Choosing a dishwasher

But Temka came to life
By the way, the other day I just rinsed clean dishes in the PMM, eats, but after rinsing it was wet, I tasted the drops and they were salty. Will need to check again. I have Electrolux.

and thanks to you, I prepared myself !!!! PMM will arrive 18, and I bought pills and salt Domol Frosch and I wait, I can’t wait, I read Temko, it’s interesting)))

I also read reviews that Finish powder is white, does not smell. but I haven't tried it myself

paaahnet, I tried

The finish doesn't just smell, it stinks as it should.Powder with good detergency

well, I don't see anything wrong, I just leave the hmm ajar and everything is ventilated

Once I used Finish powder for a long time - I didn't like it, then I used other detergents for a long time. Now in our stores, dishwasher detergents are completely gone, probably for 2 months already. Finish powder appeared, I had to grab it.
And it turned out that he was completely nothing, and the stench, which they write about here at all.

There is also such a nuance, over time the PMM itself begins to stink badly, especially if you rarely wash the nets at the bottom of the car.
It helps, for a short time, complete prophylaxis with washing the filters, running them with a cleaning agent and attaching "stinks" to the PMM basket - a deodorant for PMM

Why do dishwashers stink? Mine is already three years old - there is no smell at all. I keep it always closed. I have used cleaners only a couple of times over the entire period of use, but I don't buy deodorants at all.

Mine doesn't stink either. But on short programs I don't wash. I also occasionally add a tiny, primal drop of a Feri-type agent when washing, just a little so that there is no foam, and so yesterday I read that the lower filter should be washed more often, and I remembered that I hadn't washed it for a long time, I looked at it clean, maybe because of this. I use PMM every day, sometimes 2 times a day.

And I don't wash on short programs. Dishes of different sizes accumulate during the day: both plates and pots with carbon deposits - and they are not washed in the short program. Therefore, all my bulk at 65 grams.
There is almost no such thing that only cups and plates accumulate so that you can wash on a short program. And I also wash the dishes once a day, I turn them on at night, even if there is not enough of it. The next day I almost never leave.

And I have to wash at night if necessary: ​​during the day there is not always enough water even for a short wash. I even had to buy more teaspoons and forks, so that it was enough ...

Dear, please tell me what means to wash in very (2-3 German degrees) soft water. PMM copes only if vinegar is used as a rinse, citric acid is even better (the same 6%). That is, it washes everything from the dishes, with a minimum of detergent, and the detergent itself is completely washed off - only with acid (solution, of course). With a manual sink, it's generally awful, you can't wash off the detergent from your hands, only with acid, it is washed off from the dishes, but it takes a long time to rub.

[Big Bear]

Big Bear, I won't say how many degrees the water in St. Petersburg is considered very soft, my Finish, less than half of the compartment, any rinse aid, level 1, salt level 1.

Why do dishwashers stink?

I faced such a problem, and not only on PMM, but sometimes it also happens on washing machines. The reason is the drain hose. If interested, I will write in detail.

I will not say how many degrees the water in St. Petersburg is considered very soft, my Finish, less than half of the compartment, any rinse aid, level 1, salt level 1.

Tried, though in tablets, which are many in one, there was no powder, there are a few stains, it is soap, maybe the powder will be better? Now some kind of Yplon, a powder, cannot be washed off with a rinse aid, only an acid solution. Yes, the salt in my machine, a small unpretentious desktop Bosch, is not regulated.

[Big Bear]

Big BearIt is almost impossible to achieve a result with tablets in your case, the parameters of the tablet are too averaged. Try the powder by reducing the dosage and the amount of rinse aid.

And for what, approximately, the time is enough for a canister of Finish powder, with daily washing, I usually start PMM 1 time a day.

[Big Bear]

Big Bear, and how do you use acid, hands? What if you pour it into the rinse aid compartment?
And I didn’t quite understand, are you using the whole tablet or breaking it? For a small car, there are a lot of whole cars. ((

Well, if there are such inconveniences, but there is salt and is not regulated (its average consumption is probably meant), then after it ends, try not to fall asleep for a while and look at the result, huh?

Dear, please tell me what means to wash in very (2-3 German degrees) soft water. PMM copes only if vinegar is used as a rinse, citric acid is even better (the same 6%). That is, it washes everything from the dishes, with a minimum of detergent, and the detergent itself is completely washed off - only with acid (solution, of course).

According to Vodokanal, we also have soft water, salt is set to "1", rinse aid is set to "2". When the rinse aid was set to "1", then there were smudges on the dishes (as if it were not dry enough).
Mine with Japanese powders and gels. Sometimes the pills are something intense. The machine is full-sized, I do not break tablets, powder or gel up to half the mark.

Try the powder by reducing the dosage and the amount of rinse aid.

Thank you, now I'm pouring in the powder, but the rinse aid has foolishly done more, I'll go reduce it

Big Bear, how do you use acid, hands? What if you pour it into the rinse aid compartment?
And I didn’t quite understand, are you using the whole tablet or breaking it? For a small car there is a lot of

I pour the acid (solution) into the compartment. I used the whole tablet, I had a Finish three-component, with a pink round in the middle, I did not cut it, but now there is some kind of Unit powder, there is no other in our Palestines yet, a village!

And what to do when washing manually: umnik2: I know, some things do not fit into my device, a bucket in a bastard

I am reporting. On the advice of respected sazalexter and Bijou, I reduced the powder load, filled 1/3 of the container, earlier about 3/4, reduced the rinse aid supply, set it to "2", it was "6", at the factory, according to the instructions, initially set "4". Everything turned out great, thank you very much !!!

[Big Bear]

Big Bear, oh, very happy for you!
About the rinse aid ... I have a full-size machine and very hard water. And at first in the dishwasher-washed saucepans, water was very bubbling under the tap. I drain it, press it again, and again ... Until I turned off the rinse aid completely. But then it became worse to dry and the traces of drops increased. But I didn't even like one too much. And then I began to simply dilute the rinse aid with water and pour its weaker solution into the car - this made it much easier to regulate the consumption, the error was less. This does not mean that you should do the same, just retelling my experience, you never know who will come in handy.

[enkmit Geschirr Reiniger - dishwashing powder]

Thank you for the advice on diluting the desalination agent, I will think about how this idea can be capitalized on. I don’t use the bottle, I don’t really like its action. Regarding drying - mine is mainly in the shortest mode of 33 minutes at 45 degrees. Glass mode. I take out the dishes and brush off the drops from the bottom of the plates with a dry towel (glass dishes) and wipe only plastic and large pots. Doesn't bother at all.
I also want to share my experience, suddenly someone will come in handy. At the end of the year, pack D endedenkmit Geschirr Reiniger - dishwashing powder... I was very pleased. Hard water (a lot of scale in the kettle) dosage for one sink is 1 teaspoon. Mode basically Glass (30 min. At 45 degrees) Glassware and stainless steel. The quality of washing on glass 5+ without rinsing agent, on stainless steel (pots and pans) for hard 4+ (sometimes there are traces on the side walls, burnt milk, froth from cooking meat, which are easily washed off without effort), but I'm not sure what the powder is to blame - the pots have barrel-shaped. Of course, pans fried on a short mode do not wash well, but I then easily wash them by hand or set them to full mode.
From January 1, I bought and use (on the advice from the forum) Domol Dishwashing Liquid Powder -total 14 days of use, the quality of the wash under the same conditions dropped dramatically - I had to triple the powder dose and turn on the rinse aid by 1. After finishing the pack, I will switch to the first brand. To avoid disputes, I will explain that this is my personal experience on our water and with my dishes and my dishwasher.

I will explain - this is my personal experience on our water and with my dishes and on my dishwasher

Gold words!!! And then I read this topic and think - the water is different for everyone, the dishwashers are different, moreover, in different regions the same detergents can be produced in different places (different branches of the same company, for example, Lukoil Volgogradsky in Volgograd, Perm in Perm)

An hour ago I realized that I have another problem with water ... That would be clear, I explain. I have been living for a year in a village, 15 km from the city, (the city is tired of the roof and work allows you to go to the city not every day). There is water from the well, I drilled it a year ago, but there is a lot of iron and hardness in it 16. I defended it with peroxide, twisted myself somehow to wash the dishes, wash. I drank imported. Two weeks ago, I installed an ion exchanger, the same as in PMM, only a lot more, I got very good composition, and soft, 3 mol / l, water. And away we go !!!!!! I figured it out with the PMM with your help. So far I diluted the detergents for hand washing, it became easier, but it needs to be changed, I have all been selected specifically for hard water. So now the bread rises less! We'll have to carry mineral water for bread, no matter what kind of water we sell, it won't work, I tried it, it’s the same soft. I used to bake on slop, but this is because of great need, and I don't want to do that anymore. I'll climb, why are there mineralizers ?! How! Too good the same is not good!

To avoid disputes, I will explain that this is my personal experience on our water and with my dishes and my dishwasher.

What kind of car do you have? And another question, at what level is the salt set? Our water is also hard, but the local water utility is silent, like a partisan. I use the same Denkmit powder, the same rinse aid, and I like the quality of washing, but I haven't picked it up with rinsing yet, the drips are white, then the dishes are bitter.

What kind of car do you have? And another question, at what level is the salt set? Our water is also hard, but the local water utility is silent, like a partisan. I use the same Denkmit powder, the same rinse aid, and I like the quality of washing, but I haven't picked it up with rinsing yet, then the drips are white, then the dishes are bitter.

dishwasher Siemens SR 66T093EU, chose from two twins (Bosch and Siemens) chose the name Siemens, I already have Bosch, a washing machine. I am very pleased with the choice, it was right. I set the salt to 3, it didn't go lower until it went down. The Denkmit softener is now set to 1, because I don’t like the quality of DOMOLOM washing, when I used Denkmit I set the softener to 0 (I didn’t like the "iris" on the glass and the chemical smell on the first opening, I checked the guilty agent, so I turned it off) there were never any drips I have to take into account all my Luminarc dishes are dark glass. White streaks are definitely something that remains on the dishes, if you remove the rinse aid to 0, then either salt or powder remains.I throw the powder onto fresh dishes with half a spoon for coffee (the volume of a spoon is 8 grams).

From internet .....
1 ... If whitish stains remain on the dishes, then it is likely that the matter is in the rinse aid, which is poured into the "dishwasher". The decision is either to remove (I gave a rainbow film) or add (I would first remove it by 0 and then add it)
2 ..... A more global reason for stains on dishes is the quality of the products used, both rinse aid and detergent. (A good product works for me for 5+)
3 .... If the water in your area is very hard, then the "dishwasher" will quickly become covered with scale. Of course, limescale deposits on the inside of the machine, it doesn’t stick to the grid and plastic parts, but if the water is hard or rusty, then be sure that the accumulated deposits are interfering with the normal operation of the dishwasher, causing the dishes to remain cloudy. ??
4 ........ Often the solution lies on the surface - food residues that accumulate on the filters interfere with the normal operation of the dishwasher, so the dishes are not completely washed. Flush both coarse and fine filters as often as possible. It is also worth checking the sprinkler - sometimes food debris clogs the holes and obstructs the flow of water. - Really agree
5 ....... In addition, white streaks may occur if the salt container cap is not screwed on tightly - check it just in case.
and. etc.

Thank you very much! I'll play with the rinse aid. It's too early to worry about item 3, the car is only 3 weeks old, items 4 and 5 will be checked

OK

Yes, the salt in my machine, a small unpretentious desktop Bosch, is not regulated.

I have a simple desktop Bosch (you can see it in the Desktop PM topic, like my photo in that topic is the last one) and so, the salt is regulated! I came to this two months later, and some of the forum boys suggested what I suspected.

Two weeks ago, I installed an ion exchanger, the same as in PMM, only more

Iron in water is death for the ionizer. Calcium and sodium can change for a long time with each other, but if iron gets hooked, then you can't embroider it from resin. And who said that there is a lot of iron in the laboratory? Do you aerate the water to get a rusty color? Maybe then it’s better to put osmosis on?

So, the promised Bravix report!
Complete set - salt (fine), powder, rinse aid. Salt / rinse aid at factory settings Bosch - 4 and 5, respectively.
Before the first launch, PMM ate the salts by 1.5 kg or a little less.
Our water is of medium hardness.
Well, according to the tradition of the forum - I licked the dishes :))) - there is no taste at all ...
Dishes: plates Luminark dark transparent glass - glow, no streaks, etc .; salad bowls Luminark black opaque glass (square salad bowls, who knows) - just gloss; transparent plates of RUSSIAN production with a picture - the picture is in order, it shines; a frying pan with a ceramic coating - and I forgot that on the outside it was light purple, and not gray-brown-brown; Ikea saucepan 🔗 (the same material) - it was often used for baking in the oven, acquired a corresponding coating on the outer surface, which "well nafig" began to peel off in flakes !!!!; Ikea plastic containers - no deformation; ceramic mugs with a picture - everything is ok; a thin glass of Bohemia without gilding, silver and other things, shines. (Yes, with gilding, I still won't dare to stick it there - with pens, pens ...); the old 4-sided Soviet grater - I don't know what it is, and the aluminum colander of the same era - have stood the test of the 21st century!
So, everything is in perfect condition. Really no divorces! No smell. Not from dishes, not from PMM. No taste.
Uraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Sleep!

Em, and powder is even cheaper, I have a quick wash for more details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...ion=com_smf&topic=27350.0I put less, and more on the car.

I have not used powder for a long time. I always poured it over. I started using sun all in 1 tablets.It is already dosed. I like that they are individually wrapped and that no moisture gets into them. And they deal with the dirt. There is no plaque, and the dishes all creak after washing, from cleanliness.

Yesterday I had a dishwasher installed !!!
and here he is the first experience! Frosch tablets and Domol salt.
So this is my report - the dishes are clean, without streaks, without deposits, without smell. Well, what is important, phosphate-free tablets)))
the old frying pan washed off !!

the old frying pan washed off !!

right the first time?
My pan with soot from the oven gradually polished, it fell off like flakes!

Ol, she is in shock!
yesterday the plaque was not washed there on the plates behind.
and today the frying pan and grates from the stove - these are the flakes of steel and immediately washed under the tap! not in the PMM, but nevertheless, everything has lagged behind, it was time to part with it, now it will still serve me!

I am sitting rummaging in the internet, I think, maybe I can find something else and remembered my first acquaintance with phosphate-free powders) 2006. It was the Dakos firm. Everything suited me. But as time passed, I began to buy other firms, and this one was forgotten. but she looked and saw again. And I have a bottle for the bathroom for years and years and I have no memory of how they told me that their products do not deteriorate, as it is a mineral. Well, I think I'll try, and washed the bathroom, it was just time. The bath has become, you will not believe it! 2 times whiter! So I think, can you try for PMM? nobody tried it? there the price is very funny (and pleasant at the same time). Advise 3 tbsp. l ...

We already wrote about Minel here. I use the whole line, I get only positive emotions. Only the toilet bowl cleaner is liquid, it turns out a lot. And all dishwashers and detergents are excellent. The price is good in Moscow in Domochadts, below the Metro and Ozone. And considering that everything is concentrated, it turns out to be profitable.

Hello everyone. I have an Electrolux car, the typewriter is 2 weeks old. Before that, PMM did not use. The following question arose.
I bought Finnish tablets SUN All in for the car. When using the short program (36 minutes without drying) I put half a tablet on.
When I take it with my hand, I feel the detergent on the plate, it feels like the plates are not completely rinsed, as if one more rinse cycle was not enough.
So I'm thinking of buying some powder and pouring in quite a bit for a short program. For a regular program use half a tablet.
Advise how to be.

I have half a pill on a short program that rinses off well.
But I don't use rinse aid, i.e. the last rinse WITHOUT nothing happens

Once upon a time, a very long time ago, I used pills that were easy to split in half right in the package. Apart from Finish, of course, they do not share, and it was terribly annoying when I didn't need so much money. But somehow I ran into Sormat tablets! So, after a short wash, I found an undissolved cake of the product at the bottom of the PMM. This means that it got on the dishes while rinsing. All Sormat's packaging went to the trash can. Since then I have only been using powder. Here I am my own mistress: I put as much as I wanted. I buy a large 3 kg box of Austrian "Claro" (available in Auchan). Inside the powder is in a large bag, it is not convenient to pour from it into the car. For this I adapted a bottle of Finish powder with a convenient dispenser. I fill a bottle every 4-5 months and I don't know grief. Claro's box lasts more than a year. I bought it once, in my opinion, for 350 rubles, and is free for a year. Very comfortably! And most importantly, I am always sure that the powder will completely dissolve and will not remain on the dishes.

Many here complained that on a short 30 minute program the pill did not have time to completely dissolve.
And also on the fact that on a short program, in general, dishes are poorly washed, if only fresh: plates and cups.
I do not wash the dishes on the short program.

Thanks for the answer. I use a short program where the dishes are only after meals.
Right now I want to buy powder + rinse aid and pour the powder depending on the amount of dishes and washing time.
And I will leave the tablets for intensive washing.

I only wash not very greasy dishes for a short time. As well as expensive glass and crystal. For me this program lasts 35-38 minutes at a temperature of 45C. Everything is perfectly washed. For 9 years I have already done so much with these programs, I know what is washed on what and I quite often use a short sink. Why drive a car for two hours in vain and burn electricity if it is already washed off. But, again, I have - powder. Therefore, no problems with non-dissolution arise.

I only wash not very greasy dishes for a short time. As well as expensive glass and crystal.

So after all, I wrote about the same ...
I can't only wash low-fat dishes. Mine is everything that has accumulated in a day, and there are always pots, pans, bowls or something else greasy, so mine is long.
I often wash the crystal with my hands. Somehow it does not work, if necessary, to wedge it into the assortment that accumulates in the dishwasher. Or run half empty, but with glasses, is also not good.

after a short wash, I found an undissolved cake of the product at the bottom of the PMM.

I have a "Krona" car and there is a special in it. the "3 in 1" program is especially for the use of tablets, it is as intensive in time, which means that short programs are not suitable for tablets.

[Taia]

Taia, yes, you have to maneuver. And if some kind of frying pan gets into the car after frying the cutlets, then you can't go anywhere, you wash on a long program with a high temperature. But, thanks to the powder, I don't discount the short program. Not that I use it straight every God day, but it helps a lot when I need to wash something quickly.
In general, a dishwasher is EVERYTHING, right? She really saves my life!

It seems to me that it depends on the tablets themselves. I usually split the pill in half. So some pills break and crumble very easily. And some kind of pill is impossible to break. I think that these are the ones that dissolve in water for a long time, and therefore are not suitable for short programs. I always keep both pills and powder at home.

In general, a dishwasher is EVERYTHING, right?

I love her. Most kitchen appliances in the kitchen.