Dishwasher selection (2)

[Irina]

Irina, and washing and PMM first collect water, and then wash or wash, so that the change in pressure has no effect on their work. In our house, my husband himself made a water supply system with a pumping station and the pressure is quite strong, but now it seems one of the filters is heavily clogged and the water stops flowing for 5-7 seconds, but the "water" equipment continues to work normally

[Irina]

Irina, and washing and PMM first collect water, and then wash or wash, so that the change in pressure has no effect on their work. In our house, my husband himself made a water supply system with a pumping station and the pressure is quite strong, but now it seems one of the filters is heavily clogged and the water stops flowing for 5-7 seconds, but the "water" equipment continues to work normally

OK thanks)))

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, I have the most budgetary Kandy. I don’t remember the numbers, but you don’t need it. See something bigger for yourself. Mine is rather small, a 3 liter can is entered with great difficulty. I know that all cars are a little different, including in terms of roominess. You really, take some kind of large saucepan and walk around, try on the dishwashers. I just thought, maybe my Indesit was 45 small, not 12, but 9-10 sets of dishes. That is why I am so bold and declare that there is a difference, but not that big. Not half. but I don’t remember tsiferki, there is nowhere to look. Strangers already live there.

Girls, who are interested, in my village there is a small "tabletop" PMM Electrolux, it stands under the sink on the floor, a lot of different things are placed on it until the sink. I put some dishes and one in one, it washes normally, but it is necessary to understand the "logic" of the PMM and adapt. There is enough for the two of us with my husband, I usually run it once a day, 3-liter cans get up. But I prefer to wash pots with my hands, well, I can’t do anything with myself, I don’t like to wash dishes, but my hands are like a fool
In the city of 45cm Hansa, well, there are no questions at all, even too big in volume, I go looking for and collect dishes around the house to fill, often where I sat for my son, I ate there and threw the dishes ... But the pots were still handled

[Mandraik Ludmila]

Mandraik Ludmila,
And why? Do pots wash badly?

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, it's not about the pans, it's about me, I have steel ones and everything seems to me that if I wash them with my hands, they will shine better Well, this is such a personal quirk

[Buttercup]

Buttercup, well it is more like Yes. I, too, are better than a dishwasher. Especially plastic.
But my pans by hand only once out of five, approximately. Restoring their abused surface.

[Lena]

Lena, here you understand me I no longer dry the dishes, so that the drops would not "dry up", but the water in the village, if not rainy, gives sediment in the teapot and plaque on the dishes, of course I use Lmonka, I do not dry dishes in the PMM, but it is easier for me to wash the pots with my hands, especially since the pots do not get dirty every day .. Oh, I just remembered the bowl from multi the same only with my hands, but this is every day, and I have 2 bowls of them, and several times a day it happens And in the case of bowls, for some reason I am afraid for the coating, it seems to me that I will wash more "gently"

Girls, the question arose about buying PMM. Different stores offer different models (one gets the impression that it’s stale, then they’re sniffing). Can someone advise which cars to pay attention to?

Can someone advise which cars to pay attention to?

Ol, depends on the budget

Ol, depends on the budget

Well, introductory, 45 or 60

I understand. Somewhere within 40 thousand.

Somewhere within 40 thousand.

what do they offer? Fullsize?
Do you need recessed or freestanding?

Built-in and 60 cm. Medea was touted strongly to us the last time.

Ol, depends on the budget

I was looking for an oven and a PPM and a hob, a hood for my husband))
That's for sure, but I was looking for both budget and specifications.
Bosch wanted very much, but what I wanted right away did not fit into the budget, or it was necessary to catch stocks, but did not grow together ((((and for this damn increase in the currency rate, the situation changes before our eyes, as a result, I got a full-size ELECTROLUX dishwasher ESL95321LO, I read the reviews, it seems, there weren't very bad ones. And the price was fine, it fit into the budget)

well, yes, Bosch, Electrolux, Smeg but narrow also fell out

Thank you girls !!!

I have a small electrolux in the village, a good machine, I chose it because it is also low-powered, compared to the same others. High-quality plastic, generally a high-quality thing, I think you will be happy.

[Lyudochka]

Lyudochka, Thank you!!!

Well, I tried on all the dishwashers in the store. I chose a store where they also sell food processors to try on bowls. Bowls do not fit into compact dishwashers. And large pans don't fit either. They fit in 45 cm. I measured the height of the bottom and top of the baskets from the floor. I also looked into dishwashers 60cm wide. I tortured three sellers with questions ... Then I tried on the countertop at home, and realized that putting a dishwasher 85 cm high on it was inconvenient. The point is not only that it is high, but also that I do not have an open surface nearby from where to take dirty dishes to load. I would have had to give her a lift on some table on wheels. Well, it's just cumbersome and ugly.

In short, I decided to put the dishwasher on the floor on the wheels. Let's buy a freestanding and - hurray! - 60 cm wide (I really liked them in the store for their capacity !!!) When the dishes are not washed, I will use the dishwasher lid as an additional work table on wheels. I called Bosch and Electrolux offices. They do not have ready-made solutions for connecting to the mixer. But in American Internet shops you can pick up hoses with adapters for our mixer. Or, in general, we will buy an American mixer, we will embed it in the sink second and put on American hoses. Find only a sane plumber ...

Girls whose husband put a dishwasher on, ask what difficulties he would suggest when connecting the dishwasher to the mixer. Maybe we don't need American extension hoses or adapters. On our mixer, if you remove the aerator, the external thread is 3/4 inch. What is the thread of the dishwasher inlet hose?

Here in the photo you can see how the Americans connected the dishwasher to the mixer.

But with them it is not aesthetic, since the dishwasher is not free-standing, but for installation. And if we have a freestanding, then we only need a platform on wheels and some kind of removable plate to cover the hoses in the back when the dishwasher is turned off. I don't know yet what we'll cover. Maybe take a plastic duct with a cross-section of 30 by 10 cm and a length of 83 cm, cut it in half along the side of 10 cm and connect the resulting "channels" into something like a plate 60 by 83 cm ... Well, these are already details ...

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, puzzle the questions of connecting specialists. I would not have had a guarantee if I had not connected the service center. Already, experts have solved all sorts of non-standard problems during their practice. Therefore, I advise you to go and consult a service technician before buying a dishwasher. And so that you understand each other correctly, take a picture of your cranes and the estimated MRP.

When the dishes are not washed, I will use the dishwasher lid as an additional work table on wheels.

most likely, one day you will pull out the washer and put the PMM in its place. Tinker with hoses for six months, then either the flood will be, or you will get bored.

[Ann-Anya]

most likely, one day you will pull out the washer and put the PMM in its place.Tinker with hoses for six months, then either the flood will be, or you will get bored.

Ann-Anya, excuse me, I agree with Lyolya, you have chosen a rather difficult project to implement. Sometimes you have to wash dishes twice a day, but a big PMM is really big - you don't get dung. Of course, it's up to you to decide, but this is not a serving table on wheels.

I also support girls.

[Ann-Anya]

most likely, one day you will pull out the washer and put the PMM in its place. Tinker with hoses for six months, then either the flood will be, or you will get bored.

Oh ... Then just wait until we buy a bigger apartment ...

this is not a serving table on wheels

Well, the kitchen is small, move it only 1 meter. Only once a day. Only 50 kg. And on wheels, too. Can also be considered fitness.

Ann-Anya, puzzle the questions of connecting specialists. I would not have had a guarantee if I had not connected the service center. Already, experts have solved all sorts of non-standard problems during their practice. Therefore, I advise you to go and consult a service technician before buying a dishwasher. And so that you understand each other correctly, take a picture of your cranes and the estimated MRP.

Thanks for the advice. I didn’t know that the service necessarily connects, so that there is a guarantee. We ourselves connected the freezer, refrigerator, washing and oven. We were not told anything about the guarantee. We just called the gasman for the cooking room. I'll try to call the service workers. It’s a long way to go.

Only 50 kg.

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, well, what are you comparing the connection of the refrigerator, freezer. I plugged it in and that's it.
And umm has both a bay and a drain. If you open the installation instructions for the PMM, then there you will see that you need to withstand certain requirements, otherwise it will not fill in, then it will refuse to drain.

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, do not build a mountain to overcome it later.
How many meters is your kitchen? 5?
My son has a refrigerator, PMM, a large table in the five-meter kitchen. Reconsider WHAT you need in the kitchen and what you can take outside of it. You have already been offered. On wheels - it's all interesting to see in the YouTube videos. Think and everything will fit.
Give a drawing, we'll think together

Quote: Ann-Anya from Today at 21:37
Only 50 kg.

I'll try to make a drawing. But I'm afraid that all the furniture there needs to be changed and the equipment should be taken smaller. And carry pipes. This is much harder than moving 50 kg on casters once a day.

[Anya]

Anya, Anechka, love yourself, beloved! Do everything for yourself, so that you can feel less reckless in the kitchen. Anya, be sure to draw a plan with dimensions. can I have a photo. Here, do not be shy, do not be afraid that suddenly someone will think something and suddenly speak out, God forbid, they will laugh. The overwhelming majority of members of the forum are very kind and helpful people who will certainly help with advice and support. People live in different ways. The desire to change your life for the better is very commendable! We all here on the forum want to change our lives for the better, so, Anya, there are like-minded people here.

Girls, I'm going to buy myself a Bosch pmm, but I see many have now taken Electrolux. Is it intentional or just like that? prices in the range of 30,000 and one and the other. Why did you take Electrolux?

Well, not very pretty, but fast. This is the kitchen (there are upper cabinets above the washing machine and sink, not high, since there is a window to the bathroom). Above the cooker hood. There is nothing else to hang on the wall, there is a vent in it. the channel is wide.

In the room by the door there is a wardrobe with dishes on its side. In the corridor there is a 90cm niche, below a refrigerator of this width is low of two drawers, and above it is a tabletop behind a furniture roller shutter and shelves. There I cook.



A corner cabinet with a sink did not work, although the furniture was made to order. Therefore, the sink is only straight. I have blanco deep comfortable. Under it there is a chopper, filters, so only household chemicals fit in there besides them. Risers are very disturbing - two gas and one electric. The window sill is not wide, the heating battery sticks out from under it a little. Oh, I also forgot the heating riser by the window, where the pencil case with the oven ...

I would have arranged everything differently. But ... sorry.
It's not clear if the furniture is custom-made, so much space has been eaten ... Why wasn't the moyu deployed? This is in my opinion.

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, and what is behind the wall at the sink and washing machine? Not a bathroom? Is the bathroom already all finished in new tiles? In general, next to the sink, the place of the dishwasher is just 60 cm.

It was impossible to fit into the corner. It turned out to take only a narrow sink with wings and it would not be convenient for me to stand there, and to climb under it to change filters too. And there was no point in putting a sink near the hob, because then it drove into the continuation of the countertop, into which the washer was inserted, and only 20 cm remained there. The same drawers that are now in the corner near the sink would have been put there. And if there was a sink on the wall with a ventilation duct, it would not be possible to hang a cabinet above it and make a light under it. That is, in the evening it would have been a little dark for me at the sink.

Is the bathroom already all finished in new tiles?

Yes, the bathroom is tiled. On this wall there are cabinets, and above the window to the bathroom.

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, seisas has so many solutions, and with lockers on the vent channel and light.
Did you do the kitchen project yourself?
What's done is done.
Agree withAlevtina about a place for PMM

Thanks for the advice. I didn’t know that the service necessarily connects, so that there is a guarantee. We ourselves connected the freezer, refrigerator, washing and oven. We were not told anything about the guarantee

They didn't say it right. Service connection (paid) is called imposed service and is prohibited by law in our country. The warranty will be removed for independent connection only if it was done incorrectly and caused a malfunction.

It is a pity that you have already made a renovation in the bathroom. I would consider the possibilities of a bath. You can remove the sink from the bathroom and put a narrow top-loading washer in its place. Sell ​​the old washing machine or give it to mom. You can change a bathtub of regular length (do you have 150 cm or 170 cm?) For a short sit-down 120 cm.In my old apartment I had such a wonderful cast-iron sit-down bath, oh, how I loved it, you sit with happiness and warm water right up to your chin , not like my current long French bath. I would gladly exchange it for a comfortable sit-down cast-iron bath. You can put a shower stall on the edge and a full-size washer will just go in. The sink can be removed from the bathroom altogether. You can also brush your teeth twice a day over the kitchen sink. And the dishes have to be washed all day for household members. Oh, for some reason I broke up.

I didn’t know that the service necessarily connects, so that there is a guarantee.

These are inventions of shops that want to impose additional. services. The warranty period does not in any way depend on who connects the dishwasher. Unless, of course, you just break it when connecting.
My husband connected it three times: when they bought it, when they made repairs and when it broke down.
And whenever it was turned off, the remaining water poured from the hose. We immediately put rags on. And I have linoleum and a private house. That is, the floor would not deteriorate and the neighbors would not flood. How are you going to disconnect and reconnect the machine for each wash - I have no idea.

Why did you take Electrolux?

I chose my Electrolux almost by accident, chose the least powerful PMM, due to the weakness of the village power grids, and not the Chinese one, this turned out to be my little electrolux. And at first I considered the hansu, since the city hansa suited me quite well, besides, it was more budgetary, but low power won over the budget.And now, in parallel with the PMM, I can include cartoon and HP or even a pryncess, though the kettle is still not
All my cars were connected by my husband, and who will go to the village to connect to a homemade water supply

You can remove the sink from the bathroom and put a narrow top-loading washer in its place.

I will repeat myself, but once again I will suggest installing an EXISTING washing machine (most likely, non-recessed) in the bath UNDER the sink, which will need to be replaced. In the internet there are many photos of how it looks.Yes, at first it will be a bit high, but then get used to it and you will not notice any special inconveniences (though only if there is no small child) - there is an experience of placing appliances in the kitchen 4 m: refrigerator, PMM 45 cm (it was possible to put 60 cm, but decided to give 15 cm under cargo), full-size oven, cabinet for sink, table. Moreover, in such a small kitchen - also with linen ...

[mowgli]

mowgli, I wanted Bosch, but I bought Electrolux. Lux has more programs for the same price. But that was 4 years ago. A native German with good functionality will be more expensive than Lux. I'm very pleased with my machine, it washes perfectly, though with two baskets, but it suits me.

There are few programs in Boch, that's for sure, but I used 2-3 programs in the previous two machines, no more, so I don't bother. The main thing is the presence of indicators, what and when to pour and that's it. The rest can be experienced. Moreover, I usually load the car either in the morning or at night.
Bosch, looked German assembly. I will take the Bosch washing machine too.

[Anya]

Anya, The trash can is connected not to the mixer, but to a water outlet, if it is not there, unscrew the mixer, along the HV, put a tee to it and connect the trash and the mixer. The only thing that most likely will have to change the siphon is that the siphon must have an additional outlet for connecting the trash can. You can organize the drain directly into the canal, but for this you will have to upgrade the drain system. In short, you need a good plumber or a man with straight arms growing from the right place

need a good plumber

upgrade the drain system

change the siphon

eh .. I would leave the idea of ​​a mobile PMM. So many things

My hands itch so quickly to put the kitchen and connect the appliances, I'm so tired of cooking when it works out ((and washing the dishes in the bath ((the main thing is left a little bit and this has been going on for the second week, and all because of the fact that something has to wait - building materials (tiles , laminate) Yes, and our masters work on two objects, you don't know when they will come, you sit at home waiting and don't really go anywhere (((

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And our masters work on two objects, you don't know when they will come, you sit at home waiting and don't really go anywhere (((

The same story, only one master. The month is coming to an end, but our horse is not lying around. The third day does not come. We tolerate only because of what we do as ourselves. There is nothing to find fault with. The husband croaks that he will make repairs by the New Year.

Sell ​​the old washing machine or give it to mom. You can change the bathtub of regular length (do you have 150 cm or 170 cm?) For a short sit-down 120 cm.

I have a big laundry and I like it terribly. If the washer is smaller, you will have to wash more often. Bathtub 150 cm. At first there was a desire to put a shower stall in a corner, but in the place that would have been vacated, there was also nothing to put - it turned out to be about half a meter and the heating battery interfered.

How are you going to disconnect and reconnect the machine for each wash - I have no idea.

But in America they do exactly that! I didn’t come up with it myself, but I looked at them. I can’t insert a link to the YouTube video right here in the message. Copy the link that I give below into your browser, insert a dot instead of the word "dot" and see. As a seller, these cars on wheels (both 45 cm and 60 cm) can be easily turned and transported. As if there is no 35-50 kg! (youtube dot com / watch? v = xxe5LTGssEI)
But in this video, the guy shows how he connects it. (youtube dot com / watch? v = dl-lkByG2P4) And the hoses are hiding right into it.

Anya, The trash heap is not connected to the mixer, but to the water outlet, if it is not there, the mixer is unscrewed, along the XB, put a tee to it and the trash and the mixer are connected. The only thing that most likely will have to change the siphon, it is necessary that the siphon has an additional outlet for connecting the trash can. You can organize the drain directly into the canal, but for this you will have to upgrade the drain system.

There is already a chopper under the sink and special for it.siphon, and even a filter for drinking water, and a separate filter for the washing machine.

eh .. I would leave the idea of ​​a mobile PMM. So many things

I also lean on your advice to buy a step-down transformer for an American dishwasher. It seems to me that Americans are not fools.

Last night we discussed this topic again at home. They listened and decided: to keep within 75 - maximum 100 thousand rubles, without dirt and transferring pipes, without gas workers, and anyway - food and the opportunity to relax at home after work should be every day. Well, and I must remember that the more I "waste" on the improvement of this housing, the longer I will have to wait for a new one.

[Ann-Anya]

All TRICKS !!!
Ann-Anya, it is a pity that you have not heard the advice / recommendations of Experienced and Smart users. Especially Creamy and Sazalexter techies and bad will not advise.
What is there in America, I won't tell you, but not a little money

keep within 75 - maximum 100 thousand rubles

will be wasted, that is, in vain.

[Ann-Anya]

Ann-Anya, but if you don't put it anywhere at all, then buy a desktop one. Well, wash something with your hands. All the same, the bulk of the dishes will be washed. Now you wash EVERYTHING by hand. In any case, it will be much lighter and less dishes. I have a kitchen of 5 m and I found a place in it for a pmm for 45, but I didn’t put it, but it’s just more convenient for me than a desktop one.