Choosing a dishwasher

If you are satisfied with the result even without the rinse aid, you probably don't need to. But this issue was discussed above on the topic - take a look. Rinse aid removes powder from dishes more effectively and is safer than powder. Personally, my dishes with rinse aid shine and I like this more.
And at the expense of yesterday's pills - the result is very good, and also such a price!

What is the use of rinse aid?

This is exactly what is needed so that no chemicals remain on the plates.

[acid (e.g. lemon) to remove and neutralize alkaline components of the detergent itself.]

What is the use of rinse aid?

It is very useful for all beginners with PMM to read an article about Soap ... for dishwasher, she's there under the spoiler.
About rinse aid -

In order to completely remove the remaining detergent from the dishes and give them a shine, most manufacturers recommend adding a special liquid rinse aid to the machine. It is usually formulated with non-ionic surfactants to ensure effective water wetting of the surface, resulting in faster runoff, fast drying and no sagging or staining on the surface, and acid (e.g. lemon) to remove and neutralize alkaline components of the detergent itself.

It is very useful for all beginners with PMM to read an article about Soap ... for dishwasher, she's there under the spoiler.
About rinse aid -

Thank you! Yes, the article is really very helpful! I didn't even know about many of the nuances. Now everything is clear why, I will wash with rinse aid!

Tanyusha, I have been looking at him for a long time, but the "price of the issue" confuses me ... the difference is more than two times different ... but, of course, you can try ...

Anya, and we need 2 times less than we pour, or even 3 times less.
So I switched to washing powders and rinses, you put absolutely minuscule in the machine

And at the expense of yesterday's pills - the result is very good, and also such a price!

I have been using them for almost a year, although I switched to the powder of this company in order to regulate the amount per wash myself. Packs (2kg) for 2 months are enough, I ordered at Kidstaff.

Russian girls, why don't you write about RAIL dishwasher powder, produced by AIST. ?!
like this 🔗
I liked it very much. I live in Ukraine, I bought a 600 g pack for 35 UAH. The powder is inexpensive and of high quality - it washes tea and milk from cups perfectly. greasy dishes washes well. stainless steel cutlery - super, shine like a mirror. pots washes. and there is no smell after it. before that there were denk mit pills (though the most common ones) and somat, and much more, so I liked the Rail powder more.

So I recently discovered this powder for myself. Washes perfectly, no different from more expensive products. And the issue price is 78 rubles - 600 g.

Russian girls, why don't you write about RAIL dishwasher powder, produced by AIST. ?!
like this 🔗

I wrote about him somewhere in the middle of the topic.

Russian girls, why don't you write about RAIL dishwasher powder, produced by AIST. ?!

I have never even met such a powder. Thank you for writing. Now I'll try to look more closely, maybe he comes with us.

Girls, I probably understood about what kind of plaque many are talking about, and I just think I haven't figured it out yet with PMM, is the detergent bad, or is it in PMM ?? Look what kind of plaque I form after washing, it is very frustrating for the blue one washed by hand, and the yellow one in the PMM, what do you think? (detergent Finish)

Bee, but the photo is not visible (((

I will try again

Is there only one plate of this kind or are all dishes unwashed in places? What was on the plate: salad, chicken, chips, or fatty beef? And, please, write on which program you washed it (duration and temperature).Sometimes I have flaws: when my plastic and fatty plates after soup, I put it at + 50C (instead of 70), while the plate may not wash out. Moreover, where the stream of water often fell - it is clean, and where there is only passive washing with flowing water - there is a border on the plate or a plaque erased with a rag remains. It happens unsuccessfully to put the saucer in the corner of the basket, and in front of it there is a large plate - water may not get on the saucer at all. In the upper basket, circles placed clearly in the corners do not wash off plaque. When I need to wash them thoroughly, I twist the rocker with my hand and see where to arrange the dishes, so that a couple of watering holes pass directly under them.

The fact of the matter is that the dishes seem to be clean, they are not greasy and there are no food residues, this is some kind of plaque that is not clear, maybe from a rinse aid? All laminarko dishes are covered in such a bloom.
The food was not greasy, I wash it at 70.
Even before that, I threw off a photo of pans with drops.

[Bee]

Bee, it seems to me that these are not tablets and not the amount of rinse salt. Faced exactly the same problem (I wrote 2-3 pages back). All the dishes are clean and only on some plates (Luminark, Freesia series) from shockproof glass is formed the same baida.
Here is Luminarkovskaya:

But similar plates (glass + drawing on the back of the plate) of domestic production, there is no "plaque":

Oh, I am tormented by vague doubts that this glass itself behaves this way, who knows what is added to it so that the dishes do not break.

[So there is no plaque]

I have Luminarkovskaya girls, but I use dark glass without a pattern, I use a powder + salt + one firm Denk mit Germany (though today I have reduced the dosage of the one, I want to see what happens) So there is no plaque, washing plates in Auto mode 35-45 degrees + 1/2 load + 20 g powder (norm 20-40 g)

Hello everyone. and I finally got a dishwasher. I don’t know any problems with dishes for a month. I use Frosch pills, the result is great. Bosch car for 13 sets. I put half a tablet on a full load and the result is super. at first I put in a whole - and there was a white coating, then I read reviews about these pills, and began to use half. most of all I like how the plastic containers are washed (I take lunches to work), they look like new. By the way, I bought tablets in the online store 108 UAH -30 pieces. and at the buffet table I looked - so they are there 135 UAH. since there are only two of us and we wash the dishes in about a day, it comes out economically

Oh, and I also sinned on pills. Luminarkovskaya dishes are colored with a bloom, like the remains of powder, and the brown set is perfectly washed, squeaks like rubbed with a towel. And at least than mine - the same situation. I changed both expensive and cheap products, Finish, Somat, KlinOk, Snounter. And for some reason, glasses from under the water are not washed, with the same bloom.

On a white bloom, I read somewhere (when choosing a car) that it is regulated by the presence of salt. I remember exactly what was written there about the cloudy glass, with a bloom, then "wet" dishes and muddy streaks on the dishes. I have nothing, so I didn't "dive" in the topic. There is infa in the internet

Please tell me if anyone has used Faery Platinum in capsules for cleaning dishwashers. Where do we put the capsules? And what are the impressions of this tool from those who tried it?

At first, my dishwasher also shook my intestines (or I ...), for a long time I could not adjust it, for about half a year, then a white bloom, then a rainbow film. Or all the dishes were perfectly washed-and some objects were covered with a coating. I twisted, adjusted, combined all the settings and at the same time tested all the detergents we have on sale one by one. And somehow it coincided: either I adjusted the settings correctly, or I picked up the appropriate tablets, or one suited the other - everything TTT is perfect.

Please tell me if anyone has used Faery Platinum in capsules for cleaning dishwashers.Where do we put the capsules? And what are the impressions of this tool from those who tried it?

In this thread, I read about funds yesterday somewhere around page 30-40, there is still a photo, very unflattering reviews. Here is one review near 66 pages.
Choosing a dishwasher "Reply # 1316 Oct 14. 2013, 12:06 "The first thing that emit a chemical smell, the second is the poor quality of washing [The choice of detergents for the dishwasher" Reply # 1320 Oct 14. 2013, 13:18 ", put directly on the door not in the dispenser

At first, my dishwasher also shook my guts (or I ...),

Here, here I am about the same. I take the dishes out of the car and taste them. It is salty (a lot of salt), then it is normal. That is soapy, if you take it with wet hands, then it's okay ... What does she need?

Please tell me if anyone has used Faery Platinum in capsules for cleaning dishwashers. Where do we put the capsules? And what are the impressions of this tool from those who tried it?

Actually, these are capsules for washing dishes, not for cleaning PMM. I have been using it for several months, I like it. There is no smell from the dishes, unlike the Finish tablets. The capsule shell dissolves completely even with a short program. The dishes are washed well, the pans and pans are clean after the soup, there is no protein residue. I put it in the compartment (dispenser) for tablets / powder.

And who cleans the PM with what? Soon a year I will be with the machine, is it time to clean it, or not? I saw Zanussi tablets for cleaning PM, somewhere here I saw a liquid product. And who else cleans with what and how are the impressions?

Please tell me if anyone has used Faery Platinum in capsules for cleaning dishwashers. Where do we put the capsules? And what are the impressions of this tool from those who tried it?

In principle, the dishes are washed normally, but the smell, even food, after lying in containers, becomes a fairy taste.

In principle, the dishes are washed normally, but the smell, even food, after lying in containers, becomes a fairy taste.

I already wrote about Fairy platinum. The smell, in comparison with other tablets (especially "finish"), is NOT very strong. I put a whole capsule in a small machine (45 cm) (I can't divide it, really), I wash it on the machine 45-60 degrees, there is no taste on the dishes. And licked and smelled - nothing. Perhaps the quality of the products varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. I have Germany. And further. Despite the fact that the capsules are "All in one" - rinse, at least at a minimum, it is necessary to use it. And the smell will be less and everything will be washed off with a "fairy taste".

[removed the rinse aid to 0]

And I did two days ago removed the rinse aid to 0 Germany with surfactants. Reduced to 1 all the same rainbow stain on the plates, I have a backlight in the dishwasher, and on glassware after drying I saw a "rainbow film". Now she's gone, so it's a film from the rinse aid. A whole bottle is in the table, recently filled with 100 ml. into the typewriter. What to do with the bottle now? We must also try vinegar 50/50, I read that vinegar kills germs and is used as a garnish. It turns out 2 in one. Who uses vinegar share your impressions. Does the rinse aid container and rubber deteriorate from prolonged use of vinegar?

Flax, now the boys will come and "chew" for all these vinegars .... Without going into details, I'll just say - it's an acid that can eat away at everything ... read literally 10 pages ago - this is constantly discussed here ...

here they wrote about who adds what to the machine ...

Flax, now the boys will come and "chew" for all these vinegars .... Without going into details, I'll just say - it's an acid that can eat away everything ... read literally 10 pages ago - this is constantly discussed here ...

That's what I was afraid of, about the container, probably it's plastic, it's not scary, but if the metal is already here. I was also worried about the rubber band and the plastic parts inside how they would react to acid, so I asked for advice

We renovated our washing machine once.In it, it is all sorts of rubber gaskets, couplings, well, any rubber - - dried out, lost elasticity, which led to breakdowns and leaks.
I suppose that the same situation is possible in the dishwasher. So why exacerbate the situation yourself with vinegar?

We renovated our washing machine once. In it, it is all sorts of rubber gaskets, couplings, well, any rubber - - dried out, lost elasticity, which led to breakdowns and leaks.
I suppose that the same situation is possible in the dishwasher. So why exacerbate the situation yourself with vinegar?

Regarding the washing machine, I have a lot of experience - for my family life I already have 5 cars, I sold all the old ones in working order, I myself (with the help of my husband) disassembled and cleaned all the nodes (heating element and pump) Vinegar periodically (about once every 3 months .) Pour hot on the heating element for cleaning. Then I turn on the rinse. I have never changed the rubber on any one (the previous Vaerpool worked for 8 years and sold it in working form) But the dishwasher here is a little different, there is a small amount of water and a lot of fat - I think there are other contaminants here, you need to wash it more often and more seriously. I haven't figured it out yet, but everything is ahead: girl-th: I realized one thing - I won't use vinegar for rinsing yet.

Regarding the disinfecting properties of vinegar. At a temperature of 60 degrees. almost all bacteria are killed. Yeast fungi - at 55-60 degrees. also die. In addition to this, the detergent itself (it does not matter, powder, tablet, gel) is a very decently powerful alkali that spreads rot on all microorganisms, practically, to zero.
About disassembling and washing with vinegar. Firstly, any acid cleans well from limescale. This is what they use. But ... Do not forget about what is good for some surfaces - not very good for others. For example, vinegar is not friendly with plastic. And most importantly, there is no need to transfer the experience for regions with hard water to regions where the water is soft. For Peter, for example, this topic is not relevant at all.

And who cleans the PM with what? Soon a year I will be with the machine, is it time to clean it, or not? I saw Zanussi tablets for cleaning PM, somewhere here I saw a liquid product. And who else cleans with what and how are the impressions?

Sometimes I run PMM with a special tool for PMM Finish.
For many years of use, a red bloom has appeared on the baskets (there is a lot of iron in St. Petersburg water). In the summer I washed all the baskets while they are as good as new. The dirtiest place in my PMM is at the bottom of the joint between the door and the bottom, where the elastic is. Previously, I did not pay attention, but then somehow I rubbed it there and In principle, it is natural that dirt collects there. When we load the dishes, some residues fall on the door. Then we move the door to a vertical position and everything flows down and can fall into this gap. There is an elastic band for tightness, respectively, during washing, water does not get there. And then he unloaded the dishes, the door was slammed - a very favorable environment for fungi. Now, almost every time after unloading the PMM, I wipe it there with a paper towel and there is always something to wipe.

Girls on Ozone, I order dishwasher cleaning products and various products: both Minel and Kao, I like everything

Sometimes I run PMM with a special tool for PMM Finish.

Here, I’m probably with you, Lga, and saw this remedy. Need to open the lid and just put it in the PM? In general, I have not seen this here. After a year of using PM, is it necessary to use these funds?

Girls on Ozone, I order dishwasher cleaning and various products: both Minel and Kao, I like everything

True? I didn't know. You need to score in a search engine.

my toiler has been a dishwasher for 5 years. The last 3 I have stopped pouring rinse aid. Everything is wonderfully transparent, dry, and now there are no those whitish stains that sometimes remained on the dishes. So, in my experience, the mouthwash doesn't affect anything!
Regarding the product, I want to recommend this, Denkmit powder produced by Germany.I bought it on the internet, first, according to positive reviews. And then she herself was convinced that it washes everything perfectly! Not worse than the Finish. And a third cheaper.

And can I find out in which online store you buy Denkmit powder?

And can I find out in which online store you buy Denkmit powder?

Anya and I bought at Kidstaff, and there is also at the Sevastopol Forum. The price is about 80 UAH for 2 kg.

Anya and I bought at Kidstaff, and there is also at the Sevastopol Forum. The price is about 80 UAH for 2 kg.

No Yulechka, the first time at Kidstaff, and the second at the Odessa Forum. It's just that it lasts so long that you forget where you bought it.

And can I find out in which online store you buy Denkmit powder?

I buy here the lowest price for this manufacturer powder 62 gr

and yesterday I bought Domol at a stock. It turned out at 52 UAH. And I decided to try their salt (the action turns out to be 13 UAH pack). I was stupid and did not ask to buy rinse aid yet

I buy here the lowest price for this manufacturer powder 62 gr

Wow, wow, we will know now the truth I still have 3 kg in stock

I buy here the lowest price powder 62 gr

Thank you! Very good prices!

I buy here the lowest price for this manufacturer powder 62 gr
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very interesting site, sorry there are no frosh pills, I will try what is on it. thanks for the tip

I buy here the lowest price for this manufacturer powder 62 gr

very interesting site, sorry there are no frosh pills, I will try what is on it. thanks for the tip

And I don’t understand everything for myself, which is more convenient: take a pill, cut it in half, throw one half back into the package, put the other in the dishwasher and close the lid, and then wash your hands and a knife, wipe the place where you cut (this is what my sister does) or take out and open a jar of powder, scoop up half a dose of powder with a measuring spoon, pour it CAREFULLY into the car, close the lid and put the jar in a drawer under the sink (this is what I do). For money, we have almost the same (pills are a little more expensive), but for convenience I do not understand. Probably to understand, you need to buy pills and try to cut. I used pills but did not cut them, it was more convenient than with the powder - then I made the decision LESS CHEMISTRY, and switched to powder 1/2 dose

take out and open a jar of powder, scoop up half a dose of powder with a measuring spoon, pour it CAREFULLY into the car, close the lid and put the jar in a drawer under the sink (this is what I do).

And it's easier for me to buy powder in a large canister of 2.5 or 3 kg. I pour it into a liter canister and then immediately pour it out of it without any measuring spoons (I don't have any special ones). There, in the canister, the nozzle simply opens, and there are risks in the powder container. I do not understand what kind of packaging you are talking about.

My sister's tablets are individually packed in a plastic jar 'that's what I wrote about this package. I don't pour the powder, but put it in an iron can of flour and dispense it with a spoon for coffee machines. It is made of plastic with a long handle, I dispense this kind of washing powder very conveniently, it is sold in accessories for making coffee.

I break the pill (more precisely, I break it) without breaking the package (each of my pills is hidden in an individual package, I have not met others))), then I tear the package, half a tablet falls out into the PMM compartment, the second half of the pill safely remains in its package to wait.
Hands are clean, neither the knife nor the table needs to be washed))