Which bread maker to buy?

[Bread crust,]

Bread crust, what a wonderful bread turned out! Congratulations! How did you like working with the new HP? Were there any difficulties?

Thank you
The first success inspires
All the complexity is in the fear of the unknown, but everything is quite simple and understandable. But I carefully studied the forum before the first "test of the pen", all the advice, took into account the mistakes of others.
This bread is considered the easiest, win-win option, so difficulties may arise ahead.
The stove is great in general, it works so quietly that you can't hear it, even when it gets in the way. I really liked that each cooking process (standing, kneading, raising, baking, finishing) is highlighted with a bold line. Even when at first it was on the rise, then again returned to the batch, everything is reflected (this dash moves).
And the time shows from the beginning of turning on the start button until the end of the program.
The bread was easily taken out of the bucket, the spatula remained in the bucket, nothing stuck to it, and it was not necessary to rinse it.
Paca I like everything

Good afternoon, dear experienced bakers ....... I finally persuaded my household to buy HP. Finally we came to the conclusion that we must switch to our own bread. It took me 2 years. But now I'm in a stupor. There is a huge amount of HP, there is no experience, there is no understanding of which functions are needed - which ones are not. Soon it's my birthday, and my parents said - "choose a model - we buy." Please help - how to choose. I will describe the situation. We have 6 people in our family, of which 4 are men, they eat, as you understand, quite a lot. Everyone loves baked goods. I want to bake bread without roasting for every day (for medical reasons), both rye and wheat. Our pastries are swept away instantly. Buns, cakes, pastries, pies - everyone loves. Accordingly, the set of functions should probably be maximum. Well, the price of course matters, but it's easier to overpay a couple, three thousand, but to know that it can do everything ....... Help please !!!!! My brain will burst ... I really hope for your help. Thanks in advance and looking forward to your advice.

... cakes, pastries, pies - everyone loves. Accordingly, the set of functions should probably be maximum. ...

Cakes with pastries may not need to be baked in C / P?

Good afternoon, dear experienced bakers ....... I finally persuaded my household to buy HP. Finally we came to the conclusion that we must switch to our own bread. It took me 2 years. But now I'm in a stupor. There is a huge amount of HP, there is no experience, there is no understanding of which functions are needed - which ones are not. Soon it's my birthday, and my parents said - "choose a model - we buy." Please help - how to choose. I will describe the situation. We have 6 people in our family, of which 4 are men, they eat a lot, as you know. Everyone loves baked goods. I want to bake bread without roasting for every day (for medical reasons), both rye and wheat. Our pastries are swept away instantly. Buns, cakes, pastries, pies - everyone loves. Accordingly, the set of functions should probably be maximum. Well, the price of course matters, but it's easier to overpay a couple, three thousand, but to know that it can do everything ....... Help please !!!!! My brain will burst ...... I really hope for your help. Thanks in advance and looking forward to your advice.

Of course, PANASONIK is a well-established company. And for baking bread and just knead the dough for all sorts of dumplings, chebureks and other goodies ... And the muffins in my PANASONIK 18 slow cooker turn out great. SUCCESSFUL CHOICE !!!

And I think it's better to buy the simplest one.
For the third year now, I have been constantly baking bread on my own and HP only kneads the dough. Breads are tastier in the oven.And the fact that you do not need to follow the stages of kneading, fermentation is very convenient, but any simple bread maker can handle this. And look at the reviews of our members of the forum: in any HP the bread turns out perfectly. Should you pay extra for a brand?

Thank you very much for your answers. Well, cakes, pastries were used as a generalization - I read that you can bake with fillings ....... About the simplest one, it's good - and it's not about the brand - it's about functionality - I won't give up a non-brand one - I have a friend the oven - it bakes itself by a certain time - and as a person who constantly and tightly works, it would be highly desirable for me to save time. And which Panasonic is better? Here I climbed - like Bosch and Bork are considered the most reliable ... In general, so far there are more questions than answers ...

Should you pay extra for a brand?

And I don't agree with you. It's not about the brand, it's about reliability. Believe me, I know what I'm saying. My first Panasonic is 7 years old (or even more, I don't remember already). I bake quite often, it still works great. This year we bought a new one, just in case, of course, a Panasonic, and the old one is now at the dacha, my assistant and clever girl.

A Panasonic about which they write so much here? 2501?

Yeah, well, or 2502

Good afternoon, dear experienced bakers ....... I finally persuaded my household to buy HP. Finally we came to the conclusion that we must switch to our own bread. It took me 2 years. But now I'm in a stupor. There is a huge amount of HP, there is no experience, there is no understanding of which functions are needed - which ones are not. Soon it's my birthday, and my parents said - "choose a model - we buy." Please help - how to choose. I will describe the situation. We have 6 people in our family, of which 4 are men, they eat a lot, as you know. Everyone loves baked goods. I want to bake bread without roasting for every day (for medical reasons), both rye and wheat. Our pastries are swept away instantly. Buns, cakes, pastries, pies - everyone loves. Accordingly, the set of functions should probably be maximum. Well, the price of course matters, but it's easier to overpay a couple, three thousand, but to know that it can do everything ....... Help please !!!!! My brain will burst ...... I really hope for your help. Thanks in advance and looking forward to your advice.

Definitely Panasonechka. She knows how to do everything, works without interruption (sometimes I get insolent, and she bakes 3 bread a day, or kneads the dough). I have 257 for more than a year and every day I love her more and more

After much deliberation, I was LV, worked for 8 years, took a Panasonic 2500, easier, of course, than 2501 and 02, but I like it while using the Basic and French programs, I want to try dumplings dough and make dumplings today. You know, I also liked the LV and the quality of the bread is not bad here and there, so look at the finances. What I like about LV is there is one measuring cup for liquid and flour and I have never let it down .., even now having bought Panasonic I use recipes From LV ..

[Mamsik]

Mamsik
You try to do this:
- think about where you will put it
- go shopping and see what you like externally and suits the place
- look in the threads on the forum what they write about the selected ones, what the bread looks like
- and do not be afraid to ask questions, the more you learn about the selected models, the easier it will be to decide
Well, buy complete with electronic kitchen scales (weighing to within a gram and with a drop in tare weight) - take the simplest ones and it will be easier for you right away, on the forum all recipes are in grams / teaspoons.

Good luck

Thank you very much for your advice. Well, everyone seems to be praising Panasonic - I'm not sure - I read it - even 2502 doesn't have so many functions. For a reason, I indicated the number of family members that I want from the stove. Apparently, you will still have to rely only on the annotation to the oven. There is a place for it - in principle, any will fit. The appearance is completely irrelevant - only functionality and reliability. I already wrote about the brand.And on the topic of not being afraid to ask - on the one hand, it is not very convenient to litter the topic with only your own, probably not very relevant questions - after all, there is no such choice before the rest - they have ovens ......... and with on the other hand - since there is no understanding - what is generally needed and what - the questions are difficult to formulate - if you do not understand the essence ... I am still very grateful to everyone who responded ... There is food for thought ...

[Binatone BM-2169]

..... There is food for thought .....

It seems that after reading a lot, we still did not figure out how to choose a bread maker.

I'll show you with an example Binatone BM-2169
Not expensive, many functional bread maker.
Includes two forms.
1. On a large loaf.
2. Two small ones. Not a bad alternative to Moulinex with baguette molds.

There is a possibility of adjustment (adjustment of modes to the recipe) in this Binatone BM-2169 on a programmable mode, this is the 11th program - "Home made":

Binatone BM-2068,
Binatone BM-2168
Program Time
Knead1 / Mix1 6-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 5-20 minutes
Rise2 5-120 minutes
Rise3 0-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Warm / Preheat 0-60 minutes

Binatone BM-2169
Program Time
Knead1 / Kneading1 3-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 8-24 minutes
Rise2 1-60 minutes
Rise3 / Ascent3 20-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Warm / Preheat 0-120 minutes

After reading this plate, take any recipe, for any HP, look, and it (the recipe) is always baked on a specific, specified program, which consists of from kneading, rising and baking times, and decide whether this stove has enough time for this recipe or not. This one has enough!
That's all! All recipes, yours!
The rest: appearance, paint, lid, reliability, price and something else, this is at your discretion.
Not all CPs, and even those that are more expensive, can do this, especially if you bake sourdough bread. What do the owners of such stoves do, and the paddles are taken out, and the stoves are turned off, and the programs are combined, and they watch the end of the program in order to switch it or add time. Well, just acrobats! And all this is due to the limitations of fixed programs that bake bread well, but only typical solutions (recipes).
And in this stove, if something is wrong, I corrected program 11 and here it is - Happiness!

It is useful to attend to the presence in your city of a service for a bread machine that you purchase. Not a superfluous circumstance.

Come to me to learn how to bake rye custard bread
in different bread makers.
Here is the entry to the topic: Rye custard bread

It seems that after reading a lot, we still did not figure out how to choose a bread maker.
Explain to me, too, about the FIRST bread machine. Their programs are very tempting ... but what about the quality.

Explain to me, too, about the FIRST bread machine. Their programs are very tempting ... but what about the quality.

For 2500-3500 rubles, there is a fairly large selection of bread makers from better-known companies with a developed service network. FIRST is one of the many clone bread makers of the so-called OEM manufacturers. The plant is one, but the paint and stickers are different. Take a closer look at the photos of other stoves. And the names of the programs, even if you call them a pot, does not change the essence.
The choice should be approached like this:
1. Price.
2. Company and service availability.
3. Popularity.
4. Functionality. What HP can do. We need a decoding of the operating modes of all programs. Otherwise, you will have to sit with the stove with a stopwatch and measure everything. You need it?
5. Other little things. Size, paint, lid, etc.

[Waist70]

Waist70 You will excuse me, of course ... but where did you get the idea that this is "specific Austria"? For example, Adidas, a German company, but production is in China, Thailand, Taiwan, etc. I would venture to suggest that the situation here is similar ...

[Waist70]

Waist70, you don't want to hear what they tell you.
Here is the popularity rating of Austrian bread makers.
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=2899.0
There will be questions on the merits, come to my topic.

SORRY Austria is closer to us

Oh, they made fun))) And what if the country is closer to you geographically? You know, for example, again, how many Russian firms are registered in England, produce products in China, but the inscription "made in England" is everywhere? Although .... if you want to believe that the bakery is made in Austria, believe

[Sherly]

...... if you want to believe that the bakery is made in Austria, believe

Sherly, I remember your good choice of Chinese bread maker and your happiness.

Here, what are we talking about? Not about the possibilities of the stove and happiness, but about a cheerful Austria.

A flag in the hand of the sufferer. Fortunately, by posting above, https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=3696.0 on the example of a specific bread machine, I have already shown what you need to pay attention to.

[Sherly]

Sherly, I remember your good choice of Chinese bread maker and your happiness.

I am flattered with such attention.But when choosing, I knew that Panasonic is assembled in China, and I bought it not because it was China or Austria - for me the question of choice rested somewhat on other indicators))) And, I must say that so far the choice is not disappointed I just wanted to tell the person that if, when choosing, he hopes (and that is why he chooses this stove) that it will be "specific Austria", he can be misled and completely agrees with your approach to the choice of HP

Hey.
I decided to give my mom a bread maker for her anniversary. Before visiting this forum, I had little idea what IT is! After reading a little here, I already decided to abandon this idea - we are not cooks. But I want to, but what if it works out? I read the reviews for a long time - I came to a choice between Moulinex and Panasonic. The lack of a window at Panasonic adds fuel to the fire, but reliability wins over. In Moulinex, I like the baking form more - it is similar in size to the store one, I also looked at the baguettes - baguettes in my opinion. In Panasonic, the shape of a square cake is too much like a loaf. So I was confused. But still I lean towards Panasonic ... maybe 2500, 2501 ... What do you think?

for the umpteenth time the same question - Panas or mule?
1.No window needed! Well, there is no need for it! Without a window at the Panas, the top of the bread is always baked normally. I personally had a case when I was presented with bread baked in a mule - his top was not just pale, it was just raw! And open the stove at the stage kneading not only possible, but also necessary to control the state of the test. And there is a window or not, but the lid will have to be opened.
2.the shape of the loaf? And what will it (besides aesthetics) influence?

2.the shape of the loaf? And what will it (besides aesthetics) influence?

The first question from the topic for newbies, in fact, is not the main thing I agree.
Loaf shape? Probably a habit - a convenient size of a sandwich, say ... It seems like a lot of weight turns out, but there is not enough slicing because there are large pieces.

Maybe you can read more in the section about each bread maker, what and how they bake in them and what bread recipes are obtained. What are the inconveniences.
This helps to determine and not look at the "paint" of the stoves.

1.No window needed! Well, there is no need for it! Without a window at the Panas, the top of the bread is always baked normally. I personally had a case when I was presented with bread baked in a mule - his top was not just pale, it was just raw!

The white crown in a mule is not a feature of the window, but a feature of the mule You will rarely find such stoves from other manufacturers with a window and a white top at the same time

Hey.
I decided to give my mom a bread maker for her anniversary.

Olga, does mom live alone? how many eaters? Maybe not spend so much, but buy a proven inexpensive stove with a window and a baked top crust? Where are you? In Moscow, you can buy such a stove literally for a thousand rubles

Olga, does mom live alone? how many eaters? Maybe not spend so much, but buy a proven inexpensive stove with a window and a baked top crust? Where are you? In Moscow, such a stove can be bought literally for a thousand rubles

What is the name of?

What is the name of?

Or for 3000-3500 from a comfortable big pile

SUPRA BMS-150 is called, today I admired her again and cried to myself, I want her to Israel
here is a theme with pictures of bread
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=72438.0

Olga, does mom live alone? how many eaters? Maybe not spend so much, but buy a proven inexpensive stove with a window and a baked top crust? Where are you? In Moscow, such a stove can be bought literally for a thousand rubles

I live with mother. There are 4 eaters in total, including 1 child. I'm afraid to take nouname stoves. And for an anniversary somehow for a thousand is not good!

The price of the gift is not the main thing, the main thing is that the stove is available. Although I would buy two for such a price

Speaking of windows, on the Hebrew wikipedia page about x \ n which Braveli is:

OlgaVlad, if you want to spend more money on a gift, then buy a bread maker and multicooker rice cooker Mom will be happy .. probably, otherwise mothers are different

[flexibility]

I live with mother. There are 4 eaters in total, including 1 child. I'm afraid to take nouname stoves. And for an anniversary somehow for a thousand is not good!

You don't feel confident about what you want.
Start with at least the maximum amount you can spend.
I will try to help with the rest of the selection parameters, which are quite important.
It will be about flexibility the work of the bread machine in particular.
What miracles of acrobatics have to be done with bread makers, which are both good and wonderful, but not flexible, you can read in my topic using only one recipe. here
And the recipes are here on the forum, mom, do not cry how many!
You will get bread in them, but at the cost of wasting time in the first place.
On my recipe in Panasonic, and this is an excellent oven, you will lose exactly an hour waiting near the oven, but this hour is always absent, and accordingly there will be no bread. here
Now, in essence, using the example of a twin (clone), like many others, the same replica stoves from other manufacturers, there are service and spare parts, respectively.
I will show using the example of Binatone BM-2169, and this is also Daewoo, Gorenje, Bork, Ariete. The list is not complete.
To begin with, we read only one program from this group of bread makers, which is responsible for flexibility (versatility):
here are the possibilities of adjustment (adjustment of modes to the recipe) in Binatone on a programmable mode, this is program 11 - "Home made":

Binatone BM-2068,
Binatone BM-2168
Program Time
Knead1 / Knead1 6-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 5-20 minutes
Rise2 5-120 minutes
Rise3 0-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Warm / Preheat 0-60 minutes

Binatone BM-2169
Program Time
Knead1 / Kneading1 3-14 minutes
Rise1 / Ascent1 20-60 minutes
Knead2 / Mix2 8-24 minutes
Rise2 1-60 minutes
Rise3 / Ascent3 20-120 minutes
Bake / Baking 0-80 minutes
Warm / Preheat 0-120 minutes

After reading this plate, take any recipe, for any HP on the forum or in life, look, and it (the recipe) is always baked on a specific, specified program, which always consists of kneading, rising and baking times, and decide whether this stove has enough time for this recipe or not. This one has enough!
That's all! All recipes, yours!
Not all CPs, and even those that are more expensive, can do this, especially if you bake sourdough bread. What the owners of such stoves do not do, and the paddles are taken out, and the stoves are turned off, and the programs are combined, and they watch the end of the program to switch it or add time. Well, just acrobats! And all this is due to the limitations of fixed programs that bake bread well, but only typical solutions (recipes).
And in stoves of this type, and there are other very famous ones, if something is wrong, then I corrected it, and here, for example, program 11 and here it is - Happiness!

This is so, briefly, that affects our life.
It is not easy to choose, you are not the first, but I tried to pay attention to where to look.
Success with the throes of choice! I wish to make a worthy gift choice!

[Sherly]

SORRY Austria is closer to us

Really funny, I accidentally came across it, so you can console yourself with those where Austria never slept close, did not develop a bread maker, but only pasted its Austrian name. ...
Sherly absolutely right.
Here: First 5150
all analogues of this stove, this is what happened:
Here are exactly the same stoves, some differ slightly in design
Alaska BM2600, Rolsen RBM-938, Daewoo DI-3200S, Rotex RBX-38 Y, WEST BM903WS, First 5150, Liberton LBM02, Saturn ST-EC1775 Leda, ORION OBM-101, Elenberg BM-3100, Saturn 1775
(divided into groups by design):
More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=1997.0
and here it is also useful to read about true Austria
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=26545.0


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[Vanya28]

Vanya28, I have been using stoves for a long time, but you scared me with your post, and the newcomer will definitely be in a long-term shock

No matter how you select the modes and all that, the products even in the same country in different cities may be different, and you cannot guess the yeast, even if they are from the same plant. So the result is both a lottery and the work of your hands and brains .. with any bread maker

I'm not going to do programming - again, I'm not a cook / pastry chef. I just need an excellent HB to bake basic things in principle.

Buy a Panasonic, and if you want with a window, then look at the forum for other stoves, they are almost all good, look at the photo of the finished bread, so that the crust is evenly baked, and not where it is pale, where it burned. And you can always adjust the taste of bread for yourself. The bread maker just kneads and bakes.

Pay attention to the size of the loaf, if you eat little or only fresh bread, then there is no point in taking a bread maker with a large bucket. They are now sold for different sizes of a loaf, from 0.5 kg to 1.5-1.8 kg. And how much free space in the kitchen?

Buy a Panasonic so that the crust is evenly baked, and not where it is pale, where it burned.
Pay attention to the size of the loaf, if you eat little or only fresh bread, then there is no point in taking a bread maker with a large bucket. They are now sold for different sizes of a loaf, from 0.5 kg to 1.5-1.8 kg. And how much free space in the kitchen?

Regarding the stove - ripe for Panasonic 2501 (2502 does not like the stainless look). Regarding the place - from the table top to the hinged shelves 56cm. The stove will move in height, but to open it will need to be moved to the edge. There is no extra space for stove downtime. You will most likely have to pull back and forth, so as not to interfere with just standing on the countertop

So choose by height and width. The stoves that are half a kilo with a loaf are smaller in themselves.

Look for comparison:

So choose by height and width. The stoves that are half a kilo with a loaf are smaller in themselves.

Look for comparison:

YEAH! Impressive! Really a bakery and a bakery ... Thank you for so clearly demonstrated

I have a Pagnasonik 2500. I am very happy, Panasonic took it because of the opportunity to make dumplings dough .. For the second day I’m making dumplings, the children ate and prepared for future use .. I fell in love with this stove, like I once plowed my first Ski, which I plowed for 8 years .. And now only 3 weeks of Panasonic .. Very good oven, I advise

5 kopecks about the program * dumplings dough *. This is a program without proofing the dough, that is, the dough without yeast does not need to rise. Therefore, in the program there is only kneading and that's it. This dough can be kneaded in absolutely any stove(even in one for a thousand), on any bread program or program * yeast dough *. We kneaded and took out the dough from the bread machine. It's as simple as that. There is no program * dumplings dough * in my oven, but I make dumplings without problems

And I don't have a Panasonic, but there are 4 types of dough - dumplings, shortbread, yeast and biscuit.

The fact that there are a lot of manufacturers of bread machines in the world is already clear. But the choice is really limited by the availability in reality. There are always Panasonic, Mulinex and LV in stores. All other firms are sold either in some IP shops or Horn and Hoof online stores ...

The fact that there are a lot of manufacturers of bread machines in the world is already clear. But the choice is really limited by the availability in reality. There are always Panasonic, Mulinex and LV in stores. All other firms are sold either in some IP shops or Horn and Hoof online stores ...

do you mistrust online shopping?
skis, mules and Panasonic are on the shelves because they cost a lot. Good inexpensive stoves are swept away quickly.

[IRR]

Oh how we love * horns and hooves *, yeah IRR? IRR, go and see what cool molds we sell for 15 shekels, beauty, there are even large, even small .. all the space is used, even the pen. These..mamala, something like that, remember I threw you links on wooden ones? https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=22364.msg532787;topicseen

[IRR]

Oh how we love * horns and hooves *, yeah IRR? : girl_wink

good horns and hooves are much smarter than an expensive head. PEOPLE! why overpay? Moreover, it is not known whether you will use this bread maker or play around and slide it into the mezzanine ...

Who's talking about what, and I'm talking about the windows again
I played for a week or two with my Panasonic, boasted and treated the girlfriends with different bread and my friends and I came to the conclusion: "A bread machine in the house" is a viral disease. Because my friends also started buying stoves for themselves.
So I came to one to look at her Skier, exchange experience and look through the "window". I slam the lid in Panas, but my friend has a window, and there is no need to clap Yes, it was not. I looked through that window, and it was dark there, I couldn't see anything, only I could hear the stove kneading.
Conclusion: at the stage of mixing, the window does not win anything.
I ask the hostess how often does she look in the "window"? - And she laughs, says the first time it was terribly interesting, sat and looked, and now I will launch the assistant-bread maker and forget about her ... until she squeaks to take out the ready-made bread