Choosing a dishwasher

Calcium carbonate is baking soda, or, as it is also called, soda ash.

Mmm .. Isn't soda sodium ??
We, in the ion exchanger, are just changing the calcium from water to sodium from resin, don't we?

So I don’t understand why it’s like that.

And with the dishes, nothing can get such a rub? Theoretically, glass is a fairly hard material, you can scratch it with ground coffee or something else, but you never know? Maybe the carbon deposits from the pans are crushed and turned into an abrasive or something else? ...

its ground coffee or something else you scratch with figs, but you never know? Maybe the carbon deposits from the pans are crushed and turned into an abrasive or something else? ...

We don't drink coffee, don't wash pans,

[Zhenya-88i]

Zhenya-88i, I had it while washing with powder, but switched to gel and the problem went away by itself. I have been using the gel for 5-6 years.

[Tanyusha]

Tanyusha, Tanya, and what gel do you use? And from what powder did you scratch?

[Mona1]

Mona1, I use Japanese gels, and I had bravix powder.

I appeal to the collective mind. If the dishes are with a pattern, then in the PMM the pattern is gradually washed off. And I was sure that it should be so, if I had not seen that my friend had the same glasses as mine (that is, absolutely the same), after 4 years of washing in the dishwasher, they did not lose the picture at all, whereas after for two years the drawing was gone, the glasses turned white. Our dishwashers are almost the same, Bosch, she uses Finish pills, and I'm Bio Mio. Maybe someone has any suggestions on this, why is this?

[Maryka]

Maryka, are the programs the same too?

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lenayes, we are using an automatic program with a quick wash function. For some reason, on a long program, the tablet does not dissolve to the end.

Well, if almost identical machines with the same algorithm, the same program and the same dishes are equally located in the baskets (and not washed in one of the cases below using the "intensive zone"), then it seems that different consequences were obtained due to different detergents facilities. Although I have always considered Finish to be very thermonuclear chemistry, I still have to change my mind.)))

I have very few painted dishes, and I try to wash them in the car less often or put them neatly on the upper corners. But downstairs is my white glass salad bowls with a small and subtle pattern in a couple of places. So, on a couple of salad bowls, some areas also laughed. ((

[Bijou]

Bijou, Lena, I also think the Finish is thermonuclear. My dishes are mostly white. But I bought these glasses exactly because they did not change color from my friend after six months of washing in the PMM. I also have a Soviet coffee service with a small drawing. The service is 100 years old. It has been washing in the dishwasher for 6 years. And only in some places the paint faded slightly.

[Maryka]

Maryka, well, maybe by the way, it might really be that like the same glasses, but from a completely different batch, behave differently, I also wash with a table set in use for 7 years in a dishwasher for 1.5 years of intensive washes, but bought 2 plates instead of those broken through a couple of weeks started to wash

So I don’t understand why it’s like that.

My pills were scratched by new enamel pots, I decided that I would no longer wash them in the PMM. The enamel is too thin.

Mine only with powders, my cars are narrow - in the city and desktop in the village, the tablet is designed for a large PMM. Anyway, I sprinkle a little and everything is washed off normally. But the pans, although my steel is thick, I still wash by hand

Girls! Yesterday I washed it for the first time with liquid gel (brought from Finka) sooooo liked it! I will look here.

Girls! Yesterday I washed it for the first time with liquid gel (brought from Finka) sooooo liked it! I will look here.

Yes, I read the reviews, people praise the gel. But it is necessary to compare the price-volume and the period for which there is enough money. Just in case, I bought Finish tablets, I didn't like the smell, it's too "chemical". The wash quality is good, but expensive. It so happened that the powder ran out unexpectedly quickly. 1 kg was enough for me for exactly a month. Maybe she poured a lot? The machine has never been run in full mode, or 1 hour, or 2.5 hours - "half" of the normal mode.

it is necessary to compare the price, the volume and the period for which there is enough money.

ABOUT!! This is for me on Temko .. I like to count everything, compare .. I will make a plate!

ABOUT!! This is for me on Temko .. I like to count everything, compare .. I will make a plate!

Well, that's great! Do not forget to write the results of your analytical work. I came across an article in which the tools were tested by Roskontrol specialists.
🔗
Here's an expert opinion.

[black glass]

But I bought these glasses exactly because they did not change color from my friend after six months of washing in the PMM.

Of course, I was late, but as I saw ...
My sister and I have visually identical wine glasses, only I have black legs, and hers - with blue ones. Mine is 11 years old and even if only henna, everything peeled off after several cycles in the PMM. I have a Luminark with legs from black glass, there is simply nothing to wash off, and she has some kind of luminark with legs, on which a colored coating is applied. It was. That's the whole secret.

[zvezda]

zvezda,
Olya, can I have a photo of the gel?

[HelenaAlex]

HelenaAlex, oh, Len, thank you for the link, otherwise I bought some Italian tablets (not a word in Russian), but it was positioned that it was without phosphates. I'll go and see if there is anything about them.

Pliz!

We have Finish "Shine & Protect: All in1" 1000 ml, gel 3007344 "Dishwashing detergent available online at a price of 530,00 ₽ and up to 1,150,00 ₽ per bottle (from 13.25 ₽ and up to 28, 75 ₽ per cycle)

Gel product
Concentrate yes
Dishwashing functions
Temperature setting is suitable for low temperatures
Suitable for glass, stainless steel
Contains enzymes
Surfactants nonionic 5%
Does not contain chlorine, fragrances
Consumption 40 cycles / 25 ml per cycle
Use on short programs yes

I brought it from Finka ... so I can't say what we have and what gel

[Olya]

Olya, what's the name? I also use Finnish pills, I like

[contributions and donations from organizations and citizens]

Here's an expert opinion.

well, I don’t know ... I don’t trust them .. and an old little article ...

Roskontrol operates at the expense of contributions and donations from organizations and citizens, among which there are no interested parties - neither manufacturers nor retailers

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, so I'm writing about the gel🤗 posted a photo

well, I don’t know ... I don’t trust them .. and an old little article ...

And you're doing the right thing.
As far as I remember, this is a non-governmental organization, biased and there are courts on the use of Ros in the name. And the court forbade him to use it, but you see for yourself. I earned mainly by forcing manufacturers to pay with their negative reviews and "examinations", for which there are no corresponding capacities and equipment ... In short, I'll find where I read it)).

In particular, I found on one of the forums:

ROSKONTROL has nothing to do with the Russian state control and certification bodies and does not have its own research base!

ROSKONTROL is a private project in which several private (non-state) affiliated organizations are actively involved with the name Roskontrol, which illegally use the particle ROS, derived from the word Russia, in their name.
At the same time, the project, which aims to protect consumer rights and support bona fide business, does not consider its name to be shameful to mislead consumers and business participants. Thus, the Moscow Arbitration Court, by its decision of 30.09.2016 in case No. А40-112321 / 16-147-972, established that CJSC Roskontrol illegally uses a word derived from Russia in its name and ordered CJSC Roskontrol to bring the corporate name in accordance with the norms of civil legislation, excluding the particle "ROS" from the abbreviated corporate name. However, the said court decision has not been executed to date.
The particle "ROS" used in the name does not mean "Russian control", but is an abbreviation of the following full names of organizations: Non-commercial partnership Regional Organization of the CONTROL System (NP Roskontrol), Closed Joint-Stock Company "Managing Body of the CONTROL System" (CJSC Roskontrol ").

ROSKONTROL carries out its activities at the expense of contributions from organizations and citizens!

Many "disclosures" by ROSKONTROL have been found to be untrue and discrediting the business reputation of manufacturers! (cases No.A40-78479 / 2015, No.A40-112321 / 2016, No.A40-169466 / 2014, No.A40-179009 / 2016, No.A40-186887 / 2015, No.A40-187023 / 2015, No.A40-228877 / 2015 ).

An analysis of the structure and activities of Roskontrol cannot but raise doubts about the objectivity, impartiality and gratuitousness of both the project itself and the research conducted by it.

Roskontrol's activities may be aimed at receiving compensation from you (contributions or donations) for a positive assessment of your products (works, services).

Roskontrol's activities can be used by interested parties in unfair competition with you.

BEWARE! Your company can become a victim of private projects, declared the goal of consumer protection and SUPPORT GOOD BUSINESS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOUR names and activities of misleading consumers, distribute INACCURATE INFORMATION AND discredits the business reputation of the manufacturer.

[Nata]

Nata, Scarecrow, what is under the spoiler, you need to lay out in big red letters !!!!

there are courts on the use of Ros in the name.

as this is misleading.

Not misleading. I read the reviews about the same. Well, what's the difference that the old article, the tested products from the sale have not disappeared. According to people's reviews, about the same. Although the reviews are not 100% trustworthy. You have to test it yourself. One thing I can say is that the funds that were attached to the Magic tablet machine are rare rubbish, they do not wash at all. Well, Finish is perhaps the most common means. The article says yes, what is the advantage of the gel - the absence of abrasive substances. Maybe my pans will like it, because the pills scratched the enamel

So what's the difference

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We have already discussed and shared our experience here.
I just can't understand how the tablets scratch the enamel? And you don't scratch with spoons and kitchens? I read and wonder

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, so I'm writing about the gel🤗 posted a photo

Olya, forgive blindfolding, I thought you were talking about some kind of Finnish brand gel))) so I wanted to know which one
I use X-tra tablets, inexpensive and effective even on a short program in my case

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We have already discussed and shared our experience here.
I just can't understand how the tablets scratch the enamel? And you don't scratch with spoons and kitchens? I read and wonder

Well, be surprised if this surprises you. The bottom of the enamel pots became striped, and the ceramic ladle after washing in the PMM became significantly ragged and chipped. Do you have a reason not to trust my words as well as Roskontrol?

[HelenaAlex]

HelenaAlex, and what is your PMM, maybe it's also about it? I do not question your words, I just would like to understand why this happens ...or some counterfeit tablets were slipped to you. I have tablets in town, I rarely use them, only when the load is 150%, this is when some of the dishes are in two layers on top of each other. Once I hear "bams" when the tablet falls to the bottom and then it does not knock and does not show signs of life. In the city I have a narrow Hansa

[Elena]

if it surprises you

Elena, HelenaAlex, I wondered. For so many years of using both powder and tablets.
Maybe the water is scratching? Why pills fell out of favor.

after washing in the PMM, the ceramic ladle became substantially peeled and chipped.

can you show? Purely out of curiosity
Somehow the girls shared that yes, stripes appear. But from the water. Maybe the holes in the rocker arms are clogged and there is a very strong pressure. Thinking out loud

Well, be surprised if this surprises you. The bottom of the enamel pots became striped, and the ceramic ladle after washing in the PMM became significantly ragged and chipped.

Ooh .. And here the degradation arrived.))) But not on the dishes with which Bijou scared.

This enamel quality is nasty, the washing temperature is high, and the water in the sink is too soft and alkaline. The combination of all these factors leads to accelerated destruction. And if the Soviet enamel lasts a long time, then the modern Chinese one loses its finishing shine too quickly. And the drawing at the same time. ((

[zvezda]

zvezdaOlya, I've only been using gel for a long time, but I'm buying Japanese, maybe it's expensive, but I like it. I took Italian one time, I liked it too, but I didn't see it on sale again.

[Tanyusha]

Tanyusha, Hi dear! I liked it too, but I haven't seen Japanese

modern Chinese loses its gloss too quickly.

+1000000! The pro says (immediately visible)

[HelenaAlex]

HelenaAlex, and what is your PMM, maybe it's also about it? I don't question your words, I just would like to understand why this is happening ... or some counterfeit pills were slipped into you I have tablets in the city, I rarely use them, only at 150% load, this is when part of the dishes in two layers each friend. Once I hear "bams" when the tablet falls to the bottom and then it does not knock and does not show signs of life. In the city I have a narrow Hansa

I can’t say anything about the quality of the tablets, Magic, they seemed to be washed normally. But the whole bottom of the enamel saucepan became a circular strip. The pan is white and there is a very thin layer of enamel on it. Well, in general, two pots were damaged, in a Deliman ceramic ladle. Kind of normal quality ceramics d. B. But it became such a shabby appearance that I no longer began to experiment. My assumptions are that PMM has a very strong pressure, which seems to be good for high-quality washing. Why did I decide that? I tried the PMM detergent, as it should be, put it down with a cork, BUT !!!! after the end of the program, the detergent can was upside down. I was surprised and thought. There was also such a fact - I put the lids from under the yogurt cans sideways, and then they lie upside down full of dirty water. But when I read the comparative analysis of powders-tablets-gel. The absence of abrasive particles was indicated as an advantage of the gel.

I'll ask here.
Today I found a white deposit on two glass glasses. The glasses are not new, they have already been washed in Pmm, the product is also not new. ... Powder Finish. Already coming to an end.
Salt poured a week ago. They poured everything, there is no package. Large.
What to add / twist? Until my husband left)))

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera, and what kind of plaque? Like white dust and a finger is erased without a trace? Or how?

Or how?

Here's a plaque. As if the glass is frosted.
This was when I started using the PMM. The French cups turned dull and then washed and are now normal.
And why are these? You can not touch the machine, do not interfere with the machine to work ...

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera, but what about the rinse aid?
From my experience I can say that many new products: powders, tablets) were washed well at first and only towards the middle or the end of the product did the dishes become bloody. It is treated by returning to the old, good, familiar remedy. Before this return, it is advisable to clean the machine special. remedy or lemon.

[Olga]

Olga, wash my car once a month, the same rinse aid .. a little more than half a bottle ...



Full moon, not otherwise

Oh ... This is a sore subject for me lately.
I used Claro powder almost all the time. I liked it. The powder ran out and moved to the Finish.
About the stingy who pays twice, yeah, that's me. Damn what. Didn't fit at all: the stains are whitish, it washes badly, the type of dishes is not very good.
Damn damn!

[OlgaGera]

OlgaGera, another version. Maybe the glasses were so that they got a lot of detergent and little water.

[Thank you]

About the mean who pays twice

I have 3 packs of large powders, the machine is the second year, have not been used up yet. and everything is cheap. and wash badly.

but, Thank you Natasha Chuchelka - a drop of Ferry began to drip into the powder - and everything began to wash off okay - just with a creak.

Irin, thanks for the advice. I will definitely try to drop Ferry into the next wash.
For me, Claro and Finish are right in comparison to heaven and earth.
I pour Finish now and grumble, I pour less and grumble again. I'm already thinking about washing without powder at all.

Claro is such a big 3 kg pack? I also liked it, it seemed like he disappeared with sanctions at the same time.

no powder at all wash

And what's funny? For example, I often wash without powder and on the program for 30 minutes! A lot is washed off .. for example, when I cook a cake, these bowls from under ganache, creams, glazes, etc. are just a lot, everything is washed

Claro is such a big 3 kg pack?

Yeah, that's green.

For example, I often wash without powder and on the program for 30 minutes!

Yes, I, too, often practice voltus without powder, but I don’t know ... Subconsciously, I’m looking for a powder anyway.
And I pour a drop of Finish straight, and the result is straight ugh.