Mams
Quote: vitalsighn

Sounds like Panasonic bakes divinely at all? Hope they bake basic bread the same

WHERE is in my text about Panasonic? I wrote about LG. And I can also repeat for those in the tank:

of you listed - LG, I had 151 JE - a good model. The bread was delicious. And the jam was great! In my opinion, there is a lot of yeast in the recipes in Ski. It is necessary to subtract slightly.
Binaton will not advise. The 1008 does not have the ability to adjust the bread size and crust color. That is, it is small and very simple.

In general, a bakery is either Japanese, or Korean, or Kenwood.

You asked about the models, I answered you about the models. If you have any more questions - ask, no need to distort and tease those who are answering you.
biscuit
Panasonic sits on Panasonic and drives Panasonic ...
Mams - keep it up
Admin

biscuit , can you explain why to run from topic to topic and engage in incitement about Panasonic ask you about it or not?

Why exacerbate the situation with something that does not exist in reality?

The more often you say this word Panasonic - the more often controversial situations will be created - do you want this?

I give you a warning! BREAK!
vitalsighn
Quote: Mams

WHERE is in my text about Panasonic? I wrote about LG. And I can also repeat for those in the tank:
You asked about the models, I answered you about the models. If you have any more questions - ask, no need to distort and tease those who are answering you.

I just saw your signature: "There was LG 151 JE, now - Panasonic SD 255". And you wrote that LG is a good model. I want to choose an excellent one for myself. For this I ask (for those in the infantry)
And now the question is, here is a sore subject - hack about manufacturers, or what? You took me for a provocateur? Not necessary. Whom and where I teased and what I twitched - I did not understand.

P / S / I bought an LG 155cj, and until the end of the program of the readiness of French bread, put on overnight, there is 1 minute left (everything while writing - she squeaked) if someone here thinks that a beginner can just stick his nose into the wort, then I strongly disagree with that.

Thank you. You've got very ... cute.

p / s / The bread did not work. Rather, how - you can eat it, it did not burn and ascend as it should, but there is no desire to eat it whole and at once. As it seemed to me, I shifted flour (at the rate of one glass of 240 ml. - 150 g of wheat), a lot of yeast (mams was right). Well, I also sin on old flour. In general, I am not at all upset, I expected from the first drink of something similar.

I love everyone, let's be friends.

p / p / s "Admin" is brilliant. Such work on bread and advice for beginners!
Mams
vitalsighn, I will explain to you why after LG there is another stove. When we bought a Ski, I was not sure that this was not another toy for a month. After 8 years of use, it was clear that it would be for a long time. But during this time something has changed. New more interesting models have appeared. I chose from several, it was a pity there was no Kenwood 450 at that time, perhaps I would have bought it. But I'm happy with my choice, in 5 years, there may be other options

As for your first failure. Have you already found the section on the basics of baking? Read carefully.

The main mistakes of novice bakers are that the yeast mixed with water too early, the flour was measured incorrectly, and the order of the laying was violated. In the case of ovens without temperature equalization - did you pour water from the refrigerator? Or warmed up first? Either the water was cold and the yeast simply did not start, or the water was overheated and the yeast died ... Water is needed about + 26-30 degrees. Perhaps the yeast was originally dead.This can be checked, pour a little yeast in a saucer, pour lukewarm water on top. If they bubble up in 10-15 minutes, then they are alive, if not, then alas, you need to change the yeast.
Pay attention to flour. There is a lot of it now, and it comes across very poor quality, and you can't determine it by sight, here you need to try.

So, good luck with your bread!
CV joint
Hello good people ... bakers
Honestly, I didn't even read half of the forum ... there is a lot of interesting drain here, I have a dilemma, for the money I have - 6 sput, I want to take the stove so that in a month or two my head does not hurt, and I do not feel sorry for the spent money...
a friend in March treated me to bread (in my opinion it was wheat ... though with nuts and raisins) I tried it and almost ate my fingers
to my question - what wonderful oven makes this bread, she smiled and said - come here, they will tell everyone here ...
for a long time I thought and suffered - I decided to buy too

Pliz, for 6 thousand, what you can take, so that it would also be delicious ... with raisins and nuts, and simple bread
I apologize if my question turns out to be amateurish ...
Anastasia
Quote: CV joint

Hello good people ... bakers
Honestly, I didn't even read half of the forum ... there is a lot of interesting drain here, I have a dilemma, for the money I have - 6 sput, I want to take the stove so that in a month or two my head does not hurt, and I do not feel sorry for the spent money...

Yes, almost any good stove fits into your price! Choose according to your taste! I am for Panasonic, because this stove has been tested by time for me. If I buy it again, then it. And so, the owners of any stoves share recipes with us, and then they reproduce these recipes also in a variety of stoves. So that with raisins, nuts and everything, everything and everything on the machine, see the stoves with a dispenser. And the main guarantee of a delicious bread is still well-selected and tested recipes!
CV joint
Quote: Anastasia

Yes, almost any good stove fits into your price! Choose according to your taste!

Thanks for the answer...
I like the design of the Kenwood 450 ..., Panasonic is some kind of "well, very plastic"
I do not know if it is possible to give links here - but where can Mona buy Ken450 in St. Petersburg ...
Or is it not a good choice?
Anastasia
Quote: CV joint

Thanks for the answer...
I like the design of the Kenwood 450 ..., Panasonic is some kind of "well, very plastic"
I do not know if it is possible to give links here - but where can Mona buy Ken450 in St. Petersburg ...
Or is it not a good choice?

You can give links, but not active ones. We have a lot of positive reviews about Kenwood! So if you like it, you can take it!

In addition to our forum, when choosing household appliances, I also use this 🔗 resource-look-maybe it will come in handy-reviews on many stoves are. Specifically for Kenwood here 🔗
Gypsy
The plastic view does not speak of quality, it is only design. The plastic has pluses; it does not heat up like metal \ if there are children in the house \.
CV joint
Quote: gypsy

The plastic has pluses ...

my personal experience with household kitchen appliances shows that plastic has much less pluses than minuses. But we drove

I went to read about the Kens ... It's a pity that they are all on sale via the Internet - there is nowhere to touch, feel with their pens. There are only 250 and 350 Kena in the shops ...
Gypsy
Quote: CV joint

my personal experience with household kitchen appliances shows that plastic has much less pluses than minuses.
I meant only bread makers. The plastic is also cheaper, as the rule for metal design takes more money. But if the price for you is no difference, then buy what you like more externally
fugaska
CV joint, I have Kenwood 256th - an excellent stove!
at the time of purchase, I wanted 350, but they were not available, so my husband bought the one that was in stock. now I want a 450th, she has programming, but I completely manage with my own. but he bribed me with kenwood design - well, it's sooooo convenient to put a bunch of useful things on the lid, including freshly baked bread
Nattal
Hello!
Tell me pliz, does anyone use such a little thing Ariete Pane Express Metal (Model: 125)?
Well, or just the advice of experienced bakers is needed.
Quote from the manufacturer's website: "The new compact bread maker is ideal for baking bread from 350 gr to 500 gr.
Power: 530watt
5 baking programs
2 loaf formats:
warm function to keep the bread hot for up to 60 min
Box size (LxDxH): 344x272x286
Product weight: 3.97 kg "
I am attracted by the possibility of baking very small buns and compactness. I have no experience in baking at all, so I myself cannot figure out how such a small bread machine can affect the quality.
Tell me, good people.
Gypsy
I think the size on the quality of bread should not affect in any way. The stove is sympathetic. Convenient for small families or toddlers.
Cubic
The only drawback of a small-volume oven, in my opinion, is the low yield of dough (pies, dumplings) on the corresponding program.

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