Recommend a compact bread maker!

[What do you advise?]

My wife and I also decided to get a bread maker, but with a choice - fog. We are both dieters, besides, she prefers black and eats very little, and I am white and eat a lot.

Stoves with two buckets therefore disappear or black will be superfluous and white will not be enough. We don't count on guests - we live together and quietly.

We need something small to bake bread separately for me and for my wife. I would like, of course, to be both reliable and convenient.
What do you advise?

I looked through a lot here on other sites, but apart from the 255th pansonik I did not like anything at all. Maybe there is something else suitable for our case?

Thanks for the help!

I did it. that there are two bread makers in the house - LG-HB-156 JE and Moulinex OW 2000.
If you choose from these ovens, then I would recommend Mulinex. I liked her more. It has all the necessary programs, there are 12 of them. You can choose the weight of the baked bread, there is a 500 g loaf for your wife. And for the price it will suit you. In general, of course, buy HP. You can add different herbs, candied fruits to the bread, now you can buy different flours (I baked bread from buckwheat, rye, oatmeal and corn flour, I bought it freely in the supermarket) if you need to stick to a diet, this will greatly diversify your menu

Stoves with two buckets therefore disappear or black will be superfluous and white will not be enough.

I have HP Bork with 2 buckets, but only one is inserted into HP, and not 2 at once as you think. In a round one, I knead the dough and bake cakes, and in a rectangular one, bread.
Regarding the small size: I bake a Lola loaf, reducing the amount of products by 2 times, just the baking time is 45 minutes.
In my oven, you can program the baking modes manually, which is very important for me, because I often bake Ciabatu, Borodino, Pumpernickel and other breads for these breads, technical documentation has been developed, which indicates the time of kneading, proofing and baking, i.e. It is very convenient to bake them in a programmable oven. I think they also have diet breads. Also on some stoves there is no rye, Italian, French regime. They can be programmed here.
Many write that it is impossible to bake bread in a row, because the oven must be allowed to cool down. I baked successfully in a row.
I also successfully knead dough for pizza and dumplings, although they are not indicated in the mode. Although I do not urge anyone to do this, I just bought a stove to facilitate household chores, so I feel free to experiment with it.
Whatever HP you choose, it will still be a good buy.

It's strange.
Nowhere is this said. Did you manage to adapt so well, or is it a regular mode - 1 small bucket and a void in place of the second?

There are 2 buckets in Borok. They are interchangeable. You can bake in a square, or in a round one, if you wish.

We don't even have these borks for show.

Here are the top five leaders in popularity:
Unold Backmeister (68415) (Brotbackautomat)
Unold Backmeister (8695) (Brotbackautomat) / Test: Testnote: 1.9
Unold 68511 (Brotbackautomat)
Unold Backmeister (8650) (Brotbackautomat)
Panasonic SD-255W (Brotbackautomat) / Test: Bewertung: 89.7 / 100

Here are the top five test leaders:
Panasonic SD-255W (Brotbackautomat) / Test: Bewertung: 89.7 / 100
Unold Backmeister (8695) (Brotbackautomat) / Test: Testnote: 1.9
Bomann CB 584 (Brotbackautomat) Test: Testnote: 2.6
Kenwood BM 300 (Brotbackautomat) Test: Testnote: 2.6
AFK BM 2 (Brotbackautomat) / Test: Testnote: 2.7 18 Preise vergleichen

And Bork is not for sale at all.

Bork has not been on the market for a long time, so there are few reviews. Look at here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=3018.0 I do not understand why you are asking advice on choosing HP if you have already chosen the top five leaders. I am not campaigning to buy Bork, but only talking about its advantages, which you should pay attention to when choosing a stove. In my opinion, she has only one drawback - there is no dispenser, but I don’t need one, because I put more additives than would fit in a dispenser.

And Bork is not for sale at all.
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Sold in many online stores. I live in Saratov and it didn't stop me from buying a stove.

Bork - for sale.
The truth about the model I can’t say, I didn’t consider it, I just saw that all the modes are written in English on it - it seemed to me not convenient ... IMHO, and we have something -6 thousand with a penny.

Sold in many online stores. I live in Saratov and it didn't stop me from buying a stove.

I have 3 borders and 2000 km to Saratov. In our online stores, as I already wrote, they are not.

I don’t understand why you are asking advice on choosing HP if you have already chosen the top five leaders

This is not my choice. This is based on tests and reviews taken from a German site. I choose the oven "for myself", so I try to choose from the best what suits me best. For this I came.

How "strong" is a beginner - I can say - small - choose with different weights of buns, convenient - a controversial issue - everyone has their own definition of convenience, and reliable - if you have 3 borders and 200 km to Saratov. - then for sure you can choose the assembly not of the PRC - so that you do not turn the "screws" later. Before buying, I read the site - I was planning to buy Panasonic - I bought Moulinex - I was attracted by the simplicity of "management" - there were fewer "troubles" in the event of a breakdown and I'm happy! I can't quote - I forgot whose post on the forum - so the author does not get offended for plagiarism - choose what you like!

I would advise you to approach the choice of HP in a different way: browse the Internet, there are many sites with the possibility of comparison (put a tick next to the model you are interested in, and then see the table of comparative characteristics). it is very comfortable. But what you need to pay attention to is the following: size (as I understand it, 450/750/1000 g will suit you), rye bread (or whole grain) mode and HP power. it's still nice if the stove is with convection, but this is not so important. and by the way, the presence of a dispensary is also not so important, you can add additives with your hands. but when you decide on a couple or three models, then you can read the reviews on the forum and do not forget to look at the pictures, so that later it will be easier to find the model you are interested in in the store, but most importantly: be sure to go shopping and carefully study the available assortment, literally by touch!
good luck in choosing

This is not my choice. This is based on tests and reviews taken from a German site. I choose the oven "for myself", so I try to choose from the best what suits me best. For this I came.

Then they would first have posted their list, and then they would ask for advice exactly on your list. In addition to you, this thread will be read by those who are not 3 borders and not 2000 km to Saratov. Maybe additional information will help. I answer you with all my heart, I try to help, and you snap back. It's not beautiful somehow. You have to be kinder. I wish you good luck with your choice.

I answer you with all my heart, I try to help, and you snap back. It's not beautiful somehow. You have to be kinder.

Please indicate a word or phrase that you use as a nagging or unkind attitude. I'm ready to apologize right there if such a showdown inside the convoy is in the order of things.

I would advise you to approach the choice of HP in a different way: browse the Internet, there are many sites with the possibility of comparison (put a tick next to the model you are interested in, and then see the table of comparative characteristics). it is very comfortable.

I did this many times before opening judgment.

But you need to pay attention to this: size (as I understand it, 450/750/1000 g will suit you), rye bread (or whole grain) mode and HP power.

Found practically nothing about it. Descriptions are scanty to the point of impossibility. I went to the Unold website - 5 lines per item, no details. I opened the topic because I hoped to get advice from those who managed to use something, they have been found here for a long time and know the details about running models.
I see you are well versed in the issue can you advise sites where there are good descriptions and the ability to compare? I would be very grateful!

be sure to go shopping and carefully study the available assortment, literally by touch!
good luck in choosing

Today I went to three stores. In the most "electronic" - 4 models.Only 1 with two mixers with a large (for me) bucket. The sellers do not know any details.

[Kuklinar]

Kuklinar, found on a German site.
It seems exactly what you need ...

Thank you, I've been looking at her for a long time, but I still don't understand you can bake bread in one small bucket or only in two at once. Nowhere did I find this in the description of either the sellers or the manufacturer, or, unfortunately, through your link.

I'm in German, no boom boom, try to find a similar site for comparison, like the information is enough:

Thank you! I found a lot of information on Kenwood.
On others, unfortunately, there is a complete discrepancy. Everything that is presented there is absent from us and vice versa.

[Kuklinar]

Thank you, I've been looking at her for a long time, but I still don't understand you can bake bread in one small bucket or only in two at once. Nowhere did I find this in the description of either the sellers or the manufacturer, or, unfortunately, through your link.

Kuklinar, in it you can bake bread in a large bucket, or two different ones in a double bucket. If you need one more than the other, then half the dose lays down, for example. You can also bake one small bread, leaving the second bucket empty, it seems, they cannot be removed separately, but you need to check ...

I read somewhere that they cannot be separated.
And I'm not sure about the half portion in the veller. As far as I understood, this is impossible. It seems to me that it will not fit correctly and will burn when baking. Where did you get info from?

From practice, my own and the experience of others ...
How do we bake small, half breads in our buckets,
nothing burns and mixes up perfectly, the main thing is the correct flour / water ratio ...

we have recipes for 3 sizes of bread in the books for bread makers, take the smallest one and bake, nothing will burn, do not worry

we have recipes for 3 sizes of bread in the books for bread makers, take the smallest one and bake, nothing will burn, do not worry

But these are routine modes for three sizes. And if this is not provided, just take and halve the portion ...

So we already have people on the forum who successfully use this stove, see here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=4479.30... The halves of the bucket are one-piece, but this problem can be easily solved - remove the stirrer from one half, and knead and bake bread only in the second. So you will get a half-kilo manunechka. Much less?

So we already have people on the forum who successfully use this stove, see here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=4479.30.

Thanks, I followed this thread.

The halves of the bucket are one-piece, but this problem can be easily solved - remove the stirrer from one half, and knead and bake bread only in the second. So you will get a half-kilo manunechka. Much less?

Sorry, but I do not consider this use appropriate. I decided to abandon this model. Excessive consumption of electricity, uneven load on the drive ... Why? If there are units where the production of small breads is a regular mode.

True, I found only 2, and the slaughtered ones have one significant drawback, from my point of view:
Panasonic SD-255W - no window
Kenwood BM 350 - no dispenser
It remains to decide what is more important to me.

As a happy owner of Kenwood (unfortunately 256, not 350, but they don't have a lot of differences), I can express several advantages:
there is no heating mode, the kneading starts immediately (except for the "whole grain mode, there is half an hour of heating) - this is very convenient for controlling the kolobok, I know the process of the stove up to a minute;
the lid is flat, which allows you to store your own baked bread on it during the "downtime" of the oven;
there is a chrome-plated handle on the lid, on which you can hang a small kitchen cloth, and lift the lid for it, so as not to be afraid of getting burned;
the design is comparable to a multicooker, they look very beautiful together;
if we compare the price of Kenwood and Panasonic - Kenwood is cheaper
And it's all the same for you to choose: both of these stoves really differ in design and dispensary.Happy choice! I am sure you will love your oven after the first bread !!!

I can compare the taste of bread from these ovens, in Panasonic it is tastier. ... take it and do not hesitate, you will not regret

[Kuklinar]

... and both have one significant drawback, from my point of view:
Panasonic SD-255W - no window
Kenwood BM 350 - no dispenser
It remains to decide which is more important to me.

Kuklinar, lack of a window, rather a dignity, not a disadvantage.
On many bread makers, due to design, or production,
window is a source of heat loss during baking.
As a result, the top crust of the bread is lighter than the sides.
I had to fight this, see the topic ...
And you can see it by opening the stove lid, especially when kneading ...
Dispenser, not such a necessary thing for me, anyway.
I used it only a couple of times, all the time, I prefer supplements
manually pour, at the time that I want ...

lack of a window, rather a dignity, not a disadvantage.
On many bread makers, due to design, or production,
window is a source of heat loss during baking.
As a result, the top crust of the bread is lighter than the sides.
I had to fight this, see the topic ...
And you can see it by opening the stove lid, especially when kneading ...
Dispenser, not such a necessary thing for me, anyway.
I used it only a couple of times, all the time, I prefer supplements
manually pour, at the time that I want ...

I totally agree))) it's still hard to see through the window .. I always open the lid ..

Eh, I wanted so much with a window ... But it looks like the final decision will not be in his favor.

MANY THANKS TO ALL FOR THE HELP!

I totally agree))) it's still hard to see through the window .. I always open the lid ..

And I can see everything through the window ... and I really like that it is there ... It fogs up only in the first 5 minutes ... when the food heats up ... It can be wiped off or everything will go away by itself ...

And I always use it - you can see everything perfectly (I don't know how in other stoves, mine has a backlight), I don't open the lid. Very comfortably.
The crust turns out to be ruddy with a medium setting. I don't bake on the dark one, because I tried it once and it turned out to be too fried. So the same functions behave differently in different stoves.

Well. Again I doubted. Moreover, I just noticed that the Panasonic SD-255W does not have a programmable button. I think this is the right thing.
I ask owners of Panasonic SD-255W to answer, how do they get out of this situation?

[Kuklinar]

I can't really see anything in mine .. it's easier for me to lift the lid and touch the bun with my finger, but my mother could see it .. but her bread maker is different .. there the bucket is wider and lower, but mine is narrow and high. Maybe the light is falling incorrectly.
In general, this is not critical for me, I do not see a great need either in the window or in the dispenser.

Kuklinar, and what kind of programmable button?

This is a mode with which you can set your own program. The time of kneading, proofing, baking, heating as needed is set. Easy to program.

[kolynusha]

kolynusha, I don't think I would use this function if I had it .. I have enough automation))

[kinski]

kinski I use this mode more often than the main ones. But this is of course to each his own. At one time, when I was choosing which bread maker to buy, I wrote very extensively about the advantage of this function Alen DeLongi I found it very convenient.

[kolynusha]

kolynusha, maybe .. I will not argue .. but so far my baby suits me)) I have had it for more than a year and if there were any problems with bread, it was exclusively my fault))

Only now I realized that Panasonic SD-255W does not suit me at all due to the impossibility to set my own program
Due to fructose intolerance, I use only grape sugar, which always comes in the form of powder. Surely all processes will take different time.
Eh ...It is even strange how in such an expensive HP they did not provide for the possibility of self-programming at least 1 mode!

I do not think that the processes using grape sugar will be in any way particularly different from the usual ...
To be honest, I didn't make bread with fructose, but I changed sugar for honey, made it completely without sugar (but with the addition of dry or regular milk), made it with molasses - the results are quite decent.

Of course, everyone will praise their stove, because it is dear and familiar to him, but, perhaps, the lack of programming is the only minus of Panasonic. Complaints about the reliability of the oven and the quality of the product baked in it are very rare, which greatly influenced my choice two years ago. Standard programs are enough for any baking experiments. Alternatively, if you think bread should rise "longer" with grape sugar, you can use the "Diet Regimen". In it, the time for the "approach" is increased.

if you want a programmable stove then go for delongues - great stove!

[unpredictable]

if you think that bread should rise "longer" with grape sugar, you can use the "Diet Regimen"

I don’t know longer or faster. Grape sugar comes in the form of a powder, that is, it should work FASTER, but it is less sweet and, in order to maintain a normal taste, you need to put 2 times more, that is, it can work STRONGER, but how it works with yeast due to for chemical characteristics - unpredictable... And the overall result, and even more so, cannot be foreseen ...
I bet for myself on Panasonic cross.

if you want a programmable stove then go for delongues - great stove!

We do not have a large selection of them. I could not find one in which you can make a loaf of 500-600 gr. Do you know this?

[Kuklinar]

Kuklinar, in Panasonic you can bake bread without sugar at all. French recipe. 6 hours lasts, the bread is amazing.
I also replaced sugar with honey and molasses. And baked as usual. And it always turns out great. This I mean that the temperature regime in the oven is very smart, yeast works with and without sugar, I calmly change the amount of sugar in one direction or another, and I can add more and less, I do not need programmability for this. There are a lot of people on the forum with diet food, everyone can cope with the help of ordinary stoves.
Of course, if there was an opportunity to make the program yourself, it would be good, but even without this opportunity it is a wonderful oven. With this function, there are only two stoves on the Russian market, Bork and DeLonge 125.

[Kuklinar]

We do not have a large selection of them. I could not find one in which you can make a loaf of 500-600 gr. Do you know this?

Kuklinar, you're lost in three pines ...
Loaf 500-600 gr. any the bread maker can bake ...
What sugar, or not, does not matter, standard programs will be enough, but if you want programmable, the choice is very limited.
Panasonic, a good oven with guaranteed results, but other manufacturers' ovens bake well if they have good products, head and hands ...

Loaf 500-600 gr. any bread maker can bake ...

This is not the first time you have said this. I understand that this can be done. With a certain skill, it is possible to bake bread in a coffer. But I want to spend 100-150 euros not for experiments, but so that my wife can make homemade bread in two or three pokes without any problems.

This is not the first time you have said this. I understand that this can be done. With a certain skill, it is possible to bake bread in a coffer. But I want to spend 100-150 euros not for experiments, but so that my wife can make homemade bread in two or three pokes without any problems.

So buy a Panasonic SD-255 coffee maker and don’t tell the brains of people ...

So buy a Panasonic SD-255 coffee maker and don’t tell the brains of people ...

respect))))

[Kuklinar]

Kuklinar, You want your wife to bake bread without problems, but everyone here has already been confused, literally reject everything.Understand, we do not know what stoves you have, you write that there is a limited choice, I bought a stove with just two buckets from Germany, a wonderful stove, and he will bake a manunka for 400-500 g, and in another bucket you can have a lot (maybe not enough) put the dough, and there is a programmable button, and there is a window, what else you are missing, buy and bake. , otherwise you confuse yourself and people.

[Kenwood BM-150]

I really want a BAKERY. And the wife - not in any. She is especially against the panas 255, which I aimed at. Because of the size. In principle, I agree with her. The size of the kitchen does not allow. In total, I choose a COMPACT bread maker.

So far, applicants preparing the maximum loaf weight ~ 750 grams
(in brackets "volume" of stoves in cubic centimeters, for comparison panas - 280x370x330 - 34.1 cubic meters)
Kenwood BM-150 (24 * 28 * 30) (20.2 cc)
Binatone BM-1008 (dimensions not specified, but small, seen live)
LG HB-151 JE 33 × 35 × 23 (26.5 cc)
Binatone BM-1068 (dimensions not specified)
LG HB-155 CJ 39 32 23 (28.7 cc)
Daewoo DI-3207S (dimensions not shown, but the size of the loaf is 1 kg.)

The main question! Will the compactness of the stove affect the result? (about the importance of the accuracy of measuring the ingredients in the course)? Otherwise, if the stove I bought produces burnt and tasteless bread, I will be put to shame. I don’t want it

Thank you in advance.

[vitalsighn]

vitalsighn , from you listed - LG, I had 151 JE - a good model. The bread was delicious. And the jam was great! In my opinion, there is a lot of yeast in the recipes in Ski. It is necessary to subtract slightly.
Binaton will not advise. The 1008 does not have the ability to adjust the bread size and crust color. That is, it is small and very simple.

In general, the bakery is either Japanese, or Korean, or Kenwood.

And my kitchen is also small. But despite the difficulties, I have two bread machines. Panas 254, bought by the second, modestly lives in a room, on the floor near the cabinet

[vitalsighn]

vitalsighn , from you listed - LG, I had 151 JE - a good model. The bread was delicious.

Sounds like Panasonic bakes divinely at all? Hope they bake basic bread the same