Which bread maker to buy?

Tell me, which is better than Bork x500 or Kenwood bm450, first of all worry about programming opportunities? I plan to take the bread maker for rye yeast-free bread + bread from coarse flour. That is, the most useful bread. Any muffins, pies, white bread, and so on are not interested.

Thanks to all!

For baking rye bread in various HP models, with an overview of their technical data, read here:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0

People, please help me decide on the choice of a bread machine as a gift for parents. I chose Panasonic SD-ZB 2502 BTS and Kenwood BM450. I wanted to take Kenwood right away, as it fits well into the kitchen by design, but I read a lot of negative reviews about its unreliability. Now I'm more inclined to Panasonic. Or advise something else in this price category!

For parents, if they are not experienced bakers, then in my opinion, Panasonic is better - understandable, convenient and always with a guaranteed excellent result!

Girls, here I am ripe for buying a bread machine. Tell me which models to pay attention to so that the bread is baked and ruddy and so that the dough on dumplings, dumplings are kneaded.

Girls, here I am ripe for buying a bread machine. Tell me which models to pay attention to so that the bread is baked and ruddy and so that the dough on dumplings, dumplings are kneaded.

Panasonic 2501

Tell me, please, the bread maker is not noisy and not expensive !!! one-room apartment, I don't want the bread maker to rattle like a tractor. at Ariet's parents, noisy. and if anyone has a Midea AHS20AC-P bread maker ??? how is it at work, and is it noisy? price very good attractive.)) only 1700r.

The quietest Panasonic (except for the model with the yeast dispenser). Can't hear it at all.

Panasonic 2501 is a great model !!!!

And I would have bought 2500. Even most likely I would have bought it, because at the price I really like it. But my horse is still working

[cheflera]

cheflera Panasonic 2501. Excellent model = the same 2500, but with a rye bread mode and a dispenser. As life shows, sometimes it is necessary))) A hard worker who often "forgives" minor errors.

I'm for Panasonic!
The principle is: The more expensive the stove, the more self-respect!
Everything is like with a car, in fact
If the bread is from a cheap oven, it is not as fragrant as with an expensive one.
Panasonic is a Mercedes.
They ask you what you ride?
And you answer like that with a grin. Panasonic on a Mercedes, I'm just not accustomed to another!
Sounds!
That is why it is strictly Panas.
And he is handsome.
The contours of the headlight, that is, they confused the plastic beautiful ..

It's not about the name, in this case, but the quality.
I'm dreaming of a double bucket bread maker. But what is, they do not inspire confidence in me.

I'm dreaming about a double bucket bread maker

And what for?
This is how I thought about this topic and came to the conclusion that even the tendency (trend) of recent years to reduce the capacity of the bucket, an acre of the manufacturer's obvious profit (lower production costs) carries the aspect of FREQUENT baking.
That is, more often fresh bread.
And I saw doubles there, it seems like a loaf of three kg comes out. Tin.

No, a normal loaf, but instead of one - two are obtained (smaller). One sweet (as a roll), the second regular. It seems convenient to me.

One sweet (as a roll), the second regular.

Didn't they understand that they were ALWAYS divided? Two separate mini-kettles?
Are they completely separated?
And I have not seen this.
Great.
I thought stupidly the boiler in a double volume.
Otherwise, yes.
Two different types of buns in one bake. Chumovo.

That's how it is

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Unold 68511

That's how it is

Yeah saw this. I am not a close friend that there is a complete division.
Test piece.
If programmable - then generally best!

Thank you all for your answers, I'll look for info about Midea and make a choice.))

I have never heard of such a miracle !!! Thank you, enlightened !!!! Cool unit !!!!

Help with the choice of C / P. We looked closely at the Bork X800, Panasonic SD-ZB2502, Kenwood BM900, Moulinex RZ7101 models, but we can't decide how we can, especially after we came across this forum, in general, our head is spinning ...

lihaboom, if you want expensive, take Bork. And Panasonic is 2 times cheaper.

Help with the choice of C / P. We looked closely at the Bork X800, Panasonic SD-ZB2502,

Choice between these two models.
Others may not be compared to them.
This is for the interior. Bork often goes to the interior.
pansonik is considered to be the best of all technically.

and kenwood, in my opinion programmable

Didn't they understand that they were ALWAYS divided? Two separate mini-kettles?
Are they completely separated?
And I have not seen this.
Great.
I thought stupidly the boiler in a double volume.
Otherwise, yes.
Two different types of buns in one bake. Chumovo.

Panas perfectly includes small cast aluminum forms for bread L11 and L12 (read "Non-standard forms in Panasonic"). I found where they sell them in St. Petersburg. Already bought myself and my savior Caroline.

Panas perfectly includes small cast aluminum forms for bread L11 and L12 (read non-standard forms in Panasonic). I found where they sell them in St. Petersburg. Already bought myself and my savior Caroline.

What for? What does the bucket itself do not like?

What for? What does the bucket itself do not like?

I don't have a stove at all, I bake in the oven. This is Creative Creamy. And just for your desires - two in one.

No, my desire is a double bucket, as in the photo above. Not two buckets separately.

No, my desire is a double bucket, as in the photo above. Not two buckets separately.

If desired, they can be fastened together, but why? The bottom line is to bake two different breads at the same time.
And, there are 2 mixers in each bucket. We have to wait, Creamy and it will come up

Small cast aluminum molds are great for Panas

I don't have a Panasonic, not a Mercedes.
I ride Yagura :-)

The bottom line is to bake two different breads at the same time.

There is no point in TWO stirrers.
Simultaneous preparation of two different mixtures and then baking them.
there are TWO stirrers.
Two different drives.
Immediately FROM and TO two different types of bread.
The whole process of cooking but different rolls.
The whole system is in two shafts and two hooks.

I don't have a Panasonic, not a Mercedes.
I ride Yagura :-)

Well, excuse me, I'm on Citro And in the oven, there is no stove (Merc). So I don’t even know what parallels to trace.

I don't have a Panasonic, not a Mercedes.
I ride Yagura :-)
There is no essence in TWO stirrers.
Simultaneous preparation of two different mixtures and then baking them.
there are TWO stirrers.
Two different drives.
Immediately FROM and TO two different types of bread.
The whole process of cooking but different rolls.
The whole system is in two shafts and two hooks.

I saw it myself. Well, then to Amazon for Unold.

Simultaneous preparation of two different mixtures and then baking them.
there are TWO stirrers.
Two different drives.
Immediately FROM and TO two different types of bread.
The whole process of cooking but different rolls.
The whole system is in two shafts and two hooks.

There are two hooks - yes, but the drives are different - it’s a lie. I don't think that you can bake every bread on your own mode. Basically, on the Main, many breads of different composition can be baked.

I don't think that you can bake every bread on your own mode.

Absolutli is correct.
Of course the program is ONE for both hooks.
This is one hundred percent.
But we put sugar in one cauldron, and in another we throw leaves


And there will be TWO completely different rolls !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was there a HP like Severin, with two separate ones? programs and buckets, it was not released for a long time, due to lack of demand

Was there a HP like Severin, with two separate ones? programs

Achume.
But the tendency to reduce production costs :-( And as a result, only a decrease in the capacities of pots and a simplification of software systems :-)
Even the vaunted pansonik still does not make a stove with changeable program settings :-(
And deLongey, as a beacon of the Italians' engineering thought, also turns off the line with the software settings :-(
Where is this world heading :-(

Panasonic does not seem to be going to do programmable HP, their main emphasis is on the machine.
DeLonghi generally curtailed the production of HP, not profitably, leaving only the Kenwood division, and the DeLonghi EOB 2071 combo https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0
PS: One of these days I will do trepanation disassembling * JOKINGLY * of this device, I will lay out the photo door badly.

One of these days I will do trepanation, disassembly of this device, I will lay out the photo door badly.

Oh this is vesch! I read that you bought it.
I was delighted. A very modern and enchantingly advanced piece.
I never got to the point of purchasing it. I still spend less time on kitchen delights.
I often leave and everything is idle.
And I live without a family. All the fun is just for yourself and your friends.
Therefore, I did not dare. Another device would be rarely used.
I bake the rolls once a week and a half :-) I don't eat it :-)
But according to the stories about the operation of this awesome device, the axiom that Hitler perfectly understood when he had Benito Mussolina as his friends Italians are the most powerful engineers in the world!

A very modern and enchantingly advanced piece.
Italians are the most powerful engineers in the world!

After a year of work, problems arose. The warranty has just ended So, the most powerful engineers in the world are the Japanese

So, the most powerful engineers in the world are the Japanese.

It's just that the Japanese always have a very high emphasis on quality.
It is the quality. And the Italians give out enchanting engineering solutions.
Often (unfortunately) in opposition to operational and economic issues.
And for the user, the issue of operation and durability is still higher than the brightness of technical solutions.
The Japs have a well-thought-out technique for LONG operation. And the Italians will make an excellent door, but it will warm up :-(

Good day everyone!
Tell me, please, which bread makers have protection against voltage surges? In which Bread Maker has the longest interval for "memorizing" the program (60 minutes, for example), if the power is turned off during the preparation process?
I want my mom to buy it at the dacha, only there they constantly turn off the light ((

[Duff]

Duff Not a single HP has protection against voltage surges. Panasonic ~ 15min. The rest is UPS 1000 watts to help

[Duff]

Duff Not a single HP has protection against voltage surges. Panasonic ~ 15min. The rest is UPS 1000 watts to help

Thank you very much, otherwise I'm looking for it))) I just read in an article about HP that there should be such a function, so I was looking.
And tell me, dark, what is UPS 1000 watts?

[Duff]

Duff UPS is an uninterruptible power supply for personal computers

Hello.
Please tell me which bread machine from the assortment presented in Ukraine is most suitable for baking sourdough bread? and rye. The programmable Brand, which was written about on the forum, is not for sale in our country, but Zodzhirushi somehow ... in general, will hit the pocket.

Hello.
Please tell me which bread machine from the assortment presented in Ukraine is most suitable for baking sourdough bread? and rye. The programmable Brand, which was written about on the forum, is not for sale in our country, but Zodzhirushi somehow ... in general, will hit the pocket.

The programmable Brand is no longer on sale anywhere, but they promised to make a new version ...

So we don't have this brand anyway ...
So far I have found stoves that have declared their "own" mode:
DELONGHI BDM 1500
GORENJE BM 900 AL
GORENJE BM 900 ND
GORENJE BM 900 W
BINATONE BM-2068

Maybe there are some other better quality models?

DELONGHI BDM 1500

It is not programmed and does not release any more HP.
For Zojirushi starter culture and with a stretch Bork X800. For the rest, write questions in the profile branches.

Bork is not for sale either.
I also found Delonghi BDM 125.S at a water store, in any case the "buy" button is active.
Is that also not suitable for sourdough? I'm afraid my husband will not understand me if I want a stove, which I have to order from America, also not cheap, such as Zodzhirushi

... which have declared their "own" mode:

Maybe there are some other better quality models?

and Kenwood 450 does not count? I really like her. Great for both kneading and baking! And the design is beautiful

and Kenwood 450 does not count? I really like her. Great for both kneading and baking! And the design is beautiful

I just now reached her)
The question is - basically everywhere it costs more than 2000 thousand, and in one store 1500 UAH. - believe them or, as usual, free cheese in a mousetrap?
This is it?

I just got to her)
The question is - basically everywhere it costs more than 2000 thousand, and in one store 1500 UAH. - believe them or, as usual, free cheese in a mousetrap?

On the photo - she. And I also looked at the prices and
I took mine for 1300 UAH, but five years ago. During this time, I changed the bucket and bought a round one.
Honestly, I rarely use my "favorite" program. Usually in any bread maker there are so many modes that rye and whole grain are perfectly baked on the BASIC mode