Dishwasher selection (2)

[Svetlana2010]

I also have PM Beko, but 5830. Washes well, although the price is not even Zanussi, much cheaper. It all depends on the arrangement of the dishes. Once only the slightly burnt porridge was not washed, but it was necessary to pre-soak it, as advised by experienced users.
Svetlana2010, you can simply "play" with the arrangement of the dishes.

BOSCH, German assembly, for 12 persons, with half load.

I am also very happy with my eyelid, just when I really need to wash something that has dried up, I put it on soaking (or rinsing) for 15 minutes - it helps !!!

Siemens, German assembly, 12 sets, with all the bells and whistles such as aqua-stop, optical sensor, etc. Very satisfied, it works quietly, if not for her "red eye" would not know when she finished working.

I want to stand up for my girl, I have had Electrolux 63021 for more than a year now, it washes wonderfully, it washes all dishes, and pots and pans, and grates from a gas stove and grates from a hood (I don't take into account incorrectly placed dishes, when objects overlap each other) ... Especially soiled mine on the intensive program 75 gr. We have a family of 4 people, the car washes every day, sometimes twice a day. Absolutely no complaints, except for one, she herself does not pull out the dishes. The only thing I would like to have for my car is a delayed start.

I want to stand up for my girl, I have had Electrolux 63021 for more than a year now, it washes wonderfully, it washes all dishes, and pots and pans, and grates from a gas stove and grates from a hood (I don't take into account incorrectly placed dishes, when objects overlap each other) ...

Tell me, what detergents do you use?

Tell me, what detergents do you use?

Most often, salt powder and rinse - Calgonite, sometimes I change the powder to Somat. I use tablets very rarely, usually when I don't have time to buy a new powder - Finish all in one

Most often, the salt powder and rinse is Calgonite, sometimes I change the powder to Somat. I use tablets very rarely, usually when I don't have time to buy a new powder - Finish all in one

Thank you) Which of the programs do you use most often? And did you fall in love with cold or hot water?

Which program do you use the most? And did you fall in love with cold or hot water?

My favorite is the "B" program (65g), although after the guests I use the quick 30 min program (60g). The car was connected to cold water, which significantly saves us the payment for hot water (and for cold, by the way, too), and the quality of hot water leaves much to be desired, it is a pity for the car

[iren_adler]

Can you tell us more about the quality of hot water? We have it as usual, it does not differ from the cold one, at least externally)
iren_adler, another question about drying, read reviews that it dries badly, what about it?

[Lillu]

Lillu, about hot water in more detail:
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=27364.0

[iren_adler]

Can you tell us more about the quality of hot water? We have it as usual, it does not differ from the cold one, at least externally)
iren_adler, another question about drying, read reviews that it dries badly, what about it?

Jefry has already given a reference about hot water, and in terms of drying, everything is fine, like all cars with drying class A, small drops of water remain on the plastic, otherwise everything is OK. Even when washing dishes on a short program without drying, if you open the door ajar and do not take out the dishes immediately, everything gets dry

Hello, dear forum users and forum users !!! Happy New Year reading your forum.Very interesting and pleasant! You are all so positive !!! Thanks to you, my husband is now safely installing MY NEW DISHWASHER in the kitchen !!!! I'm happy!

Eyelid DFN 6611.
Long suffered from the problem of choice. I read many articles, forums, reviews about various PMs. I traveled around a bunch of shops, in which I saw a lot, but learned little about the PM. I made a comparison table for myself. And my Vekoshechka won !!!
Special thanks to the owners of Vekoshek from this forum - they helped, convinced !!!
I tell you: I ordered through the online store (for the first time in my life). I was worried in vain - everything is in order, they brought it.
Electricity was pulled from the shield especially for her, a separate machine was installed.
Husband connected on his own for 1.5 hours
And now SHE WORKS !!! Launching the first time, out of greed, she shoved old lids from pots and pans into it. Now they shine (Quick / Clean program 58min), and it's a pity to throw them away, but now there is nowhere to put them. While she was working, we solemnly "washed" the event. And the dishes after "washing", since it was already too late, washed on the Mini for 30 minutes. Who said that after the accelerated program there is no drying? The dishes are hot, dry and sparkling !!! It's already scary to take in your hands to smudge with your fingers.
In general, there is no limit to my delight !!! Oh, just not to jinx it !!!

[Klimola]

Klimola , very happy about you. And so I wanted to be happy for myself !!!!! Well, I have no place for PM !!! Although lately I have been increasingly thinking about extreme measures - to throw out everything junk the necessary things from the boxes and put PM in their place. A couple more of the same rave reviews and I will definitely decide! Once again I congratulate you !!!! And all the same I'll go and look at your model with one eye!

[Omela,]

Omela, I thought for a very long time that I had no place for PMM, but .... I was just persuaded to do it .... to find a place and it was found absolutely painless, I removed unnecessary ones (as it turned out, cupboards ... and here it is happiness (more for my husband) I have a PMM, does the dishes, but how well my darling does, and after all, everything is at night when we sleep. So I think a small revision will reveal to you some excess drawers, thereby providing a free space in the sun, for your assistant.

The whole problem is that I have the only place for PMM - these are these three boxes:



More precisely, two drawers and a door under the sink, which immediately disappears, since the sink bulges out there and the PMM will not work. So these two boxes are 40cm each. But if the central one is pulled out, and the left one is moved close to the stove (however, at the same time it will crawl out 5 cm from under the countertop), then a miracle will happen !!!! The place really is !!!! But how will he be without a table top? And PMM 45cm is as good as 60? I looked at the Beko DFS 1500, it already has a B wash class.

You can also order a new countertop (which was in my case). In our city, I found a narrow Veko only such a DFS 2531 there is everything A that I needed.

[Tanyulya]

You can also order a new countertop (which was in my case).

Semyon Semyonitch !!!!!!! I didn't even have such a thought !!! This is what collective intelligence means !!!!! Tanyulya , I'm afraid to believe my happiness !!!!!! I already found it !!!! There is only one little thing left - to inform her husband about this good news. He is still away and does not know what awaits him at home !!!

Omela, my epic with the PMM also began with the fact that all my relatives twisted their fingers to their temples, complained about the lack of space in the kitchen, convinced of the need to preserve all kitchen junk, etc. But I was adamant !!!
According to the reviews, I immediately tuned in to full-size, and in the store in a live Vekoshechka saw only 45cm (I don't remember specifically the model). Oh, how I liked her !!!!! I even thought that if my 60cm was not brought to order, I would take it (neither the overpayment nor the size stopped it). Thank God my 60cm has arrived !!! And the place was found, and she stood up like a native. True, not all kitchen junk is still laid out, but no one even remembered what went to the trash heap! And how they took care!
But now the whole family admires the result of her work !!! I had no idea how "arranged" my saucepans, which were periodically cleaned with a toothbrush in hard-to-reach places. And here for 1 time everything lagged behind, the pans are like new !!!
Do not hesitate, PMM is a holiday in the kitchen !!!
Now I choose HP. The husband is terrified!

More. My PM has a class of washing and energy consumption AA, drying B. Of course, I have nothing to compare with my own eyes, even after an accelerated 30-minute wash, the dishes are absolutely dry. A few drops remain on the plastic, but it's not critical and you don't have to wipe it off with a towel !!!

[Klimola]

Now I choose HP. The husband is terrified!

Klimola Your husband is not yet aware that this is just the beginning !!!!! If you have already come to our forum, great affairs devices !!!!!! And about HP I can say my opinion. I baked in HP for 2 years until I tried to bake bread in the oven. And that's all. Now only bread from the oven !!!!! In no case do I dissuade you from buying HP. Just consider this option: kneading in a dough mixer or food processor and baking in the oven. Good luck!
Py. sy. Now you seem to be my godmother to my future PMM !!!

[Omela]

Expensive Omela, I am glad to become a godmother for your future PMM! Hope it happens very soon !!!
And about your husband - you're right. He, I think, does not yet assess the size of my far-reaching plans, born thanks to already to our forum... I am preparing it gradually!
Thanks for the advice on HP. She's next in line. And my gas oven is not very good. So guess what's next? Electric mini oven. But my husband doesn't know about it yet!

[Omela]

Omela, it turns out that the acquisition of PMM is a resolved issue? Congratulations!
KlimolaAnd I wish you a lot of useful things.

We had a story here with Hairpin, it seems to me that she stuck a dishwasher into a 40cm cabinet.))))

So guess what's next? Electric mini oven.

This is a necessary thing, I have one, though in the country. Girls, right now they are discussing it here here

it turns out that the acquisition of PMM is a resolved issue?

Tomorrow they will bring it !!! I didn't even choose anything. Whichever one you advised, she took it !!!

But my husband doesn't know about it yet!

My too!

[Mistletoe]

The whole problem is that I have the only place for PMM - these are these three boxes:



More precisely, two drawers and a door under the sink, which immediately disappears, since the sink bulges out there and the PMM will not work. So these two boxes are 40cm each. But if the central one is pulled out, and the left one is moved close to the stove (however, at the same time it will crawl out 5 cm from under the countertop), then a miracle will happen !!!! The place really is !!!! But how will he be without a table top? And PMM 45cm is as good as 60? I looked at the Beko DFS 1500, it already has a B wash class.

Mistletoe! Sent me here Boo Boo... I had a similar situation. What does the sink mean? I had a few centimeters from the edge of the sink to the edge of the partition. And the section to the right of the sink is 40 cm. The husband eliminated both partitions (from the sink and from the 40 cm section) + a stock between the partition and the sink ... And the dishwasher got in !!! Now between the edge of the dishwasher and the sink ... 5-7 mm. BUT I HAVE IT !!!
Honestly, when the dishwasher was already in the corridor, we were not sure that it would fit ... The distance in the light was impossible to measure ...

And then I ordered new facades and all TYPE-TOP !!!

[Hairpin]

Hairpin!!!! I love you (and for a long time) Slazila under the sink - really there are these ill-fated 5cm !!!! that is, Plus, my cabinet is 40cm + partition - 2 = there is even a small store !!! And replacing one hinged door is generally garbage !!! In general, the machine will arrive tomorrow, my husband, however, in a week !!! But now I'm 100% sure that it will fit! Thank you all, girls, for your care and attention!

[Mistletoe]

Mistletoe... The facade from the sink will also have to be changed ... It will decrease by 5 cm.If you cannot buy the same one, then let your spouse grinder these cm from the door from sawing ...

And we will smear the cut with nail polish of the same color !!! (well, I then decided for myself).

GOOD LUCK !!!

[Mistletoe]

Mistletoe... The facade from the sink will also have to be changed ... It will decrease by 5 cm.If you cannot buy the same one, then let your spouse grinder these cm from the door from sawing ...

Straight rationalization proposals come with unprecedented force !!! I went and looked at the door again - and lo and behold !!! You won't have to saw anything. I have double doors under my sink. One of them is pressed by the washer, it does not open and protrudes practically by these 4-5 cm. So I take off that door (it is still not visible), and I push this one towards the washer. And my countertop is 3cm.sticks out above the left extreme box, you can still move a little there !!! Damn, where have you all been before. I slept for so many years and saw the PMM !!!! But the mind was not enough to think of it herself! Once again, thank you all very much !!! How to deliver - invite to washing rolling in !!!

And my only place where you can stick the dishwasher is under the sink. Therefore, only options for free-standing compact dishwashers pass, such as:

Dimensions (HxWxD) -45x50x49 Capacity - 6 sets of dishes (I can't even imagine how much it is in pieces and what).
It will pass, provided the husband can remake the siphon at the sink. Yes, and the trash bucket will be outside ... So I don't know which is better, to try to shove the dishwasher or when the bucket is not visible ...

[Boo Boo]

Damn, where have you all been before.

Well, actually, it would be correct to say what is here Boo Boo did it before. If she hadn’t dangled in my PM, I wouldn’t have looked here!
It appears so ... Everyone gathered their strength and began to scold Boo Boo!

People fuck up ... they wash dishes for hours ... and she ... and she ... This one Boo Boo!!!

[JEFFREY]

And my only place where you can stick the dishwasher is under the sink. Therefore, only options for freestanding compact dishwashers pass

NO!!! The presence of a compact dishwasher and the absence of a dishwasher are generally identical concepts !!!

The dishwasher should have washing and drying classes A. Otherwise ... otherwise ... WE WILL COME WITH JEFFREY AND WE HARD EVERYONE !!!

And we with Jeffrey - strength (dreamily ...)

[Hairpin,]

Hairpin, but what to do, the kitchen is small. By the way, a question. Why is drying class A so important?

Found here a description for Electrolux:
Dishwasher Electrolux ESF 2450 - product description

Compact dishwasher. There is always a place for her.
Option to delay program start
Water purity sensor
Cold or hot water connection
Float switch for leakage protection

Installation Type: Compact
White colour
Loading, sets of dishes: 6
Energy class: A
Washing class: A
Drying class: B
Electricity consumption per cycle, kWh: 0.63
Water consumption per cycle, l: 7
Drying system: Traditional drying
Number of programs: 4
Number of temperature modes: 3
Washing programs: Auto 45-70, Eco 55, Intensive 70, Fast 50
Indicators: Start delay, Drying, End of program, Add rinse aid, Add salt, Save energy, Wash
Leakage protection system: Float switch
Noise level according to IEC704-3, dB (A): 48
Water hardness adjustment levels: 5
Connected load, W: 1180
Weight, kg: 20.6
Height, mm: 447
Width, mm: 545
Depth, mm: 480
Country of origin: Poland

[Sonadora]

Sonadora How many people live in the apartment and how many meals a day? Do you cook often?

Hairpin And I immediately, as I noticed, whistled immediately.

[Hairpin,]

Hairpin, but what to do, the kitchen is small. By the way, a question. Why is drying class A so important?

1. What if the kitchen is small? And this is asked from a person whose kitchen is 4.5 sq. m., and there are more devices than anyone on the forum? DO NOT HURRY AND USE THE COLLECTIVE MIND !!! And including mine (well, if I Boo Boo whistles in time ...).
2. Drying class is essential because plates, spoons, forks and cups MUST BE DRY !!!! This does not apply to plastic.
3. SonaDora! If you pick up the correspondence at the beginning of my thinking about installing a dishwasher, you will see that at first I wanted a compact one ... then I wanted a freestanding one in the bathroom ... And then a muse came to me ... we drank with her ... Well, the results are already everybody knows!

Upload photos of the kitchen (if you haven't posted it yet, I don't look at this topic anymore) and boom! FFFse !!!

[Hairpin]

Hairpin, let me express my great respect to you !!!
My drying class B gives absolutely dry dishes even after a 30 minute wash !!! And I have absolutely no Bosch !!! And the plastic, as I wrote earlier, does not have to be wiped off.
And about the size I absolutely agree !!! I can't imagine how I would have laid out the 45cm dishes, and I'm afraid to think about the compact. Although friends use it and are very satisfied.
: :) Dreams: 80cm, no, 1 meter PM !!!

[Klimola]

Klimola!
1. I took the respect.
2. Mark Veko now commands me a lot of respect. Considering that I have access to both Bosch and Veko.
3. Take the bread maker SD-255/254.

Oh thank you!!! I am tormented by the choice of HP, now I read about them (although I have already read everything for a long time). And your advice is just in the subject. Only 256 or 257?

Well, here's my beauty! As if it was all the way here and stood !!!!


I got up with minimal costs! The bedside table protrudes 2.5 cm from under the table top. My husband hooked up in half a day. I downloaded it for the first time. Works.

[Kalmykova]

Kalmykova , Thank you!!! Now, with trepidation, she went and looked at what she had washed there. I have never had such clean dishes. And about glass, I generally keep quiet !!!! My husband, and he was very skeptical, said: I have no questions! The only thing is that there are drops on the plastic and it itself is somewhat foggy. Maybe you need to keep it open to dry it? Or nothing if closed?

[WELL YES WHOM AFTER EVEN THE SMALLEST REPAIR, THERE WASN'T REMAINING SMALL CROSSINGS !!! YES IN ANYONE ...]

It sticks out ... doesn't stick out ... Here ... damn it ...

WELL YES WHOM AFTER EVEN THE SMALLEST REPAIR, THERE WASN'T REMAINING SMALL CROSSINGS !!! YES IN ANYONE ...

There are two options for the development of events:
1. Smart. Find this joint and be glad that it is not as big as it could be;
2. Another. Fully concentrate on this jamb and see nothing else besides it.

Here yourself and choose which option is yours!

Yes, I have already forgotten to think about it ... How to do with the machine - open it so that it dries inside or not, it will dry itself!

If you keep it open for a long time, steam and moisture will be released. This I mean that the countertop can swell. And how are you going to walk around the open dishwasher ... I wipe the plastic with a towel and don't bother.

I rarely take out the dishes right away, and if not immediately, then everything is dry.

If you keep it open for a long time, steam and moisture will be released. This I mean that the countertop can swell.

When installing, they put a protective metal plate on the bottom of the tabletop. And, in general, today for the first time in 8 years my PMM has gone to waste. Called the master .... What will he say?

My countertop is already crumbling by itself. I looked, there seems to be no place at all where moisture can get. She stood up straight flush.

I have today for the first time in 8 years the PMM has gone out of business.

It's a shame ...

My countertop is already crumbling by itself. I looked, there seems to be no place at all where moisture can get. She stood up straight flush.
It's a shame ...

The plate is thin, it is attached to the bottom of the tabletop to protect it from hot steam.

[Omela]

Omela, Congratulations!!!
My goddaughter is so cute !!!
May she please you with long and high-quality work !!!

[Omela,]

Omela, Congratulations! Just like my beauty. Let it wash well.
My husband is more happy with this acquisition