Kenwood Kitchen Machines

Anita, ordered in early spring, thought that nothing would be sent, because Kesha had been buying for a long time! The answer was received on October 23rd. It was written that the book will be sent on December 24, 2016. Therefore, today I was very surprised when the courier arrived!

[Irina]

Irina, and it came to me ... I will wait

the same courier brought me a recipe book today

Great, so all the girls will receive a book before the new year!

And they brought me a book. And I'm waiting for the induction

yet there are only two movements.

I didn't understand about the movements

[Miranda]

Miranda, well, 3D is the same three-dimensional coverage of space. And then there are only two. Along the circumference around the axis of the rim and along the circumference of the bowl. And Bosch also crawls onto the walls from time to time.))

And Bosch also crawls onto the walls from time to time.))

It seemed to me from the Boshe video that there was also a circle and around an axis.

[Miranda]

MirandaWell, Masha has both of them, so I just believed.
Although I did not really delve into Bosh, I looked at your video and it seemed to catch the differences.

Virgo found you a video where you can see how Bosch kneads dough
under the spoiler

part two

So the little hands stretch with a spatula to scrape off the edges.

[Lena]

Lena, see part two where the batter is kneaded.

so I just believed

So I believe

Added Thursday, 03 Nov 2016, 20:59

I think that Kesha's attachments are heavy, you can kill them, that it is dangerous to hang them at an angle, and technically more difficult.

And in Boch and small Kenes the hook / whisk is much lighter.

A courier came to me today with a book. Only I was not at home))) Now he will come on Monday. And my husband took my Kesha out of the service today. The motor was changed for him. I haven’t seen it yet, because I’m on vacation with the children in the village.

[shlyk_81]

shlyk_81sent to everyone

Let the updated Kesha not break anymore!

Lena, look at part two, where the batter is kneaded.

I'm talking about the latter. ))

But I’m ready to beat her because the second movement of her own hook immediately pulls the dough to the ceiling.

And yesterday the book came to me! Beautiful! : girl

[Bijou]

But I'm ready to nail my own because the second movement of my own hook immediately tightens the dough to the ceiling

Bijou, what is meant? If the dough reaches the bottom of the cup, then look at Admin in "Kneading the dough with a combine", her dough also rises to the bottom of the cup, but for a 6.7L bowl, the hook is longer than 4.6L, ​​but the dough also covers the entire shoulder, up to the limiter does not reach only because of the length. Wet dough doesn't climb that high. But the main thing is that the dough is kneaded perfectly, in the end - a slide of silk.

Added on Friday, 04 Nov 2016 1:24 pm

I'm talking about the second one

Bijou, but actually it's amazing how such a thin wire in the form of a hook kneads the dough. And why, then, are there such powerful and heavy hooks in the cache, and all the attachments? In my Premiere, the baits are twice as light, but the dough comes out super.

What do I mean?

In the sense of? That and I have that climbs up. The bottom is then mixed, and the top must be periodically ripped down at stops, because it hangs stupidly at the top of the blade. Humidity 66-68%, but in general I did not notice much difference and in different ways.

No, so that at least some circular migration of the dough along the hook is outlined, you need to turn on the high speed, but then you can't leave it unattended, so that you don't jump off the table. Well, the dough is heated even in my cold kitchen and cold water. It's lazy to bother with ice, especially since I began to practice long-term autolysis, all one will warm up.))

Why then are there such powerful and heavy hooks in the cache, and all the attachments?

Probably only to catch the imagination of potential buyers. For the form of the "old" hook is below any criticism.

[Bijou]

Bijou, autolysis for our flour is the very thing, just do the kneading - just heat the dough, but when the proteins absorb water and swell - that's it. I knead the dough with a moisture content of up to 72% with a hook - min. 5 on a minimum, autolysis 30-40 min., Main kneading 1 or 1.5 speed min. 10-15, the higher the humidity, the longer the kneading, I don’t remove anything from the hook, if the humidity is higher, then I knead with a keshka at the second speed and high-quality flour. Water from the bottom shelf of the refrigerator. Lena, maybe it's worth raising and lowering the hook? It is a pity that the new Titanium does not fit the hook. All that remains is to experiment with the height. Yes, Lena, one more thing, if bran or c / z flour are added to the dough, the kneading is shorter and more economical. Good luck and good bread!

Probably solely to catch the imagination of potential buyers

Bijou, this is to the very point, it struck me the most, so I have it from selumin, but finally bought from stainless steel)))

where to read about cold water, its significance for the test

Miranda , my main online kneading teachers are Luda, now she has new sites, but in the old ones she gave in detail about the development of gluten and about the temperature of the dough and Kirillov... Yes, and in the instructions for both Panasonic HP and Kenwood, cold water is recommended. In the summer, in the heat, I also put ice in cold water, for the whole night.

[Peter Push]

Peter Push, well, you can try raising-lowering, but theoretically I see no point, because then there would be a clear dependence on humidity. And the state that suits me, I did not notice at all. Even on fifty percent dumplings. But to clear my conscience I'll try, if I don't forget. It's too late today, I've already kneaded. But how many are those millimeters for maneuver ... (((

In general, I have a tooth burning hook to modernize, but it is necessary to have a reserve in the house. And then it will either brittle, or peel off, if nickel-plated. Although it looks like a stainless steel, but is reluctant to take risks.)) I would plow my husband to twist a new one from scrap materials.

[Bijou]

Bijou, what kind of car do you have? I forgot
I'll go read about the humidity, interesting

Chef who. 050.
Kirillov, yes, smart girl. I read it on this forum once, if I don't confuse it. Then he was just learning how to bake bread, and look how far he went!

[Bijou]

To plow my husband to twist a new one from scrap materials.

Bijou, there is something to think about and work with handles, if the hook were the ideal, who would change it both in induction and in new ones. Lena, look at the 10th batch on YouTube, there are many of them.

I'll go read about the humidity, interesting

Miranda, the moisture content of the dough in baking percentages, that is, the amount of water in relation to the amount of flour (flour is always 100%), immediately gives an idea of ​​what kind of dough it will behave - how it will behave and what kind of bread will turn out from it. 52-58% moisture is a very tough dough. Regular wheat bread has a moisture content of 59-65%. Above 70% is a very moist dough. An example would be ciabatta or Italian bread.
The figures quoted refer to wheat bread made from our regular flour with a protein content of 10.3%. Strong flour can absorb much more water, so you can find more than 80% moisture in bread recipes from foreign sources. To reproduce such bread on our flour, you will need to take less water.
Bijou, this problem haunts me. Still, a spiral hook is better -
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It is necessary to probe the soil on the amzons and ebeyah. And you need to start with a trip to the store, where there are both 010 and Titanium with a 4.6 liter bowl. We have to see if the new hook fits the 010. Maria wrote that our souffleys are suitable for the Titaniums. Everything must be looked at and estimated. We don't have Kenwood Patissier. Lena, did the ice cream suit suit you?

The spiral hook is better.

I have not seen such Kenwoods, completely retro design
But googling, I realized that the aunt in the video brags about the hook, because in the package there is another hook for this retro, and she took an additional spiral somewhere.
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Chef who. 050.

clear
Sorry to forget.

[Miranda]

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Oh thanks. Yes, the spiral dough presses to the bottom, kneading and folding, while mine (or ours?), On the contrary, lifts it from the bottom, slightly pressing it against the walls in the lower part.

Look at the shops, I agree. But first, the spouse must be puzzled - what if we have somewhere a piece of a stainless steel rod lying around?)) So we will instantly bend it in the right direction. Well, or at least we'll try.))

Interestingly, the aunt was kneading the dough in the video - I would have stopped as soon as the dough started to smear (wondering that the structure was lumpy), and she continued. Need to try.

Miranda,

[Miranda]

I have not seen such Kenwoods, completely retro design

Miranda yes, retro design and two-sided control like in kitschen, and many colors from white to black. 400W. And the metal spiral hook is the primary one, then they made a little white one. Attachment of attachments as in Clathronic. An interesting model, I liked it, that's just a planetary mixer and that's it. kMіkh, probably their descendants.

Added on Friday 04 Nov 2016 06:49 PM

what if we have somewhere a piece of stainless steel lying around?

Bijou, not bad, not bad, you can look wider - melt from stainless steel spoons ...

Added on Friday 04 Nov 2016 6:59 pm

Interestingly, the aunt was kneading the dough in the video - I would have stopped as soon as the dough started to smear (wondering that the structure was lumpy), and she continued. Need to try.

yes, Bijou, she is a literate baker, she has learned - all you need to do is knead the dough until the gluten develops well (ish, and made a test on the gluten window), which means to bring the dough to a state where it not only does not "smear", but and becomes smooth and lumpy. And the molding is correct, I'm already silent about the rattan proofing basket, a half-fortune dream.

Interestingly, the aunt kneaded the dough in the video - I would have stopped as soon as the dough started to smear

and I would
real interesting video

And the metal spiral hook is the primary one, then they made a little white one.

That is, this model had an earlier version with a spiral, and then Kenwood decided to make a white hook? A strange decision.

[Miranda]

real interesting video

Miranda, in 7 minutes with no pain I showed everything - with kneading (with a recipe) and molding and proofing, and a test for readiness for baking, and cuts and baking. Straight short course on baking.

Biju, not bad, not bad, you can look wider - melt from stainless steel spoons ...

No, at home only aluminum or silumin can be melted with difficulty, and even then where to get the form?

But I feel sorry for the spoons too.

yes, Bijou, she is a literate baker, she learned - all you need to do is knead the dough until the gluten develops well (ish, and I made a test on the gluten window),

So I, finally, through autolysis and came close to a pleasant test with a "window". Direct kneading in my Kenwood is something terrible.)) I got the best dough from a bread machine, not to mention kneading by hand.

Added on Friday 04 Nov 2016 7:25 pm

Oh, Miranda, I’m forgetting everything .. Yes, an ice maker has come!
Now I have another bowl, which I scratched the first time with a too low whisk.))

[Bijou]

Direct kneading in my Kenwood is something terrible.)) I got the best dough from a bread machine, not to mention hand kneading

Bijou, you can knead the dough correctly in any dough mixer, even a mixer with spirals, it all depends not on the brand of these, but on our actions. Yes, HP, I have Panasonic, it kneads well, but compared to Kenwood, it didn't stand here. There is no need to turn on high speeds at once, in the cache they are just crazy, for a regular wheat dough, 64-66% moisture percent, 1 speed is enough.Stir until smooth for a minute, - autolysis, flour should be after mixing with water (cold, because 20C is the ideal T for the FORMATION of gluten) and other ingredients until smooth for at least 30-40 minutes of rest, so that MINIMUM 28% of gluten is formed. And then the resulting gluten should be stretched and folded (wrapped) in the process of kneading, so that it turns into films with entrained air. - the main batch on the 1st, until it is smeared on the bottom, until the walls are clean. Make a test on the window, if it gives a strong translucent window, then the dough is satisfactorily kneaded and you can put it to ferment. If the dough does not set in a lump during the first 10 minutes of mixing, then there is too much water FOR GLUTEN FORMATION at this mixing speed. In this case, double hydrolysis is useful - we introduce part of the water after the formed gluten. The dough from wheat flour of the highest grade requires quite intensive and long kneading - about 15 minutes. It makes no sense to intensively knead the dough with a high content of rye flour, since there is practically no gluten framework.
Here we have weak flour, I bake from 1st grade + c / z. I make a roll - I add white malt 1% by weight of flour (or a little more c / z rye), a pinch of ascorbic acid, if available in pharmacies, we only have washers, but that's not that, there is not enough ascorbic acid.

Dear forum users! I also finally became the owner of KM Kenwood 96. I read you since the summer, at first I ordered a model for KU 060, I was tormented for a long time with the choice, I wanted induction, but I thought I could do without heating, and it was expensive for me, but now I tried to work with a simple one, I still bought an induction one. The store will bring it on Tuesday along with a discount card, a certificate for attending a master class. I have a question for you about the book (with recipes? Right?) That you are currently receiving. (the manager did not say anything about the book) How to get it? and if someone from St. Petersburg would like to go to a master class, please contact. I can't go.

[Bijou]

Oh, Miranda, I’m forgetting everything .. Yes, an ice maker has come!
Now I have another bowl, which I scratched the first time with a too low whisk.))

Bijou, I was interested, I'm glad for you! Only take care of your throat, not summer.

Posted on Friday 04 Nov 2016 08:31 PM

Also finally became the owner of KM Kenwood 96.

olgasereb, Congratulations!!! Great choice, it couldn't be better! Let it serve for a long time and only please you!

Thank you so much!!! Only now I have two of them: 060 and 96. Now I'm trying to attach the first one.

olgasereb - congratulations !! great choice! I myself became the owner of 096 not so long ago, though I bought it in May, and if I waited a bit, I would have saved a lot of money) But who knew that the price would go down like that ..
I also had 020, but sold it to a friend. And then I regretted - I have two daughters, a little more and they will go into an independent life, I had to leave Kesha for them, especially since he was just 2 years old, he was almost in perfect condition, he could have worked for a long, long time. But, as often happens with me, smart thoughts do not come immediately

Great choice, it couldn't be better!

I’m now being kicked and tickled, but the Boshiki are not bad kneaders.
I am for objectivity!

video
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Very interesting video !!

Ingushechka, thank you very much! Yes, here I am, too hastened.

I’m now being kicked and tickled, but the Boshiki are not bad kneaders.

Incidentally, for those who agree with Rita: now in Eldorado Bosh Mum 4880 for a third of the price (9 sput).
They have already started Black Friday.

Good day! Walking on topics and tossing between Bosch and Kenwood. In the same Eldorado I noticed a tempting offer "With a one-time purchase of any three Kenwood attachments, you will receive a Kenwood KM336 kitchen machine as a gift" Girls, what attachments would you recommend to take: a chopper, a citrus press, an ice cream maker, a meat grinder, a sifting and wiping attachment? Of course, my priority is outlined, but I would like to know: which of them are obviously stupid?

[lady inna]

lady inna, everyone chooses for themselves, for example, I don't need a citrus press, even for free. I really want a sieve-rub, we have a canning and seaming factory every summer with my parents. I personally do not need a mill for cereals - there is any exotic flour in the store, and someone wrote that in their area you will not find exoticism in the afternoon with fire.I lick my lips at the ice cream maker, but it's dear to me. If there is a separate good grinder, then probably not worth it. I will never trade a high-speed shredder and dough sheeter with a noodle cutter, the blender is good, the dough is for pancakes mmmm. I also liked the miniblender, which 4 cups for salad dressing, grind coffee, although some girls write that they don't need it. I love the cube. So my dad was chopping cabbage without me, so dad said that energy on the combine (the cache has such a nozzle-food processor) is easier than on a high-speed one, because cache is heavy, and energy is light and also powerful as an animal. By the way, the energy was supplied with a citrus press - for 20 years they had not used it. In the energy processor, I used to beat biscuit dough, but the volume of the bowl is small. In general, think what exactly you need

[Inna]

Inna,
of the listed chopper, meat grinder and attachment for sifting and wiping

[lady inna]

lady inna, this is a well-known action, it seems to be in other stores, last year it was in an expanded version - 3 and 6 attachments and different machines for this.

In this action, you need to pay attention to three aspects:

- the car itself
whether you need this particular car, whether you have enough power / class for your tasks, or is it better to take a car of a higher class, and bribe attachments over time

- nozzle compatibility
any attachments that are available participate in the action, but not all attachments will fit any machine, especially those related to the size of the bowl - an ice cream maker, a sieve. Consultants do not always prompt correctly, and in the last action, people often unknowingly bought inappropriate attachments, then sold them

- the nozzles themselves
someone in such a promotion has a tactic to take the cheapest and sell them later (I bought my mini-chopper from a girl who judged just that, taking several of them, some even agreed in advance, they say, who needs what), and from someone immediately needed. And here's what you need - well written above.

But if you still need an opinion for statistics, then my must have, that I have already bought or are going to buy, looks like this:
- mini chopper
- a soufflake (hardly available in the store where the promotion is)
- sieve-wipe
- add. bowl
- grits mill

With a successful coincidence of circumstances, from the series "suddenly got rich", I would not refuse:
- high-speed grater-cutting
- nozzle for curly pasta

I had a blender, a food processor, a cube cutter after buying a car, if it were not for it, I might also have added it to the list.

The rest (juicers, meat grinder, ice cream maker, rolling machines, etc.) do not interest me.

[Ketsal]

Ketsal, Olga, Thank you. The citrus press interests me solely as a factor in reducing the price of the machine itself. If we take the cheapest attachments, it will cost me 13t. R. There is a meat grinder - but this is an old Belarusian "Helper", which is still working. I think there is a reason to update it. Cutting into cubes scares off the size of the cubes themselves. I read that 9mm. Or am I wrong? Is the miniblender probably the chopper? There are also several containers included. As for the noodle cutter - I don’t know - we actively consume pasta made from hard varieties, but I did not try to encourage myself to make them on my own. There is also a device for rolling out dough sheets. Philo can be done with it? How do you like the car itself? Will it cope with any test, will the protein of one egg be mastered? It's just, well, sooo much has been written about the Kenwoods, something I'm confused in this sea of ​​information.

Posted Saturday 05 Nov 2016 11:13 AM

Miranda,
"In this action, you need to pay attention to three aspects:

- the car itself
whether you need this particular car, whether you have enough power / class for your tasks, or is it better to take a car of a higher class, and bribe attachments with time "

Since it was based on the initial choice in the face of the 600W BOSCH MUM4880, the 800W KENWOOD Classic Chef KM336 at an attractive price was taken as good luck. I am interested in it primarily as a kneader and planetary mixer. Do you think this is not the best option?

Posted on Saturday 05 Nov 2016 11:29 am

Miranda, but is it not enough to check the compatibility of attachments on the official website?

Added Saturday 05 Nov 2016 11:34 am

Inna,
of the listed chopper, meat grinder and attachment for sifting and wiping

Evgeniya, the grinder is especially interesting. How do you like it?

before that there was a moulinex a hundred years ago. I just made minced meat for manti. I am very pleased. Nothing gets stuck, everything grinds well. There were no problems at all.

[lady inna]

lady inna, before the kesha meat grinder, I had only Soviet manual space for me, although some girls scolded it, saying that with a reverse and free standing is better. I like. I roll the dough on a dough rolling machine on dumplings-manti and noodles, you need to understand that the width of the dough is a maximum of 12-14 centimeters, I will not say for sure not at home, some put overlapping strips, moisten them with water and roll them with a small rolling pin if a large layer is needed. Dumplings were made from Italian flour, boiled after surfacing for 10 minutes and the dough is still al-dante. I probably won't take a separate macaron-making machine for me, I have enough noodles, I took a set of dough sheeters and 2 cutters for 2mm and 4 or 6mm. The citrus attachment takes up a lot of space. I have a more powerful machine, the former 010 model, chef titanum, if possible, take a better titanum. one of the girls 060 sells for 34 thousand. And I probably would have taken for 6 liters. Not a single mixer beat whites like that. In mine there was just a juicer included in the kit, I never used it, but it takes up a lot of space, so think about a citrus press. The cube is so small for me. You must understand that not all cubes will be perfectly even, there will be many half-cubes, they are smaller. Dad chopped a whole raw pumpkin into cubes for freezing, Mom said too small. So see for yourself. and about the dough of the case of marshmallows according to the GOST recipe Tumanchik, everything from the bowl 4.6 wanted to run away. If there is a lot of dough and cool, take titanum060 at the flea market. And good luck to you

Isn't it enough to check the compatibility of the attachments on the official website?

Of course that's enough. But, if they do not have the necessary ones for your car, then you will have to take any, otherwise you will not be sold the car.

The cube is so small for me.

Yeah? And for me, so very large cubes. For salads, it is certainly not suitable, unless, for preparations for the winter. I don't use it, all the attachments are lying around just like rolling, I just like it, constantly in motion.

[vernisag]

vernisag, here's to the question about taste and color. I don't like boiled potatoes on a cube, maybe I don't cool them well, they stick together. In the summer I was so insolent a monkey that through a cube of onion, a cucumber and a perk, a tomato-chewed-I had to handles, herbs with oil and vinegar in a multi-chopper and a bowl of salad in a minute. It takes longer to assemble than to cut. Full freezer freezer -vegetable mixtures in a cube. I also want a souffle and a rub.

[lady inna]

Of course that's enough. But, if they do not have the necessary ones for your car, then you will have to take any, otherwise you will not be sold the car.

There, when ordering, the operator just checks the availability

Added Saturday 05 Nov 2016 01:35 PM

lady inna, before the kesha meat grinder, I had only Soviet manual space for me, although some girls scolded it, saying that with a reverse and free standing is better. I like. I roll the dough on a dough rolling machine on dumplings-manti and noodles, you need to understand that the width of the dough is a maximum of 12-14 centimeters, I will not say for sure not at home, some put overlapping strips, moisten them with water and roll them with a small rolling pin if a large layer is needed. Dumplings were made from Italian flour, boiled after surfacing for 10 minutes and the dough is still al-dante. I probably won't take a separate macaron-making machine for me, I have enough noodles, I took a set of dough sheeters and 2 cutters for 2mm and 4 or 6mm. The citrus attachment takes up a lot of space. I have a more powerful machine, the former 010 model, chef titanum, if possible, take a better titanum. one of the girls 060 sells for 34 thousand.And I probably would have taken 6 liters. Not a single mixer beat whites like that. In mine, I just had a juicer in the kit, I never used it, but it takes up a lot of space, so think about a citrus press. The cube is so small for me. You must understand that not all cubes will be perfectly even, there will be many half-cubes, they are smaller. Dad chopped a whole raw pumpkin into cubes for freezing, Mom said too small. So see for yourself. and about the dough of the case of marshmallows according to the gost recipe Tumanchik, everything from the bowl 4.6 wanted to run away. If there is a lot of dough and cool, take titanum060 at the flea market. And good luck to you

Thanks for the detailed answer. Looked at Titanum. Well, yes, 1500 versus 800 watts - this is probably significant. But the price bites ... I’m in my today's choice so far in 17 tons. I fit (chopper, sieve, meat grinder plus a car as a gift).