Panasonic Bread Makers Problems and Breakdowns

[Vika]

Vika, also congratulations on your purchase!

[Natalia]

Natalia, movies .. who would have thought ... and in the leaflet with the "menu" somehow forgotten about the English language ..
Began frantically looking in the booklet, there English is in place!
In general, the 7th program is French, called Pain crouté in French, that is, crunchy.
A line above the netherl language and everything is clear there, but especially gifted ones did not think to look there
Girls. one more question (I also don't see it in the instructions) = first time. what should be done there so that the factory grease burns out? to put on Baking?

Vic, catch the congratulations
I, of course, do not have Panas, I only dream, but on mine, for example, it says so: rinse a bucket, a spatula with warm soapy water, wipe the oven inside, then put it on baking for 10 minutes, then cool, rinse / wipe again and you can use it already ... But maybe in Panas it is different

[Saba]

SabaThank you very much, Sabochka! Well, I did and the first bread is already in the process.

[Vika]

Vika, Move to another topic

Bread makers Panasonic SD-2500, SD-2501, SD-2502 (3)

Show us your "firstborn" there

Does Panasonic have problems and breakdowns ?! I don't know, I haven't heard))

[Lebedeffa]

Lebedeffa, read this thread and find out

Good evening!
Tell me please. I just bought a panasonic 2512 bread maker. And I noticed the left-right backlash of the top cover. Backlash by about half a centimeter. Is this normal, or go to the store to change?

[igorkud90]

igorkud90, OK-OK! Place bread and make your loved ones happy!

Do not. The lids are not critical, they close tightly. I have 2500 and I'm not complaining. By the way, do not be alarmed by the backlash on the scapula axis. It should be so. This backlash is even patented - it makes the engine easier to operate. Good luck to you!

[sazalexter]

sazalexter,
And where in St. Petersburg the bucket was changed, and in general, the repair of x / p can be repaired, do not tell me?

[tati-ana]

tati-ana, Bought in this 🔗 they also have HP repairs, something here 🔗

[8 years]

Having worked out 8 years, after a huge load, the SD-255 HP broke down, the ADE97A107 bucket drive collapsed
ordered, I'm waiting for delivery. By the way, the same plastic knot about which they talk has recently been sold, forgetting to say that the design of the knot has not changed at least since the SD-200, and this is somewhere since the end of the 80s. Again the unit is specially made of carbolite plastic, it plays the role of a “foreseen break” unit, and should break when overloaded.

The bread maker has worked for eight years! ABOUT! Workaholic! Panasonic is great!

At the end of November, the bucket drive also broke down. A detail in the service has been waiting for a month. The price of a part with repair is 1700. Before the New Year we received our stove. Miss you! By the way, the stove is almost 7 years old.

Hello! I would be grateful if someone could tell you why the Panasonic SD-2501 can be "cut down" during the baking process, about 40 minutes before the end of the process?

"... 40 minutes before the end of the process ..." is the start time of the baking itself

Or the logic is not working correctly (solution-firmware)
Or the thermo-sensors are faulty. Overheating occurs at which the thermal limiter (KSD - thermal relay) is triggered. (solution-replacement)
Contact the service center.

Thank you, I also came to the conclusion that this is a sensor. Dismantled, there all the insulation dried up and crumbled. I think it makes no sense to cover it with ordinary thermal paste, I ordered a sensor assembly.

I agree with you. Do not throw away the old one.

I put it in a bag for now.

Replaced the bucket drive ADE97A107, was surprised by the lack of wear on the bronze-graphite bearings in the ADA25-137 mount and the drive shaft itself. I used Dow Corning Molykote HP-300 grease I could not find better.

Hello everybody!

the bucket drive ADE97A107 collapsed

The other day we were befallen with the same trouble ...

Replaced ADE97A107 bucket drive

Very interesting! How difficult is it? Maybe tell me how to do this? Then we will buy this part, we will repair the bread maker ourselves, and it will still serve us.Repair in the service will cost 2100. The part itself, if ordered on the Internet, is about 1400. Help me please.

[Anna-konda]

I used Dow Corning Molykote HP-300 grease I could not find better.

If it's not difficult to throw it in a personal where you bought it, otherwise the masters told me Thermal grease HP-300 produced by Molykote has long been removed from production. The manufacturer recommends using the HP-870 instead. There the price is wild just a tube of 100 grams. The price is 155 bucks.

Added Thursday, 09 Feb 2017 05:18

Anna-konda here is the video "DIY Bread Maker Repair"

[prubul]

prubul, thank you very much!

[prubul]

prubulThis lubricant has not been discontinued; it is now produced by Dow Corning

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you can buy in small packaging here (trusted stores)

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(did not take here)

You can try to contact a local s / c for the repair of copiers-printers, order from them or buy from a master 2-3 grams for a couple of bottles of beer

[sazalexter]

sazalexter s Alexander thank you very much !!!

Added Thursday 09 Feb 2017 09:56

Anna-konda Glad if he helps and he did everything right there, although according to the video from YouTube, my husband and I repaired the vacuum cleaner, otherwise it would be in the trash. The repair was estimated at 6 thousand with a spare part at a vacuum cleaner price of 4 thousand !!!

The bread maker has worked for eight years! ABOUT! Workaholic! Panasonic is great!

my 255th is still working. We bought it immediately after moving to a new apartment, which means in 2008. Then I registered for the first time on HP))
Really, this is some kind of perfection, not a bread maker))
True, I rarely use it for baking, once a month or two, now it serves as a kneader. But almost every other day.

Interestingly, are the new Panasonic models as successful?

Here is another video there for a detailed disassembly, only the model is different, but the principle is the same. Should I ask Alexander, did he make it out from above or as in the first video below?

[prubul]

prubulas in the first video below.

Thank you, Alexander!!!

Added on Friday 10 Feb 2017 02:40 AM

[engine]

Reading the topic Problems and breakdowns of bread makers Panasonic drew attention to the fact that almost never engine in these bread makers does not fail. Bravo Panasonic! Really reliable technique compared to some others. But there are always exceptions.
So, I got into my hands initially not working Panasonic 2501. It had a problem, it did not knead the dough. Since I got the bread maker inexpensively (for spare parts for my 2500), I decided by all means to find out the cause of the breakdown.
Step one Initial check. The display worked, so I turned on the bread maker in the 19 "Pelmeni" mode. In this mode, the engine should immediately start kneading the dough. The answer is silence. Then I switched on mode 1 “Basic”, and waited until the stage {standing} was replaced {mixing} on the electronic board and further.
Silence again. But the scoreboard worked correctly, the TEN was ticking and it was warm inside when the lid was opened. Therefore, the control board and heating element were most likely in order.
Step two Check in diagnostic mode. To do this, you need to press buttons in a certain combination. These combinations are indicated in the service manual. It turned out to be difficult to find, since the links on the forum were invalid. A search on the Internet yielded results, but it was necessary to pay money and, from my point of view, a lot. Still, I managed to find a site where I downloaded the service manual for free.
I clamp simultaneously Stop + Crust Color + Menu. If all possible symbols are shown on the display, then you entered the diagnostic mode. I checked all possible combinations. As a result, when in the diagnostic mode I press the 'crust color' button, the dispenser is triggered, and the engine is silent.
Step three. We disassemble the bread maker. There is enough information how to do this. I examine board B (board A is under the display), every detail for visible damage. I check all the connectors. Visually everything is fine. It's good that I have an electrician friend. On page 38 in the service manual, he looks at a schematic diagram, calls the engine (three wires go from the connector on the board to it) and comes to a preliminary conclusion - either the winding is broken, or, most interestingly, the thermal fuse has burned out. The white wire did not ring. The diagram shows that the TP is inside the engine. We remove the motor from the case. And ... we see that the engine is not collapsible. It is located in a metal casing, fastened not by bolts, but by rivets.It is clear that such a design is absolutely reliable, it will never become loose. But why a fuse that protects the engine from combustion if it cannot be replaced? And where is he? Nothing is visible visually. We already thought there was a mistake on the diagram. But realizing that the Japanese may well have a different logic, they decided to proceed further.
Step four. We disassemble the engine. To do this, take a drill and drill four press fittings. After that, I had to work with a hammer and improvised means to knock out the bushings from the holes. Special care is needed here not to damage the thin copper wires of the winding. And now the cover is removed. From the entry of the wires into the engine, gradually one by one, and again carefully, we cut the light thread, which with a pattern (like on a sausage)) pulls the wires together. And indeed, soon we find a fusible TP on a white wire. It is noticeable that on one side its tip was burnt. We recognize the SF169E marking at 172 degrees and run to the electronics store. There was no such thing, it was similar. The main thing is to fit the temperature. Worth 0.4S. For comparison, the new engine is just under 100S. Next, we take the soldering iron, we solder the old TP, we solder the new one. Two minutes of time. We ring the motor again. Order! Calls.




And here is the hero of the occasion

Step five. Assembling the engine. We cover everything as it was. We tie the winding with a new thread, in the part where we cut it. We put on the casing in the same way as it was (we made notes in advance), and fasten all four bolts through the free centering holes (they are located next to the holes in which the bushings for fastening the motor to the body were located). Now how to fix the motor to the housing, because the bushings are no longer suitable. For this, bolts were used with the usual 6x50, 6x45 can be used. We insert the bolts into the holes of the metal frame on which the engine is mounted. The hats will be hidden. We securely fasten the bolts in the frame with a nut. Next, screw two more nuts onto the bolt. One of them is to adjust the height at which the engine should be suspended. We use a drilled sleeve for measuring. The second nut will act as a lock nut. Now we bait the engine onto the screwed-in bolts and tighten the nuts. Engine assembly and frame are at original height.
Now it remains to collect the rest. Service manual to help. Although we did well without it.
Bottom line: the engine is running and the bread maker bakes wonderful bread.
Conclusion: if suddenly the motor of your bread machine stops working, do not give up. It is quite possible to fix it, since it is not the winding that burns, but the thermal fuse.

I hope you left the fuse OUTSIDE the engine housing when assembling? To me, this Japanese logic, like that of women, is completely incomprehensible to me.
And the most important thing. The reason why the TP burned out was found out? I didn’t agree with it in your text or I missed it.

[during kneading]

Did you leave the fuse OUTSIDE the motor housing when assembling?

No. We soldered it in the same place where the old one was. Will explain. If it burns out again, the engine can already be easily disassembled by unscrewing a few nuts. In addition, the fuse, most likely, should be in close proximity to the motor windings, it is not for nothing that the Japanese placed it like this

The reason why the TP burned out was found out?

The previous owner did not tell me the exact reason. But it can only be one - engine overheating due to excessive load. For example, in the modes of rye bread, dumplings or when the bun is too tight. Structurally, the tension of the pulley (belt) between the motor and the drive that turns the blade is not adjustable. And the pulley is very tight, so it most likely does not slip under loads, which would facilitate the engine's work (but increase the wear of the pulley). So if during kneading you will smell a foreign smell, emit it or a slipping pulley or a straining motor

I am quite satisfied with the comprehensive answer! Successful breads and trouble-free operation of the bread machine!

[avesco]

avesco This is work !!! Thank you very much for teaching us !!! There is very little information on electronics.Now we have a chance if something happens

Good day.
I bought SD-ZB2512KTS from Panasonic half a year ago. It can be baked once a week, sometimes once every two weeks ... Only bread was baked, since I didn't like the cake in it - it turned out to be a hard, fried brick.
I liked the French bread most of all on the program. It always turned out to be lush, delicious. Recently, he stopped working at all ... began to sin on the components. I returned all the original ingredients, took the fresh yeast from the opened pack of a good period, the flour that I always used and with which the bread was fluffy.
I have already changed the time for baking - I put it on at night (I thought maybe there was little tension in the evening, our light is really dim) - no, the bread turned out again with a fallen top, with a hard thick crust.
It tastes edible, but not what it was at the beginning - fluffy, airy.
Now I set "normal" to the minimum size and a light crust. I'll see what happens, maybe it's the program?
The temperature sensor is clean - I use cotton carefully
What do you experienced baker users think? Road to SC? Or even experiment with flour, modes? Can I take flour from another manufacturer?

As for yeast, I can say firmly: take it from another store. A batch of yeast can be imported, the production technology of which has been violated. All ended up in one store (at best). The same can be true with flour. When you sifted flour, did it curl up into balls? This is not a marriage, but moisture has accumulated. I open this and dry it by the battery or I don't pay attention. The main thing for me is that the bread is tasty. And what kind of roof he has at the same time is the tenth thing for me. Well, no one canceled the drafts and humidity in the room. I have not yet found a reason to contact the SC. Good luck to you!

When sifting flour, there are balls, but the fact is that it was from such flour that normal bread was obtained, the other, more crumbly and dry, gave a worse result, although you are probably right - there were fewer balls in the last pack (although the manufacturer is the same) Thank you for your support- I will experiment

Everything will work out for you!

Compatriots from St. Petersburg! Can you recommend a reliable Panasonic service center? My HP 257 began to "bake" Even on a light crust, size M, simple bread turns out to be too ruddy Somewhere in this thread I read that this is because of a temperature sensor? So you need to change it? The sensor itself is not smeared with anything

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, Sasha, help your countrywoman!

[Jackdaw-Crow]

Jackdaw-Crow, 🔗

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, , Thank you!

[8 years]

Having worked out 8 years, after a huge load, the SD-255 HP broke down, the ADE97A107 bucket drive collapsed
ordered, I'm waiting for delivery. By the way, the same plastic knot about which they have been selling lately, forgetting to say that the design of the knot has not changed at least since the SD-200, and this has been somewhere since the late 80s. Again, the knot is specially made of carbolite plastic, plays the role of a "foreseen break" unit, should break when overloaded.

Well, here I have suffered the same fate. True, in my case, the stove worked for exactly 5 years: baking bread every 2 days, kneading dumplings every 2 weeks. And today this bucket drive burst while kneading dumplings. I'm waiting for the detail. I'm thinking how to bake bread for now ...

[Playful]

Playful, Oksana, after the repair, the HP will serve for a very long time, good luck!

Good evening! Help with advice. The blade drive shaft is broken, or rather the plug on which the kneading blade is put on. Dad made a new one, or rather this whole detail, but now the bucket is leaking. What to do? Why it happens? Maybe you need to buy this part and it will solve the bucket leak problem? Thank you.

[Razbezhkina]

Razbezhkina, let dad look at this page and I think he will solve this problem.

Replacing the gland of a bucket of a Panasonic SD-255 bread machine.

Good luck to you!

Good afternoon. Just registered and immediately a question. I really don't know where to ask it.
I have a 2510 bread maker on program 13 that bakes not the prescribed 60 minutes, but 30 minutes. That is, there are 60 minutes in the book, and when I put it, it was highlighted for 30 minutes.
The cupcake is naturally raw.She put it in the oven to bake.
Can anyone suggest what the problem is?

So it was necessary to increase the baking time.

[ОlgaVish]

ОlgaVish, Anchic, -right, - yeah, you poke your finger, and it, time, increases ...