Dishwasher selection (2)

[sazalexter]

sazalexter, regularly, once in two years I try to evaluate the current quality of Somat or Finish powders and tablets, but the vigorous chemical smell of these products after washing seems to be a proprietary chip from Henkel and Reckitt Benckiser ... At least compared to eco-labels ... Yes, and for the price Somat or Finish are very rasped, - often more expensive than good, high-quality for washing, eco-products ... One advantage - this "good" in any store in bulk ... You can learn from someone upstairs lobbying your interests ...

[Constantin]

Constantin, Konstantin, I buy a large package of Somat, it lasts for a long time, a year and about 8 months, there is no desire or funds to experiment with "eco-friendly" powders.

I have been using Somat Standard for many years and do not bother especially, it washes perfectly.

So do I. There is no vigorous smell. The wash quality is excellent.
Retail price 100 UAH per kg. You can wash the dishes once a week, spending $ 4 per year)))

You can wash the dishes once a week, spending $ 4 per year)))

And if you wash the dishes once a month, then the savings will be much more economical ...

Constantin, Constantin, I buy a large package of Somat, it lasts for a long time, for two years, there is no desire or funds to experiment with "eco-friendly" powders.

Arguing about preferences is a hopeless and thankless task. This always ends as in the old joke:
...
- You know? Embrace Orthodoxy.
- What for?!
- You will fool your ass, not me!

Convincing the population of the need to abandon phosphate-free drugs is absolutely useless and unpromising. Only state regulatory policy can help here. This is what the European countries did. And they are sitting there, too, not fools. And we will come to the same thing. But, as always, things like the giraffe reach us ...

my Somat doesn't have a vigorous smell. I don't like the finish.
Regarding the fact that tea or coffee plaque is not washed off.
You just need to wash on the correct program, namely for strong soiled dishes. And everything will be washed away
And the powder consumption is calculated from the filling of the machine. That is, not enough dishes = half the amount of powder.
After all, they are used to washing machines. They also shouted - yes, better with hands, but better to boil ...
I like Washer, PMM, and dryer. Whoever likes to breathe fairies, let them wash their hands, wash them in a basin and dry the clothes on the balcony.
And I will go to the theater or somewhere else, for pleasure.
I didn't buy any other dishes. I use my beloved, the one that I like and enjoy.
These are all things, and they serve me., Not me for them

Convincing the population of the need to abandon phosphate-free drugs is absolutely useless and unpromising. Only state regulatory policy can help here. This is what the European countries did. And they are sitting there, too, not fools. And we will come to the same thing. But, as always, things like the giraffe reach us ...

another marketing ploy. All these eco-cleaning products cost immeasurably, more expensive than conventional ones, while, in order to accustom us, eco-clean powders should be cheap, since they are correct. And chemical, which are harmful, are more expensive ..))

[Lelka]

my Somat doesn't have a vigorous smell. I don't like the finish.

Lelka, +1. I use Somat tablets. Tea and coffee deposits are washed away even with a short program. Somat gel with bloom did not cope well.
And with the purchase of PMM, I finally forgot what the skin cracking to blood on the pads of my fingers is. The dishes were washed with gloves, but they did not help either.

I finally forgot what skin cracking to blood on the pads of my fingers is

Yes! and the pens do not hurt!

my Somat doesn't have a vigorous smell.

There is! Vigorous! You just have to compare with other powders or tablets.

You just need to wash on the correct program, namely for strong soiled dishes. And everything will be washed away

There are no such programs - for heavily soiled dishes ... There are high-temperature modes. But this is for severe cases ...

And the powder consumption is calculated from the filling of the machine. That is, not enough dishes = half the amount of powder.

The amount of detergent is taken in proportion to the degree of soiling of the loaded dishes. In any adequate product, on its packaging, it is prescribed in detail, with proportions ...

And I will go to the theater or somewhere else, for pleasure.

But this is the most important and correct! Take care of yourself and value your time, which is not always, and often very rare, it turns out to be spent for the pleasure of the sensation of life ... Life with friends, with relatives, with loved ones ...

[for]

try other powders or tablets

probably we have a different Somat. I tried others, believe me.

There are no such programs - for heavily soiled dishes ...

I don’t know about you. I have, in the description of the programs, for which dishes to use



Not the name of the program, but for what ...

proportional to the degree of soiling of the dishes.

in my instructions in proportion to the load of the machine. The amount of water and the running time of the program depend on this.
It is better to refer to your instructions, and not so categorically speak
Cars are different.
The dispenser has two compartments, and it is according to the load.

I just want to understand - Irsha is not very happy with the PMM, everyone says, pick up the powder, think. Isn't it possible that the model is really not very good? Does anyone else have narrow Kandy? I would be glad to read other reviews

In any adequate product, on its packaging, it is prescribed in detail, with proportions ...

according to the instructions for the machine, use 25g of standard MS at full load, 14 sets of dishes.
And then we are already counting, judging by the instructions on the MC box.

Irsha is not very happy with the PMM, everyone says, pick up the powder, think.

there may be another reason - the water hardness has not been adjusted.
When we bought this car, I wanted to take it to the trash heap. Doesn't wash! The dishes are greasy!
Experiments with powder began. I tried everything that is on sale.
Until a friend came and told me what it was. The machine is set to normal (medium) hardness. And I have very hard, calcined water.
And now, I need my cow myself))) Regulated everything began to be washed.

what model is really not pretty?

Correct loading is our everything! You need to watch, try.
I think all PMMs have the same washing principle.
My sister, when she first saw the PMM, immediately ducked her nose into the car ... and asked with disappointment
- and where are the brushes with which he washes? ))

[Lena]

I just want to understand - Irsha is not very happy with the PMM, everyone says, pick up the powder, think. Isn't it possible that the model is really not very good? Does anyone else have narrow Kandy? I would be glad to read other reviews

Lena, I will not say anything about Kandy, I also tend to believe that the problem of poor washing is most likely from unsuitable detergents, incorrectly placed dishes. After all, the principle of any PMM is to water the dishes under pressure with cold / warm / hot water. But a lot depends on the funds. My most common problem is tea plaque. Cheap funds do not take him. Fat never had anything left with, including the cheapest powders.

Until a friend came and told me what it was. The machine is set to normal (medium) hardness.

Wasn't it in the instructions?

was not it?

was and is. So who knew what ... what to do

My most common problem is tea plaque.

it is heavy pollution. I washed it with another program, and the plaque disappeared. The remedy is the same.

[no, mmm - just let them work with me.]

Irsha is not very happy with PMM

- and where are the brushes with which he washes?

which has to be compensated for by partial abrasion before PMM

there may be another reason - the water hardness has not been adjusted

We have soft water, the rinse aid regulator is set to min.

Of course, cars of different price categories have different technical characteristics, and in terms of the power of the gushing jet too.

But I took it not at all expensive, according to my money. After consulting with a familiar master of washing machines-pmm, he said that pmm Kandy falls into his hands less, so does the manager, he is also the courier of our online store E96, we have a long-standing agreement with him, he also did not advise me of this model - no refunds.
So here is the tandem with Kandyusha - I scrub it, it washes it. And it’s not bad now.

But to leave working equipment, especially water, I do not risk the last 3 years - there are cases of sudden power outages, and here a washing machine or pmm is driving hot water, no, mmm - just let them work with me.

[Irsha]

Until no one wrote the opposite, I conclude that the budget narrow "Kandyushki" - not very. It's a pity, I looked after myself. The power, basket arrangement and sprinklers may indeed vary.

So here is the tandem with Kandyusha - I scrub it, it washes it. And it’s not bad now.

Irsha, That's not an option at all. I dreamed about PMM when I lived with my aunt and saw how perfectly the dishes were washed to a squeak and shine. They also insist that PMM is saving water and highly recommended that I buy it for this very reason).
Irsha, or maybe you have a weak water pressure in general? (I'm still trying to protect Kandy)).



And I also read that narrow and compact ones are fundamentally worse for washing than full-size ones. That is, it’s not that bad that it fits a little, but it’s worse. Can this be? Maybe yes. the area is not square, and the radius along which the valve finishes off does not reach the corners. can? What are the opinions and experiences?

Does anyone else have narrow Kandy?

I have a narrow Kandy. .... clearly .... well as complete as both Kandy washing machines that I had. When in the last apartment I suffered with Kandy, she swore to buy anything from this company. But fate decreed that a new apartment was bought already with appliances - both a washing machine and a PPM and both Kandy. That the washer does not wash, that the dishwasher does not wash.

Larissa, exhaustively! Thank you.

I have been using the compact kandy for six months with a friend - it washes perfectly.

[Irsha]

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Irsha, That's not an option at all.

Len, are you going to use it once a week, too? Irsha has very special circumstances, atypical for most PMM users (on a couple of previous pages, everything was cleared up).

NathalteNatasha, if a person has a negative attitude, he will even find defects in miele.
For example, I can say that Miele does not always wash dishes, while keeping silent at the same time that this happens when children do not just clean up the plates / cups / spoons for themselves, but when I ask them to clean the kitchen and they load the PMM completely - pots, various jars / containers / salad bowls, lids, etc. With this "minor" addition, the conclusion is completely different. And it's not about Miele at all! And it is this conclusion - which is not about PMM, but about children - is correct

They also insist that PMM is about saving water

one hundred%. Hot is not consumed at all, cold is several times less than with manual washing. Start of PMM at night - electricity at night rate.

I have a narrow Bosch, 45 cm. I use it almost every day, even when there are not enough dishes. Washes well, except that it is unsuccessful to arrange something. My grates from a gas stove, a frying pan (Woll) and a saucepan of a multicooker. Not only my meat grinder (due to darkening of aluminum, there was a sad experience with a geyser coffee maker).
Highly recommend.And the quality of washing also depends on the product used, water and settings.

[Robin bobin]

or maybe you have a weak water pressure in general?

her, the pressure from the cranes we always had good, and after the repair of common house pipes and generally powerful. By the way, such a powerful pressure of water became one of the reasons for buying PMM - too much water was poured out of the tap, and if you reduce it to the desired stream, then the gas column either does not light up or just very hot water flows. And to wash the dishes in a sink with a drain plug - somehow I don't want to, even then the umm gurgles, just a basin of water is consumed.

PMM is water saving

if this is a decisive argument, then in general there is no saving - our water is cheaper than electricity. And the machine itself is worth a lot of money.
Robin bobin, Lena, anyway, before umm, you will have to clean the dishes from food debris, and the rim in the pots also does not take umm, the topic has already said about this more than once, they say, it will wash it for the 2-3rd time anyway. Of course it will wash, but why put aside an almost clean pan, but with a rim from the soup, in um, when you can immediately remove it and MY machine is on, mine, and not clean.
All these problems have already been spoken-negotiated in the topics about PMM - both by choice, and about What can and cannot be washed in PMM.

You have a lot of money and a desire to spend it - buy an expensive, powerful one - and maybe it will launder everything by itself.
Or, like me and others - a budget model, washes a little with my help, like many, many other models.
The machine washes, does not clean, does not rub. So it's better and more beneficial for my health to rub and rinse off before PMM than to use the most vigorous powders.
But these are my realities - I have enough time.

So it's better and healthier for me to rub and rinse off before pm

In the case of Kandy, it would not be bad after the PMM.

In the case of Kandy, it would not be bad after the PMM too

No, now after pm, my dishes are clean.

The hostess basically almost does not clean the dishes before placing them in the PMM

in the video, the aunt is very offended by her Boshik.

the rim in the pans also does not take pmm, in

Damn, it's strange ... It takes me

[Nathalte]

NathalteNatasha, if a person has a negative attitude, he will even find defects in a miele.
For example, I can say that one of the most expensive in the Miele line, pmm, does not always wash dishes, while keeping silent at the same time that this happens when children do not just clean up the plates / cups / spoons, but when I ask them to clean up on kitchen, and they load the PMM completely - pots, various jars / containers / salad bowls, lids, etc. With this "minor" addition, the conclusion is completely different. And it's not about Miele at all! And it is this conclusion - which is not about PMM, but about children - is correct

Elena, I do not understand why you need to defend a model that you do not have and did not have. Two people have already written from their experience that Kandy is not very good. Why are you, not having a device, mislead someone that it is good)))?

You have a lot of money and a desire to spend it - buy an expensive, powerful one - and maybe it will launder everything by itself.
Or, like me and others - a budget model, washes a little with my help, like many, many other models.

Irsha, well, after reading the forum, I decided for myself that nothing is better than the budget one. Believe me, there are definitely models for which it is enough to wipe the garbage from the plate or, in the worst case, wipe it with a napkin. And washing before or after PMM is not my option at all. My realities are such that time is critically short).



Ferry, thanks, I'll take a closer look at the Beauches. They are, however, narrower and a little more expensive than Kandy)).

And I had time, for nothing else useless, when I wrote.
And I do not defend Kandy. I write generic for any dishwasher. Regarding Kandy, Irsha and her typewriter have completely harmonized, Natasha gives a positive review.
Sorry if my previous post disorientated you in some way.

But such conditions, on which she "harmonized", do not suit me - wash before PMM, use it once a week. I need every day, a lot, without my participation and ideally)). Kandy, apparently, does not give this.

[07]

It takes from me

also Candy CDP 2 L 952W-07?

do not suit me - wash before PMM, use it once a week. I need every day, a lot, without my participation and ideally))

As well as many!

They also insist that PMM is saving water and highly recommended that I buy it for this very reason).

To be honest, I am generally surprised by such advice. Savings when using PMM, as opposed to washing by hand, in my subjective opinion, is sooo doubtful! The most important saving is your time, which will be free from washing dishes, the health of the skin of your hands. Well, water is saved if you wash it with your hands under running water, and not in a small basin. All! In my opinion, the savings are over. And now we put a bottle of Fairy for 60 rubles. for several months against powders, salt, rinses, cleaners, which are necessary for PMM. Whatever one may say, but even for super promotions, I only have tablets less than 10 rubles / for a sink. Therefore, if you sit down and calculate the cost of the funds used for a month, you can be very surprised at your "savings". And this we do not take into account the initially considerable cost of the PMM itself. In general, if you just want to save financially - continue to wash the dishes by hand. The most important advantage of PMM is your free time and the ideal cleanliness of dishes, which is very difficult to achieve by hand washing.

I didn't have hot water for 3 months in the summer. So the PMM saved a bunch of kW compared to a water heater. In winter I did not compare

To be honest, I am generally surprised by such advice. Savings when using PMM, as opposed to washing by hand, in my subjective opinion, is sooo doubtful! The most important saving is your time, which will be free from washing dishes, the health of the skin of your hands. Well, water is saved if you wash it with your hands under running water, and not in a small basin. All! In my opinion, the savings are over. And now we put a bottle of Fairy for 60 rubles. for several months against powders, salt, rinses, cleaners, which are necessary for PMM. Whatever one may say, but even for super promotions, I only have tablets less than 10 rubles / for a sink. Therefore, if you sit down and calculate the cost of the funds used for a month, you can be very surprised at your "savings". And we do not take into account the initially considerable cost of the PMM itself. In general, if you just want to save financially - continue to wash the dishes by hand. The most important advantage of PMM is your free time and the ideal cleanliness of dishes, which is very difficult to achieve by hand washing.

+10000 Strongly agree

After consulting with a familiar master of washing machines-pmm, he said that pmm Kandy falls into his hands less, so does the manager, he is also the courier of our online store E96, we have a long-standing agreement with him, he also did not advise me of this model - no refunds.

Candy has modest PMM sales, compared to Bosch / Siemens / Electrolux, etc. If they sold 10 Candy and 1000 Bosch / Siemens / Electrolux, etc., then repair 1 Candy and 50 Bosch / Siemens / Electrolux, etc. , - consider what is more reliable ... That is, a smaller number of brand model repairs is not yet an indicator of reliability. It is also necessary to take into account the total number of PMMs of a particular brand in operation by the population ...

Candy has modest PMM sales compared to Bosch / Siemens / Electrolux

perhaps.
This simply suggests that the bulk of the PMM buyers do not get the last ruble from their wallet. And since they decided to spend the money, they want the maximum benefit. But again - it's worth baboutmore money.

Kandy and similar "budget" PMM also wash, not as powerfully as smart boshes and myele, require some help - with desire owner. I think that if I spent more and bought a thermonuclear powder, and not also quite budgetary, then Kandy washed me more without rinsing first.

But I don’t need it - time allows me to help, hmm, but my wallet doesn’t. Some have the opposite.

Each model has its own pros and cons.

It is good that now you can choose electrical appliances for different wallets.
I brought my experience of machine dishwashing, it is possible that for such retired aunties with a little extra money and free time it will come in handy.
Helping the machine a little by hand without emptying a thick wallet - I think this is not a bad way out.

It is also necessary to take into account the total number of PMMs of a particular brand in operation by the population ...

+ take into account the place of residence. Or is it a million-plus city with high incomes among the population.
Or a small town where buying a PMM is not an ordinary event.

then Kandy washed me more without pre-rinsing.

Irochka, I work at a shoe polish factory and I have this shoe polish, well, just heaps
Believe me, a variety of tools do not save the situation with Kandy's poor performance
I've tried 8 different ones. At the moment I have 4 available at home.
Last time I threw two different

They also insist that PMM is water saving

Lena, if you have read the whole topic on PMM, you could read how one of the members of the forum made measurements on the consumption of water and funds, that is, she calculated in great detail how much one wash in PMM costs with a tablet and powder, how much water is consumed per month , what kind of savings, etc. This is at least a few years ago, everyone thought, so if you are interested, then read the topic first.

Therefore, if you sit down and calculate the cost of the funds used for a month, you can be very surprised at your "savings"

Anya, you can not count ... the girls on the forum have already calculated everything for a long time and laid out the most detailed "mathematics"

[Larssevsk]

Larssevsk, Larissa, do you produce or pmm or powders for pmm?

Well, I'm not agitating anyone to buy this particular model of Kandy, I wrote about its shortcomings, I brought the price-quality ratio.
Not everyone can buy elite things, and "budget" options work quite well.

Believe me, a variety of tools do not save the situation with Kandy's poor performance

If it were not for Kandy standing in my kitchen, I could believe or not believe other people's words. But she's standing there, washing the dishes for me. Now, having understood how the PMM works and having understood what she can and what not, I am quite happy with her.

Any aggregate requires its own approach to it. All such topics are discussed.

you produce

I sell them

Ira, OK, you like to use it, I'm very happy for you. So I'm out of luck. I put a big and bold cross for myself at the Kandy firm, and even more so for good people I will certainly not recommend this firm

Now, having understood how the PMM works and having understood what she can and what not, I am quite happy with her.

Oh, okay. The main thing is that you are comfortable. Who cares what are you doing there with her, if it suits you both?)) A friend from me also bought a detached narrow Kandy, only not for two, but for four, she was so happy!
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Virgo, dishwashers, the pressure in the water supply is up to the bulb, but the voltage in the network is very important. There are also motors in the pumps. And a heater. Hence, we have a logical conclusion - at low voltage, the water heats up longer than it should be and part of the time the dishes are washed with colder water (on fixed programs, of course; in automatic ones, I don’t know) and at low voltage the motor also gives out the pressure of jets weaker than planned. If we take into account that in Europe the voltage is 230V (in the sense that the devices are designed for it), and in our country which one will have to (before 220 was considered the norm, now I don’t know) and not always even 200-210, then you need to make a discount on this. Although it mainly washes the detergent, and not the pressure of the jet, it cannot be discounted, as it seems to me.

Who cares what you are doing with her there if it suits you both?))

I have a Kandy desktop, the most budgetary at the time of purchase. I'm happy with the typewriter. Somewhere in the subject I wrote, compared two PMM Indesit for 45 and the desktop Kandy. It is about the desktop that I can only say that it cannot be loaded in two rows, in this case it washes badly. She does not have two, like the floor ones, but one rocker.You can put the edges of the bowl on top of each other, but in the floor-standing Indesit on top of the pots-bowls I put a double boiler with holes from the multi and everything was washed, this number does not work from the tabletop. And the pots are not washed, and the steamer is dirty. But these are the features of a desktop machine, it seems to me.
The only thing is that we have very hard water, even with the first Indesit I played with the salt settings, the amount of powder and rinse aid. Played for a long time. But I didn't like the result. Now my tablets of a certain company, I divide them in half. In this case, salt is required and rinse aid at a minimum is required. There are several more types of tablets that I was satisfied with the quality of washing, but they are more expensive. Sometimes I try to experiment, buy other pills, I am not happy with the result and go back to my loved ones.

[Chamomile]

Chamomile, and what tablets do you wash?

[Nathalte]

Nathalte, Dishwasher tablets Clean & Fresh All in 1 and others more expensive Filtero. But they suit me with our water, not the fact that it will suit you.

[Chamomile]

Chamomile, quite. I also like these, especially if you need to wash something. For daily use myobio.

Dishwasher tablets Clean & Fresh All in 1

I also have been washing these pills for several years, I am very pleased with them. And I divide, but for a large typewriter in half a tablet - it does well. Others don't fit at all.

Dishwasher tablets Clean & Fresh All in 1

Girls, where do you buy them? I use the salt of this company, I take it in Auchan, but there are no such pills there.

[Vredin @]

Vredin @, I just took it in Auchan. It seems like I've seen it in a magnet ... Actually, I've met it quite often.

[Vredin @]

Vredin @, these are the ones I take in yulmart. There are many more expensive Filtero.

[Nathalte]

Nathalte, Chamomile, yeah, girls, thanks, I google it, you can order it in online stores. How do you cope with tea bloom? This is my biggest problem with inexpensive tablets and powders.