat there firmly and securely, it was taken out with difficulty. It was also difficult to insert, it was turned to the end with an effort, only after that the top could close back.

The meat grinder does not dangle much.
And also - it is on suction cups to just take to rearrange it is very problematic for female hands.

That is, the harvester inspires respect and, I think, the bowl is carried in the grooves, it will be easy here and there.
I really like it, but I realized one thing for myself - that it is much quieter, faster and easier for me to work with a 2-whisk mixer and HP for kneading dough.

I wonder - how much quieter is KitchenAid or just as loud?

I won't say anything about KitchenAid, but the krups ka9027 prep expert is much quieter than Kenwood (Kenwood KM 010) and Bosch (Bosch MUM 84MP1). Here is an observation.

I looked at ProfiCuck again. (In another store). The view is impressively reliable. They turned it on for me too. Of course, it is difficult to judge the work without the contents of the bowl. But it works so powerfully. Of course there is noise. But my stationary mixer Zelmer at maximum speed roars somewhere also, perhaps. There are instructions in Russian, and there are even some recipes there, I really didn't read them. Dimensions - that's what I don't really like. On closer inspection, it is more massive than Kenwood. First of all, in height. In general, I will think about it. ..... But I guess I'll take it.

That's it, I have it !!!! Yesterday they delivered my proficook to me. Yesterday I really didn't have time to use it, but I checked all the functions. So:
The car is a beast !!!!! When you increase the speed, it seems that right now it will take off.
The mechanism seems to work easily. The only effort I made was when I removed the cup. He walks really tight. I will test the kneading test today. Yesterday I was driving a meat grinder and a blender. The blender is very good, powerful. Beat the cocktail once or twice, chop the fruit in mashed potatoes.
But the meat grinder upset me. (I don't really need it, my Zelmer turns it great), but it's still unpleasant. She chewed the meat instead of twisting it. And in general, against the background of the entire device, it looks somehow not solid. The auger is like a toy, some kind of cute.

Includes attachments for 4 types of pasta, cookies, sausages, etc. Whether I will use this - I don't know.
The main focus is on the kneader and blender. I will run the dough mixer with the products today and report back. But I was immediately inspired by his kneading hook. He's so - so ......... Hefty. With the speed that the cook turns, the result should be quite at the level.
And by the way, the instructions for this device say exactly "dough mixer". So this is his first priority.

Rye bread (with my assistant GASTRORAG QF-3470)


After 5 min.


In 10 minutes.


15 minutes.


Here's a dough.


And the last piece of bread))))

tuskarora, congratulations on your purchase!

Try to cook macaros at least once. Well, it would be very interesting to see!

Protein with sugar! It's just a miracle. I couldn't beat it with a mixer)

[tuskarora]

That's it, I have it !!!! Yesterday they delivered my proficook to me. Yesterday I really didn't have time to use it, but I checked all the functions. So:
The car is a beast !!!!! When you increase the speed, it seems that right now it will take off.

tuskarora - Congratulations!!! Otozh - the first word that came to my mind is a powerful beast

Beast, then beast! But the fact that no meat grinder was put into the kit ...

Beast, then beast! But the fact that no meat grinder was put into the kit ...

Maybe the design of the knife is not worked out there, it cannot be corrected with any power.

Rye bread (with my assistant GASTRORAG QF-3470)


After 5 min.


In 10 minutes.


15 minutes.


Here's a dough.


And the last piece of bread))))

Impressive. And without a break for 15 minutes?

When the device is 5 in 1, it is difficult to expect amazing results in everything. They always sacrifice something!
It's all the same, a hundred to compare the camera in the phone and a separate professional one))))

Maybe the design of the knife is not worked out there, it cannot be corrected with any power.

I meant that if the manufacturer was able to complete this harvester with a fig meat grinder, then other surprises are possible.

When the device is 5 in 1, it is difficult to expect amazing results in everything. They always sacrifice something!
It's all the same, a hundred to compare the camera in the phone and a separate professional one))))

Well, I don’t know, I have a meat grinder in my Philips harvester - it’s like a beast, probably it can grind bones. And there are functions ...

Impressive. And without a break for 15 minutes?

I did it with 2 breaks every 5 minutes. However, the bread turned out to be the same from the dough in 5 minutes. and from the dough in 15 minutes. So it makes sense to knead for 15 minutes. I did not see. 6-7 minutes without interruption. It's enough.

I did it with 2 breaks every 5 minutes. However, the bread turned out to be the same from the dough in 5 minutes. and from the dough in 15 minutes. So it makes sense to knead for 15 minutes. I did not see. 6-7 minutes without interruption. It's enough.

How long are the breaks? It was you who baked for the sake of the experiment for 5 and 15 minutes.batch? Great, thanks to the pioneer

Girls, thanks for the congratulations. I myself am not overjoyed, despite the not very successful experience with the meat grinder.
Now I was kneading the dough for bread (sieve with sourdough according to the Mistletoe recipe). Kneads very intensively, the speed increases very smoothly if necessary. Practically does not smear on the walls. The dough was kneaded pretty quickly - in 5-7 minutes. For the first time I saw with my own eyes what a test for gluten film is. Regarding the volume, that dough there is a total of 445 grams of flour (75 in sourdough, 150 in dough, 220 in dough). Photos later when I try rye and dumplings.

How long are the breaks? It was you who baked for the sake of the experiment for 5 and 15 minutes. batch? Great, thanks to the pioneer

Break 10 min. Yes, for the sake of experiment, I kneaded for 5 and 15 minutes. and rye dough, and dough for pies. Everything is kneaded in 5-6 minutes. (as it is written in the instructions) and burn for 10-15 minutes. in my opinion it makes no sense.