Choosing a dishwasher

[Katerina]

Katerina, there is one cool site, probably it.
There I bought an umbrella and bags and even boots. We must look at it.
It is he who covers almost all of our country.

and lately I have been using the powder from the meter Fine Life. I didn't feel any difference with Finish. And the price is nice.

[Kokoschka]

Kokoschka, Lily, under the spoiler, I posted a link to the site from where the joint venture came from
you can order directly from it yourself
The joint venture was organized, just then we have discounts on delivery due to the volume of the order, and we buy at the prices of the site

Please tell me which is better for PMM Powder Bravix or Minel? I ordered a dishwasher, but I haven't decided on the powder yet

[Irinusik86]

Irinusik86, Bravix never used.
But about Minel, I have a good opinion. I have been using salt and tablets from this company for a very long time.

Maybe some of you will find my question funny, but please share your experience.
I've been enjoying the conversation with the dishwasher for only a month - :) I have carefully studied the book, read it more than once. I realized that you can use both tablets and powder (salt, rinse aid).
The question is: is it possible to alternate them? After all, when the load is full, the tablets are more convenient. And when there are few dishes and I choose the fast mode, then a little powder is better.
Thank you!

[Tatyana]

Tatyana, if there is a button for changing the detergent, then no problem at all. But if it is not there, then there is also no problem.) You just try and you will know if washing with a small amount of powder suits you.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, can. Only salt is required in all cases, and the rinse aid may need to be adjusted. Depending on which pills. I love tablets, either I didn't pick up a normal powder, or our water is so bad, but I have rinse aid at the minimum, salt at the maximum and half a tablet (table machine). When using the powder, the rinse aid was at 2 or 3. And so, just try it, you may not notice the difference in the rinse aid value. Much depends on water.

Bravix

I had a powder, I liked how they washed the dishes
Minel is great too
Salt is needed to milk the ion-exchange resin, to soften the water, our water is very hard, so I do not reduce the salt, even when washing with tablets
you can safely alternate, depending on the load of the car

Thank you very much girls for your quick response.
I understood about salt, rinse aid. The salt is according to the table. I filled in the rinse aid from the very beginning and did not touch the factory indicator.
I poorly formulated the question. Here is the book written for my Siemens:
"As soon as you start using the combination detergents, the program automatically changes so that the best possible washing results are obtained. Drying."
So, I can use either powder or pills, with a smart machine going to switch its brains and I don't need to worry about it?

Added on Tuesday 17 Jan 2017 20:11

Girls and in pursuit of the gel for washing the car itself.
For a month of use, a fatty plaque is already felt on the rocker arms, they are plastic.
How often do you fill up the ghoul and drive the empty car away? And if there is no 70-degree mode, which one?
Thank you!

The seeds are very smart) yours is probably straight at all)
if you believe the instructions, then the sensors themselves will determine and adjust everything

I wash my car with Eon for PMM, choose the mode with the maximum temperature
these funds usually need a minimum of 60

Added on Tuesday 17 Jan 2017 08:39 PM

more citric acid soap, also a good result

[katko]

katko, Thank you so much!
Eon from scale. Found in tyrnet. Buy.
My Semenchik is cheap, but very hardworking, pah pah pah on him.

My Finish powder, which is in a white bottle, which is not very good for me ..

And I wash my finish classic powder. Washes normally.

I am my car with Eon for PMM,

I haven't even heard of that. I went to google. Didn't see them selling with us.

[Tanya-Fanya]

Tanya-Fanya, no, it won't switch. Unless they came up with something new. And they hardly came up with it, because they have been writing absolutely the same thing on machines for a decade ... ((

I can’t guarantee one hundred percent, but ninety-nine I can try.))

If you have rinse aid in your hopper, the machine thinks that you are washing with powder. And builds the program based on this. Do not be afraid of this, the program looks about the same for both tablets and powder. Except for two points - when washing with tablets, the last rinse is hotter than when using powder. Rinse aid in tablets or not, or it does not live up to the last rinse, so you need to heat the dishes harder.

In theory, salt should also be spent differently according to the results of the above, but with salt it is completely dark. Nobody knows how the machine performs the regeneration and how the water flows relative to the ion exchanger if the machine is told that it washes with a tablet. Yes, the instruction recommends using softening anyway with hard water (but you shouldn't keep it the same as with powder - it's better to lower the settings a little). But I have enough salt for a year and a half without a rinse aid when set to 4. That is, there is a dilemma - if the car knows that I am washing it with a tablet, then the salt in it should not be consumed at all (specifically, my car has a workaround for water), and if it is consumed, then it should have gone more.

So my as you like and do not worry about it.))
Greasy rocker arms ... Yeah, you could wash the car. Do the filters stay clean below for a long time? I used special means to use soap once in my life, usually I just throw in a pill or two and run an empty one on a hot program. And sometimes I pour citric acid into the tray.

I don’t understand how rocker arms can be greasy when the machine washes dishes, glass, plastic, and it is clean? The rocker arms also seem to be washed. I have never washed the car with cleaners, filters, though sometimes. When I fall asleep with salt.
Mine with pills and powder and liquid according to mood and workload.
The short program is liquid. Rinse aid and salt are always filled.

[Veta]

Veta, believe me, plaque appears ... and grease and scale ... after the special means for sledges "elozhiit is even easier and everything shines inside like a factory

[Bijou]

Bijou, thanks again for your patience and a detailed answer.
I periodically remove the filters at the bottom and rinse them off the fire-fries, there are slightly fatty sensations that are slightly unpleasant for my hands.
You see, Lena, I got bursting with a hot regime, apparently that's why the vein remains. Although the dishes, ugh ugh ugh, already creaks.
Twig, about this and the instructions say that it is necessary to wash the machine from scale and grease. Although I was also surprised at first. After all, the dishes are clean!

Thank you all for the opinions and experience.

Well, about the fact that the nozzles can build up with scale, I agree. But not fat, I think.
Somewhere I bought a cleaner. We need to do prevention.

Considering that we do not eat pork and other fatty foods, because the child is on a diet due to stomach problems, and the most Fatty is 15 percent sour cream or stewed veal, then ... the plaque is surprising.
I will also do prevention.

Interestingly, there is salt for the dishwasher to soften the water. And for a washing machine why the same will not be done. Zamuuuuuu learned how to prevent scale.

Interestingly, there is salt for the dishwasher to soften the water. And for a washing machine why the same will not be done. Zamuuuuuu learned how to prevent scale.

Tanya, how not ??? And what about galgon for washing machines?

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And plaque in dishwashers and washing machines can appear from gels. Gels are more difficult to rinse off, they need more water, and all our washing and dishwashers are designed for powder detergents, the water consumption is calculated for each program. Can be washed with gels, but not permanently.

[Jouravl]

Jouravl, Calgon is understandable. I meant that the water in the washer also softens with salt, like in a dishwasher when pouring.
We have sooooo bad water. Even with filters I fight with the kettle all the time

Virgo, stock up on salt for the PMM! Infa from a mile: crap, of course, complete, but nevertheless ... Other salt also got under the sanctions on salt from Ukraine.

There is no Ukrainian salt for a long time, and German salt for PMM from Germany is on sale. Although everything is possible

And what about galgon for washing machines?

When I was looking for a new washing machine to replace the old one about six years ago, I came across various information about the colgon.
Once I got to the forum where the repairmen of washing machines exchanged opinions. So they categorically argued that if you want the washing machine to serve you as long as possible, then in no case should you use Colgon. And that if you use this "miracle tool", then you are guaranteed to find yourself in the best case - for an expensive repair, in the worst - for a car replacement.
I also want to add. Old Brandt worked for me for over ten years. When it began to junk (stopped draining the water), they thought to fix it, but the servicemen dissuaded it. They said that so many cars do not live and it is not known that the next one will break down, and there are problems with spare parts for such ancient cars. But, since the car weighed under 70 kg, you just can't throw it away, so we decided to disassemble and take it out in parts.
Now comes the fun part. There was no scale inside the car at all, or anything, the car was absolutely clean!
I have NEVER used Colgon.
The parents have the same Brandt, they bought it even before us, the car is now twenty years old, it works perfectly, And the same without any colgon. Maybe that's why it also works because no one tried to clean it with Colgon.
My sister's machine is still ancient, one of the first with a Samsung dryer. She never used the same Colgon, she still works without any problems.
This is the experience of our family, and what you put into your cars is, of course, a personal matter, but I will never put a colgon into my car. And I do not advise you.

[Gingi]

Gingi, you do not need to pour it, it depends on what powders you wash. In expensive powders, it is already present in the composition. Tide, Ariel, Percil, they are all with Calgol. And I wash in Mila with special tablets for her, not every time, but I use them, especially at 95 degrees.
The choice is always yours.

soda ash
go to the topic with washing powders)

And I have never washed my Miloks with anything except citric acid. And they work after all .. (17 years and 5 years)
Calgon did not use and I will not use.

My machine stopped heating water a couple of years ago. Ten broke down. I called the master.
I thought he would take out such an overgrown ten with a tail as much as in an advertisement.
Nothing like this. Well, not new and shiny, of course. But not overgrown either.
I didn't think about the fact that gels can wash out worse. Now I just prefer gels both in the washer and in the PMM. It will be necessary to periodically combine washing with powder.

For more than two years I have been using the Somat complex - powder + salt + rinse aid.
Recently I had to fill in the Finish rinse aid (there was no Somat one anywhere).
Now I noticed that the rainbow stains on transparent dishes have become brighter. They had appeared before, but they were not so striking.
In general, there are funds from which there are no stains and which treat aluminum with care?

Here is the label of the detergent powder, it shows the consumption of the product depending on the hardness of the water. The harder the water, the greater the consumption. Everything is already in the lineup! Yes, you don't, but you use ...

soda ash

Yesterday I sprinkled a whole scientific article .. And the browser took and flew out.
It used to be soda and phosphates. But now take it higher - these are zeolites and soda. I also try to get rid of these stones in powders, and not just of my own free will, in a pure form, do not stick into the car.))

Added Wednesday 18 Jan 2017 03:11 PM

And, I remembered .. Well, I explained to Tanya why such a water treatment is not required for a washing machine. In short - there is a heater 1) cheap, 2) heats only water softened with powder, 3) larger and colder per unit of surface, 4) hard carbonate residues on linen do not look as sad as on dishes. It seems like it was even, but I don't remember.))

Oh, girls, I pulled you into the jungle of physics, chemistry and their murky processes.
All! Let's leave it to chemists and physicists, and let our beloved and smartest helpers always be healthy and plow, plow, plow ... for our joy!
To all

[Lena]

yes, off topic we are here with the laundry, stop

Lena, Bijou, yes powders with zeolites and others .. I have all Korean and Japanese, mostly
but soda ash soda poured our Sterlitamakovskaya and I will pour) because it softens our water, then my products are well washed
and how soft the terry towels became, and how they began to absorb water, the towels bought in Turkey at home became rough, and after the soda they just rolled back to their homeland)))

Added Thursday, 19 Jan 2017 11:04

on the subject: now my powder bought from the Finns, the washing quality is an order of magnitude higher compared to the funds from our stores ... and the consumption is scanty, like a Korean one, only Finnish is decently cheaper

[katko]

katko, tell me, please, but you always add soda to any washing. powders? And in what approximate quantity?

Girls!! I think I already wrote something ... but I have been washing it with half a pill for almost 9 years !!!! There are no problems at all !!! The main thing is to choose the right program !!

And I do not use either powders or tablets, I switched to gel a long time ago. It treats the dishes more carefully, no problems with dosage.

Girls, who used BOLLA tablets? Should you buy them?

I personally wash with Frau Schmidt tablets. The box says that it does not require salt and rinse aid. I have a table dishwasher and half a tablet is enough for a full car. Mine at half time, since the car regularly finished washing ahead of the set time and I came to the conclusion that the quality of the wash was quite satisfactory for me and decided not to waste extra energy.

now my powder bought from the finns

can I have a photo? And where do you buy them?

[mylik.sv]

mylik.sv, they ask us to sit out for off-topic there is a topic on washing)
Albina, 🔗 from here the joint venture is in our city
such a powder

[Katerina]

mylik.sv, they ask us to sit for an off-topic there is a topic on washing)

Katerina, I will transfer my question to spec. topic. Will you answer there?

Girls, who used Filtero Dishwasher Tablets 7 in 1?

I'm a young PM user, I didn't even know that there is 7 in 1.

[Irina]

Irina, 7 in 1 is pure marketing))) I am interested in the quality of washing and lack of smell
the finish stinks me a lot
I am currently using Claro powder and Synergetic gel,
but the powder began to be rarely purchased, I'm afraid that it will end in general in our country)) so I decided to try another thread

I mainly use the eco 45 program
occasionally short, in a short one I can not pour detergent at all, if the dishes are all after tea with a cake)

How do you like Synergetic? the other day I looked at it, but did not buy it, I decided to look for reviews first.

But it’s interesting .... I’ve been a happy PMM user for only a couple of months. The first few sessions of washing with Finish tablets drove me crazy with their aroma so much that I rinsed the children's dishes just under the tap to wash off the rinse aid and soothe the mother's heart.
I read you here, bought Finish powder. Now I wash it with pills, then with powder. But no! There is no that pungent, annoying smell! Disappeared! And the packs of pills and the can of powder are the same.
Am I used to it?

I liked the filteros. I had them 8 pieces as a gift to the car, then once once bought a package of 150 pieces like. Good pills. There was definitely no smell from them, they were washed perfectly.

There is no that pungent, annoying smell! Disappeared! And the packs of pills and the can of powder are the same. Am I used to it?

I have the same effect. The first fresh can of powder smelled unbearably. And those that have stood - almost do not smell. Since I usually buy for future use, looking for discounts, I never use fresh powder, the smell disappears somewhere in 2-3 months and does not irritate my sense of smell.