Dishwasher malfunctions

About a month ago, the sound when draining has changed.

And is it really a car that "growls"? When I drain the water, it is quite loud in the pipes. I plug the plug in the sink and the sound of the drain becomes much quieter.
I'm not a specialist, of course, just one of the versions.

[Vesna (Julia)]

Vesna (Julia)First, rinse the PMM with a special tool, we will think further there. How do you wash the dishes, how much detergent do you put in?

[Vesna (Julia)]

Vesna (Julia)First, rinse the PMM with a special tool, we will think further there. How do you wash the dishes, how much detergent do you put in?

Alexander, how should the flushing take place? I bought some kind of flat bottle in Fink, but you can't read it there. Just pour this liquid into the powder tray and start a short program?

Anna, is this the finish line? Then simply, remove the sticky check from the cork, turn the bottle upside down, put it in the PMM without dishes, turn on the 70 * C sink, and that's all. At the end, the washed PMM and an empty bottle.

[I always put a whole tablet on a 45 cm typewriter]

And is it really a car that "growls"? When I drain the water, it is quite loud in the pipes. I plug the plug in the sink and the sound of the drain becomes much quieter.

exactly, exactly! this has not happened before. Although the machine is built-in, but something was heard, more often like jets hitting metal. And the pump could only be heard when you were standing nearby. And now there is a strained growl at each drain, starting from switching on, and ending with condensate drain at the end of the cycle.

Vesna (Julia), First, rinse the PMM with a special tool, we will think further there. How do you wash the dishes, how much detergent do you put in?

I started with finish and minel powders (both from METRO), but since I am allergic, I switched to tablets, and for myself I decided that I would take the tablets now only in a soluble shell. Currently, I alternate Fairy Platinum (Finnish - advertised with the PMM purifier function), Finish Quantum Lemon (ours from METRO) and W5 (Finnish in an insoluble shell, I took it on the recommendation on this forum - a comparison table of PMM tablets was given, and these were the first in the ranking). I always put a whole tablet on a 45 cm typewriter... Only when washing the filters from the hood I use the Finish gel (so that the aluminum does not darken), but I wash them separately from other dishes, that is, 2 filters for the entire PMM and the pollution on them is not catastrophic. Mode, with rare exceptions, I choose 70 degrees.
Since our water is very hard, I always use salt and rinse aid when using tablets. The level is set both there and there by one less than the maximum.
From all of the above, I can conclude that it is unlikely that fat deposits are in the PMM. But you think that everything needs specials early. means? As an option to drive out an empty PMM with Fairy Platinum will not work?

Right here 🔗 I found not an explosion-diagram in my usual understanding, but it is very similar to it - page-by-page PDFs by groups of parts. On the 4th page, in addition to the ion exchanger, there is just a drain section. It seems like 2 pumps are indicated, both as one-piece (complete, non-separable) units. But why each of them - until I figured out (((And how to get to them? Who did the master's cars disassemble? It is necessary to push and remove the side panel? And if the bearing is to blame (the husband said that the sound could be such a reason), and the unit is non-separable, will you have to buy the whole pump?

Recently I took apart and washed filters. At the bottom, before the drain, I found 1 cherry bone (in front of the valve, which must be removed according to the instructions for cleaning, further special teeth at the bottom did not let it in) and several very thin long fish bones (inserted into this valve). Nothing prevented the blades from spinning.

In general, according to the logic, limescale should not settle in the dishwasher - it's not for nothing that we put so much salt there ?! But it was necessary to check. A little less than a year ago, I cleaned the PMM with a plaque / stone remover for washing machines and PMM with a drain into a basin for clarity. If small flakes fell out of the washer, then the purest liquid poured out of the PMM. I made sure that such products are necessary for washing machines, but useless for dishwashers.

But I still have something with the brains of the machine, after washing, the pump turns on and does not stop. Every time I have to manually forcibly reset and disconnect. (((Mine is now once a day ... eeeh ...

will have to buy the entire drain pump 00620774

I won't tell you how to get to it, I don't have a service manual. IMHO will have to disassemble the entire PMM, from the front-bottom and from the left panels 0330, 0312 and 0302 p. 3
PS: I would start with cleaning with PMM Finish. There is such a rule: it works, do not touch!

In general, logically, limescale should not settle in the dishwasher.

Mostly body fat due to the use of pills and 1/2 pills. The desire to "save" on washing from our housewives is ineradicable

PS: I would start with cleaning with PMM Finish. There is a rule: it works, don't touch it!

I'm still using it, but the thought weighs in: what if now it can still be corrected with a little blood, and then global measures will have to be applied? Of course I will buy a cleaner.

will have to buy the entire drain pump 00620774

the link that I gave earlier costs about 60 euros. The price is not a new machine, but it is also decent (((And only a little over a year worked (((

Mostly body fat due to the use of pills and 1/2 pills. The desire to "save" on washing from our housewives is ineradicable

I want to clarify once again that, in my opinion, limescale does not form in the PMM, but fatty deposits may well under certain conditions.
Especially 1/2 tablet contributes to this, on the other hand, many people pour a half dose of powder. That is, if there is a desire to "save", then for users, in fact, it is not important what to do it on.
Why do you think that pills are definitely worse than powder? I think they are more technologically advanced.

Why do you think that pills are definitely worse than powder?

The pills are an average remedy, a kind of fast food. This was discussed at the forum many times.
On the site there is no price at all in "funny British pounds" 36.22 GBP = 3307.73 rubles Here is more Divine 🔗 if the price is not pre-crisis.

The pills are an average remedy, a kind of fast food. This was discussed at the forum many times.

I probably missed this moment ((Would you mind giving a link?
until the head does not fit: is it really powder for gourmet machines?
When I read all the information on PMM before, I came to the conclusion that it seems like tablets are an average remedy in relation to salt and rinse aid. Therefore, I do not deprive my machine with these components. But in terms of additives in the detergent composition (according to the quality of washing), tablets look "richer" than ordinary powders. IMHO

[Vesna (Julia)]

Vesna (Julia), https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=116.20 and further https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=27350.1500

But in terms of additives in the detergent composition (according to the quality of washing) tablets look "richer" than conventional powders. IMHO

And why? the main thing is alkali, a lot, a little surfactants and fragrances. PMM will generally wash without detergent, so that the fat does not settle on the PMM parts and alkali is needed, then simple chemistry at the level of grade 10 of high school

A cleaner was used on Saturday. In general, nothing has changed. The husband checked the pump impeller, said there is a slight backlash. Tends to damage the bearing in the pump. But in his opinion, with such a backlash, the pump can work for a long time. We decided to continue operating as it is.Although to me this growl of a car is like a knife in the middle

[Giraffe]

Let me remind you of history

It's time for me to ask a question. PMM hotpoint ariston LSF723. Periodically, drawing water for the first rinse, after standing and thinking. just drains it. The last rinse is normal. Yesterday I tried on another program, for dirty dishes, 2 intermediate rinses just drained the water, the last one is normal. And then all the stages go fine.

Giraffe, Tatyana, how old is the typewriter? It produces a sink but rinses once, correctly understood? Are the dishes hot when washing? Check the filters, just in case the PMM rocker arms rotate easily, make cleaning a good product. If it does not help, call the master, it looks like the pressure switch is dead or its tubes are clogged, maybe a temperature sensor, cannot determine the temperature, that's it. Control unit as an option.

PMM has definitely been there for three years, or rather I can say later, documents are in the couch, and I myself cannot get into it. I'll wait for my husband. The dishes are hot after washing and drying. The first water, after washing, is drained hot and the last one too. And it shouldn't be hot in between rinses. At first glance, the rocker arms rotate as usual.
Do we have any discussions about cleaning, which is better? although it is necessary to see what we generally have on this subject for sale.
But she does not always do this, the cycles also go through normally.

According to the specified data from the typewriter, in December it turned 4 years old, went the fifth ...

Call the master, IMHO temperature sensor.

I drove it out with citric acid, problems arose less often, but, at the end of March, they became more frequent. The machine could think for a very long time before starting the first wash, then it could draw water and not rinse, but after a while it could drain. Then I could not turn on the last rinsing and drying, while the water is collected and drained off normally. Periodically, a noise was heard, as if the water began to heat up with a tenth and calmed down. Sometimes there was a slight smell of heating insulation or something like that. It began to seem to me that the temperature of the hot water became lower when draining.

In general, I called the service and it was decided to call the wizard for diagnostics at home, the difference in price is not big, so at least I can't drag the machine. I came, listened, turned on the program, the machine took water, started washing ... I wrote out a conclusion that it was technically sound. it is not clear what the money was paid for, because then, on the same program, all other cycles did not go.

On March 31, they took the car to the service. Described everything I know in great detail. April they called me and said that everything was in order with the machine. I even asked about the condition of the shade and filters, everything is clean. When I asked if I follow the typewriter well, they said that it was good. I insisted that they check again ...

We had it somehow ... The computer is under warranty, there were problems ... One genius, whose child I was treating, said that 99.99% is a problem and quite serious in the video card. They took us away ... They drove the computer to us for three days and said that everything was fine, but Tanya, for you, I was worried about what Timofey said ...
In general, by the end of the day they called us and said that yes, they identified the problem. How they suffered after repairing with replacement, something slyly happened there ... and I imagined how much we flew in, the warranty soon ended.

This is so, a lyrical digression. PMM has long been out of warranty, but I need to know what's wrong with it, whether it makes sense to repair it or look for a new one ... The master said that the model is good and the assembly is Polish. so if possible, it is better to renovate. I also have a washing machine, if you need a replacement, I don't know why ...
Interestingly, the exact same PMM in the store is on sale for almost the same price. that I bought mine, almost 5 years ago. And it wasn't cheap.

[Giraffe]

Giraffe, Insist on your own, much like a temperature sensor or control unit. The heating element is heating, the temperature is abnormal, the roof of the car goes, it drains the water.

Sometimes there was a slight smell of heating insulation

focus on this, let them look for the source of the smell. It can be a heating element sealant and burning tracks in the printed circuit board of the control unit near the relay.
I know that services control units do not like (do not know how) to repair, if the diagnosis is confirmed, I will write what to do.

They said that all the capacitors are normal, all the insulation is intact. I do not understand how they checked, but they say that they started several cycles and everything is going fine. So it happened with me, several cycles passed normally.
I asked about the electronic board, they said fine. I'm waiting for a call from them, today they promised to report ...
I put a piece of paper with the proposed options written down by the phone

I didn’t wait for the call, I called myself. In general, the machine is simply driven in cycles and that's it. The electronics were not even opened, they are waiting for the machine to give an error. Considering that they don't drive her around the clock, and I'm not even sure that they drive full cycles (water costs money). And I don’t know how many times she was even driven away. there they have everything crammed with typewriters and PMM and washing machines, where can they turn on and connect everything to the sewer .... Yes, considering that it used to work normally .... "My" assumptions about the reasons caused attacks of light aggression, and I realized that it was just a "fool" from their point of view, who creeps into their own business. They even doubted my ability to check the voltage (in the presence of two electrician parents).
In general, after work, we're going to pick up the car, but what's next ...

Schaub I lived like this .. five minutes - a thousand rubles. Let me remind you that the problem was in the constantly suction pump. First on long programs, then on short ones. The master came and pressed the Reset button for a long time, that is, he overloaded it and that's it. He promised that he would work.

Nuuu, my soul could not resist poet mine is this behavior .. one cycle washes. three days worth thinking .. for tomorrow she called the same master .. will do a brain diagnosis.

So yesterday I again took mine to the service. I worked for 10 days without glitches and again. This time they decided to look at the board ... I'm waiting for a call ...

[Giraffe]

Giraffe, sIstraaaa !!! I, too, will wait for what he will say .. kakbe is already used to washing with my hands ... but the very fact of the presence and non-work of PMM enrages !!!

Washing with hands is one thing ... Every time I think about how much I could do useful or just relax during this time.

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, just about, and I can not choose the time to start buying a new dishwasher. Since autumn But, as a temporary PM, she adapted the hands of the muSha

[Giraffe]

Giraffe, and I had no means for washing for two weeks (we have twice as much as in the Metro, but there was no time to get there, but the toad is big)). So I washed with handles and realized that I stain the dishes less, and I get pleasure. But most likely she got pleasure from something exotic - make me wash the dishes!

[Vinochek]

Vinochek, I have my own house, there is no hot water supply. The plumbing is running in such a way and the washing area in the kitchen is located so that you cannot hang titanium. Just imagine how much pleasure I am?
And it’s you alone that dirty the dishes less, and my son, when he starts to cook, uses dishes at least twice as much as I would, or even more.
Mine, of course, I used to live without PMM. Only at the same time, I definitely use more water and heating the water is also worth it, well, no one canceled the detergent. And spend part of your life washing dishes ...
Somehow, almost in the first days after the acquisition of PMM, during its work, my daughter and I carried out an order to decorate the region. The traffic police for the new year and then announced the amount earned to her husband. He was impressed.

[Giraffe]

Giraffe, I also live in my house. And for the first time I bought a small instantaneous storage water heater. It was worth something inexpensive. They are sold in 2 versions: for the kitchen with a built-in tap and for the shower with a hose and a hand shower. I had the 1st option. For bathing, we took water and poured it into a suspended canister (there is a fitting with a hose and a watering can).And there was happiness! Only under such conditions did I agree to live there. Now we have everything - a toilet and shower cubicle and cars ...

Well, what .. the diagnosis is announced - supposedly protection against leaks is triggered, it is not repaired on site, it is necessary to take it to the service. Repair from 3000 rubles ... in the worst case - under the bedside table ... eeeeh, the new most budgetary 22000 ... went to Avito, there is a dominance of refurbished second-hand .. there is an Electrolux for 6000, the pump was changed, but the repaired ones are streaming me .. ...

Yes, Ksyusha, prices for equipment today ... I saw the most budgetary option in Eldorado (I look at the dacha) - Electrolux 45 cm for 17,000.

Manyash, that is not the right word .. I have a desktop Ardo at my dacha ... I think that I will endure the summer ... and in the fall it may become cheaper ... And Eldorado, I'm afraid, I bought small equipment several times there, and all the time some jambs. (((

I understand that now I will write nonsense. But still. This is an experience, suddenly someone will come in handy. My Bosch dishwasher is two years old. Yesterday I was probably already out of arrogance, out of impunity (maybe the machine spoiled me, it works like a faithful soldier). In general, I loaded it into five previously unsoaked jars after jam and a small jar of invert syrup (I could not pick it out, because it had already turned to stone in the refrigerator, I thought it would dissolve in the dishwasher). What I expected was, apparently, for it to break. She did not disappoint and broke down. The syrup did not dissolve, but settled on the drain hole, plugged the drain and shut off the motor. When I came to the kitchen, she not only smelled of burnt winding, but also blinked with all the buttons. I am of course to blame. What to do, I repented, calculated the cost of repairing the drain motor, fell into horror and left to smoke.
On her return, she turned it on again. The dishwasher is standing, no longer even buzzing, does not react to anything, all the buttons blink at the same time. I removed the external filter. I took out a small filter. She turned over the drain turntable with her hand (in the washing machine this is also on the drain), she fluttered. I sent my husband to the first floor to the hardware store for a plunger. I put it on the drain hole, two clicks and the filter struck with a noise, air came out. The dishwasher is faster than it was, it drains in the way that it did not drain before))) The Germans would know))) Verdict - Bosch is unkillable. Even in the hands of Russian housewives with a plunger.

[yaKachka]

yaKachka, Thank you! A very rewarding experience. First, do not put fossil jars in the dishwasher. Secondly, arm yourself with a plunger. And we will be happy!

[gala10]

gala10, that's for sure))) What came over me with these banks, But what's interesting is the feeling that after that time, on the contrary, her brains seemed to be in place: she began to drain more vigorously, faster, and even on time. Previously, at the end of the cycle, it first dried and only then drained, now it drains, dries, then drains the remains. From the first days of purchase, I noticed for her that she did not wash it off before drying, but now she does everything as it should. It looks like she just lacked a plunger)))

it was the plunger that was missing

When my technique starts to be capricious, I tell her that I will throw it on ... and buy a new one. All! He removes all the whims as if by hand!

He removes all the whims as if by hand

Right!!! I also had this a couple of times, moreover, my husband was sure that it was me ... in the sense of finally First, a new blender in the middle of work stalled, I was going to take it back to the store, took out a box, a check, turned it on before leaving the house, - it started working ... Then a vacuum cleaner. She told her husband that it was time to throw him out (the old one is already, it is logical that he broke down). I brought it to the kitchen to show that it does not turn on, plugged it into the outlet ... it worked

I took my assistant from repairs today. From April 20, they drove her and waited for a failure. There was no failure, nothing else was done. So I think, maybe the car wants to be rolled around the city from time to time?

[Tatyana]

maybe the machine wants to be rolled around the city from time to time?

Tatyana, practice shows that with the technique it is necessary to be stricter!

My identity is still working, mmm. But I already told her about the plunger.

When turned on, the dishwasher made a sound that was not there before (such a slight hum) and the buttons are now pressed in a wrong way, also with a sound. For me, this case was silent. I washed the dishes normally.
But I understood that there is no point in going to the service, if anything. Nobody checked her brains and were not going to.

So I think, maybe the car wants to be rolled around the city from time to time?

The printer did this for me, it did not work at home twice, but in the service, after pressing the reset, it began to print. So I began to shake him at home, as if we were driving, since the weight is small. So, after five minutes "over the bumps", the printer starts working like a nice little one.
Apparently, some kind of contact is moving away.

It won't work with a dishwasher. Yesterday I asked where the reset button was in case of a failure, they said that it was just to turn off the network for a while. But the whole point is that I always turn it off after work and in case of whims it did not work.

So I think, maybe the car wants to be rolled around the city from time to time?

Oh, and we had such a story too! Only with a refrigerator. So he thundered, horror. They did everything with him, and set up, and regulate, level, and much more. They decided to float him to the village for his relatives, decided that his hum would not interfere in a large private house. So what? While it was taken + rural roads, they brought it in, installed it, and it does not hum at all, and then it worked for a very long time and silently.
And we suffered with him for so many years!

I have such a problem: during washing, the powder is not completely washed out, some of it sticks firmly to the powder tray. The dishes remain dirty. Previously, it was rare, just repeated the wash. Today, when washing again, it is the same, that is, a system error. At the same time, when loading the powder, the trays for it are dry, the powder is not wetted before washing. Candy trio machine (+ stove, + oven). Washing cycle - not fast, normal degree of soiling. And they turned off the hot water. Just in case, I will add (although this has nothing to do with the problem) - I recently cleaned the car with the Finish liquid.

Maybe the water pressure is weak. Or the rocker arms are hammered.

Guys, I read here that it is not recommended to use pills ... but you can find out why? Or throw a link, pliz ... I've been using the PPM for only a month, a beginner, so to speak ...

use pills ... or you can find out why

car repairmen say that the most expensive tablets are worse than the cheapest powder-rinse-salt. That is, it is better to use everything separately.
I won't throw the link, because only from their words and experience))

I worked for a year without any complaints, and yesterday I washed my car, I looked in to see how much time was left until the end, and she blinks with all the buttons, error dash20, problem with the drain. I turned it off, turned on the short program, everything is ok. In the morning I put on a short program, in the evening I came, the time is on, that she has 16 minutes left, but she stood silently, the dishes are clean, but the smell is musty and the water is at the level of the filter. The filter itself is clean, I removed the grate, nothing too. How to clean and check the drain? Electrolux is a desktop machine, but it stands under the sink, merges into the wiring together with the sink and the washing machine ...

PMM Bosch, the "washing dishes" indicator flashes Like a brush like this icon. Who knows what that means? I didn't find anything in the instructions

Kind people!!! I ask for your help .... PMM Beko dfs 2531 .... nothing foreshadowed trouble, but last night, I threw the dishes, turned on the soaking and went to bed. In the morning, I found that all the dishes were dry, and the car was able to fill it with water, after 5 minutes it drained the water ... and so on in a circle without stopping ... What could have happened to her? She's not even two years old ((((Thanks in advance ...

[Catherine]

Catherine, I have the same machine and a similar problem ... try to turn on the machine and press the Reset button for 10 seconds, the program should drop .. if it doesn't help, turn off the machine, turn it on again and repeat the procedure with the button.

did not help ..... threw off the program, merged, typed and again it is silent ... did it twice .... Really kaput?

Silent, in the sense of the program does not start ?? try to run another program.