Dishwasher selection (2)

Jefry, this model is Beko DFN 6611. I didn't bother about the build-in or lack of it. I decided that if there was no installation, then it would also suit me. Now, apparently, no. The problem is, in fact, in my carelessness: the overall dimensions of this machine were indicated at 85 * 60 * 62 cm and I, apparently ("with joy in the goiter stole my breath") confused the width and depth, and maybe I did not confuse (now I have not I remember how many sites I searched in search of information), because on many sites the dimensions for this model are 85x60x57 cm (which, of course, suited me very much), but in reality it is not. So 62 cm in depth does not suit me in any way, since the table is standard - 60 cm. In general, in its purest form, annoying stupidity. And you, as a specialist, what can you say about ASKO? In particular, their leakage protection system (this is my biggest concern).

[mish]

mish, I am not a dishwasher specialist, rather an "advanced user"
Depth 57 is written everywhere about Beko DFN 6611, but you can't trample against roulette. Yes, there is such a moment in dishwashers, they use their dimensions to the fullest. At the back there are no pipes, sockets and an absolutely flat wall ... a full-length structure with a facade fits in a tunic-in-a-tunic, and any freestanding one will definitely be ahead of the rest of the planet.
I won't say anything about ASKO. The first reaction I had was "are there such?" Honestly, I first heard such a combination of letters from you. Google confirmed - yes. (Honestly, in terms of design - they are kind of old-fashioned, or something). I did not find any reviews at all, in most catalogs these do not appear at all. I would first of all ask very carefully how about the service. And then I did so once bought her first mobile phone "I want this, rosy". In a large supermarket, a certified and type of service center is available. After six months of active use, the battery "died". The SC was told to hand it over for repairs and in two weeks maybe you will get it back (or maybe in two months). What kind of repair? Sell ​​the battery, I'll pay for the repair! Nope, one of them will be brought from Japan, he is of a very special shape, all the more rosy ... But I knew from the very beginning that it would be so ...
Oddly enough, for my "Vyatka-automatic machine" in our Rembyttechnika there are still most of the main spare parts.

[Jefry]

Jefry Indesite-Ariston are still alive, no matter what, and they riveted Vyatka from them
Shl and what kind of phone is it that you can't find a shark

[Jefry]

Jefry Indesite-Ariston are still alive, no matter what, and they riveted Vyatka from them
Shl and what kind of phone is it that you can't find a shark

The passport says "under the license of the company Merloni Progetti", apparently they were so called then. By the way, I recently learned that the heating element there is made of an aluminum alloy, to which hard water is violet. We were still a long time ago, we were little, and interruptions with hot water began, we used it as a boiler. A neighbor, trying to repeat our know-how, killed her Ariston's heating element in six months. Therefore, expressions like "Mom's dishwasher of the company *** worked perfectly for 10 years, and therefore the next one will be only ***!" I have a slight irony.
PySy, Fly phone, I have already found a battery, but not my own (a holy place is never empty China and Malaya Arnautskaya do not yawn).

I can't help but tell you about the Bosch service. I wrote earlier that my PM car broke down on the 17th day of operation. The service workshop promised to replace the part within 2 months. The store went to meet us and the PM replaced it. This was at the end of May. Today there was a call from the service center, the girl happily reported that the part had arrived and they were ready to send a master to us !!!

[Kosharik]

Kosharik And if it's not a secret, what was the problem ??

Some rocker did not work (did not move). For the prescription - I do not remember - lower or upper. Dianosis from the master of the service center - HZ.
I ordered three parts (control board, engine and something else). As the foreman said, upon arrival the s / h will be repaired by the elimination method.
Note that we are talking about Moscow, and the service center is a structural division of Bosch in Russia (including the plant in St. Petersburg). And the PM model is new.

[Kosharik]

Kosharik I agree with you .... spare parts do not go quickly, but in our service not as long as you wrote ...... since May

I was amazed by the very attitude !!! The foreman rode for 2 weeks, for another week he handed over the problem to the "remote control". After 3 weeks, the young lady told me on the phone that the order had been placed and when the details would be available, she did not know, even approximately. Like, wait for an answer. At the same time, in principle, they do not give any papers that the car is being repaired. At all. Under no threat. This is fraught with the fact that I then have nothing to prove the fact that 45 days allotted for repairs have come out. It's good that I have a PM, and if it's a refrigerator?!?!?
As I understood, in Russia spare parts for PM machines (I have a German assembly) are not kept at all. Perhaps because of the small number of marriage. By the way, Liebherr was going to buy a refrigerator - they say, a similar quality of service.
Koreyak (Samsung and LV) are well repaired in Russia. We were pleasantly surprised by the service workshop of Proxima (TM Saeko).

[Kosharik]

Kosharik Do not take Liebherr, the service is real only in Moscow and even cooler in Germany -10 years!

[Kosharik]

I'll put in my five cents too
Kosharik I don't know how you got there in Russia, but for our Ukrainian region I can say that LG and Samsung, if something breaks down, then spare parts arrive very quickly, within one week, LG has a problem with compressors, for some reason they fly then ........ but quickly, very quickly everything comes, and our masters on the service said that so far, at the moment, these two brands are the best ..... I do not argue, everything breaks down, but they have the service works better, if God forbid something and the guarantee is great

I have Bosch, I am even very satisfied, compared to the "Italians", with my friends, everything is super-duper washed with me, I absolutely do not regret that I did not buy it cheaper.

[Kosharik]

I'll put in my five cents too
Kosharik I don't know how you got there in Russia, but for our Ukrainian region I can say that LG and Samsung, if something breaks down, then spare parts arrive very quickly, within one week, LG has a problem with compressors, for some reason they fly then ........ but quickly, very quickly everything comes, and our masters on the service said that so far, at the moment, these two brands are the best ..... I do not argue, everything breaks down, but they have the service works better, if God forbid something and the guarantee is great

I agree, my LG DVD broke, for my husband, it was a nightmare, he loves to record sports programs, which are shown very late, and then he watches in the morning, so, just in a couple of days they fixed it, although I don't like this company anymore I have nothing else, this brand.

What breaks down more often, there is a service for this and components in the workshops keep a stock. It's just that there are firms leading an aggressive trade policy on the market, trying to sell more. And the fact that the technique breaks down more often .. nudyk here is the service for you, it is adjusted ...

[fridge]

What breaks down more often, there is a service for this and components in the workshops keep a stock. It's just that there are firms leading an aggressive trade policy on the market, trying to sell more. And the fact that the technique breaks down more often .. nudyk here is the service for you, it is adjusted ...

Well, yes, well, yes, but Bosch (etc.) also breaks down (and so on) and if you can wash and wash the dishes as a last resort with handles, then, as it was rightly noted here, if fridge Liebherr will break down, or the same Bosch, (probably they can break down too), then what - to buy another refrigerator while the spare parts are delivered? Strange logic ...

This is such a life guarantee for Liebherr 1 year in Russia, and 10 years in Germany! This is against any logic, it is not possible to understand, just take it for granted

This is such a life guarantee for Liebherr 1 year in Russia, and 10 years in Germany! This is against any logic, it is not possible to understand, just take it for granted

I could be wrong, but as I remember, sometime ... somewhere ... I read the maximum warranty period for complex household appliances is determined by the legislation of the country.
On the other hand, if I have an Austrian assembly of Liebherr, then I can sleep well for 10 years?

This is such a life guarantee for Liebherr 1 year in Russia, and 10 years in Germany! This is against any logic, it is not possible to understand, just take it for granted

I don't know about the rest of the appliances, but I have a 2-year warranty for the Liebherr refrigerator and freezer.

[fridge]

Well, yes, well, yes, but Bosch (etc.) also breaks down (and so on) and if you can wash and wash the dishes as a last resort with handles, then, as it was rightly noted here, if fridge Liebherr will break down, or the same Bosch, (probably they can break down too), then what - to buy another refrigerator while the spare parts are delivered? Strange logic ...

There is nothing strange in this logic, if you know ZoZPP
Article 20, paragraph 2
With regard to durable goods, the manufacturer, the seller or an authorized organization or an authorized individual entrepreneur are obliged, upon presentation by the consumer of the specified demand, within three days, to provide the consumer free of charge for the period of repair, a durable goods with the same basic consumer properties, ensuring delivery at their own expense.
The list of durable goods, to which this requirement does not apply, is established by the Government of the Russian Federation and includes As you can see, there are no refrigerators there and you are required to provide a replacement refrigerator for the duration of the repair. And after all, and mind you, not even in Moscow.

AND I WATCHED THE PMM OF THE FIRM Mabe MDW2 017X WHAT IS THE UNKNOWN FIRM MAY WHO HAVE HEARD WHAT ABOUT THE PMM OF THIS MANUFACTURER ??

THANKS FOR YOUR ANSWERS HOW HAS ALREADY BEAT HUNTED TO BUY PMM OF THIS FIRM AND WHAT WOULD YOU ADVISE? WITHIN 25 THOUSAND

Girls, I have a well with a pump, that is, I will pump water, but there is no pressure,
tell me, is there a PMM for such conditions?

I found such a washing machine - Gorenie - it comes with a tank - I pump water there - and the process started.

now I'm actively looking for a PMM of the same type (probably a tank should be included in the kit, but I don't see anywhere (

[Svett]

Svett IMHO such PMM does not exist. But it seems to me there is a way out, or adapt the tank from the washer by making an additional drainage through the tee. Or make a tank in the image of a washing machine for PMM. The principle is to create an imitation of a low pressure water supply system. PMM consumes very little water, I don't remember the exact number, I saw it somewhere on the internet
There are pumps for raising the pressure in the local water supply system, one of the best is Grundfos
In any case, you need either a man with "straight handles" or specialists

I have a dishwasher in the country. It certainly doesn't work without pressure. I turn it on only when the pressure in the pipes is decent.

You can change the pump to a pumping station and the question will disappear by itself

[BooBoo, Summer Resident and sazalexter]

Thank you BooBoo, Summer Resident and sazalexter for a consultation)))
now at least I will not baffle the sellers in stores with my question ...
and quietly wait for when that bunch of pieces of iron with a pump and a tank that has been in the summer kitchen for a year will be installed and work)))

[electrolux]

Hello everyone! so I decided to insert my "5 kopecks")))))

I have a dishwasher electrolux - small for 5 sets (due to the size of the kitchen) for almost 4 years - there were no problems t-t-t. I usually use the "fast" mode for 30 minutes. the tablets do not quite suit me - they are large, but I need to break them in half - I just preferred salt, rinse aid and powder. the last powder is liquid - some unknown manufacturer, like a novelty, but I like it - thick, pleasant smell, washes well and rinses off

recently they bought my mom a dishwasher.we chose the electrolux again - they look the same (for example, with a Bosch), I read the docks - the consumption of electricity, water for 1 cycle and the quality of washing / drying - turned out to be in favor of the electrolux. mom has been using it for almost a month - she is also happy)))

Good day to all!
Fuh, I read the topic carefully and even wrote out (otherwise, such a porridge in my head) about dishwasher models. I'm looking for a full-size and built-in (I like more models with an open panel so that you can look at the display)
The choice has finally narrowed down, but I still can't decide what to take from these:
1. Beko DFN 1000 - 550y.e.
2. Zanussi ZDI 310 - 505 y.e.
3. Electrolux ESI 63020 - 525 y.e.
4. Whirpool WP 65 - 600 y.e.
It turns out that all the selected models are at the same price (that is, the price will not affect the choice) and with approximately the same functions.
And now I've been racking my brains - which company should I give preference to?
Tell me please! Help get rid of the agony of choice. And that time is running out, but I cannot decide.
Thank you in advance!

Good day to all!
Fuh, I read the topic carefully and even wrote out (otherwise, such a porridge in my head) about dishwasher models. I'm looking for a full-size and built-in (I like more models with an open panel so that you can look at the display)
The choice has finally narrowed down, but I still can't decide what to take from these:
1. Beko DFN 1000 - 550y.e.
2. Zanussi ZDI 310 - 505 y.e.
3. Electrolux ESI 63020 - 525 y.e.
4. Whirpool WP 65 - 600 y.e.
It turns out that all the selected models are at the same price (that is, the price will not affect the choice) and with approximately the same functions.
And now I've been racking my brains - which company should I give preference to?
Tell me please! Help get rid of the agony of choice. And that time is running out, but I cannot decide.
Thank you in advance!

Take Bosh.

But Bosch is not on this list ...

Good day to all!

4. Whirpool WP 65 - 600 y.e.

Well, I can only say that my Whirlpool has been working for me for over 7 years. I'm not complaining, I like it. But the service is like theirs now, I don’t know, I didn’t apply.

Here, in my opinion, you need to go to the store and touch all the models yourself .... what you like, then take it. Everyone will praise their model .... I don't like loading in Boch (although Bosch is one of my favorite companies) and in Electrolux Veko they are comfortable. So the choice is yours .... Now I will look at the availability of programs and write ...

And yet Bosch has the shortest short program ... 28-34 minutes ... But the price ...

Take Bosh.

Bosch was on my list. But I crossed it out.
Recently, a lot of new products of dishwashers (from different companies) have appeared that are narrow (45 cm), apparently there is more demand for them. And the full-size ones (60cm) are somehow poorly presented. And in Boch, for some reason, 60cm is all as one with the "innovation" ActiveWater (cost from $ 700).
And Jeffrey explained in such an accessible way what this innovation resulted in in practice (and here one forum member has just a problem with Bosch 63M, where this function is implemented). So I have no longer the desire to take such a Bosch (and it will also turn out to be 200 dollars more expensive), and in a simpler way (without the ento gadget), we have models mainly 45 cm.
These are the dealings with Bosch.

Here, in my opinion, you need to go to the store and touch all the models yourself .... what you like, then take it. Everyone will praise their model .... I don't like loading in Boch (although Bosch is one of my favorite companies) and in Electrolux Veko they are comfortable. So the choice is yours .... Now I will look at the availability of programs and write ...

Went, or rather traveled, and not alone. The crisis affected the dishwashers. But maybe this is just our case, the city is small. There are 2-3 models of them in household appliances stores and mostly 45cm (and these are household appliances supermarkets). Sellers say "look at the catalog and we will order you"
And how to determine the load "by eye"? Or do you mean the plate holders in the lower basket are foldable or not? Yes, I picked up the models so that you could lower these pins. Suddenly I want (probably want) to wash some oversized.
I asked my friends, but they have a Veko 10 years ago, so ... there is no point in asking those who bought PMM 7-10 years ago. Ksati they are very happy with their Veko.
That's why I boldly included it in my list (well, after reading this topic)

I am reporting !!!!
1. Veko-all functions and programs are excellent.
2.Zanussi-no 1/2 loading, no indicator, I didn't understand, are the basket being reinstalled ???
3.Electlux - no display, no 1/2 load
4. Whirlpool - there is no rinse aid indicator, drying class B, there is no protection from children and it is not entirely clear what happened to the upper basket ...
Make a conclusion yourself ...

[Star]

With the Auto program, the half load is no longer necessary. I have not it. For the rest ... well, you're smart Star... just scary!

Fnezhinka Electrolux suffer from voltage surges, brains can fail. My friend's house was turned off last week, so her Electrolux machine (she was working at that time) was covered with a copper basin. I think that the circle is narrowing.

[Star]

With the Auto program, the half load is no longer necessary. I have not it. For the rest ... well, you're smart Star... just scary!

Function 1/2 is needed ... the car detects the degree of pollution (mostly) ... I'm not smart ... I'm boring and meticulous (I'm sick of it myself ...) my husband says, well, you can see right away ... daughter of the prosecutor ..

Fnezhinka Electrolux suffer from voltage surges, brains can fail. My friend's house was turned off last week, so her Electrolux machine (she was working at that time) was covered with a copper basin. I think that the circle is narrowing.

Yes, it narrows noticeably. You are right, it just confuses me in Eletrolux.

[Star]

Function 1/2 is needed ... the car detects the degree of pollution (mostly) ... I'm not smart ... I'm boring and meticulous (I'm sick of it myself ...) my husband says, well, you can see right away ... daughter of the prosecutor ..

Star, thank you for your participation. I also like to take into account everything to the smallest nuances. That is why I read and wander the vastness of the Internet ... I already have a whole folder called Dishwasher. And both in the computer and "manually" the leaves have already filled up. I need to write and compose the type of tablets, so that everything in my head fits in orderly rows. But the choice must already be made before the husband changes his mind.
Yes, I "donated" the 1/2 load function, it is not so "critical" to me. And the next model of Whirlpool is more advanced (6th sense), and I am somehow afraid of these "smart" programs, which themselves decide how much to wash the dishes. I'd rather choose either a short program, or norms, or an intensive program myself. In fact, a lot of our dishes get dirty, I think we can do without 1/2.
As for drying B, it seems that the models on the sites are somehow different. They write to me that the Whirlpool WP65 and the indicator have both AAA and even Multizone (you can add 20% water to the lower basket).

And the next model of Whirlpool is more advanced (6th sense), and I am somehow afraid of these "smart" programs, which themselves decide how much to wash the dishes. I'd rather choose either a short program, or norms, or an intensive program myself. In fact, a lot of our dishes get dirty, I think we can do without 1/2.
As for drying B, it seems that the models on the sites are somehow different. They write to me that the Whirlpool WP65 and the indicator have both AAA and even Multizone (you can add 20% water to the lower basket).

Why be afraid of smart programs? I have from this series "Whirlpool 6-feeling" and a dishwasher, and a microwave, these programs work well. And even a 7-year-old PMM has all the indicators in place, and the upper basket is adjustable, and 1/2 of the load has classes for all indicators A. Is the more modern model worse than my seven-year plan?

I have never used the 1/2 function. You can always find something else to slip.

The baskets are rearranged probably by everyone, even by dishwashers of dinosaur times.

A. Is the more modern model worse than my seven-year plan?

100% worse. Ask anyone who changed an old lady for a new one. Everyone is not happy.

Girls, I have a well with a pump, that is, I will pump water, but there is no pressure,
tell me, is there a PMM for such conditions?

I found such a washing machine - Gorenie - it comes with a tank - I pump water there - and the process started.

now I'm actively looking for a PMM of the same type (probably a tank should be included in the kit, but I don't see anywhere (

Good day everyone.
I have a PMM for 8 Candy sets, bought 8 months. back, and I live in a private house.
Water is pumped from the well and through pipes to the machine (so the washing machine is connected). Everything works great and is convenient, all this connection was inexpensive, but convenient.

Veko also has a smart button and, moreover, it is trimmed with anti-fingerprint material (it is itself made of stainless steel) Whirlpool is also a good car, this is generally an excellent company, but in my opinion (maybe I did not see well) the cup holders do not rise (well, with one sides exactly)

Veko also has a smart button and, moreover, it is trimmed with anti-fingerprint material (it is itself made of stainless steel) Whirlpool is also a good car, this is generally an excellent company, but in my opinion (maybe I did not see well) the cup holders do not rise (well, with one sides exactly)

In my model, they rise on both sides - it seemed to me that this is generally a standard function for all cars, to be honest.
In general, a fairly complete description of all models can be found at the office. website

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, agata116, and in your PMM Bosch hydraulic. system ActiveWater?

[this means very inconvenient baskets for dishes.]

Yesterday I saw a Hansa dishwasher in the store. She has all the insides exactly like my Kaiser, and this means very inconvenient baskets for dishes.

Boo Boo, please tell me, what is the inconvenience of baskets for dishes in the Kaiser? They write beautifully "Increased volume - not less than 14 sets of dishes. Third additional shelf for cutlery." This is in the Kaiser S60i80XL, Kaiser s60u71xl models.
What model do you have?

I have a Kaiser s6071xl. Please do not take the Kaiser. I really don't like her. Now I will try to write everything that I am unhappy with. Appearance - you cannot put hot on the top tabletop and generally the coating peels off. In response to my complaint in the SC, they replied that this is not a countertop at all and there is nothing to use it like that. Now we have a dishwasher under the common tabletop and this problem has been solved. The door - it is constantly dirty, a lot of stains remain on it, and it is not easy to rub it to a shine. Programs - washes well only on the longest program. Well, and baskets - Despite the fact that she is positioned as super roomy in her old lady Kandy (she is very many years old and she is now working in the country), I can load more. In Kandy, I put pots, bowls, pans, etc. on the lower shelf. And on the upper shelf, I put plates and cups. Small cups can also fit on additional reclining shelves. In the Kaiser, the plates are poorly on the top shelf. Therefore, I now have plates and pans on the bottom. And on the top shelf there are bowls. The bottom shelf is accordingly very cramped. And the top one is hard to score. Large plates did not fit on the lower shelf and I lifted the upper basket higher. Now nothing fits on the additional shelves, only, for example, long knives and spatulas. I don’t use an extra cutlery shelf, again because of the raised upper basket, and I don’t really understand why it is needed. I took one of these shelves to the dacha. There I am in Kandy on her skewer.
I hope it helped you. )))))