Mar_k
Ninelle, I really like my HP! Moulinex 600230 in a stainless steel case, the one with baguettes and additional baking sheets! There were no breakdowns during the year of work! Therefore, I can only recommend her! I bake baguettes, quite often, but it's more convenient for children to take such buns than to cut bread! Now there are the same, only with a dispensary.
And here are my baguettes https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=321209.0
Baked more pies in HP
Ninelle
In my opinion, according to my requests, Yandex gave it to me .... Thank you, I'll look! I don’t remember the current ... I had that bad sho ... Was it Moulinex for an hour!?! Or Tefal ....
Ninelle
Exactly .. Moulinex ... was.
Ninelle
Marinaaa, and she is direct according to recipes and simply bakes without dancing with tambourines ?!
Mar_k
Ninelle, Bakes, I do not conjure over her! This is my first HP, at first, probably a month or two, we got used to each other, and now it’s clever !!!
Ninelle
So she nravitstsa to me ... until 20 I will think about it ..
Ninelle
Marin, look, Yandex is giving me this 🔗
lega
On our forum, it is a tradition to advise everyone to HP Panasonic. I'm not going to break the tradition - see Panasonic, any of the three models - 2500, 2501, 2502. The very fifth year with Panasonic and I don’t know grief (be, be, be ...) I would not advise based only on my personal experience, but the topic has been repeatedly written by the owners of several models. So they, having an objective opportunity to compare, argue that Panas is better.
Ninelle
lega, thanks, I will look purely externally, and at the functional.
Ninelle
lega, looked at the parameters, now we need infa from you, the direct user. What exactly do you bake in it? For example, does she make yeast-free baked goods?
Ninelle
Marina, you de, avuu? Are you alive? Tell me what she can do with you, I read here that some Mulinexes even bake ciabatu ..
lisa567
I will ask again, no one answered something. Help me decide on a budget bread maker. We need a dough function (for dumplings, pies). I look at the 400 scartet, Rolsen RBM-1309 and Rolsen RBM-530. Is it worth it to contact this company or see something else? Which bread maker would YOU recommend?
Creamy
Panasonic. This is the most budget-friendly oven, guaranteeing the finest baked goods.
Mar_k
Quote: Ninelle

Marina, you de, avuu? Are you alive? Tell me what she can do with you, I read here that some Mulinexes even bake ciabatu ..

I'm sick, I took a potion on my soul
Here is my chabata https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=229056.0
Mar_k
Quote: Ninelle

Marin, look, Yandex is giving me this 🔗

So I have a similar one, only without a dispenser!

Here's another crumb baked bread https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=89297.0.html
Ninelle
Marina, I either want to sleep, or I am blonde .. What kind of coverage does your HP have?
Mar_k
Quote: Ninelle

Marina, I either want to sleep, or I am blonde .. What kind of coverage does your HP have?
What is it like? Non-stick probably but it is different?
Ninelle
the Panasovs advertise the diamond
Mar_k
Quote: Ninelle

the Panasovs advertise the diamond
I can't say anything! I must re-read the instructions! As it did not even think about it!
Ninelle
but it does not climb? Can you wash a tray and a bucket in the PMM?
Omela
Ninelle, why do you need a bucket in PMM ?? Nothing sticks there. They rinsed with warm water and that's it.
Ninelle
Omela, yeah ...? I say, it was a sad experience, so I ask again ...
Ninelle
Omela, oh, tell us about your HP? Please ...
Omela
What kind of experience ?? Well, sometimes the dough will stick under the shoulder blade, so I poured some water for 5 minutes and got soaked. Here's the thing, I never thought to shove it into the PMM. Although, if you are going to cook jam or porridge there, then I don't know, maybe it makes sense.
Omela
Quote: Ninelle

Omela, oh, tell us about your HP? Please ...
I have Bork-500 and Scarlett-400.
Ninelle
Such an experience, we bought Moulinex as a gift for my mother, set to bake bread, it did not work, even though they followed the recipe in their own little book. Then we left, she stood for a long time, and her daughter-in-law wanted her, tried it once, twice, three times - it turns out garbage. Then her (daughter-in-law's) mother said that we all don't know how to do anything and started trying it myself - the result is the same. Then the experienced owner of HP, the daughter-in-law's daughter-in-law, came, said that everything and everything had been done wrong before, she did it herself - it turned out to be complete garbage, that is, nothing happened. All have tried modes and recipes.
Ninelle
Quote: Omela
I have Bork-500 and Scarlett-400.
I have already read this, by the way, Scarlet is a budget option, but Bork is not? how do they compare?
Omela
Quote: Ninelle
All have tried modes and recipes.
Yes?? Is it strange? Garbage can happen if there is a factory defect. In Bork, by the way, there was such a case here: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=98628.0, that is, due to a poorly working heating element, the roof was not baked. There is nothing you can do about it. And in all other respects ... We have people, Crumbs, for example, as many as 2 Moulinex. And both bake fine.
Omela
Quote: Ninelle
how do they compare?
I bake a little in HP. And if I do bake, then either on dough or long fermentation. It works equally well in both HPs. Scarlett is a normal stove. And in Bork two buckets peeled off, each after a year of use.
Ninelle
There, apparently, the party was like that, because I read the reviews, with the same problems, one to one. I don’t remember the model, tomorrow I’ll ask my daughter-in-law.
Marina Mar-k also advises Mulinex. But I still want to pick. Although Stebik was advised to me, how I fell in love with him immediately, and ordered
Ninelle
Quote: Omela
Scarlett is a normal stove. And in Bork two buckets peeled off, each after a year of use.
Is the price not a guarantee of quality in this case? The year before last, a girl told me that her cheap Hitachi gives out awesome bread, and some kind of expensive - garbage ..
Omela
Quote: Ninelle
Marina Mar-k also advises Mulinex.
I don’t know about today's Mulinex, I don’t follow. Previously, the bottom had a problem - the roof remained light. People were paving foil on the window. Now. probably everything is different.

Quote: Ninelle
Is the price not a guarantee of quality in this case?
Absolutely. But I bought for a long time (and it works, by the way, TTT), even before the forum. It suited me in size and color.
Ninelle
Quote: Omela
It suited me in size and color.
Oooooo, I just bought a meat grinder ... and now I automatically select HP either black or black and steel ...
Thanks for the consultation!
Oh, it's hard to choose ..
Omela
Quote: Ninelle
I select either black or black and steel ...
otozh and I had such a thing. And also, so that it is extended in length, so that it opens and does not touch the hinged shelves.
Mar_k
And also, I'm not soaking the bucket now! As I baked it (and I push the blades out before it starts to bake, after kneading), so I leave it, and when I bake it again, I just rinse it off with warm water and everything that has dried will disappear. Lubricated the bushings with silicone so that the water does not spoil, this is how it works without problems! The roof is baked well, even with 1.5 kg - under the lid itself!
Mar_k
NinelleWhatever the choice, let it only please and bring pleasure! The only thing is that the glasses in Moulinex lie! So I immediately bought the scales to HP! Maybe the bread did not work for this, although who knows!
Ninelle
Yeah, tomorrow at work I will torture the girl, what her HP is, but I suspect. that she will send me with questions ... to her husband, because he cooks there ..
Ninelle
Mar_k, so that's the question, I want to make you happy! And then Hotter bought a multicooker - not only is it not an ice in itself, it also collapsed! They bought HP, and no one could get joy from her.
So I'm torturing you here!
sazalexter
NinelleWithout yeast bread matzo, Armenian lavash, chapatis ... not a single CP in the world bakes. Soda cake please. Everything else contains yeast, and the sourdough is still a bunch of all kinds of bacteria, it is not known what.
Ninelle
sazalexter, oh, but what about some of the characteristics indicated yeast-free baked goods ?!
sazalexter
NinelleThese are shoals of sales managers.It is fashionable now to scare with yeast, sellers in general in bakery are full of noobs
sazalexter
Suitable for starter cultures Zojirushi Breadmaker BB-CEC20 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=159825.0 Bread maker Brand 3801 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=293691.0 as an option DeLonghi EOB 2071 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=143917.0
The rest of the HP are usually automata, or truncated programmable ones at best, without "dancing with a tambourine" you can't bake on sourdough.
Ninelle
sazalexter, Dancing with tambourines, the concept is extensible, the main thing for me is that it is not more difficult than in the oven, and not to mess with the kneading (although I really like to tinker with the dough, especially yeast dough, I love listening to it, how it breathes, squeaks, talks ), because there is not so much time as it was while sitting with the child. Store bread does not drain at all, my husband has high cholesterol, my mother has sugar, and everyone needs to lose weight. The child also doesn't really want to give bread with improvers, bleaches, baking powder and the entire periodic table .. Therefore, a bread maker is needed, put everything in the night - in the morning he took out bread.
sazalexter
Ninelle, put everything in the night - in the morning he took out bread, this is Panasonic, unless of course you dwell on sourdough https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=197192.0
Ninelle
Marina, and in Moulinex you can fall asleep everything in the evening, and in the morning you took out some bread?
sazalexter
Ninelle, It is also possible in Moulinex, if the recipe is worked out, then in any HP where there is a delayed start.
According to Moulinex https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=369.0
Ninelle
sazalexter, impressed by the shtatovskaya, according to your link. BUT! Since I had 4-5 in English at school, I know him at the "face of table" level, so, unfortunately, it disappears ...
sazalexter
Ninelle, Regarding the coating of the bucket, in all HP it is Teflon, except for one HP it allegedly has ceramics, Viconte VC 801 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=167888.0 but in fact, polyorganosiloxane is even worse than Teflon https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=186131.1020
All noname HP have one advantage, the price. And at the same time, there are a lot of shortcomings, the main one of which is complete or partial lack of support, neither a shovel nor a bucket, as a rule, you cannot buy it later, low reliability, maintainability tends to zero. So there is something to think about.
sazalexter
Ninelle, Yes, I also forgot to indicate the programmable non-name HP with a greatly overpriced Bork X800 bread machine https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=141429.0
Ninelle
sazalexter, I don’t want to buy a cheap one ... I’ve already burned myself, I won’t know the unknown Zaokena Brand either, because how to do with it and how it is eaten is unknown. However, you just wrote about all this. While miracles happen, the cheap ones work wonderfully.

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