Kenwood BM450 vs Panasonic 255

[Danik51]

I think the Moderator should pay attention to the messages Danik51 and create all conditions for him to publish the same message in unlimited quantities

Is there a separate topic for a person for this business? We need to think about the proposal! Seriously, I'll definitely clean up the topic!

[Danik51]

Danik51 The Kenwood 450 is an improved 350, that's all!
Panasonic 254-255 is if you want a new concept, both in design and in technical solutions. There is a modification for Japan with another dispenser. I think no one here will say that the SD-255 looks like at least one stove or the previous model SD-253
So what kind of stove, here "grandfather" is a moot point and there is no need for unfounded evidence, facts "in the studio"

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So what kind of stove, here "grandfather" is a moot point and there is no need for unfounded evidence, facts "in the studio"; -
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What you are listing is still a project for Russia. And the fact that Panasonic is resting on its laurels today is lagging behind competitors in expanding the functionality of its models, which is something to argue, it is a fact and a fact. Unnamed manufacturers are already complementing their models with the ability to write additional recipes.
And what you have listed in the improvements 254, 255 models only concern design and layout. All the filling has been unchanged for almost ten years, and as a result, competitors have pulled themselves together, forcing bakers here to start breaking spears.
In the place of the Moderator, it is quite possible to open a new topic - What kind of bread maker I want.

1. Bez plastic design. 2, Observation window. 3. Backlight. 4. Sensory management. 5. Additional programs. 6. Power780va T. 6. Baking is faster. All this is not in Panas than in Kenwood VM450. Aviphechka is excellent And also baking in 1 hour. Yes, an old horse will not spoil a furrow, but it will not plow deeply either.

1. Bez plastic design. 2, Observation window. 3. Backlight. 4. Sensory management. 5. Additional programs. 6. Power780va T. 6. Baking is faster. All this is not in Panas than in Kenwood VM450. Aviphechka is excellent And even baking in 1 hour. Yes, an old horse will not spoil a furrow, but it will not plow deeply either.

I have 253 model - it is metal, and whether the plastic in 255 model is so bad is a very controversial issue. Instead of a viewing window, which I would not use, there is simply no need, there is a dispenser, have I cheated myself here? Again a controversial issue. What does baking in 1 hour mean? Separately, Panasonic has pastries, a quick bread program for 1 hour 55 minutes is also there. What does the power have to do with it, if Panasonic's 550 W is enough for all its operations and the baking is just as excellent, it's a sin to complain. About touch control, and in Panasonic, what is it for you?

In the place of the Moderator, it is quite possible to open a new topic - What kind of bread maker I want. It is possible to write the results to the manufacturer in different ways, they will definitely listen and get happiness as a result. If you need to lead this topic, you can count on me, with Sharpe on the issue of localization there is a similar experience.

There is such a topic, look and ... please go there

1. Bez plastic design. 2, Observation window. 3. Backlight. 4. Sensory management. 5. Additional programs. 6. Power780va T. 6. Baking is faster. All this is not in Panas than in Kenwood VM450. Aviphechka is excellent And even baking in 1 hour. Yes, an old horse will not spoil a furrow, but it will not plow deep either.

All this, sorry, not essential bells and whistles. There is only one difference. this is the presence of programming, and even then they bake with it

My purely opinion of having both of these stoves.
Into the rye bread program.Tolley stove has a program, or not it's all the same! The existing program is not enough for a good, risen, baked beautiful rye bread - it does not work perfectly well, and it is not needed at all !!! To do this, you just need the "pizza" program + hand shaping into a ball + 2-2.5 hours of simple proofing in the switched off bread maker + the baking itself 1.10 hours. I have never had any punctures with black bread - the bread rose high, never fell off and was baked well with a beautiful flat roof! With all this, Kenwood 450 copes with it perfectly !!! And according to the program, he does not come out so high and even.
Unfortunately, if you really do not need to touch white bread in a bread maker when baking from beginning to end and you do not need to follow, then if you want a handsome rye man, then you will have to get your hands dirty once.

In general, the presence of a large number of programs is all so relative. As a result, you use several basic ones. I used to use the Panasonic 2.5-hour program for the test, now I switched to the Kenwood "pizza" 1.3 hours - the difference in the dough for pies, pies, rolls ... I didn't notice - the dough was equally risen, well-mixed, well, just identical - why wait 2.5 hours?
And the presence of a separate program for dumplings? What for? All the time I used the Panasonic pizza program 45min - the result was always excellent!
It would be better if the manufacturers did not programming 5 programs, but programming and visual observation of the temperature!

There is only one difference. this is the presence of programming, and even then they bake with it

Why toil then? If you don’t need it, don’t use it (there are plenty of programs), if you need it, then it’s worth once or twice with instructions to program step by step and everything. I actually have DeLongs and I cannot imagine that it wouldn’t be possible to program. (even in the cartoon, I miss it) And Kenwood looked at the future, because I really like it outwardly. Programming there is a little less convenient, but not terribly difficult. You can master everything, in the end household appliances are designed not for programmers and engineers, but for ordinary average housewife

Everything does this, but if it were possible to program Baking for so many minutes, then Stewing for so many (or Pilaf, or ...) In general, combine modes

[Kenwood BM450]

Tell me which program is in Kenwood BM450 choose for baking rye and wheat-rye.

The instructions do not write about rye bread.

Thank you in advance

[Kenwood BM450]

Tell me which program is in Kenwood BM450 choose for baking rye and wheat-rye.
The instructions do not write about rye bread.
Thank you in advance

Rye is easy to bake according to the program, read here:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=9345.0

[Kenwood BM450]

Tell me which program is in Kenwood BM450 choose for baking rye and wheat-rye.

program "pizza" + hand shaping into a ball (if you want the most beautiful loaf) + 2-2.5 hours of simple proofing in the switched off bread maker + baking itself 1.10 hours. I have never had any punctures with black bread - the bread rose high, never fell off and was baked well with a beautiful flat roof!

I bake rye on the main program (white bread), I just add rye to white flour, the proportions are always in the mood. But even with a small amount, the taste is already different ... I like to experiment))) and it seems to me that without this I can't cope with the bread maker

Good day to all!!! All night I read your reviews, suggestions about HP. As a result, in the morning I ordered a Kenwood 450. I already rewrote a sea of ​​recipes, I hope I will start experimenting in the evening.
There is still a small question: can I use the stove 2 times a day? We have 6 children and I'm afraid one loaf will be too small for us.

[ZHIRULKA]

ZHIRULKA tell me what recipe you use to bake rye bread.

Good day to all!!! All night I read your reviews, suggestions about HP. As a result, in the morning I ordered a Kenwood 450. I already rewrote a sea of ​​recipes, I hope I will start experimenting in the evening.
There remains a small question: can I use the stove 2 times a day? We have 6 children and I'm afraid one loaf will be too small for us.

Of course you can, you just need to let it cool completely!

[ZHIRULKA]

ZHIRULKA tell me what recipe you use to bake rye bread.

Very often I used to bake this bread from Admin:
"Wheat-rye bread on dough from Admin"
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=3626.0
And now I came across the site of a young man and thanks to his site and detailed instructions I have grown a real rye sourdough and bake according to his recipes with live sourdough. And only now I have tasted a truly delicious, aromatic real rye bread! Rye without sourdough loses so much in taste, you can't even imagine texture!

can i use the stove 2 times a day? We have 6 children and I'm afraid one loaf will be too small for us.

you can 5 times a day and one more night (this is taking into account that baking is 2.5 hours and let the bread maker cool for 20-30 minutes)

Hello everyone! I have a sad event. Today the Kenwood bm450 stove I bought 2 months ago (I wrote about this above) has ordered a long life. It was used extremely carefully and in a very moderate mode (they baked bread about once every three days, or even less often). Last night I put the usual white bread, a small loaf, on the timer to be baked in the morning. In the morning we wake up - the stove is still kneading. At first I thought that over time on the timer was mistaken. I come to the kitchen, the stove is kneading in full. The screen does not light up and does not respond to any buttons. Danced around with a tambourine - it did not help. As a result, I turned off the power button on the back of the stove. After that, the stove did not turn on again. So now you have to contact the service under warranty. I will be able to tell you about this exciting lesson. I looked at the addresses of the service centers in the warranty card. The overwhelming majority (almost all but one) are M-Video service centers, about which I have heard a lot of bad and little good. And almost all of them are closer to the center of Moscow (and I live in the region). I tried to call the service department at the Kenwood dealership to see if there are service centers closer to me. There, without even listening to me to the end, they politely, but somehow very unfriendly advised me to look at the list of service centers in the warranty card. In general, as I find time, I will go to give ... All this is unpleasant, of course. It's a pity to waste your time on all these procedures. After all, now we need to take her away, they will take her away, I think for at least a month, then we need to go there to pick up the stove, or the act on the impossibility of repair. And if the act, then still go to the store, write a statement so that the money is returned, or another stove was given. And all this time to buy and eat bread from the store, from which I have already lost the habit. In general, I will write.

Vert0let, it’s a pity that it happened (((But you don’t lose hope, you will definitely still eat your bread. us in the know. Maybe someone will help you

[Vert0let,]

Vert0let, if it cannot be repaired, take the money back and buy boldly a Panasonic - this horse will surely not let you down! If it is not possible to change the bread maker, then Panasonic is better, of course, definitely more reliable! And this Kenwood 450 is beautiful, yes, but otherwise ...

[ZHIRULKA]

ZHIRULKA , what does it mean ... otherwise ...? You also have a Kenwood 450. What does not suit you, if not a secret?

[ZHIRULKA,]

ZHIRULKA,
Yes, I know Panasonic. We used 255 for three years, now my mother-in-law has it. We bought Kenwood two months ago. However, I still can't decide which is better. Kenwood has a huge plus: the possibility of programming, a beautiful steel body and, to be honest, I liked the bread from Kenwood more ... it turns out to be so fine-pored and soft-soft, even tender. But the reliability was not up to par. And yet, the controls are not as elementary as in Panasonic, which is not so convenient.Panasonic also bakes the bread is wonderful, super-convenient control, reliable, but the body has already turned yellow in places, for some reason the bread overcooks a little and sometimes you still want to change the program a little, but this cannot be done.
In general, perhaps a little more like Kenwood. But from a breakdown an unpleasant aftertaste, so if the repair is impossible and the money will be returned, then I will most likely take a proven Panas.

Maybe someone knows, service centers where you can take Kenwood under warranty, closer to Khimki, or North-West of Moscow?

What doesn't suit you, if not a secret?

I have already written above my impression of Kenwood 450, and there are so many pros and cons to write the same thing. I would honestly not buy it if I chose between the reliability and beauty of the model - definitely Panasonic would, since a beautiful designer toy was bought more. And only because my husband promised to buy a new Panasonic if this one does not like it. And I didn't want to buy a really plastic case from Panasonic, because my old 253 model with a metal case was, and now 254, 255 are plastic

I have been using it for 3 months now and I can say (or confirm the words of others) this:
- it is very large in size (as it seems to me, probably the largest of the bread makers). So, if you don't have enough space, it won't suit you.
- it is very, very noisy (Panasonic is generally silent in comparison). The TV set in the kitchen, as used to watching, is difficult - you can not hear anything.
- and this loud click of the dispenser and a rather loud beep twenty times with an interval of a couple of seconds, five peaks (specially counted) with a reminder of throwing additives with any batch, honestly speaking, "slightly" crushes on the nerves. For example, I often put bread for the night - so that I would be ready by the morning, and so - I close the door from the kitchen (one closed door from the kitchen was enough for Panasonic) and the door in the bedroom and I'll tell you all the sounds come if you don't sleep well (yes Our apartment is not very small, and if someone has some kind of Khrushchev thread, then I don't envy them). I can only imagine how my neighbors at night. And if you have a sensitive sleep or have a small child, think well.
- and the menu - if a person is not very friendly with technology or is already far away in age, then this model is not for him - it’s very twisted for sure!

So, if you are not afraid of the above and very low reliability factor of this model, then feel free to take it, because it has a lot of interesting things!

Hello everybody. I read the whole topic in one gulp ... And still I chose Panasonic 255. I was surprised that the SD-255 is in one online store in a metal case (a typo or something ...?), In another - in a plastic one. But the SD-255WTS is already in a plastic case. There are still some differences between these HPs. I am sorry if I missed something in this thread. Thank you.
How I wanted to become a happy owner of Kenwood! But, I'm afraid, all the neighbors will be provided with insomnia, because the HP will stand on an insulated loggia.

oja Panasonic 255 is only in a plastic case, for Kenwood I will not say, but Panasonic works for me in a cold kitchen at a pace. air in winter + 12 * C, I think only due to leveling temp. bread and it turns out

oja Panasonic 255 is only in a plastic case, for Kenwood I will not say, but Panasonic works for me in a cold kitchen at a pace. air in winter + 12 * С

Thank you, great news !!! On the loggia below +10 (in the most severe frosts) does not happen.
Now I would also like to understand the bookOFFs

oja Only SD-255WTS is supplied to Russia and other letters for other countries, and without letters, it's just a lazy manager

oja And the neighbors will be sincerely sorry to inhale the aromas of fresh bread, the test is still

oja And the neighbors will be sincerely sorry to inhale the aromas of fresh bread, the test is still

And here it is not at all a pity :) They cannot pass the test, let them take an example from me.
I resisted for a long time, until last weekend I tried homemade bread. Yes, even yesterday I accidentally wandered into this forum ...

I bought "Kenwood BM450" on March 8, since I am a designer in everything, I took the corresponding HP.From everything I read about "Kenwood BM450" I mostly agree, this is a stove for connoisseurs of beauty and sophistication, my IMHO, but I did not use other stoves and therefore I can not say anything bad, I can say, or rather show the first bread that my mother made today, and I'm afraid that nothing will be left of 1,250g of bread by tomorrow evening, so tomorrow night I will bake it myself for Monday to take it with me to work))))))))) I will share the peculiarity of baking: bread was made in the program "6 "on KILO, with a fried crust (3), and came out at the exit (15 minutes after removing from the oven) the scales showed 1250 gr. Is this how it should be, or was it necessary to weigh it before use? The cap is not brown, you see the dough has risen high, so the next bread will be 700 gr. - Wish me good luck!!!!!

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I'll post it later)))))))

StillS, welcome to our slender ranks the first bread was a success - keep it up!

[StillS]

StillS, welcome to our ranks!
The bread looks delicious!

I will share the peculiarity of baking: bread was made in the program "6" on KILO, with a fried crust (3)

Program 6 these are baked goods for ready-made mixtures.
You looked like a brioche, which you had to bake on the program 4- sweet bread.
As for the crust, I always put "medium".
If you have brioche, then the maximum you need to take flour is 450g. 750 gr. of bread.
And then, it depends on what kind of flour you have. It happened to me that for the weight of a loaf - 750g, the loaf supported the lid of the HP and the top was not baked.
Now I don't risk it. I put flour only 350 gr. And it always turns out great.

[StillS]

StillS, welcome to our ranks!
The bread looks delicious!

Program 6 these are baked goods for ready-made mixtures.
You looked like a brioche, which you had to bake on the program 4- sweet bread.
As for the crust, I always put "medium".
If you have brioche, then the maximum you need to take flour is 450g. 750 gr. of bread.
And then, it depends on what kind of flour you have. It happened to me that for the weight of a loaf - 750g, the loaf supported the lid of the HP and the top was not baked.
Now I don't risk it. I put flour only 350 gr. And it always turns out great.

Mmmmmm - exactly the recipe for Brioche Buns and it says "program 6", so now I'll do it myself))) I'll post the result in the evening!

[StillS]

Mmmmmm - exactly the recipe for Brioche Buns and it says "program 6", so now I'll do it myself))) I'll post the result in the evening!

StillS, everything is written correctly. I'm not careful. I still don't know which model of my HP.
Otherwise, I wrote everything correctly. About the amount of flour for brioche.
Good bread for you!

Good day! Yesterday I bought myself a Kenwood 450. I spent a week browsing the Internet, reading specifications, reviews. But as I liked the 450 at first sight, I stopped at it after all the searches. The first bread was excellent !!!!

but my personal work !!!!!
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though when the dispenser worked - I was scared, I was in another room and when he clicked, so to speak, I was blown up into the kitchen, until eventually I realized that it was a DISPENSER, be it wrong))))) with this node, the engineers clearly did not finalize , somehow it turned out not in European style)))))

Just at 450, the dispenser works well! Unlike 255, according to reviews. At 450 and in delonghi, he abruptly and 2 times in a row throws out everything that is laid. Of all the bread makers, the most normal dispenser. And the sound is as it should be to pour out.

[Rem]

Rem, what is wrong with the dispenser in Panasonic? And how does it fold 2 times ... did he fold, close and fold again?

[Rem]

Rem Something I first hear about the problem with the dispenser in Panasonic And what may not work there? The solenoid presses the button, the dispenser cover opens under its own weight and the weight of the products and everything is poured into the HP Just like a "rake". The inside of the dispenser is covered with Teflon, so that products in the form of fresh herbs or fatty sausages stick less

1.Panasonic 255 - from the dispenser (in the messages of users) the laid products sometimes do not fall into the bucket, but to the bottom of the cotton and to the heating element.
2.In delonghi 125, the dispenser is triggered 2 times - 2 rare loud clicks. The voltage is then applied to the magnet coil 2 times with an interval of about 1 second.

[Rem]

Rem The first statement is wrong.
The solenoid is triggered once in any hp with a dispenser, and the sound is a click from the solenoid, and the second from the cover

Good day to everyone!
I'm new to bread makers and baking, there is no oven yet, but there will definitely be a Panasonic 255 (this is solved), the problem remains where to buy. In our city they are not, but the neighbors of Poles or Germans probably have them, it is closer to them than to take from Moscow. I heard that European and our stoves are different, but I don't know how? I don’t know if I’ll deal with it, it will not be in Russian. Please advise what to do?

There are programs in European Panasonic:
basic, whole grain, French, Italian, sandwich, rye, pizza, pastries
In models for the CIS:
basic, dietary, rye, French, gluten-free, jam, pizza, dumplings, bakery products.

There is an instruction in Russian. I think it is quite suitable for European stoves. And different programs can either be found and translated in the English instructions (German, French), or used by analogy. The inscriptions on the buttons should be translated once and simply remembered.

Thank you very much, this difference is quite frustrating for me, I will only have to talk about translation. And wait until finally I have the stove.

Thank you very much, this difference is quite frustrating for me, I will only have to talk about translation. And wait until finally I have the stove.

Why bother with translation? The site has instructions for this stove, download and that's it. And the inscriptions on the stove are also not in Russian. Therefore, in general, there is no problem ... the same would be received here (the instructions have all the names in Russian and the designation of each button)

And the inscriptions on the stove are not in Russian either.

I have all the designations in Russian on the 255m Panas.

I have all the designations in Russian on the 255m Panas.

In my English ... nothing ... it was not scary
And in another - in German ... I also bake without problems

-sazalexter-
about the Delonghi 125 dispenser: I made a small experiment - I took a reed switch, stuck it on the place where the coil of the electromagnet is located. I connected the reed switch to the tester and into the measurement mode R. I switched on the operating mode, all attention to the arrow of the device. Registered 2 (two) reed switch actuations! Interval ~ 1 second. All.