Kenwood BM450 vs Panasonic 255

She promised to unsubscribe about her saga with the broken Kenwood. It ended successfully today. In SC M., the video service spoiled my nerves a lot. For 45 days, the UNO oven was not repaired, I wrote an application to refuse further repairs and waited a month until they give me a conclusion on the state of the oven with which it can be changed. I would have waited longer if I hadn't run over them threatening them with courts and compensation, because every time I called for this month they carried all sorts of nonsense like "here came a part and we will fix it" "and you did not write any statement", etc. I stood my ground and refused to repair. In the end, I achieved my goal. I began to mentally prepare for the battle with the store. But yesterday I called the online store where I bought it, then sent them a scan of the technical certificate and warranty card by mail, and today they brought me a new oven. I'm shocked. The store, by the way, is called a gift. RU.

... and today they brought me a new oven. I'm shocked.

After all the adventures you are back with the Kenwood BM450.
A good stove in fact.
There is a guarantee for that, so that you can use it.
I remember that they wrote about the desire to change it to another model.
Now I suppose you will continue to please all of us with your new successes.

[hotaru]

hotaru

and I also have a question for Panasonic owners: who has been using the stove for more than a year, hasn't it started to bake your crust more? I read that they make a good, dark crust even on the "light" mode, and for someone in the second year of use, everything began to burn, especially sweet pastries

I have a Panasonic 254 since February this year. Nothing burns. Different sweet pastries give a different crust, for example, the cake from Xentia Lopez is always very, very ruddy, just handsome ... But not burnt. A Very tasty Easter cake from Elena Bo of normal intensity, and if you put a light crust, it will be completely white. But what I noticed - there is a dependence of the color of the crust on the ambient temperature ... It will be cold in the room - the crust will be lighter than usual. At normal temperature - I have 24-25 * - the color of the crust is again "normal".

I’m wondering, what is the reason for services for months so to fool people, running into a very real possibility of litigation? Shouldn't they change the technique? At the same time, the store, for which such a defective stove is a direct loss, solves the issue almost instantly?

I myself do not understand what reason, maybe they are reluctant to repair for free under warranty .... After 45 days have passed, I wrote a refusal to repair in accordance with the ZoZPP, so they immediately found a part they needed for repair. But if I hadn’t talked to them harshly enough and didn’t threaten with the court and didn’t bring a claim, then they would have continued to fool me, I read somewhere on the internet that this is how people who have not read ZoZPP have kept equipment for half a year.

Dear bakers! I already asked in another topic, but it did not help much. It all came down to the Panasonic 255. But in Tallinn there is no such miracle Panasonic, we have almost no choice. I have the opportunity to order Panas in Russia, but this will be without a guarantee and is associated with transportation problems. I am still inclined to Kenwood 450. And here on the forum they scare and that the bucket is crooked and that the dispenser is noisy, but how are you? What do you think: take the Kenwood tit in Estonia or the Panasonic crane from Russia or Europe (by the way, the European collection may not have those programs that are so praised here).

Glykoza - in the throes of choice

I would not say that a bucket is crooked in my kenwood or it makes a noise during kneading, although when at night it starts signaling that it is necessary to add nuts, etc., it sometimes wakes up, it has a very persistent and loud signal. If there is an opportunity to order Panas from Europe, order - as a rule, for Europe, the assembly is better.

it is not known what else will come from this Europe
All the same, I want to bach, they took it, they took it, shook it with my hands, suddenly it’s not so.
And then there is someone to knock on the head

Reasonable, it is possible that Panas also breaks down sometimes. And that there is no one you know who could buy a stove with a guarantee and send it?

[glykoza]

glykoza, in your place I would take a titmouse. I can say that not so long ago I began to think about the second HP and very seriously thought about the Kenwood 450. Now I have no such need.

take the one that has a service center near you - no one is immune from marriage, but when buying equipment from Europe, you will have nowhere to turn ...

glykoza, fugaska gave you good advice. Why be so scared of Ken? I have Panas and Ken, both worthy stoves. Although I like Panas more for baking, Ken adorns the kitchen very much: everything is so metallic, modern, it fits well on the table. He bakes well, there is an interesting toy - the ability to compose programs myself.

Many thanks to everyone, everyone for the advice.
I stop at Kenwood. Hope to join the finished product show soon.

Buy both. (Not a joke). I did so. In the spring, both worked in the city alternately or at the same time, in the summer Panas lived in the country, it was very convenient, now he again came to the city. Ken is stationary in the kitchen (very beautiful), I drag Panas from the room and back, he is convenient for this. But experiments and impressions - the sea.
In any case, you will buy what you like best, so go to the store and look at them.

an_domini well tell me honestly, as a baker, a baker, and the owner of 2 wonderful mechanisms, which of them is better and more reliable? Ken has a dried fruit dispenser or he swears. when should you put it all? Will not wake me up at night?

The dispenser in Ken is loud, even if you do not use it, the stove will click and beep at the appropriate time so that you put something there yourself, if necessary without a dispenser. The dispenser itself is not a very necessary thing, for example, raisins, seeds and candied fruits, you can absolutely safely lay in it right away and not bother. You will not bake complex bread at night anyway, since they require supervision. No problem - it's simple white or French, but in practice, there are always some products left in the refrigerator that need to be attached - so you will have to watch, and it is more interesting to do something new. Night baking is also not for rye bread, so basically the oven works in the morning-afternoon-evening, according to experience, working for 8 hours. on five days they bake bread mainly on weekends for variety. To completely switch to home, if you need a lot of it, you need to have time to stay at home, as with any home activity.

[SchuMakher]

SchuMakher We bake bread every day, mostly on a timer at night, on weekends and holidays 2-3 times a day. Wheat-rye bread 60-40, different varieties of wheat. You do not need to follow it with a used recipe

So Panas is preferable? I sit at home with a small one, but I want my elders to bake hot bread in front of school ... In the daytime, it is not really something that can be done on a large-scale .... the small one helps so much in everything that "hold on to the air"! So nightlife awaits us with the stove ... And on weekends all sorts of chibats or something escho thread, well, pies, of course ...

Everyone praises their stove (I'm no exception - an excellent machine, I can't complain), but you have to choose on your own Both Panas and Ken are very good stoves, in about the same price category. But I personally prefer Kenwood for one very little reason - his program is clearly spelled out, every minute. Ie.if there is preheating for half an hour, it lasts exactly half an hour; if there is no heating, the batch starts from the first minute. In general, I clearly know at what time my oven will beep, knead the dough, or start baking.
if you have a desire, a need and, most importantly, an opportunity, then you can buy both stoves. but if you have to choose - only the one that you like best. compare the technical characteristics of both stoves, add your design preferences and make your choice. you will be satisfied with your new home assistant anyway

The Kenwood BM450 has little features that will probably tip the scales. This is a window and a backlight, which is very convenient.
And yet, Kenwood BM450 can be independently programmed for almost any recipe.
The rest of the stoves are identical.

Yes, they are not entirely identical. They have different programs for baking bread. For example, French in Panas is 6 hours, in Qena - a maximum of 3 hours 44 minutes. And this is a different result, checked, put it on the forum for comparison, the people agreed. Favorite programs in Ken, of course, are good, but there are also restrictions on the ascent time, which makes it impossible to make a program completely on your own. Shorter modes (for example, dough - 1 hour 30 in Ken, 2 hours 20 - in Panasa) sometimes do not give the bread time to rise, you have to stop, then turn on baking. Sometimes it is convenient not to have a preliminary temperature equalization time - in this Ken is more convenient, although in Panas you can combine from different programs. But Ken looks really cool in the kitchen, good design. The window in it is not important, this topic has been discussed many times on the forum. But, by and large, both stoves are very worthy, in my kitchen they successfully complement each other: now in Kena dough is being made for buns, and in Panas - wheat-rye bread, after all, the temperature on rye is higher in it, it rises higher.

I also often bake rye bread at night, although I don’t work at all, I would like to have warm bread for breakfast in the morning. The dispenser beeps relatively loudly and woke me up a couple of times, despite the fact that my bedroom is far from the kitchen, and I couldn't figure out what it was beeping and whether it was a signal that a filter was leaking in a half-ton aquarium.
The window and lighting are yes, very convenient, I try not to open the oven while raising the dough and baking, but I want to see something, especially at first. And the ability to program doesn't hurt. In general, you need to look at these stoves, turn them around, touch them and choose the one that you like.

Here's the catch, that outwardly I like Ken, but in terms of Panas's functions ... well, how to burst? I think to start with Panas ... otherwise Ken will wake me up with a trifle in odnushka ... Wish me luck ...

ShuMakher, a good choice, Panas is reliable. Quickly to the store and good luck!

I'm looking for somewhere cheaper .... And in Eldorada you can buy and do I need to take a program of additional services?

[SchuMakher]

SchuMakher

Additional program service is usually not needed if the unit is working at first, so it will work for 3 years.

[SchuMakher]

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Favorite programs in Ken, of course, are good, but there are also restrictions on the ascent time, which makes it impossible to make a program completely on your own. Shorter modes (for example, dough - 1 hour 30 in Kena, 2 hours 20 - in Panasa) sometimes do not give bread time to rise, you have to stop, then turn on baking.
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Nobody forces you to compare and use the standard set of programs (they are often far from bakers). This flaw also fixes the programmability. Kenwood-BM450 even has five programmable modes with a maximum dough rise time of 5 hours, and two short deboning during this time of 15 seconds. do not have a serious effect on the rise, although the scapula, if you really want to get away from this, can be pulled out immediately after the kneading.
About the color of the crust - up to 90 minutes of baking allows you to get almost any color.

Here's the catch, that outwardly I like Ken, but in terms of Panas's functions ... well, how to break? I think to start with Panas ....otherwise Ken will wake me up with a trifle in odnushka ... Wish me luck ...

SchuMakherCould you please explain what features of the Panasonic 255 do you like better than the Kenwood BM450?

Nobody forces you to compare and use the standard set of programs (they are often far from being made by bakers).

Well, we've arrived! The topic is precisely called so that people are interested in comparing these CPs (see the title). They (people) need to choose! And they (people) just need different opinions of different users. They will read mine, then yours, themselves make their choice.
And about the programmed Kenwood regime, if I'm not mistaken, we have already discussed with you, and our opinions diverged. Let's stick to our opinions and not fight to the death for our beliefs. In this topic, this is not necessary, people read and figure it out themselves.

Really why run to the Eldorado? I have been buying all the equipment in online stores for a long time - I go to the Yandex market and choose the store where at the moment what I need is cheaper, well, so that the reviews about the store are normal and forward. By the way, the online store changed my broken stove to me without any problems, as I wrote above, and immediately. I am very happy with all the purchases made this way and have already saved a lot of money. Now I'm sitting there picking up a refrigerator.

but I am always interested in the question - how can a stove wake up with its squeak? I have a one-room apartment, two small children and not a single door (well, in the sense there is only an entrance, a toilet and a bathroom). no stove, no slow cooker, no microwave - no equipment wakes me up, no children, no husband, not even my mother! Mom sometimes stays at my place for the night, but she sleeps very lightly, even a candle in the corridor will interfere with her sleep - she never woke up!
Honestly, not for the sake of a mockery, I just can't understand in any way, do you really have SO noisy stoves squeak?

no, well, sleep is different for all people, someone is lightly asleep, and someone - "at least they fell into a cannon." I have a nursery next to the kitchen, so the child does not care - the stove beeps, the washing machine is squeezing out or the dishwasher gurgles. But the stove woke me up 2 times, it was normal to hear it through the closed door, but it was only 2 times, and it didn't really bother me, although I was scared for the first time, but my friend, for example, has a very sensitive sleep, she sleeps with beads and all the same, a little that wakes up. So whoever has a light sleep, then the squeak of the oven may interfere.

[sazalexter]

sazalexter
Thank you very much ... I looked at everything. I found a summary site for all types of equipment 🔗 there are all Moscow internet shops with prices ...

Vanya28 well, for example, kneading several types of dough .... And then, I choose, and do not say that something is better or worse, you can compare already having something and having experience in this, and I only compare the descriptions and reviews ... For example, Ken squeaking in the middle of the night, bothers me, because during the day you run so much that unnecessary wakes up to nothing, and leaving a squeaking miracle is wrong ... it can be offended ...

[fugaska]

fugaska

Ken256 has a rather sharp signal, it is repeated about 10 times, and in Hit303 - the signal is much softer and quieter, it is repeated 3 times.

[SchuMakher]

SchuMakher Panasonic 255 is generally silent, only when bread is ready, it beeps several times, very quiet, this is a feature of all Panasonic technology, microwave ovens, etc. etc

sazalexter thank you very much for your responsiveness! : flowers: Here's another poll .... as I understood it is better for Panas to buy scales for weighing everything he eats? Just measure worse by the yardstick?

[SchuMakher]

SchuMakher Scales are needed for any HP, and not only for Panasonic, with them there will be fewer errors. We select the scales here https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=420.0

Today I bought a Panas 255 and I'm not fooled!
Has already -

Indelicate question. for a lope, and if in Moscow, then where? Cho baked?

Indelicate question. for a lope, and if in Moscow, then where? Cho baked?

In Kiev, $ 225!
Bakli white fast

[rog6012]

ShuMakher, here rog6012 already bought HP. When we finally hear about your purchase, so many people have already answered your questions and gave advice, it even became interesting, what would you choose? Or is it just chatter?

[rog6012]

ShuMakher, here rog6012 already bought HP. When we finally hear about your purchase, so many people have already answered your questions and gave advice, it even became interesting, what would you choose? Or is it just chatter?

do you offend? Yes? Everyone can offend a mother of many children! And even so, we bought IT today !!! In Eldorad! Panas 255!Standing under the table - resting from a difficult move in a wheelchair with a younger one for 2 metro stations ... Here the walkers came in .... and .... bought ... I'll duck the children and put bread in the morning, after reading everything !!! ! In the morning, hearing the uterine rumbling and chomping, you should know that we are tasting the bread !!!!!

[SchuMakher]

SchuMakher, no one wanted to offend you - regardless of the large number of children. It's just that this story lasted a very long time and not in one topic. And doubts appeared with the change in the style of your posts - they even began to resemble a youth get-together (and not a middle-aged mother) in style, at the beginning of communication they were more classical both in vocabulary and grammar.
Congratulations on your purchase with pleasure, this is a good choice, I hope you will not regret it!

[SchuMakher]

SchuMakher, no one wanted to offend you - regardless of the large number of children. It's just that this story lasted for a very long time and not in one topic. And doubts appeared with the change in the style of your posts - they even began to resemble a youth get-together (and not a middle-aged mother) in style, at the beginning of communication they were more classical both in vocabulary and grammar.
Congratulations on your purchase with pleasure, this is a good choice, I hope you will not regret it!

I answer ....-when there is not a lot of money, then you approach the choice carefully and thoughtfully ...
- I am learning to write like a youth ... it turns out, sometimes ... it is not very easy, given the class with in-depth study of the Russian language, back in the Soviet school, almost 30 years ago ...
But this forum is not about the Russian language, vocabulary and grammar, therefore, thanks for the congratulations! : flowers: Let's continue to communicate on the "great and mighty". but already in other topics ...

(y) Well, I will report to you, this is something !!!! In the morning there is such a smell in the picture !!!! And how delicious !!!! My Panasik works quietly, squeaks intelligently, bakes deliciously! Here's my report !!!! They baked it in the morning, but almost nothing was left ...

[SchuMakher]

SchuMakher
Congratulations on your choice. Did you manage to buy cheaper than average and where.

patrold
bought in Eldorado ... through their online store ... it turned out 6300 and more coupons were given for a discount ...

The people who have Kenwood, does anyone know if it is possible to knead the dough for dumplings in it, or if it will be too much load for her. Something after it burned out, I don’t dare to experiment, suddenly it will burn out again ...

I have kenwood 256th - kneads with a bang

[IrinaVOt]

IrinaVOt

What model are we talking about?

Of course, the one that is being discussed in this thread is 450 ...