Panasonic Bread Makers Problems and Breakdowns

spinning quite easily. I think the problem is already in the engine.

[Rina]

Rina just in case you have it always on the network, turn it off for 40 minutes and turn it on again, maybe this controller has glitched so it will reset

[Rina]

Rina, I started the same way. At first, she kneaded a simple dough with difficulty, as if it was sooooo hard for her, and after two months smoke began to flow from her. Well, not quite smoke, but it smelled like a braid (I don't know what to call it, but in general, wires). So I had to part with her, because we have the nearest service center in St. Petersburg. Sadly, I sympathize.

Considering that the stove has been plowed for more than three years, it has every right to get sick. I will be interested in the service, there is even a relatively close distance somewhere, but I don't know if they take exactly bread makers. And even if I have to part with her, I will prefer Panasonic again for the same three or four years. In the meantime (in case of Panasonic refusal or at the time of its repair), you will have to finally start using the bakery part of the multi-cook

Considering that our stoves are so bad, yours worked for a long time! Mine was a little over two ... Now it's not an expensive moulinex and I don't regret taking it. And yours may still be treated if there is a service center. It's a pity to part with your beloved assistants, good luck!

at least, now I will definitely not load it with a heavy dough (there is now another assistant for this), but if it does not cope with bread, boom to treat ...

I haven't put bread yet, but today I decided to look at the mixer block in a bucket. Indeed, the stirrer began to turn with effort. Moreover, it seems that a little dough was pressed through the seals (or whatever they are called there) - there were black coal lumps on the underside. In general, I solved the issue of facilitating the turning of the shaft simply - I turned the bucket "up to the mountain with a dryg", dropped a couple of drops of the simplest household machine oil in the area of ​​the opening spring, twisted the shaft with my fingers, it became easier to turn. The procedure was repeated a couple more times so that the oil penetrated capillary into the mechanism. The oven clearly began to interfere better (the butter dough interfered, it is very viscous).

I often use a Panasonic 257 f-tsii dumplings.
Today I bought a ready-made pack (for bread) and put it on the standard mode. She stands and does not knead for exactly an hour on the timer.
Is it faulty?

everything found the reason.

Gentlemen, experts, tell me, please: HP Panasonic-255, service life 3.5 years. The coating is frayed on the protrusions of the bucket

I bought a new spare, but can I still use my own (for example, for kneading), or is it better to get rid of it right away?

[Agata]

Agata And I got rubbed at speed quality does not affect

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, now it is clear, let the bucket with "bald patches", it continues to serve, and the new one I will save until the global crisis.

I ask for help !!!
After a year of almost everyday baking, the oven began to stir slightly. There is no doubt about the correct percentage of ingredients. Without a test, it seems to be spinning strongly (but these are subjective feelings of the palm). She can hardly turn any dough !!! , and sometimes not at all able to crank the scapula. After disassembly - the belt is intact, does not turn, I sin on the engine (there is no smell of burnt winding), or on the engine control board. I would be grateful for all the advice !!!

[pinochio]

pinochio The problem is clearly in the bucket, or rather in the mixer unit. Symptoms are known, checked on the forum!

[pinochio]

pinochio The problem is clearly in the bucket, or rather in the mixer unit. Symptoms are well-known, checked on the forum!

And where to look ??? I sort of got into the wrong place with my problem. Poke your nose !!!!

[pinochio]

pinochio Yes, that's kind of discussed https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=445.460

Thank you! shoveled the whole branch. found similar problems on pages 8.9, 11.24. But my bucket shaft turns quite easily, especially with a stirrer. I will measure the resistance of the motor windings. Details of the motor board. But I strongly doubt that someone will take up rewinding in the event of a turn-to-turn (namely, such a verdict happens with a loss of power) Although there is no smell of burnt varnish, which usually happens, and visually (as far as you can see the winding) everything is fine. The stator motor, and most importantly, the riveted core. Rewinders OX HOW DO NOT LOVE them !!!
Question.
On 255_th, what motors, besides the family, are suitable (for fasteners, electrical parameters)?
Thanks for the help!

And I think, in the fourth year of my life, the Panasonic decided to get sick. After I tormented the stove with dough for chebureks (I tried to knead a tough dough on "dumplings"), the stove became somehow very difficult to stir ordinary bread dough ...

I haven't put bread yet, but today I decided to look at the mixer block in a bucket. Indeed, the stirrer began to turn with effort. Moreover, it seems that a little dough was pressed through the seals (or whatever they are called there) - there were black coal lumps on the underside. In general, I solved the issue of facilitating the turning of the shaft simply - I turned the bucket "up to the mountain with a dryg", dropped a couple of drops of the simplest household machine oil in the area of ​​the opening spring, twisted the shaft with my fingers, it became easier to turn. The procedure was repeated a couple more times so that the oil penetrated capillary into the mechanism. The oven clearly began to interfere better (the butter dough interfered, it is very viscous).

at least, now I will definitely not load it with a heavy dough (there is now another assistant for this), but if it does not cope with bread, boom to treat ...

after all, the problem is combined. The engine does not cope. You have to help a little, pour a few drops of oil on the kolobok, then it runs along the bucket with a mixer and has time to mix. I will ask the service center what they can do in this case. The problem is still implicit, and they are used to working with technology only when it is already so ...

Today I checked the resistance of the motor windings - he's fine. The resistance of the windings, according to the data found in the service instructions for sd-227, are the same. I checked almost all the elements of the motor board with a tester (without soldering) - everything seems to be normal. BUT TO APPROVE EXACTLY, a diagram and soldering of some elements of the diagram are still needed. I opened the relay (it is one on the board), the contacts are burnt, oxidized. I cleaned the contacts, collected them. I checked the batch in yeast mode - ...... the result is the same.
Maybe someone has an email. motor board diagram. I would like to finish this problem!

[pinochio]

pinochio The forum is only with. manual

SERVICE MENU BAKERY PANASONIC SD-255

I also used it. I think that a consequence, that is, some kind of malfunction in the circuit appears for ALL for the same reason - overload! I exclude tight rotation of the scapula axis. I think it happens, but for this you have to try hard to start the bucket of the stove. It's still not LG, everything is done right here. The motor is working properly, I'm 100% sure of it. We'll have to draw a schematic diagram from the board and then pick it up.

But my bucket shaft turns quite easily, especially with a stirrer.

The shaft with the spatula should rotate with the little finger of a woman's hand! That is practically effortless! IMHo it's in the bucket.

[sazalexter]

it should not only turn easily, but also have a power reserve if the mixer is turned sharply.

sazalexter, what kind of lubricant would you recommend for the agitator assembly? And how to lubricate so as not to disassemble the assembly?

[Rina]

Rina Shin Etsu G-501 80gr 900 rubles (for thermal films) Canon CK-0551-020 20gr 800 rubles (for thermal films) You can buy or ask for copying equipment at S / C.
In an extreme case, silicone fuser oil (Katun) (1000 ml / fl) is 500 rubles, but it is liquid. Silicone should be high temp white.
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PMS-200 Repair bucket Moulinex OW 5002
Without disassembling the shaft, only Katun or PMS-200 will do. But without disassembly it will be a half measure, the oil will flow out IMHO

then I will disassemble, only in a couple of weeks ...

Rina, wait for the stirrer assembly to disassemble! I sort of found a problem. In the week as there is time, I will drop into a radio store, if there is a result, I will definitely write.

Rina, wait for the stirrer assembly to disassemble! I sort of found a problem. In the week when there is time, I will drop into a radio store, if there is a result, I will definitely write.

What is out of order write !!!!!

that's why I'm not in a hurry. The problem is clearly not in the unit, but it already requires at least periodic lubrication. Considering that the bucket has worked for two years, I think it has the right.

Today I checked the resistance of the motor windings - I would like to finish this problem!

A similar problem was mentioned on the trunk. There the reason turned out to be in the starting capacitor of the engine.

A similar problem was mentioned on the trunk. There the reason turned out to be in the starting capacitor of the engine.

Is it here or what? 🔗 poke your nose if not difficult

[cylindrical]

A similar problem was mentioned on the trunk. There the reason turned out to be in the starting capacitor of the engine.

YES! they are! When the prince began to draw from the board. motor wiring diagram, and drew a diagram incl. windings, it immediately became clear. Only this cond. not quite starting, or rather not only starting, since the motor is asynchronous, then this cond. (on a printed circuit board, it is C6 with a capacity of 3 microfarads 450 V, square, the healthiest of all) is switched on constantly through the cond. providing a phase shift of 90% at start-up and participating in the work after start-up. In general, this is a disease of many motors, or rather mechanisms with such a motor connection. He, that is, cond. after some time of work, the insulation between the plates (the windings of the plates) dries up, since it is not made of paper, mica, etc. insulator, but from some kind of gel-like thing. Apparently its role in accelerating the demise of cond. played overloads of the motor with an unnecessarily thick dough, etc., which in turn caused a greater current through it. The store is exactly the same by email. found parameters, but the size is different, he cylindrical... I am a corps cond. glued to the board with liquid nails and the casing closed perfectly.
In general, now everything is working as it should, there is enough power for any dough without problems.

Is it here or what?

Right here 🔗 answer, and the problem statement is above.

The store is exactly the same by email. I found the parameters, but the size is different, it is cylindrical. I am corps cond. I glued it to the board with liquid nails and the casing closed perfectly.
In general, now everything is working as it should, there is enough power for any dough without problems.

so what, now I have to drag my HP to you in the Crimea?

[pinochio]

pinochio If it is not difficult, indicate the factory marking of the conductor and (or) a photo with the marking in order to know the culprit in the "face". Yes, you cannot replace it with an electrolytic one, even if it is non-polar. Will die and very quickly. IMHO.
3 microfarads * 450v is most likely better on paper type MBGO or even better MBGCH



Rina Look for a master in your home who will take it, you just need to explain the essence of the matter. Maybe there is one in the TV studio or in a service for repairing bread makers

[pinochio]

yes it will be necessary ... today the dough was barely kneaded for bread, the day before yesterday there was a loaf with a flat roof, such a soft dough had to be made.
Nothing, in a couple of weeks I will be a little freer in movement (dreams, dreams), I will go to the workshops personally to talk to the masters. On the phone they can and send to hell

pinochio just during this time will check how the HP will work

[Rina]

Rina Here is an instruction for disassembling the device for you, taken from here
SERVICE INSTRUCTIONS FOR PANASONIC SD-207 AUTOMATIC BREAD Maker

Poul Answer # 43 23 Nov.2010, 11:04 "

Lift the cover, unscrew 5 screws.
You unscrew the two screws on the back, on the power cord.
Carefully (I used an unnecessary plastic card) you break off the entire upper part of the bread machine in a circle. It is fixed with latches.
Gently slide the unfastened upper part back a little, you see two trains. Both are gently undocked from the bottom board.
You take off the top.
You put the stove on one side, unscrew 4 screws (legs) Take out the whole interior of the stove. Caution wire! (just, beforehand, you push it inside the oven)
All disassembly!
Shl some masters to whom you contact may fit

Lift the cover, unscrew 5 screws.

In this case, they do not need to be unscrewed.

Here he is : And this is he and his analogue (the older brother is still Soviet-made):

Sovetsky didn’t play, because it’s not known what quality he is, there is no place for him, and he will be a hundred years old at lunchtime. Every decent radio store always has such cond. , because they are in demand, so they are carried. Yes!, I forgot to write in the previous message, when measuring the voltage on the windings (with the old cond) at the motor connection connector. , on wires white - syn. was 220 century. on white - red-175v. (This winding is connected through the cond.) After replacing the cond. respectively - 220 V. and 245v. That is, the motor worked at a third of its power weaker. And this is very good. lot! Now she's spinning the batch as it should be (the table is already shaking).

... Rina, in Kiev, probably 20 thousand, if not more, there are masters who in 20 minutes. solder this capacitor. Only necessary from the top open. 5 self-tapping screws, remove the top front panel (with an LCD indicator, buttons and brains), carefully remove the cable and turn it off. dispenser solenoid connector. It is more convenient, of course, not to be lazy and open. even from the bottom there are 4 legs and 2 self-tapping power cord screws, then the whole stove will be in full view and access to the motor board, and especially to the self-tapping screw that holds its cover, will be great.

It is enough to unscrew four bolts in the legs and two near the cord. The bottom "trough" can be easily removed, the latches are only along the front wall under the panel.

It is enough to unscrew four bolts in the legs and two near the cord. The bottom "trough" can be easily removed, the latches are only along the front wall under the panel.

Then it is inconvenient to remove, and especially to insert the train back. I think it's easier to open. a few extra self-tapping screws than getting on a new train, or repairing an old one if its track breaks. Well, it’s like little things in life that take away from her only two minutes.

Can you please tell me, when the thermal sensor breaks, does the bread turn out equally overcooked on all selected colors or not?
The last week, something strange has happened, I choose a medium crust, it turns out dark, I choose a light one, it turns out medium. The stove is 1.5 years old, really broke.

[Katena]

Katena Try to "reset" HP by removing it from the socket for 40 minutes, they say it helps.

I always disconnect the stove from the network after it finishes working
the third bread already turns out like this
I will try to bake according to a recipe from a bread machine and compare with an old photo

[Rina]

Then it is inconvenient to remove, and especially to insert the train back. I think it's easier to open. a few extra self-tapping screws than getting on a new train, or repairing an old one if its track breaks. Well, it’s like little things in life that take away from her only two minutes.

I have a bad idea. The train is very long there. We calmly take out the board and pull it out easily. Reassemble in reverse order. Panasonic can be used as an example for other manufacturers as an example of manufacturability and maintainability. They don't save where they don't need to. And unnecessary disassembly of the stove, especially for an unprepared user, threatens a much more real problem of "extra details". No offense, purely IMHO.

For a way to raise the moment on the shaft - a separate salvation! I will dig in this direction. Rina, take a capacitor on you, if what?

[Rina]

Rina, take a capacitor on you, if what?

I'll think about it

Good day!
Panasonic SD 257, the end-of-cycle beep stopped working in the stove ...
There will be advice, I will be glad!

At 2502, for some reason, the yeast dispensary stopped closing and they immediately spill out. Who had this?

It was the same. After the third use, the yeast dispensary stopped closing, attempts to close it forcibly failed.
It was cured like that. We unscrew 5 self-tapping screws from the cover, carefully peel off the latches in a circle, remove the metal plate. The rod is jammed, which is attached to the self-tapping screw (the white rubber boss does not match the hole). We unscrew the self-tapping screw and, holding the rod in our hands like candy, twist it a little along the axis (maximum 5-10 degrees), put the rod in place, check it several times by clicking the rod (the rubber boss should easily enter the hole on the lid). Putting everything back together and forgetting about the problem.

I bake on the timer, and began to wake up from the fact that Panas, during the batch, knocks with a frequency of about 2 times a second, and loudly. It turns out continuous knocking throughout the batch.

I have just specially set to bake bread, and began to check what could cause such a knock. I have not determined it. The bucket sits tightly, has held the handle of the bucket - not she knocks. For some reason, it seems that the sound comes from where the scapula sits.

Maybe someone knows what it could be?

[Qween]

Qween Agitator assembly in bucket, unlikely. Most likely stirrer assembly drive (bearing or pulley)

[sazalexter]

sazalexter , what can this be fraught with?