Nastenka
I will immediately clarify important:
- a good kneading of just yeast-free dough (on dumplings ...)
- with yeast, as I understand it, everyone gets along (or am I wrong?)
- size up to 1000g (desirable, but not essential) just eat bread in moderation
- we love black bread (i.e., to bake rye bread)
- m. b. diet bread
- muffins and other sweets are welcome (as many as 2 children)
the forms are not important, since a good oven

price up to 5000r.
Celestine
Take a closer look at Kenwood. Go to Temka and read on them. With a mulka is how lucky. Unfortunately, problems often arise, although the oven is wonderful.
Nastenka
Which model do you recommend?
Celestine
Quote: Nastenka

Which model do you recommend?

https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=51908.0

Look here, I like 450, but that's my opinion. To choose for you
Nastenka
kenwood 450 is a little expensive for me ...

I would like 5000r. meet
Celestine
Quote: Nastenka

kenwood 450 is a little expensive for me ...

I would like 5000r. meet

I don’t know the prices, I haven’t looked for a long time. Nothing too))
Nastenka
that is, do you prefer kenwood?

are the Phillips bad?
sazalexter
DenRassk
I will not be original and will advise the HP I bought myself - Supra BM355.
Me and my half are very happy.
Check out the topic in this section ...
Nastenka
how do you like the build quality?
interferes noisily?
rye bread kneading?

and the steep dough?
Sens
under the avatar you do not have the city where you are from ... and there is no avatar either ...
Try to buy in an online store, with delivery to your city .. You buy what you really want and like, and for the money it will be more profitable than buying what is available in your city
Supra is unlikely to last 5 years ...
Nastenka
I will improve now

just registered yesterday

I'm from Sochi
from the Internet, the complexity of the repair and exchange processes is frightening (God forbid, of course) ...
Sens
well, you must ... we are fellow countrymen ...
you know, I advise you to buy in Sochi only if you have your own hotel

example: now I want to buy a Phillips air fryer, it is only in the M-video for 7999 rubles. (although the action will be 6999 rubles). In Moscow it costs 5.250, in Krasnodar 5.724, in internet shops, naturally.

Nastenka
I bought a harvester today

Bosch cubix costs 8999, according to the recycling stock, 7200 ...
You can order on the internet, but with transportation costs, the price would be about the same ...

the most important question is WHAT to choose
Sens
the most important question is WHAT to choose

first ... what do you want to bake? what bread?
Nastenka
- a good kneading of just yeast-free dough (on dumplings ...)
- with yeast, as I understand it, everyone gets along (or am I wrong?)
- size up to 1000g (desirable, but not essential) just eat bread in moderation
- we love black bread (i.e., to bake rye)
- m. b. diet bread
- muffins and other sweets are welcome (as many as 2 children)

I would like the stirrers to remain in shape, not in bread
the forms are not important, since a good oven

price up to 5000r.
Sens
and how much does Panoosonik 256 cost?
i would recommend it.
Nastenka
about 5500-6000, yes + shipping ...
Sens
where is it?
Nastenka
in Moscow...

and even the price reaches 9000 ...
in internet stores
Sens
then.
up to 5t. p not many bread makers ... just pick the one you like
Nastenka
I want so much that I baked-kneaded well

I'll save the link to every fireman

apparently a great experience of buying equipment on the internet?
How long will the delivery to Sochi be? about 1000?
how to deal with problems later? send to Moscow?
Sens
three hundred rubles bread maker ...
I bought a lot of things in Moscow, but there were no problems so far, I can't say anything about the exchange and repair.But you yourself can discuss this moment with the store manager.
matroskin_kot
Delivery, in Moscow to the transport company - 300-400 rubles, sometimes free of charge. And delivery - 500 rubles - to Sochi
Sens
matroskin_kot... for 500 rubles. brought a dishwasher
Nastenka
i.e. it is better to ask in the store itself ...

judging by the site 250r in Moscow ...

I was already dreaming
Nastenka
Quote: Sens

matroskin_kot... for 500r. brought the dishwasher

from the same store?

and specifically in THIS store has something been bought?
Sens
I wanted to say that the transport company estimated the transportation at 500 rubles.
matroskin_kot
About the company - in more detail, plizz, Autotrading and Zheldor - do not suffer from such generosity ...
Nastenka
Quote: Sens

I wanted to say that the transport company estimated the transportation at 500 rubles.

that is, you can expect 550 rubles from the store to the company + to Sochi?
Sens
that is, you can expect 550 rubles from the store to the company + to Sochi?
it is better to ask the store and the shipping company.

I can't remember the name of the company ... her office in Sochi is not far from the traffic police ... Cypress ... Do you need details?

why are you so about Autotrading? he brought me 5 tires from Moscow for 1000-1200r. I do not remember exactly.
Black_cat
1. The oven bakes better and tastes better.
2.None of the bread makers will make the dough on the dumplings thick enough so that you do not manually knock out the flour later.
3. For rye bread, a powerful machine is not needed, rye bread is stirred with a Bosch or Zelmer or Philips mixer, with a capacity of 400-450 watts
For well-kneaded dough for white bread and it is possible to knead on dumplings you need to buy a Bosch MCM 2050 Food Processor or higher number, iron knives knead the dough in 1 - 7 minutes and let the dough stand in the same bowl. 20 - 25 minutes. Then shaping and final proofing, lifting the workpiece to approximately 4 - 4.5 x
kilogram of dough for kneading, the machine costs 2500 or less, depending on where you buy
easy to wash
matroskin_kot
There was a Baikal service ... before ... If they are not, then I will not give up the details
Black_cat
Quote: matroskin_kot

About the company - in more detail, plizz, Autotrading and Zheldor - do not suffer from such generosity ...
What are you all making up?
well, if you have a lot of money, write yourself Magimix - and you will be happy - and bake bread in the oven!

Nastenka
Quote: Black_cat

1. The oven bakes better and tastes better.
2.None of the bread makers will make the dough on the dumplings thick enough so that you do not manually knock out the flour later.
3. For rye bread, a powerful machine is not needed, rye bread is stirred with a mixer such as Bosch or Zelmer or Philips, with a capacity of 400-450 watts
For well-kneaded dough for white bread and it is possible to knead on dumplings you need to buy a Bosch MCM 2050 Food Processor or higher number, iron knives knead the dough in 1 - 7 minutes and let the dough stand in the same bowl. 20 - 25 minutes. Then shaping and final proofing, lifting the workpiece to approximately 4 - 4.5 x
kilogram of dough for kneading, the machine costs 2500 or less, depending on where you buy
easy to wash

just bought a Bosch 5529 today - their latest model
I always had a processor kneading the dough, but while you put everything together, will it interfere ...

and friends of mule 6002 are already a year old and they are VERY happy and they are treating us, so they wanted to too
Nastenka
Sens, have you already bought something in this store?
Black_cat
Nastenka

You bought the right thing. Just too many bells and whistles

And the dough does it in two counts, it perfectly develops gluten, but for the last two days I finally sighed with relief
The family is rather big, you can't mix anything with a bread maker and a mixer, you get more worn out to lay the ingredients and then wash everything

Knead with Bosch, but not rye dough
he does not need such turns.
matroskin_kot
Quote: Black_cat

What are you all making up?
well, if you have a lot of money, write yourself Magimix - and you will be happy - and bake bread in the oven!
I’m just asking about the transport company, I don’t need any bread makers ...
Sens
There was a Baikal service
nope, somehow differently ...

friends of mule 6002 are already a year old and they are VERY happy and treat us, so they wanted to too
Well, buy yourself a mule !!!!

Sens, have you already bought something in this store?
no, it seems it was not there before. bought in Vasco.

Nastenka
Sens, so their mule costs about 8000
and in general they say (here on the site) that muliki are a big lottery
Black_cat
Nastenka
Your Bosch will mix everything you need
You are out of luck, Lyuda (nickname mariana-aga) closed her LJ. She told a lot about bread, in particular, how to knead

Best of all - Swedish monster Assistent Original - not a typo, namely Assistent
Behind him - Magimix and CuisinArts
Then Bosch - the last three - are like twin brothers, only looking different
By the way, you will read the passport of your new combine - the first thing they write about is the dough
Nastenka
Black_cat, I chose for a long time, but I bought a nozzle in cubes, my Olivier 4l saucepan, and then again for 1.5 days, then after 2 pots they calm down for a month
and there was not a single extra nozzle for me, everything is in use
The other day Moulinex was burying (the reason for buying a new combine - I served it faithfully for 9 years) so there was more, on the contrary, I was worried that there was no plastic knife for "tight" dough and a whisk, and for fries ... maybe I'll buy something else. ..
therefore, I think the oven will still not be superfluous

* JOKINGLY * it is mainly about cubes and is written
Celestine
Girls, we're talking about stoves, about harvesters - acc. Temko, otherwise you will get confused.
Nastenka
Quote: Celestine

Girls, we're talking about stoves, about harvesters - acc. Temko, otherwise you will get confused.

Celestina, I'm just trying to understand the need or not need for HP with a combine
what do you think?
Black_cat
Quote: Nastenka

Sens, so their mule costs about 8000
and in general they say (here on the site) that muliki are a big lottery
In fact, no one complained about the mule, except for one inconvenience - if you bake in it, then it is better to remove the stirrers, otherwise you can turn the whole loaf when shaking out.

They also praise Panasonic 255 - 256
Nastenka
Quote: Black_cat

In fact, no one complained about the mule, except for one inconvenience - if you bake in it, then it is better to remove the stirrers, otherwise you can turn the whole loaf when shaking out.

They also praise Panasonic 255 - 256

with friends, they remain in the bread in the kit, even a hook is used to pull them out of the bread

with Sens we are discussing Panasonic 256 and its delivery to Sochi
Black_cat
Quote: Nastenka

with friends, they remain in the bread in the kit, even a hook is used to pull them out of the bread

with Sens we are discussing Panasonic 256 and its delivery to Sochi

Well, all my friends complain about this. And if the hook is lost, you can replace it with a wooden skewer

PS my email is visible, you can apply for recipes. Many of them are here, but ... that's why Luda closed her magazine
Sens
I don't have a stirrer in white bread. and when I bake rye, I remove the mixer after kneading and bake without it.
Sens
transport company
Nastenka
Black_cat, sent a test email
Do you have HP? if so, which one?

Sens, thanks!
I'll try to call after the holidays and find out the details

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