Shelena
Quote: Cure

Hello!
Please help to choose a grandmother for her birthday - he himself had nothing to do with the subject ...
Cure, good evening!
I will not offer you any specific bread maker. Each user will still praise his assistant ...

I want to offer you criteria, by which I chose bread makers for myself and my mother.
1. Nice design. (Each housewife has her own favorite colors and shapes. Some stoves, even with very good reviews, are frankly annoying with their design.)
size 2. (Our kitchens are usually small. It is worth considering where the appliance will stand.)
3. Well-tuned basic programs.
4. Availability of a programmable mode. (Ability to set your own settings at each stage.)
5. Convenient, understandable Russian-language menu, large print.
6. Good instruction, with prescribed steps for each program.
7. Bucket shape and size. (I like the usual elongated loaf better. A large bucket is convenient because you can make a lot of dough for pies, etc. at once.)
8. Feedback from other users.
9. Reasonable price.

The brand doesn't matter to me. My friends and acquaintances have different stoves: from expensive to very penny. Delicious bread is baked in both ...
Happy choice!
Torrek
I would also add a "large user community", because the more people bake on a specific model, the more improvised recipes for a specific HP (in any case, with MV, the criterion turned out to be almost the main one). Although grandmothers are rarely friends with the Internet, so there is probably no need
Cure
Thanks to everyone's efforts, the circle of suspects narrowed to:

Kenwood BM256
Moulinex OW6121
Panasonic SD-2500WTS


Mar_k
Cure, I can also suggest - Mystery 1203 - a good stove, compact, in a metal case, made very carefully, up to 1 kg, bakes well different breads, 12 programs !!! The price is very affordable, if you search and you can find it for 2500 !!!
Torrek
Regarding Polaris - I came, it looks like 5 points, I looked at Kenwood BM366 before - so it is 2 times more expensive and looks many times worse. The first attempt to make bread came out with a bang - I made 2 rolls at once according to different recipes, both turned out, but did not notice much difference in taste Works quietly, looks super and cooks itself without problems, in general I still advise
PS: I went to write on Ya. Market full review
Cure
Mar_k, thanks for the advice! Maybe we'll have to do this if we take two, but inexpensive ones.

Torrek, great, congratulations! And what about the "night mode", if you put it at night, so that in the morning hot bread is already waiting? Will give you sleep, haven't you checked the volume of sound signals yet? Then give the link to a detailed review, where write.
Torrek
Quote: Cure

Torrek, great, congratulations! And what about the "night mode", if you put it at night, so that in the morning hot bread is already waiting? Will give you sleep, haven't you checked the volume of sound signals yet? Then give the link to a detailed review, where write.
This is what I did the first time - https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...291.0
The review was posted on Yandex, but it has not yet been moderated. In general, I gave 5 points, there are many minor flaws, but these are more nitpicking. I can't say anything about the night one, because we have baked two rolls and we are not going to bake yet. But the stove is working quietly, you can't hear it in the next room, you can hear it if you sit in the same room. Sounds at the very beginning when mixing, then bakes silently. The beep is very loud and nasty, it can get in the way, but maybe it can be turned off (I did not find such a function, but it can be).
Torrek
Very interesting, I wrote a review on Yandex, gave 5 points to the bread maker, and they wrote to me "Review rejected: Your review did not go through the automatic filtering system. We ask you to be understanding. This system is designed to combat cheating and spam.The criteria for screening are not disclosed. "For this reason, the Bread Maker has no positive reviews, I am just shocked by Yandex.
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I wonder if I give her 4 points and not 5, will the review pass?
Torrek
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Very interesting, I wrote a review on Yandex, gave 5 points to the bread maker, and they wrote to me "Review rejected: Your review did not go through the automatic filtering system. We ask you to treat with understanding. This system is designed to combat cheating and spam. Criteria for screening out, not disclosed. " For this reason, Bread Maker has no positive reviews, I am just shocked by Yandex.
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I wonder if I give her 4 points and not 5, will the review pass?
I put not 5 points, but 4 - the review passed. I haven't changed a word in the review. Draw conclusions
entin
Torrek, this is something ..!
Marina2011
Hello.

I forgive help in choosing a bread maker.

Important Wishlist:

1. a loaf of 450-500 gr., If there is such that 500 and 1000 GB is even better, suddenly you want a lot.
2.power not less than 800 W,
3.Rounded corners in the bucket
4.1 stirrer
5.Program: Whole Grain

Thank you very much for the help.
Mar_k
Marina2011, very personal bread maker https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=117439.0
It bakes well, I bought it for my mother, baked different breads from 1c flour and with a large addition of whole grain, rye, bran ... I liked it '
sazalexter
Marina2011, No matter how trite, Panasonic.
Marina2011
Mar_k , I will study.

sazalexter, Panasonic does not fit. The manufacturer's website indicates the minimum weight of a roll is 600, but I need no more than 500.
sazalexter
Marina2011, The maximum size of Panasonic's bread is 600g in flour, this is more than 1kg of finished bread, more https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=197192.0 1500 g or more is a HP with two blades.
The power indicated in the specification is the power of the ten. The motor in Panasonic has 100 W
Marina2011
Or I don't even understand, the manufacturer's website says: 3 sizes of a loaf 750 / and so on. A loaf is not flour, but a finished product.
sazalexter
Marina2011, Panasonic has 3 modes for flour 400/500/600 gr and nothing arc can be
Marina2011
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Marina 2011, Panasonic has 3 modes for flour 400/500/600 g and there can be nothing arc
in ready-made bread 400 (flour) is about how much?
sazalexter
Marina2011, Now I will not say, but 600 g of flour is up to 1300 g of bread at the exit, the weight depends on the recipe.
Admin
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Marina2011, Now I will not say, but 600 g of flour is up to 1300 g of bread at the exit, the weight depends on the recipe.

600 grams of flour is about 900-1000 grams of finished bread
The ratio of the weight of the finished bread and the amount of flour https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=115935.0
Admin
Quote: Marina2011

in ready-made bread 400 (flour) is about how much?

400 grams of flour = ABOUT 600-650 grams of ready-made bread, see the topic "Ratio ..." at the link above
Or 150 grams of flour = 450 grams of finished bread
Marina2011
It turns out that the manufacturer has the correct size for the smallest bread. Therefore, I wrote that it does not fit. I need no more than 500, but if she can cope with a large amount, then I am for.
sazalexter
Marina2011, For a small weight of bread, take a closer look at the Rolsen RBM bread maker - 530 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=167931.0 although you want a larger size, alas, it will not work ...
Marina2011
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Marina2011, Low weight Rolsen RBM Bread Maker - 530 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=167931.0
Thank you. Right now I will study.
Torrek
Quote: Marina2011

Hello.

I forgive help in choosing a bread maker.

Important Wishlist:

1. a loaf of 450-500 gr., If there is such that 500 and 1000 GB is even better, suddenly you want a lot.
2.power not less than 800 W,
3.Rounded corners in the bucket
4.1 stirrer
5.Program: Whole Grain

Thank you very much for the help.
Polaris PBM 1501D

1. Loaves for 500-750-1000-1250 g. There you can simply insert a small or large bucket, in a small bucket for 500 and 750, the rest in a large
2. Power 890
3. Rounded corners
4. In small buckets, 1 mixer, in large 2
5. There is such a program
V-tina
Quote: Marina2011
I forgive help in choosing a bread maker.
Look at this one, I like it, however, the power is only 530, but for a loaf of 400-500 gr. it is enough https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=278353.0
Marina2011
Quote: V-tina

Look at this one, I like it, however, the power is only 530, but for a loaf of 400-500 gr. it is enough https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...on=com_smf&topic=278353.0
it is not on sale in Moscow.

Brain explosion, I’m not sure.
Torrek
Quote: Marina2011
Polaris PBM 1501D
Why didn't this suit you? https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=334291.0 ? Well, or Rolsen, which was suggested above
Marina2011
I don't need a dispenser in Polaris PBM 1501D, but Rolsen is still trying to find a bread maker to interfere with a loaf of 500 and 1000, suddenly I want pies.
likbez
we want to buy the right bread maker, branded, more expensive, but always with a churn and, God forbid, not a ski (LG). advise, who knows, such models?
sazalexter
likbez, Maybe then separately? Good HP and churn.
likbez
I already stopped at the kenwood bm 450, but a wave of negative reviews prevented me from buying this model. we want to buy at a higher price, but they write there that it breaks down regularly and hopelessly
sazalexter
likbez, Panasonic SD-2501, expensive, reliable, but oil does not.https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=197192.3480
likbez
just stopped at it, and the oil will have to be learned with a mixer. maybe - what accessories or spare parts are it advisable to purchase immediately? so that later there would be no problems due to the discontinuation of the model and compatible units
sazalexter
likbez,
Quote: likbez
accessories or parts appropriate
It is not advisable, the bucket serves somewhere 4 years or more, the scapula too, I see no point. There are no problems with spare parts.
likbez
does it make sense to look for 2501 or can we stop at 2500? nuts and raisins can be thrown through the roof or not?
sazalexter
likbez, Nuts and raisins at 2500 can be thrown at the signal of HP, through the lid.
likbez
in the middle of the night it's probably not very convenient
Quote: sazalexter
throw at the signal of HP, through the lid.
sazalexter
likbez, If you plan to bake with raisins and nuts at night, then it's not convenient.
Aleksey
Hello everybody.
Recently we have acquired 2 bread makers: Panasonic 2502 and Oursson BM1000 (white).
The stoves were purchased one (Panasonic 2502) for us, the second (Oursson BM1000) for parents.
There are no questions about baking. Everything suits me.
But there are several questions about Oursson BM1000. I want to note right away that you have read the guide for beginners on the site.
Question: My parents claim that, unlike the Panasonic 2502 oven, their oven produces white wheat bread worse. The simplest (first) bread program is used without any additives. Externally (after baking) bread looks like bread, but when you squeeze the crumb of wheat bread, it turns into plasticine. That is, the parents think that their bread baker bakes worse.
Changed and added more yeast. Made with milk and water. During kneading, the bun was controlled. All ingredients are measured according to the recipe in the oven instructions and on a verified scale. The oven lid was not opened during lifting and baking. Milliliters and grams are not confused, teaspoons and tablespoons too. Although water does affect (as many write), we have practically one pipe for two families - one water supply. The flour is also the same - also changed.
1) What do you think (to the owners of the stove) this Oursson BM1000 stove is defective, just bad, etc. Can you advise something?
2) No toast racks were found with this oven, but there are molds for baguettes. They write a lot about the fact that toasts are - in other words - crap, but it's still a shame that they are not there. Owners of the oven, do you have such toast racks in stock, or did the manufacturer change the equipment without notice? They opened the package at my home, they could not steal it.


Thanks in advance.
Cure
So, we found time to unsubscribe.

I bought a Panasonic SD-2500WTS for my grandmother - I'm very happy. We haven't gone into details yet, since we live far away.

What is easier for yourself - Vitek 1993 w. And we are also very satisfied. It does not burn, does not fall off, kneads perfectly, the signals are not loud, as I wanted, there are many programs ... The recipes in the book are simple and some with inaccuracies, but they also made different berry cupcakes with oatmeal (although there is no cake program, but there is one for programming). Cupcakes generally fly away - baking program, 1.5 hours and everything is OK!
Onion bread is the most popular bread. He is in the photo. Thank you all for the advice.

Help with choosing a bread machine
entin
Thank God! Good choice! Now go ahead, experiments await! We don't take any baked goods in stores for 2 years already!
tascha
Please help with advice. I read a lot here, thanks to everyone who is not lazy to write and explain.
Is it convenient in a bread maker (I want to knead the dough (on dumplings) from Panasonic0, and then take it out? How does this happen, please describe.
V-tina
Of course it's convenient) I fell asleep and poured everything, after kneading the dough I took out and sculpt dumplings
Albina
tascha, if you do not have a separate dough mixer, then the bread maker does an excellent job with dough for dumplings, cakes, muffins
Kleopatra9
Quote: likbez

we want to buy the right bread maker, branded, more expensive, but always with a churn and, God forbid, not a ski (LG). advise, who knows, such models?

Tell me, why are they so categorically against LG? It seems that they are considered one of the most reliable with Panasonic and Moulinex ...

I myself choose between LG (in general I would like the 2001 model - but they are no longer produced, it is unrealistic to find it on sale, now they have released a 3003 to replace it - heaped up and for a lot of money), Philips 9046 and oursson 1000Y. For me, a prerequisite is the presence of a program of yogurt and amenities (otherwise Redmond suggests pouring milk directly into the bowl of HB, and more than 2 cups in HB does not fit) well, and so that she copes well with her direct responsibilities (even if not as wonderful as Panasonic, well, no they have yogurt).

There is HB experience, I played for a year with an old Japanese assembly of Supra - we got it without a glass and tried all the recipes from the forum and brought them to mind.
Maryam-apa
Hello everyone! Help with the choice. I have Panasonic, very happy. But! Now children need HP, so that they bake well and not very expensive.
Tatashak
Hello) I want to buy a bread maker for a blind person. Accordingly, it is necessary that the buttons are perceived by touch. Advise, huh?)
Maxim Maximovich
Poooooooogite !!!! :-)
There is such an oven: VITEK VT-1993 W Bread Maker 🔗
There are almost no reviews on the network on the performance of this oven. I plan to bake with rye yeast (they write that rye needs a special spatula, but this one has only one, will it work?) And amaranth bread, bake cupcakes for tea, with different fillings. White bread and its variations are not interesting. In general, tell me if she can handle it (instructions on the site)? It seems that there is a programmable mode, and quite well configurable.

I can’t decide what to take. Already I began to look at Unold 68415/68615, but the language barrier and the price raise doubts.
sazalexter
Maxim Maximovich, The quality will be like everything from the whites, China, for the rye shoulder blade will go for wheat

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