Help with choosing a bread maker

Which stove has the most reliable bucket? And in terms of design and quality of the coating? My pan in Panas is a quiet horror, I have to buy pots from a third-party manufacturer, since the Panasonic policy forces me to buy new pots quite often, costing half the cost of a new multi Panas! I don’t want any more of such a "golden service" at my expense!

Panasonic. With all the high cost of Panasonic buckets, I had to change it after I dropped the spoon inside the working HP and this spoon tore off pretty decent pieces of the coating. That is, it was only the curvature of my arms. Well, for two and a half years, the coating got out of the mixer, I bought a mixer from 2546/257 model (black).

all other buckets: often either the coating is erased, or wedged, or leaks after a year or two of work.

And according to the option of installing the bucket, I really like Panasonic - no clamps, no twisting, no jumping off (all the same Yunold sinned by jumping off the grooves of the bucket, then the driving mechanism begins to scroll through the mixer mechanism, and this leads to damage to the equipment).

That is, it turns out that all the buckets are the same in terms of peeling? Is there a ceramic-coated bucket like some pressure cookers (or steel)? Or maybe you can immediately buy a bucket of non-Teflon?

this has not been seen in our markets. Someone in Crimea suggested making buckets out of steel in a handicraft way, but there were no reviews.

this has not been seen in our markets. Someone in Crimea suggested making buckets out of steel in a handicraft way, but there were no reviews.

What, again, is only Sibovar (NEK, a company from Tomsk)? Oo how complicated it is! Well, let's say Panas is the leader, but if we take a smaller budget - then what kind of stove would most meet the desire - to have a stove that does not squeak at night! This is my only desire in addition to the fact that she still bakes simple bread well!

then the way out is to buy a simple stove and turn off the sound block in it, we had craftsmen here who described a similar operation, but I don't remember where.

then the way out is to buy a simple stove and turn off the sound block in it, we had craftsmen here who described a similar operation, but I don't remember where.

Hooray!!! It seems I found it - Supra, and right in the same forum (Help with the choice of a bread machine.) On pages 4-5 it seems

then the way out is to buy a simple stove and turn off the sound block in it, we had craftsmen here who described a similar operation, but I don't remember where.

and lose your warranty

The only thing I read where io on the forum is that Panas's bread turns out to be softer - it seems more layered than in some other oven. Perhaps it’s true, I don’t know I remember how my grandfather, who lived in apt. behind the wall - the whole entrance languished just every holiday - there was such a smell! And others bake - yes, and it smells wonderful, but not so and not that! I don't even know what to decide on, maybe there is such a big difference in the ovens. By analogy with cartoons - they differ in the set of functionality, somewhere more, somewhere less, but the main preparation is still about the same.

Panas at least picks (quietly) only at the end of the program

and yes, the quality of the bread is different in different ovens. I have already written more than once - I now have a Yunold (German) in my work, so I don’t like bread from it ... it’s some kind of unfinished, unmixed, under-baked ... so I use it as a dough mixer (and even then I’m not particularly happy) ...

Therefore, I think - yes, the Panas stove is good. but the same is probably for less money! The market for stoves is completely new to me and I rush from model to model, it turns out that it’s quite a mess.

Do not be tormented by you. If HP is the first, take the inexpensive one, they are all good.
And one more thing: why look for "eternal" buckets? It's like buying "eternal" reel-to-reel tape recorders 20 years ago. Imagine: new technologies have come, and the reel-to-reel tape recorder is like new, and it’s a pity to throw it away, and it takes a place, and the sound is not the same.
You will read these lines more than once here: "Hurray, the bucket is leaking, I am buying a new bread maker!"

So this is the torment of joy! Well, if frankly (in a whisper) in the supra - not that ... Yes, the owners will forgive me, everything always depends on the baker himself, of course! Well, I never baked anything from pastry at all, I want to buy the baker himself! By the way, it is also very important for me that she kneads the unleavened dough well, I want pita bread too! They say you need an oven with short stirrer blades - is that true?

Do not be tormented by you. If HP is the first, take the inexpensive one, they are all good.
And one more thing: why look for "eternal" buckets? It's like buying "eternal" reel-to-reel tape recorders 20 years ago. Imagine: new technologies have come, and the reel-to-reel tape recorder is like new, and it’s a pity to throw it away, and it takes a place, and the sound is not the same.
You will read these lines more than once here: "Hurray, the bucket is leaking, I am buying a new bread maker!"

Yes, I am in a panic after a pan of Panasik, and more likely it is like this - "Horror, again Teflon peeled off, not even 3 months have passed!"

Yes, I am in a panic after a pan of Panasik, and more likely it is like this - "Horror, again Teflon peeled off, not even 3 months have passed!"

Many people scold the Panasonic cartoon for covering the bowl, but I can only praise him. The cartoon is already 2 years old, but nothing peels off, nothing sticks. And Marucci began to stick very quickly, after three months, although there is not a single scratch anywhere. Maybe, of course, a matter of chance ... you were not lucky with Panasovskaya cartoons, but Marusya and I were not lucky .. but with Panas, on the contrary, I really like the saucepan ...

Many people scold the Panasonic cartoon for covering the bowl, but I can only praise him. The cartoon is already 2 years old, but nothing peels off, nothing sticks. And Marucci began to stick very quickly, after three months, although there is not a single scratch anywhere. Maybe, of course, a matter of chance ... you were not lucky with Panasovskaya cartoons, but Marusya and I were not lucky .. but with Panas, on the contrary, I really like the saucepan ...

Yes, it's not that bad luck - look how many Panas owners complain about the bowl coating and the subsequent expensive replacement with a new pan from Panas, on a not unknown forum - this is very, very much for many!
I don't want to contact a similar manufacturer again. which has "golden tech. service"

I don't want to contact a similar manufacturer again. which has "golden tech. service"

There are many "manufacturers" in the world who have no service at all. Just don't say that you will throw out the HP and buy a new one. I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!!! https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=120774.0
Search for the scapula. More buckets https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=44579.0
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=36855.0 bucket repair https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=91299.0 https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&topic=32099.0
I don’t even want to talk about searching for instructions, this is a separate topic.
And there is no need to dump everything in one heap, a slow cooker, a bread maker ... These are different devices and different manufacturing plants.
And as they say, chickens are counted in the fall. Let's see what other manufacturers of multicooker will do over the years. How will they have with pots and breakages

Eh ... The service is excellent, and in my city it is so even more so - to buy a headache, all you have to do is look for spare parts and beg to sell! And on Panasonic you get a good mix of unleavened dough for unleavened lavash?

[NAT555]

NAT555 The dough kneads just super! Tested on dumplings and just a yeast-type pizza

Thanks for the feedback! I found 2501 in one of the shops in the city of Panas, for 7500r. - the normal price, if delivery from an Internet store is still from 1200 rubles? New Year is very soon, I want to buy myself an oven and a new pressure cooker.

[NAT555]

NAT555 In different regions in different ways, we have 5 630 ... 8 780 rubles.

The Kenwood 450 also comes with a dispenser and is also programmable. Or do kenwood buckets tend to leak?

Hello!!! I'm going to buy myself a bakery, I wanted to buy a Panasonic 2501, but while I was thinking, they were all sold out in our local store ...: this: But there is also a Panasonic 2500. And the question arose, how do these models differ from each other? : - \ And what are the advantages and disadvantages of 2500 ??

[Chamomile 13]

Chamomile 13 sd 2500 without nut dispenser, sd 2501 with dispenser. sd 2501 has a "Rye" mode and a spatula-comb, the sd 2500 does not.

I have 2500. So glad of her, but dispensers are not really needed, and a comb-blade too .. Panasonic can cope without these systems ..

The Kenwood 450 also comes with a dispenser and is also programmable. Or do kenwood buckets tend to leak?

Programming in it is conditional - mixing cannot be avoided. In the first bucket, the gasket fell off very quickly, but it did not leak, it just rusted and stopped spinning. But in the second bucket (managed to replace it during the warranty period) the gasket is much better.

Thanks for the feedback!
I also liked kenwood and it with a dispenser, but they stopped reviews of the bucket and yes, it is conditionally programmable, I was looking for Panas 2502, I didn't find something, I ordered Panas sd 2501 Did anyone pay in the online store through chronopay? I wanted to pay with a card, so it was faster, but the site was transferred to chronopay, they say this is a very unreliable system.

[Chamomile 13]

Chamomile 13 sd 2500 without nut dispenser, sd 2501 with dispenser. sd 2501 has a "Rye" mode and a spatula-comb, the sd 2500 does not.

And if you take Panas 2500, can it bake rye bread, and any other bread? Maybe there is a separate topic about this stove, please post a link!

We really need reviews about Panas 2500, I’m already tuned in to it! What are the advantages and disadvantages ... And another question is what you need to buy for a bread machine, kitchen weights, there are all sorts of shovels ...

[Chamomile]

Chamomile, already held owners of Panasonic (and 2500 models including) hang out in the corresponding section
https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/index.php@option=com_smf&board=370.0
Panasonic has enough advantages so that the owners of this brand do not change:
good kneading power, buckets do not leak, the bucket is easily installed in the bread maker, the top crust of the bread is always tinted (in many other ovens it is just white), unobtrusive sound of the end of the program, all programs work as they should, etc.

In my experience, it is highly desirable to buy a bread machine
* kitchen scales with a step of 1-2 g (although many manage with measuring cups, it is better to have clearly visible divisions on them),
* a silicone spatula (to help the mixer pick up flour from the corners or from the sides of the bucket, which is sometimes required, for example, with rye flour),
* metal or wooden grill to cool the bread (so that the crust of warm bread does not sweat on the plate),
* a knife-file for bread (such knives cut soft bread well and do a good job with the crust).

[Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives]

And if you take Panas 2500, can she bake rye bread, and any other bread? Maybe there is a separate topic about this stove, please post a link!

Panas 2500 can also bake rye bread. Read here
Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives

The Kenwood 450 also comes with a dispenser and is also programmable. Or do kenwood buckets tend to leak?

I have a Kenwood 450 since 2008. I bake every day and even take away to relatives and friends. The bucket began to leak current at the end of 2011. Although the leakage did not give me any serious problems, I decided that I needed to have a spare one. And before that, I also added a round one for Easter eggs for Easter. Therefore, I ordered myself a new rectangular bucket for 222 UAH. Already sent. Frankly, if it breaks once (pah-pah-pah), then I will only buy it!

please tell me, did anyone encounter a similar problem? there used to be a LG Russian chef.the other day we bought a Panasonic 2501, they began to bake bread and during baking a terrible suffocating smell of burnt chemicals, plastic or something similar appeared. it was impossible to breathe, and my eyes hurt a lot, as if splashed with something caustic. the second time the bread maker is started the same thing. we took it back to Eldorado, where we accepted it with the possibility of exchange for another product. Models 2501 and 2502 differ in plastic and metal housing respectively. maybe the 2501 stinks so badly because of the plastic case. with LG, by the way it was in a metal case, there was nothing like it.

... Panasonic 2501, they began to bake bread and during baking a terrible suffocating smell of burnt chemicals, plastic or something similar appeared. it was impossible to breathe, and my eyes hurt a lot, as if splashed with something caustic. the second time the bread maker is started the same thing. we took it back to Eldorado, where we accepted it with the possibility of exchange for another product. Models 2501 and 2502 differ in plastic and metal housing respectively. maybe the 2501 stinks so badly because of the plastic case. with LG, by the way it was in a metal case, there was nothing like it.

This is an accident with your stove, take another copy and do not be sad.

[Vlad2010]

Vlad2010 All manufacturers have a marriage. And metal cases in household appliances, in principle, do not exist, they cannot be made from the point of view of electrical safety. The exceptions are refrigerators, washers and dishwashers. There is only a metal cladding (casing), for beauty

I choose HP for parents. I have a Panasonic 254. Now they have grown in price - my parents do not want an expensive one. The size of the loaf must be more than 1kg - a family of 4 adults + a child. I read about Delongy - they write very bad coverage - it will quickly climb, I liked Binaton very much - they write that they often break down - the electronics suffer. Maybe the Kenwoods - I watched videos of their work - they seemed very noisy to me, and the maximum weight of a loaf is 1kg. All in confusion ...

try to pick up through

Pay attention to Orion-206, Delphi and clathronic BBA2865 (which was initially inexpensive for the German market). This clathronic has tons of clone twins, also in the region of $ 100.

Tell me, how does the high power of HP affect its work?

Tell me, how does the high power of HP affect its work?

This applies to the heater of the bread maker.
Generally, more power means more loaf,
and you don't have to think about the rest.

more power - more loaf,

More power of the motor, - it will take a thicker dough, - the motor will withstand.

More power of the motor, - it will take a thicker dough, - the motor will withstand.

It's certainly good to tell tales, but it's not bad to read the service instructions before telling the story or look at the motor nameplate, which indicates its power and it is much less than the total power of the bread machine, which is indicated in the usual instructions.
The power of the electric motor of the bread maker, as a rule, is not reflected in the general information on the bread maker and there is no direct dependence of its increase on the increase in the total power.
Well, after reading it, then write. Your beliefs are not always true.
The main power is consumed by the heater (heating element) of the bread machine, which is what we are talking about.

Today I looked at several HP models on my market. So one moment surprised me: in Binaton 2169 there are riveted heels at the bottom of the bucket - do they in any way affect the integrity of the bucket and the quality of its coating? I do not have such in Panas - that is, they are from the outside, but there is no bucket inside. Aurora also has them - they are even of a different color than the bucket itself. Interesting - maybe this is the norm for not expensive HP models?! ..

Today I looked at several HP models on my market. So I was surprised by one moment: in Binaton 2169 there are riveted heels at the bottom of the bucket - do they in any way affect the integrity of the bucket and the quality of its coating? I do not have such in Panas - that is, they are from the outside, but there is no bucket inside. Aurora also has them - they are even of a different color than the bucket itself.Interesting - maybe this is the norm for not expensive HP models?! ..
More details: https://Mcooker-enn.tomathouse.com/in...tion=com_smf&topic=3696.0

Not the norm. Yes, and there are no complaints about "holes" in Binaton, only about the shaft seal, but many stoves are guilty of this.

Tell me, please, if the low voltage is somewhere between 206-210 - how can this affect the work of the HP and the quality of the baked goods? And if the power of HP is 800W? Will the HP fully work at this voltage with two kneading blades and a loaf size of more than 1 kg.
Thank you

Tell me, please, if the low voltage is somewhere between 206-210 - how can this affect the work of the HP and the quality of the baked goods? And if the power of HP is 800W? Will the HP fully work at this voltage with two kneading blades and a loaf size of more than 1 kg.
Thank you

210-230 volts will work well, guaranteed.
Poor power supply, use a stabilizer.

Please help me decide on the choice of HB I need not very expensive and with the maximum set of functions (if this is of course possible). So far, I am considering two Mystery MBM-1203 Bread Maker and Erisson BM-190 Bread Maker. So far I have found 2 differences in the price and in the number of programs. I read here on the odds about these HB, it seems like the reviews are not bad, so I'm thinking now ... Can you tell me some other model?

[Table of all program modes of these bread makers]

please help me decide on the choice of HB I need not very expensive and with the maximum set of functions (if possible, of course).So far, I am considering two Mystery MBM-1203 Bread Maker and Erisson BM-190 Bread Maker. So far I have found 2 differences in the price and in the number of programs. I read here on the odds about these HB, it seems like the reviews are not bad, so I'm thinking now ... Can you tell me some other model?

Of course we will give you a hint, but I'll just look at your budget.
The budget is certainly not great, but you have this First 5150 in Rostov
this is a clone of Morphy Richards BM 48268 and clones of Morphy Richards: - Alaska BM2600, Benten BN-7590, Benten BN-7591, Binatone BM-1068, Clatronic BBA 2605, Clatronic BBA 2864, Clatronic BBA 2866, Daewoo DBM-151, Daewoo DI- 3200S, Elenberg BM-3100, ETA 1149 SYMPATIC, First 5150, Kenwood BM210, Liberton LBM02, ORION OBM-101, Orion OBM-204, Rolsen RBM-938, Rotex RBX-38Y, Saturn ST-EC1775 Leda, Saturn 1775, UNIT UAB 813, WEST BM903WS
More details:


For the Morphy Richards clones, the tables are:
Table of all program modes of these bread makers in Russian and English:
(for viewing in full size,
make a second click on the rectangle in the upper right corner)


be able to compare with your choice, the main thing is that it is not worse in terms of opportunities. can be compared and commented on.
Now there is a very good oven in terms of functions, but more expensive
..."not very expensive and with the maximum set of functions (if it is of course possible)..." - here it is, anything is possible.
here are her signs

Please help me decide on the choice of HB I need not very expensive and with the maximum set of functions (if this is of course possible). So far, I am considering two Mystery MBM-1203 Bread Maker

Take Mystery MBM-1203 and don't listen to anyone !!!

[sazalexter]

Take Mystery MBM-1203 and don't listen to anyone !!!

sazalexterand a link for a plaque or a plaque for understanding and advice.
With signs "one place", it did not work to find.

I found the tablets and showed them.
Mystery MBM-1202 is more comfortable than Mystery MBM-1203

maybe someone from amateur professionals will make a comparison in terms of characteristics and functionality: Brand 3801 and Panasonic SD-2501 bread makers, in order to understand the most essential aspect for choosing between them

[Panasonic]

maybe someone from amateur professionals will make a comparison in terms of characteristics and functionality: Brand 3801 and Panasonic SD-2501 bread makers, in order to understand the most essential aspect for choosing between them

Easily!
Panasonic is a Mercedes in the mechanics and design of a bread machine. Verified baking modes, but they are strictly prescribed. There is no flexibility. Sourdough bread, and many recipes for rye, whole-grain baking is quite problematic without dancing with a tambourine around the HP. With dancing, the truth bakes well.
You can read how to jump with a tambourine in the topic:
Rye custard bread is real (almost forgotten taste). Baking methods and additives.
Brand 3801 - the mechanics are certainly not so clearly executed, the noise during work is stronger, but not the truck in the apartment. Built-in scales, one of the most flexible, if not the best and most functional in terms of the ability to customize programs for different recipes today.
This is brief.
Compare the tables of program modes, everything is immediately visible there.