Kneading machines

, if you were choosing a kneader now, what would you buy?

It all depends on how much and how often you will knead in it. I have Bosch, like Lena-Bijou and Klarstein, with a large bowl, 1200W, I whip a lot in it for Belevskaya pastila. Bosch could not cope with such volumes and frequency of use, and he is rather weak for a marshmallow .. It would have died long ago.

Right here

Rye-wheat bread "Light" (master class) (oven) (Stеrn)

I baked rye bread and kneaded in Kesh 023, and the author kneaded in Boche

[Miranda]

MirandaThen I beg your pardon means wrong, and the hook is also from an early Hassler model

[Lena]

in Boshik above 10 minutes, as I wrote earlier in the topic and I have no reason not to trust myself.))

Lena, beautiful dough from Bosik.

Doesn't the dough overheat in forty minutes?

No, it does not overheat. I take water from the refrigerator, as for HP. I knead at the first speed for 10 minutes, let it rest for about 15 minutes, then knead at the second speed for 20-30 minutes. Smooth, silky and shiny dough does not work, for the life of me.

[Stavr]

Stavr, I even thought that the new spiral Kenwood for Hassler was made. Comparative reviews are different - someone does not see much of a difference, someone, on the contrary, believes that the difference is big. I personally cannot compare, I do not have a new hook.

And by weight here
Kenwood kitchen machine: working with attachments # 5115

Lena, beautiful dough from Boshik.

Well Duc count, how surprised I myself was ??

Well, at least I decided to get it out of the box and try it, otherwise I would give it away without knowing that it already happens.)))

Well, at least I decided to get it out of the box and try it, otherwise I would give it away without knowing that it already happens.)))

Flax, he has been plowing incessantly for 14 years. TTT .. I like it very much. good technique.

Well Duc count, how surprised I myself was ??

Like very much. good technique.

No, no, no, I haven't seen or read it. If I just stutter that I need another kneader, they'll kick me out of the house.

Well Duc count, how surprised I myself was ??

Well, at least I decided to get it out of the box and try it, otherwise I would give it away without knowing that it already happens.)))

And I have a BOSH 5 and such a dough does not work, although the power is greater. If there is not much dough, it gets lost on one side and the hook walks around the empty space. And if it does knead, it still doesn't work so smooth

If I just stutter that I need another kneader, they'll kick me out of the house.

But in Bosik it is good to do a small amount of dough. For me, ideally 2 -2.5 tbsp. flour. It can handle a lot of volume, that's why we bought the Clarstein. True, as soon as they bought it, the child moved away from us and the volume of bread fell sharply.

Found a video, not the best quality, but still.

1. Bread. There is a total of 0.5 kg. flour - rye, corn, wheat, rye bran. The moment where I add the seeds, you can watch them.

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2. Easter cake for 1 kg. flour, a lot of dough, there was butter and dough for the night. This is the last long batch, more than half an hour.

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After 1.5 hours of proofing after kneading, she stirred and defrosted in two bowls. A night dough in 9 liters. there was a saucepan, I then divided it into two bowls before kneading. Each bowl contains 1kg dough. flour.

But in Bosik it is good to do a small amount of dough. For me, ideally 2 -2.5 tbsp. flour.

One cannot but agree with this. I don’t remember exactly, but usually I made only 500 grams of flour (this means +330 water and a little oil).I don't remember at 600 grams, I seem to have done it, but then it rises upward - a lot.

And I have a BOSH 5 and such a dough does not work, although the power is greater. If there is not much dough, it gets lost on one side and the hook walks around the empty space. And if it does knead, it still doesn't work so smooth

Strange ... They seem to work according to the same principle! I somehow tortured the owner of another model ... I don't remember exactly the name, but I really liked Kenwood before buying, so smart ... ah, MaxxiMUM is chocolate! It's even bigger, right? (and was more expensive than Kesha, which stopped me). So they assured that he raises any dough with his "wire" and there are no complaints (the owner also understood what he was talking about).

Discovery day today is some kind of, by God ...))

[Bijou]

Bijou, I have had this for 3 years already, well, he copes, but I don’t like the way he kneads the dough, at first there was no other, this one seemed to be normal, and when it’s more and longer that wheat, that rye with mats! Uzhos.

[in my specific conditions]

The moment where I add the seeds, you can watch them.

Uh-huh. I can't immediately find a similar one from Kitchen, I found an understandable one in a first approximation, but the lady makes the dough completely "not in our way." , by the way) - that's enough.

But the kneading itself and the movement of the hook are visible. Find three differences (except for speed).))) If the forum posts a link without a time reference, then 4:40 and a little further time to view.

but I don’t like how he kneads the dough, at first there was no other, this one was kind of normal, but when it’s more and longer that wheat that rye with mats! Uzhos.

So I'm not trying to persuade you specifically.)) The essence of the conversation is that in my specific conditions on a small amount of ordinary bread wheat dough, small Bosch kneads better than small Kenwood at times. All.

I stuttered at home to buy a self-made hook from Ibei - they made fun of me, they say, at the price of Bosch a piece of iron?
So I'm sitting with a ten-year-old bread machine.)) Look, I bought a second one for Avito, for spare parts.

[Bijou]

Bijou, and why from kitschen similar? We don't compare them. Or compare? And then I have already lost my thought

Yes, the speed is called - kill the car

I was ridiculed, they say, at the price of Bosch a piece of iron?

The hook cost 6 thousand rubles?

Biju, but why is it similar from kitschen? We don't compare them. Or compare? And then I already lost my thought

If the hooks are the same, then the kneading should be the same. Are we talking about the quality of the batch? Or not already?

The hook cost 6 thousand rubles?

No, with delivery it seemed like something came out between 4 and 5, I don't remember exactly. )) My daughter did not appreciate it, she said "let me buy you Boshik better", Bijou was indignant that she had nowhere to put, on that conversation and dried up.))

If the hooks are the same, then the kneading should be the same.

There is still a difference. In the geometry of the bowl, the gravity of the hook, the bend. Here is a new Kenwood hook, new and with a spatula, they seem to be the same, but there is a difference.

But this is already
Ask the professional service about the hook, and maybe you will be happy with a small bowl of kenwood.

Tomorrow I plan to make a loaf, I will also try to remove it. The main thing is not to forget. There is still butter and pure wheat flour, and in the bread from the video above there is a little vegetable and a complex mixture of flour.

[Bijou]

I take water from the refrigerator, as for HP.

All of a sudden, I received very valuable information!

Flax, he has been plowing incessantly for 14 years.

Not in vain on the German Amazon, Bosch planetary has an excellent rating.

Brought a photo of the batch in Boshik

I repeat once again about Boshik, who has Bijou - Ludmila Marianna-Aga sang such laudatory odes to him ... And it seems that she still considers this particular Bosch model to be one of the best for kneading yeast dough.

Svetlana, if you were choosing a kneader now, what would you buy? KenwoodKukingshef, or Ankasrum? Here I sit thinking, for almost a year

I have Kitchen and Ankarsrum. Kitchen is a confectionery.Ankarsrum - complex breads from 1 kg of flour, cakes (wheat is kneaded and baked by a bread machine). If I chose now, the choice would be the same.

I chose for myself, for my skills, abilities and tasks. Well, nobody canceled the aesthetic moment. Someone like the way Tesla looks, some like the Jaguar

[Svetlenki]

Svetlenki... look at LP.
Well. Marianne Yeah now. judging by her blog, she prefers manual kneading. And not everyone can do it.
My hand joints hurt a lot, and I've been kneading dough with my hands all my life.
It is not for nothing that strong men with strong hands used to work in bakeries - this is physically hard work.
I remember from my childhood. how my grandmother made dough for Easter cakes and sk. time she kneaded it.
So do I . when the joints started to hurt, I bought HB Kenwood. "Killed" her with rye dough. bought a second one of the same. "killed" her and understood. that you need to buy a kneader. as heavy rye dough HB is not able to knead. (Well, go if a small amount. For a small "brick" of bread.

Well. Marianne Yeah now. judging by her blog, she prefers manual kneading.

Come on!))) I don’t read it in general, but the name is heard, of course. Yesterday I also wanted to write that the most beautiful dough came out in my hands anyway.

that the most beautiful dough I still came out on hand.

Well, life is different, circumstances are different ... Maybe when all my children grow up and run away, I will also enjoy and bring bread to the ideal by hand kneading and sculpting small dumplings ... In the meantime, you need to move the rolls faster, once aesthetics engage in. You have to involve mechanical labor

You have to involve mechanical labor

So it all has to. Otherwise, why would we collect kitchen machines?)))

They reminded me here ... What to start somehow? For several years I haven't kneaded yeast with my hands, probably.))

Girls, what can you say about the Bosch 54a0 harvester, watched the video, like nothing .... and copes with the dough, and with the cream?
It’s good there that there are no special stages, only corollas, I don’t need anything else.
Like this

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[Ksyusha]

Ksyusha, I have the same, only a more advanced configuration, which you just do not need. How much dough do you want to knead?

Well, for dumplings, you can do it in two passes, 500 grams of flour each.
Butter / bread is also no more than 500 grams, such as charlotte or biscuit, so in general there are 3-4 eggs ...
The volumes are not large, that's why I sell First, he turned out to be big for me ...

Here is the word "dumplings" applied to any dough-mixing unit always puts me in a stupor.

People, are there really mechanisms that can knead such a dry, fifty percent or even less, dough until smooth? I charged Kenwood for the only time, looked at how it was twisted and how it abruptly hums with all its 1,500 watts and took it out, interfered with my hands. Thanks to Atlas with a motor - a few runs and now the dough is already silky. Since then, only with knives in a combine or custard by hand, it is not difficult to mix. I also tried it in Kenwood, I don't remember what I didn't like.

[Lena]

Lena, well, I knead in HP Panasonic, maybe not as cool as you wrote, but the dough roll rolls out well ...
And my First also kneads faster than Xn!
So I'm asking ...

with all its 1500 watts

What is your kenwood? Well, in the sense of the name, that small - I know.

I easily knead tough dough for pasta and dumplings, sometimes with a hook, or with a K-shaped one.

[Lena]

People, are there really mechanisms that can knead such a dry, fifty percent or even less, dough to smoothness?

Lena,

For dumplings and dumplings, I do a little different (but this dough is exclusively for dough rolling):
2 eggs + water = 250 ml
Salt - 1 tsp without slide
Rast. oil - 1 tbsp. the spoon
Flour (I have Makfa) - 500g

Perfectly mixes Kenwood 096, and cotton mixes ...

[Helen]

What is your kenwood? well, in the sense of the name, that small - I know

05 (skoko there) Well, the top of the small ones, like 010-050, but with the maximum configuration.

Helen, how ... humidity around fifty. I have to look, like I once finished the job and I really liked the dough after cooking. But to watch how the machine is tormented (and how the dough heats up at the same time) I have no nerves.

Okay, maybe I, like Rituslya, also miss something useful, next time I'll take another chance.

Lena, well, I'm mixing in HP Panasonic

Read - read. I did not try to make sales.
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* Helen, bummer .. I found my description of what was happening - the essence of the experiment was in a very long kneading for the proper development of gluten. And I did it ... with my hands. ((

the top of the small ones, type 010-050

I was just surprised at 1500W, because the small bowl is always 100-200 less. As for me, that's not the point, but 1400.

But watch the car suffer

From experience, and what I looked at in the internet, the car suffers when the speed is not the same and the amount.

In general, of course, it is interesting how everything is different for everyone.
Admin, for example, praised little Kenwood, 010 and 050 have the same hooks.

I knead in the KENWOOD CHEF TITANIUM KM-010 combine, it has a wonderful and strong kneading hook.

The topic about kneading bread is in my bookmarks, there are many pictures of stages, and everything is in a bowl of 4.6 liters.
Kneading bread dough (wheat and wheat-rye) in a combine and manually

[Sveta]

All of a sudden, I received very valuable information!

Sveta, it was not my idea. Luda had a publication on this topic in LJ. She made a comparative analysis of a dough mixed with a kneader in cold and warm water.

In general, of course, it's interesting how everyone is different.
Admin, for example, praised little Kenwood, 010 and 050 have the same hooks.

So ot.))) Today I made photos and videos. But I roll it up at the same time, there is no way to focus on processing and laying out. At 1 and 2 speeds (after autolysis), the dough, even after more than ten minutes (I set the countdown timer), was a third of a puddle at the bottom. And only when the speed increased to five did it get on the hook. I just want to ask "Is this the right speed?"
* it's good that I moved the mixer to a spacious countertop, although there was a place for him to run around)))

[Bijou]

Bijou, at the fifth speed?
Well then, Kenwood is cool, another car would fly into space, throwing the steps in turn, and Ken just danced.

It's like a YouTube crash test, where obscene vocabulary abounds.
What can I say, it's strong

What can I say, it's strong

Yes, Bijou is a noble crash tester. And not only for Kenwood, by the way.

I can't say that the mixer was straining too much - there is not so much dough and it really is not pasta!))) But should I have found out when the dough would be picked up from the bottom? Otherwise, the temperature from the cold water had already crawled by thirty degrees, and at the bottom there was a swamp ... Well, it would be liquid, but no - after removing this slush, I patted the oily tabletop for several minutes, it turned out that it was too steep for this method of mixing. That is, indeed, 65-66% gathered into a smooth detached lump under the hands rather quickly, but this does not mean that the films were present there.

Nothing, we will bring it to mind by folding, not the first time ...

Yes, Bijou is a noble crash tester.

Not only

[Miranda]

Miranda, I don't know something about myself?))

* ah, now she knocked over - indeed, she stepped - 1400 is written. But in fact it still seems to consume 300 watts, right? Or less? I wrote in the subject line, but now I forgot.))

[Bijou]

Helen, wow ... the humidity is around fifty. I have to look, like I once finished the job and I really liked the dough after cooking. But to watch how the machine is tormented (and how the dough heats up at the same time) I have no nerves.

Bijou, if you knead at the minimum, then the dough will be 25 degrees after kneading, 1 kg of dough will calmly knead. Algorithm, as for bread, initial kneading 5 min., 20 min. rest and the main batch for about 10 minutes.Excellent dough and nerves are in order, thanks to the minimum salary!

Algorithm, as for bread, initial kneading 5 min., 20 min. rest and the main batch for about 10 minutes. Excellent dough and nerves are in order, thanks to the minimum salary!

Girls, it all depends on the required volume and preferences ... for example, I removed the kitchen. harvester and rejoice Mixer-kneader First FA-5259-2

removed the kitchen. harvester

Where did you remove it, why did you remove it !?

[Elena]

Elena, well, I don’t know, somehow it didn’t fit, although everything seems to be fine. Now I knead more in HP or Firs.

Well, we are all different ... it is interesting to observe

I don’t know something about myself?))

Oooh ... how many things

I also look at this car. How does he handle a tough test? 800 W power is not very high, plastic dough blades, will they break during kneading? At Ozone there was a good promotion for this unit and in our city in the online store there is also an attractive price, but there are some questions about the internal elements. And I like it purely visually, there is a desire to buy it for kneading dough, although there is a Panasonic bread maker, but I try to save it purely for bread.

Girls, it all depends on the required volume and preferences ... for example, I removed the kitchen. harvester and I'm happy Mixer-kneader First FA-5259-2

I also look at this car. How does he handle a tough test? 800 W power is not very high, plastic dough blades, will they break during kneading? At Ozone there was a good promotion for this unit and in our city in the online store there is also an attractive price, but there are some questions about the internal elements. And I like it purely visually, there is a desire to buy it for kneading dough, although there is a Panasonic bread maker, but I try to save it purely for bread.

[Irina]

Irina, transfer to the topic, there you will be answered in detail. We are all different ... So far it suits me.
Mixer-kneader First FA-5259-2

... We are all different..

That's for sure, I was so happy with Frose (First toist), but for me it turned out to be large (I'm selling now) in volume, I don't bake in such quantities, but you can knead it twice on dumplings, now I will look for an alternative to Dr., but with less the volume of the bowl ...

All good! Accept the newbie. Tell me who knows what about this mixer GEMLUX GL-SM10GR. I did not find anything by searching, there is not much information on the internet either.

[Bans]

Tell me who knows what about this mixer GEMLUX GL-SM10GR.
I did not find anything by searching, there is not much information on the internet either.

Bans, look here, the truth is there is more about a smaller brother, but than rich https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=469296.0
Good luck!

look here,

Yes, I read everything there. I "identified" one owner, wrote to him. I'm waiting.
Thank you!

In general, we have the following: Gastrorag QF-EF723 - new to the player ru 11700, Kenwood KM800 - slightly second-hand, according to the hostess, "I stood in the closet all the time" judging by the photo - it is. 10000, Kenwood KM636 - from hands in a box the state of the new 14000, Kenwood kvc5000t - also from hands, also from the words of the owner "turned on 10 times", judging by the photo - true. 15000. Tell us about the prices acceptable? And in general, who thinks about these models? And in a bowl of 4.6 liters of Kenwood, how much by weight (flour) can you knead yeast dough?