Kenwood BM450 vs Panasonic 255

One to one apart from Rye bread! We even have one instruction for two models
not really:
at 254 - 8 baking programs + 7 dough preparation programs

at 255 - 9 baking programs + 8 dough cooking programs + dispenser

One to one apart from Rye bread! We even have one instruction for two models
not really:
at 254 - 8 baking programs + 7 dough preparation programs

at 255 - 9 baking programs + 8 dough cooking programs + dispenser

Quite right, no Rye: bread and dough! And ask, what part of the members of the forum uses these two modes? Less than not used. I bake excellent rye bread, having made my own program for P-254. But the price is less. I bought a comb for rye for 250 rubles, and saved more than 1000 rubles!

dough program, if I'm not mistaken - dumplings are missing, right? And in my 253 I successfully use "pizza dough" for dumplings. There is something to think about, of course ... or wait until Panasik is newer than 255th to make a model

dough program, if I'm not mistaken - dumplings are missing, right? And in my 253 I successfully use "pizza dough" for dumplings. There is something to think about, of course ... or wait until Panasik is newer than 255th to make a model

No, not missing. There are excellent kneads. I'm seriously telling you, absolutely the same, only the lid with the dispenser and the Rye-baking and dough program has been introduced! Don't look, there are no other differences, except for the weight of 400 g due to the lid with the dispenser.

[lana7386]

lana7386, thank you, of course I'll weigh again.
But another question remains on the agenda - and how can Kenwood 450 - he's so cute !!!!! and what to take? Head spin!

[lana7386]

lana7386, thank you, of course I'll weigh again.
But there remains another question on the agenda - and how can Kenwood 450 - he's so cute !!!!! and what to take? Head spin!

This is what I cannot judge. I only know the appearance of the K-450 and nothing more. You won't wish the agony of choice to anyone Decide and good luck But as they become more expensive, it becomes scary ...

[ZHIRULKA]

ZHIRULKA, I'm happy with the Rye program. The recipes from the instructions are great! I was already used to the dispenser from the former HP. I do not regret that I overpaid a little. If I took 254, I think I would also be happy, but doubts and remorse would remain that I regretted some 200-300 UAH. All the more I prefer to have my own opinion.

Today I got the idea to look at foreign online stores and the prices for these two HPs. My husband and I were shocked as they were tearing us off in three ways. It turns out there these two models go to the same price of £ 87.49 (~ 1200 UAH in Ukrainian), but here they beat them ... well, okay, you can find a Kenwood 450 for almost the same price, but Panasonic is really bent! So our Kenwood will also be raised - it can't cost so much less than Panas and be all stainless steel, with so many programs and a touch panel.

By the way, in the same place on the site and saw on the video of the Kenwood 450, the cover is completely removed and washed!

[ZHIRULKA]

Today I got the idea to look at foreign online stores and the prices for these two HPs. My husband and I were shocked as they were tearing us off in three ways. It turns out there these two models go to the same price of £ 87.49 (~ 1200 UAH Ukrainian), but we beat them ...

ZHIRULKA, but you forgot to add for delivery? And the waiting time? The difference turns out to be small if you take it from an online store.
And there is no Jam and Pelmeni program - this is especially for our market, there are other Sandwich and Italian.

Why be surprised at the prices? A little off topic, how many products cost us / salaries and this ratio in the west! So it is with the stoves.Once they take it well, the price is up!
And the cover that can be removed, and in others there is such, for example, in mine.

Bought two days ago Kenwood VM-450, I like it. I baked bread today. Everything worked out

[If the bread does not work (for example, in a new HB), then it is not a fact that the stove is broken.]

If the bread does not work (for example, in a new HB), then it is not a fact that the stove is broken.
When we bought our first Panasonic 253, I was very upset when my first bread did not work out and more than once! And the problem was not in the oven, but in the recipes printed for the bread maker in the instructions. There you can see when the instructions were translated or when they were translated into grams-cups, then there were errors in quantity everywhere. I don't remember how it happened that I went to the Panasonic website and compared that recipe book with mine - there were plenty of mistakes in mine !!! Everything was successfully corrected and to this day the bread turns out perfectly, and if something is wrong (which is extremely rare), then I know for sure this is a problem either with yeast or with flour, BUT NOT with the BREAD Maker!

And if the bread-maker, when connected to the network, immediately starts turning the mixer, without pressing the "Start" button?

And if the bread-maker, when connected to the network, immediately starts turning the mixer, without pressing the "Start" button?

It should not be.
Press all the buttons several times before plugging into the outlet, suddenly one is stuck.
If it doesn't help, then you have to go to the service.
🔗

Thanks, I'll try again. And when the button is stuck, this can be, I wonder? The problem is that I bought the stove in Moscow, but I live in another city. If the problem is in the electronics, can our service center help me?

The stove is new, it is easier to replace it within 2 weeks.
If the Panasonic service is in your city, then of course it will be repaired there, it is not fast as a rule.
Sad of course, the stove is good and new.
We'll have to cook a little in the oven.
🔗
The buttons are most likely ok

Thanks for the advice. Only two weeks have already passed - I bought it on November 28, and I tried the oven only on Saturday. Why am I so unlucky?

Everything will work out, albeit sadly. You will also bake and rejoice.
And there is no need to be afraid, this is iron and it sometimes breaks.

The choice was made in favor of Panasonic 255. After reading the thread and wandering around the net, I realized that if I buy another model, the thought that "In Panasonic the bread would be better and tastier" will not leave me. While my first bread is still in the baking process. I will post the result in the corresponding branch.

[Good luck]

The choice was made in favor of Panasonic 255. After reading the thread and wandering around the net, I realized that if I buy another model, the thought that "In Panasonic the bread would be better and tastier" will not leave me. While my first bread is still in the baking process. I will post the result in the corresponding branch.

Congratulations and mine, please!
I bake every day because I bake M-size rolls and my grandson, a teenager, respects bread and pastries very much. So Panasik has been kneading and baking for 11 months already, let him work for glory and benefit, God forbid, and never let him down, not once! You Good luck

[Tinka_tinka, lana7386,]

Tinka_tinka, lana7386, Thank you for your congratulations. The choice was not easy for me. The soul was drawn to Panasonic, Kenwood was attracted by design, programmable models were also attracted. The site helped to determine and, apparently, will be an advisor in further communication with HP.
P.S. Only after the purchase I realized that HP from Panasonic is already the fifth Panasonic in the house - in addition to an electric shaver, microwave oven, multicooker and plasma. Not for nothing, after all, it stopped at him - it means fate.
P.S. Not the fifth, but the sixth - there is also a home radiotelephone.

Hello everyone! I'm thinking about which stove to buy and stopped at Kenwood and Panasonic. Confused by the absence of the Rye bread program in Kenwood and the absence of Sweet pastries in Panasonic. I apologize for the stupid questions, I haven’t come across baking at all .. But can you advise me. I need a stove that would bake sweet rolls, paski and rye bread too. Help with the choice, please

I also suffered for a long time with a choice. IMHO - Panasonic. I don’t regret it. By the way, on the avatar is a photo of the first (!) Bread.And it works quietly ...
And sweet pastries in Panas can be baked, of course. It makes sense to read the instructions for these HPs.

Already familiarized, that's why there were questions. Just confused by the difference in price, about $ 80 .. Is Panasonic so much better? The functions are the same, they can bake and knead dough for dumplings, pizza ... And the price is much higher than that of Kenwood.

in kenwoods rye is whole grain

Everyone who chooses should read more on the forum, not only for baking, but also for operation, disadvantages. Everything is already frayed!

Just confused by the difference in price, about $ 80 .. Is Panasonic really that much better? The functions are the same, they can bake and knead dough for dumplings, pizza ... And the price is much higher than that of Kenwood.

Abroad, these two models cost the same - $ 120, our prices for demand (in this case for Panasonic) are significantly overstated!

today I stopped by a store near my home and I can say that in England the price for a VM-450 is on average somewhere around 94 pounds and for a Panasonic SD255 somewhere around 86-87 pounds (it has risen in price compared to 6-8 months ago for 76 pounds). TE VM-450 is slightly more expensive. I really considered only Panasonic for myself, since I'm only interested in bread according to ready-made recipes, which is always obtained on Panas, but intellectual excesses with self-made programs do not bother me. I'm lazy by nature and Panasonic is the best thing for lazy people. I have never even controlled any koloboks and I am not going to and Panas did not disappoint yet.

[Floris]

Floris, take kenwood - for the difference, buy a round bucket (there seems to be one) to bake pasque. And the rye bread program will help you set up the forum users.

I was tormented by long painful elections and decided to take the Kenwood 450 anyway. The design won - she's such a bastard!
Now this device stands in a row with the same design toaster from Kenwood (by the way, I recommend TT930) and a Combine Major! Looks so cute!
I use it for a week. So far I decided to try my favorite French bread to compare how Kenwood makes it. And here's what I noticed: it is very different from Panasovsky French - and I’ll tell you not for the better (I did it according to a recipe from Panasonic)! In Panas, this mode lasts 6 hours, and in Kenwood, there is something there 3 with a spear, so well, apparently, this time is not enough, but the temperature regime is not the same at all - it’s completely wrong - I did it twice already. I already understand bread - and for me there is a big difference between French and Italian bread (according to Panasonic) - what comes out from Kenwood is closer even to Italian, but not French! This is a MINUS to Kenwood.
It's also disgusting that the book of recipes is not in Russian (even in black and white), two are in Italian and French. There is an electronic version on Kenwood's Ukrainian website, but there is a difference in the recipes (apparently they were "translated" for us) than in these books. And I want to try their recipes purely. Therefore, I sit translating from these languages ​​into Russian. Almost everything related to recipes has already been translated!

But there is also a plus - I like the inner flat surface - just a cloth and all the crumbs, flour .... will quickly gather, which is not enough for Panas - there only a vacuum cleaner can help clean the mechanism of this!
Unlike my Panasonic 253 (maybe it has an iron enameled body), the Kenwood 450 body practically does not heat up (although it also has an iron body, though it is a stainless steel) !!
I really like the 450 that you can remove the dispenser if you don’t use it, so that it doesn’t heat up again for nothing!

But in general, I bought a replacement Kenwood, set my teeth on edge, and now I want a new Panasonic even more !!!! I will wait for a new model from Panasonic! Maybe they will come up with something interesting. Two bread makers will not interfere in the house - one for the soul, the other for a good job.

Advice: if you had a Panasonic, then change only to a Panasonic - and if there was none at all, then 450 is even very suitable, if you compare it very hot, then you had nothing and for you it will be the most!

[Floris]

Floris, take kenwood - for the difference, buy a round bucket (there seems to be one) to bake pasque. Or the scales! And the rye bread program will help you set up the forum users.

We will teach with rye, and with yeast, and with sourdough, it's not difficult!

And I also think that it was very well thought out with an additional round bucket at Kenwood, because it is not so good to cook jam-jam in a rectangular one - sugar sticking to the sides remains, berries - the mixer does not reach along the long edges.
Maybe Panasonic will make an additional round bucket someday.
Yes, and sometimes you need to bake a round one too!
In general, can you collect all the wishes for improving the new model and send it to the main site? What if they will be taken into account someday?

Good day! I'm not a baker yet, but I really want to. That's all in doubt, I have already re-read the forum up and down and I can not decide. I rush between Kenwood and Panasonic. Well, we have Kenwoods on sale, and Panasonic are rarely imported, now there are such models: SD-254WXE and SD-255WXE. Something I can not find reviews on such a model. And Kenwood looked at the store yesterday, it seemed to me that the bucket somehow stood unevenly, or was it all like that? And about SD-255WXE, I did not find any reviews.
And the husband generally doubts whether we need a bread maker
Can you advise something?

lena18jan, you do not indicate where you live, so it is difficult to determine why you have European versions of Panasonic (they have WXE prefixes). But this is a normal Panasonic. Kenwood works louder, but the position of the bucket is normal, and the rumble is created by the working mechanism itself. The choice between these models for everyone rests on Ken's more beautiful appearance and Panas' greater reliability and quality of baking. So choose what is more important to you. Both HPs bake well enough, so you can't go wrong anyway. buy one for a start, and then look, you will like it, buy a second one, many do this. But no, then the problem will end.

The choice between these models for everyone rests on Ken's more beautiful appearance and Panas' greater reliability and quality of baking.

Gold words...

Thank you for your answer, I live in Latvia, now I understand why such a HP model, but they wrote to me from the store that this SD-255WXE oven does not have the function of jam and dough for dumplings, and the SD-255WTS model might arrive in January. There is also a difference in price, Panasonic is more expensive. Kenwood is certainly nice, but I've read here that it breaks down, that Panasonic is more reliable.
Oh, these pangs of choice

the dumplings dough is perfectly done on the slightly modernized Pizza dough setting. making jam in a bread maker - as I wrote earlier - is a typical marketing ploy for the countries of the former USSR, which ruins an expensive baking bucket. on the other hand, in the European model there is Italian bread and bread especially for the tosotv. it's much better than jam.

Good day.
I decided to give my wife a bread maker for the new year. For a long time I chose between Kenwood 450 and Panasonic 255 .... After reading the forum, listening to familiar sellers of life. technicians bought Panasonic 255. Since I will give it for the New Year (my wife does not know, there will be a surprise), I did not use the stove, only plugged it into the network and checked that it was turned on.
I myself am in cooking / baking a complete "0", so I ask your advice - what and in what quantities to buy from products (flour, etc.), so that on January 1st in the evening I try to bake bread ...

blind2003, where do you live? indicate in your signature (in the profile), it will be easier for us to advise something

I also read that Panasonic's bucket is better than Kenwood's, is it true?

blind2003, in your branch https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=2698.0 it seems they are discussing anything, just not wheat flour, buy premium flour, read carefully, maybe it will indicate bakery or high-gluten flour - take this one
and the rest of the products are already a little bit - water (milk, kefir, whey - whatever you find in the fridge), butter, salt, sugar and yeast. read carefully about yeast, what they work with - with water or with flour.all according to the recipe, start with plain white bread (included in the instructions). and buy scales, the simplest, electronic
good luck

fugaska,
I bought the scales right away, along with the stove :-) Polaris PKS 0310DW wall-mounted :-) (checked with 5 rubles - 7g)
The instruction is in the stove, the stove in the office from friends, I can hardly pick up the stove and read the instructions until NG ... Therefore, I ask for help - what and how much to buy for a test ...

[lena18janv]

I also read that Panasonic's bucket is better than Kenwood's, is it true?

lena18janv, these two ovens are good, reliable, * very similar *, bake both bread perfectly.
Conversations that are tastier are subjective and do not have much basis. During the week, I baked bread simultaneously in two ovens, both rye and wheat, and no one confidently said where which one was baked, when eaten. We used the Basic program in Panasonic for wheat and a combination of two programs in Panasonic for baking rye (read about this feature in my topic if you are interested in details).
Kenwood was not used with its own set of programs, since Panasonic is not programmed.
Made the same time for all baking stages with Panasonic. I baked it three times.
Total for the fourth time for wheat:
with an increase in the ascent time of 15 minutes in Kenwood
and baking time for 5 minutes,
after cooling the bread (two hours) and cutting off the crust,
only crumb with butter and tea was served for testing.
Out of five people, each with ten pieces, and which one is better, there were no correct, confident answers.
With rye it is even more fun, the program was minute by minute.
The result is similar to wheat.
The mechanics and the bucket, including Panasonic's, are made more elegant.
Functionally today Panasonic Kenwood is inferior.
In terms of reliability, according to the materials of the forum today, the bowl fluctuates. There are no obvious problems with these stoves.
It's hard to choose. Brace yourself.
The availability of service and something personal in the stove can tip the scales.
I tried to reflect the main thing. If you missed something (this is for everyone), let's add it, you need to help the torments of choice.

If you missed something (this is for everyone), let's add it, you need to help the torments of choice.

Or aggravate them

I also read that Panasonic's bucket is better than Kenwood's, is it true?

Yes, indeed, Panasonic's bucket is better. however, its price is almost 2 times higher than that of Knewood. for kenwood, you can buy an extra round bucket for only 32 bucks. a bucket in Panasonic can be easily scratched if you cook jam and add coarse sugar. a new bucket for Panasonic will cost you 90 bucks. however, if everything is done normally, it will serve until the bread maker dies. Kenwood on the Western forums found another problem. Rarely, but all the same, the heating element burns, and a friend has knocked out the plugs. This happened 3-4 weeks after the purchase, so they replaced it immediately. In the last games this problem has been eliminated.

Therefore, I ask for help - what and how much to buy for a test ...

Write down your shopping list:
= Wheat flour (bread, premium, ..., I really can't imagine WHAT they write on your packs) - 1-2 kg,
= Yeast (instant, dry, ...) it will be great if you find 500 g in a professional package with a good shelf life - 1 large pack (or 5-10 small 11 grams each)
= fine salt (you will probably have sea salt) - 1 pack
= vegetable oil (sunflower or corn oil is not important, if the budget allows - olive oil is beyond competition) - 1 bottle,

You already have everything else for baking the first loaf (desire, water, electricity).
Good luck!

Well, that ended my torment of choice, my husband saw discounts on Panasinik on AMAZON and ordered, it will probably come just to my DR. At the price, it turned out to be twice cheaper than what they sell in our store. I went to the store, asked the seller to show me Panasonic live, otherwise it's not very clear from the picture. In general, I liked it, it looks so stable and the bucket is good and there are 2 mixers. I hope I made the right choice.
Now I will wait impatiently

Congratulations from the bottom of my heart! There is still so much joy ahead when your HP starts baking bread and rolls ...

...
Now I will wait impatiently

This time will help while away the purchase of useful
and sometimes just necessary things.
Scales, measuring spoons and glasses, pleasant additions to bread,
continue exploring this forum.

It will be nice to see you as worthy members of the baker's community.

Thanks to all . I already thought about the scales, please tell me, does it matter which scales to buy or are there certain brands? I still have to study a lot and read the forum, and I still have to find instructions in Russian.