Choosing a dishwasher

[fronya40]

fronya40,

there are only two of us, why is it full every day

did not surprise :) there are two of us too, and I load a full-size one in a day! There is only one explanation, we have our own business, we don't sit in offices and eat almost always at home. Although there is still - since the very appearance of the PMM, I refused to do manual washing categorically, that is, I won't even rinse a teaspoon from cat canned food, etc., I immediately put it in the PMM. True, I had to buy Pts. a lot of dishes :) And gave up baking trays, switched to glass molds, but not because it does not fit or is poorly washed, but because it does not allow sleep :)) listen aloud, aloud, aloud for 1.5 hours and cats are afraid to go into the kitchen, look around the parties, probably, cannot understand where the jet of water should fly from
friends, together with Bravix bought the vaunted Japanese Kao powder, on the auto program 45-65gr. cutlery has not been laundered! They were just fat! And the soup pot remained with a greasy rim. The only thing is that I poured it a little less than Bravix, since it's so super-duper! Could this be the reason?
I still can't decide whether to look for the Japanese Lion gel ... is it really necessary? Thin glasses do not seem to suffer from the powder, but I wash my hands with the dusting. What are the other benefits of this gel? I don't have a lot of aluminum, Bravix recently painted our camping bowler with black stripes, but it does not smudge, and the aesthetics for such dishes is not the main one, to put it mildly.

[Olchik86]

Olchik86, the same thing, I decided to basically wash nothing with my hands, but why now ... I came home from work, well, Christmas trees, sticks, I put everything down, I scored it completely. Laundered everything! I'm just proud of myself!
And another question - what programs do you use to wash?
I noticed that full, eco, washes very well. It doesn't rinse out on the hour, some sort of salty, I put it on the sink for another half hour ...

[fronya40]

fronya40, I've tried 70, and cars, and all the functions. And eco even somehow hasn’t dared yet, always some thread a saucepan will require a car from me, I’m afraid that 50 degrees for eco will not be enough for her.
Although I just can't understand how it determines what temperature to make on the car 45 or 65 ... The spread is decent.
I haven't tried the fast one yet. I'm a coward

Olka, a coward :-) :-) :-) :-)

[fronya40]

fronya40, for some reason it seems to me that if the dishes are not washed, it will be a ruin!
here is a side effect of always having a good wash from the first start of the PMM :))
Lana, lana, I'll try Sedna!

[Olchik86]

Olchik86, Come on!!!! I was here once for the hour, and it was badly washed due to the fact that it was put in a yak, put it on for half an hour and everything was fine

Girls, yesterday I carried out my first dishwasher with Domol, everything was washed, even more than I expected, the salt came in for the first time about kg, no more. So far I have not changed the settings, but the salt will need to be increased, since the hardness of the water is above all standards. I barely waited for the end of the cycle, the car, immediately opened it - everything was hot and dry. But most importantly - with a shine from cleanliness.

[fronya40]

fronya40, well persuaded, persuaded :))))
sima12, is everything dry right away? What kind of rinse aid? and what Bosch? a?...

Yes, everything is dry right away. I looked for droplets, but honestly did not find, except on the basket itself. Although I also read that the dishes should stand, then take them out ... But maybe this is the first time that Boshik did everything to make me happy.
Bosch SPV 43M10 EU

interesting! I scold my husband when, out of curiosity, she immediately opens the door and steam comes out from there: "She dries with this steam! Temperature, and you!" - "Directly steam dry ??" )
like your dryer is also condensing. AAAA! Can you do a quick wash? with a low temperature? There's just extra. drying in the program.

Well, everything is right hot and dry) that's right, my drops can only remain on the plastic) But if the polisher is already running out, then there may be drops of condensation on the doors. I do not wait for the button to light up, I immediately add a new portion and again everything is dry everywhere.

I also have Boshik, the dishes are dry immediately after the end of the program, only drops remain on the plastic in some places.

[sima12]

water hardness above all standards

sima12, I warn all owners of PMM! if the water is hard - be sure! run the PMM once a month with a special tool! I already wrote about this, but I will repeat myself. I have water from a well, very hard. This summer I found a puddle under the dishwasher. They called the foreman, it turned out that a stone had formed on the heating element, and it heated up so that it burned through the water heating tank (it is plastic). This is my fault, I forgot to drive the car, as expected, with a descaler. The car was repaired. ttt works great. We put filters right at the entrance to the PMM. I wash it regularly.
In general, forewarned - forearmed. Good luck and don't repeat my mistake.

PS:
About Domol. While I "agreed" with my PMM, I tried a bunch of different means. In my case (very hard water), Domol tablets + salt + rinse aid were ideal.

They called the foreman, it turned out that a stone had formed on the heating element, and it heated up so that it burned through the tank for heating water

Whoa! Did you soften the water in the machine? In terms of salt, fill up and the ionoo6mena settings are not lower than 4-5 steps? Or is the heater overgrown with lime with all this?

Softened. There is always salt in the tank. All settings are correct. You should have seen the boiler ten! Such, here, water! I live three stops from the city center, but there is no running water in our private sector. They drilled a well, well, what has grown, has grown ... The water supply is now being laid, they are approaching my street, I hope this issue will be resolved soon

Yes, the ion exchanger is small in volume machines. And the pressure is probably 5-6 atm from the pump? Mona just had to lower the pressure in front of the machine with an additional reducer so that the water had time to be decalcified. But an additional softener at the inlet is also the right decision.
Another frequent joint with water from the well. Thin glass dishes burst when rinsing. The water from the well is + 4C (at least for me) in total, the pressure is high, it does not have time to heat up in the heat exchanger. Again, it is treated with a reducer, a decrease in the flow rate / pressure. From practice.

[Dr.NO]

Dr.NO, agas, everything is correct about the pressure, and in the basement (I do not know what they are called) such fitulins, they look like a barometer, stand with arrows. I have STE business under control from the first day.

Yesterday in Eve there was an action - Somat gel, two bottles for the price of one. I bought. All the same, I like frosh more, from somat such a smell, annoying me. But I always react to smells. laundered everything well, but as good as the frosh and the riviera.

And we have Frosch only for manual washing.

Friends, maybe someone knows. And how / how to remove the already formed scale in the dishwasher without harming the machine?

[Raspberries]

Raspberries, a special descaling agent. Sold in the same place, de all means for PMM.

[izvarina.d]

izvarina.d, I was offered in the store only from limescale for kettles, but were not sure what would be suitable for PMM. Maybe you know, any tool is possible or there are special ones for ppm?

I bought a Finish for cleaning PMM. It is two in one - from scale and fat.

Finish for cleaning PMM

Thank you

[Raspberries]

Raspberries, practically, all manufacturers of PMM products also have a descaler, right Tatoshenka wrote that from fat, it is important. They produce somat, final grinding, finish, robot, etc. I use the entire range of final grinding.

[izvarina.d]

izvarina.d, Thank you

[Alenka212]

Alenka212, you have Enter Svyaznoy in the city, here you will find a full line of tools for very good. good price. I myself will take the rinse there when my Bravix runs out ... when it will be ...
In general, these funds are poorly distributed. I only find rinse aid in Pyaterochka. A friend bought their specials for glass ceramics. milk - cleans and polishes well, there is silicone in the composition. It can even polish small cracks over time.
Raspberries, in the store they can offer this that then you will tear your hair !!! One remedy for dummies was so praised for me that it ate the entire bottom coating! Where there was scale, a black band of metal appeared. And figs with him with a kettle, threw it out - bought a new one ... and PMM? so I would be such advisers ...

[Olchik86]

Olchik86, You mean braviks? In general, this is not comprehensible to the mind: I take all the equipment only through no, but I didn’t guess the powder there! (no, I'm lying, I looked at the minelle somehow, but the price was not impressed)

[Alenka212]

Alenka212, nah, I mean Frosch! Although Bravix is ​​also there, I just took it ... and I didn't order Frosch that time! Kulema!
and by the way, on the Voronezh site enter, even some discounts are displayed on Frosch.

And how / how to remove the already formed scale in the dishwasher without harming the machine?

There is such a powder: 🔗 It is for washing machines and PMM.

[Sonadora]

Sonadora, excellent thank you!

[Alenka212]

Alenka212, nah, I mean Frosch! Although Bravix is ​​also there, I just took it ... and I didn't order Frosch that time! Kulema!
and by the way, on the Voronezh site enter, even some discounts are displayed on Frosch.

Is the bravix bad? By the way, the frosh is there only for washing machines.

I want to tell you for those who, like me, use only phosphate-free agents.
I won't argue with anyone, but if someone has the same principles, read on. first I bought Frosch, then Riviera powder, and then, spitting on my principles, I bought Somat gel, there are 5-15% phosphates. And then I remembered all the horror of chemistry, maybe for someone it is not so important - the vigorous smell of parfum. chemistry was in the whole kitchen. Maybe I'm so sniffing, they wash others ... and I bought as many as 2 bottles .. washed the dishes before the squeak, but I couldn't eat from it, well, I'm so squeamish ...
And yesterday I bought a Dakos Universal Kitchen and set it to wash on the Eco program, that is, long-term, overnight. I will clarify right away, the dishes were not dry, and not very dirty. In the morning I received a clean, odorless dish. But she doesn’t "squeak".
How I washed: table. spoon in one compartment and about a teaspoon in another (for sure).
So now I can recommend this tool. The price is ridiculous, 20 UAH a bottle. Who does not know, production is Simferopol.
On the short program it washes not very well ... the dried baking sheet did not wash. But health is more important to me, so I’d better not allow dried dishes at first and spread them.
I poured apples into the rinse. natures. vinegar.

Maybe I'm so sniffing, others are washing ...

Not alone, I also hate the somat and the finish. A lot of smell, for a lot of money.

Yes, it costs decently ... now where would I put it :-) :-) :-)

In fact, there are not so many powder / tablet manufacturers if you look closely at the labels on the packages. 2-3 in Germany, 1-2 in France, in Italy there are still. Many simply repackage.

I am currently using Finish powder. I read reviews about him here - one gets the impression that we are talking about different "Finish".
There is no unpleasant smell at all, it washes well. It costs a little less than $ 8. My sense of smell is fine.
Like this:

[Alenka212]

Alenka212, bravix is ​​great. I like the washing effect even more than Kao powder. I don't know why, but the latter always leaves food particles in the cutlery, especially between the forks.
Frosch wanted to try it only because of the fearful doubts that other products remain on the dishes, but natural ones do not, or at least they are safe.
The fact is that I recently switched to Frosch fabric softener.Before that, there was a standard row - Vernel (it has deteriorated, as they began to do in Ukraine), Lenor and so on. All wet laundry almost slipped in my hands. There was some bullshit on my fingers. With Frosch, this is not at all. And the linen is fragrant and soft. So this experience alone prompted me to try their PMM rinse. Maybe I won't buy
Bravix washes perfectly at the right price!

Frosch is there only for washing machines.

you look bad! We expose the city of Voronezh, we hammer it into the search bar frosch - voila! Tablets - 354 rubles (27% discount), rinse aid 164 rubles (31% discount).
fronya40, oh, how demanding you are! He washed the baking sheet on the short program badly :)

[Olchik86]

Olchik86, yeah)))) I thought so too ... and even with dried fat ...
nothing, apply. You know, I don’t really like the short wash at all, it’s so, rinse. You put on Eco so the dishes are clean in the morning and smell like steam, just like I love.

I am currently using Finish powder. I read reviews about him here - one gets the impression that we are talking about different "Finish".
There is no unpleasant smell at all, it washes well.

maybe just this smell does not interfere. Because my friend also likes the smell of Somat. But I don’t ... I’ll imagine that this chemistry gets into my stomach (as if I live in a forest, where ecology is everywhere), and it’s just like that ...
and it generally found out that a law was passed, that by 2017 there will be no phosphate detergents at all ... and then in Europe they are prohibited .. but what do we buy then?

I don't really like it for a short wash, that's it, rinse

It will probably work well if 20 people came to visit you, drank tea and ate a cake :)
And after half an hour they left, and you immediately loaded the machine and turned it on :)

what do we buy then?

advertising :) It is always like this with us - let's say for one thing - fuu, and for another, which is not better, and sometimes worse than the first - that's it! Somehow you have to promote goods :)

[Olchik86]

Olchik86, everything was lost on Braviks, I did not have time, grind. Only the salt torus grabbed. And I was looking for Frosch powder, I only sit on the powder. Now I know what to look for

It will probably work well if 20 people came to visit you, drank tea and ate a cake :)
And after half an hour they left, and you immediately loaded the machine and turned it on :)

exactly! right here! thanks for the hint)

Yes, it costs decently ... now where would I put it :-) :-) :-)

Putting on a pre-wash? First, he will wash the dishes, and then the next product will wash the dishes from him.))

[Taia]

and it generally found out that a law was passed, that by 2017 there will be no phosphate-free detergents at all .... and then in Europe they are prohibited .. but what do we buy then?

Banned in Europe phosphate washing. Domol is produced in Germany, therefore it is also phosphate-free... In general, if you set up the PMM correctly, then the output is dishes without any chemistry. Housewives who hand wash dishes with the help of Fae feed their family with much more "useful" substances.


Taia, we have the Finish of the Russian "spread". The label is completely different. And the smell is disgusting, I confirm.

[Alenka212]

Alenka212, well, since the salt has grabbed, then run to Ozon !! There you have Bravix powder left in Voronezh - 388r and rinse aid-95r!

I am using Finish Classic powder. I like.
We still sell SUN powder, phosphate-free. So I think to try it later. True, it has a lemon scent.

[Zhukov Pavel]

Zhukov Pavel,

True, it has a lemon scent.

you know, I have a Japanese powder, too, supposedly with the smell of citrus. Honestly, to smell citrus in this chemistry och. difficult, there is something extraneous, but just citrus ... PMM then, too, does not smell like that, plates too. In general, some words!

So I'll take it on trial)

[Jefry]

Jefry, yeah, I was sealed ... there will be no phosphate ... only in Domola it is written on the box 15-30%, the seller was surprised when she saw this ...

Oh, for me Fairy is tough ...I somehow washed the pan, put it on the fire, but it continues to smell, I washed it with water again, and it smells again ..... threw it out :-)

we have the finish of the Russian "sprinkle". The label is completely different. And the smell is disgusting, I confirm.

It was already a shame in front of the Ukrainians for this Not, well, seriously. We can't even sprinkle it normally.