Dishwasher selection (1)

zvezda plastic, it may not be anything, but the wooden one will fail very quickly (it will crack).

Girls, the topic is so big! And everyone has different cars ... I've been thinking about Bosch SMI 65M15 for six months now ...
Actually, what I'm leading to ... the idea came to my mind to ask the moderators or the creator of the topic to organize a survey of PMM owners about who uses which brand and the degree of reliability (the same survey was organized about bread bakers of different manufacturers in a different topic). I think that such ("doubting" and indecisive), like me, it would be great help in choosing. And then you climb on the whole topic, trying to collect all the pros and cons, someone praises a cheap car (after all, a toad strangles me too), and someone expensive (and you think that it wouldn’t work out that the avaricious pays twice ). I understand that everyone decides for himself what he needs, but public opinion is also essential. So maybe you are still organizing a survey? Plizz ...

[Anastasia]

I came up with the idea to ask the moderators or the creator of the topic to organize a survey of PMM owners about who uses which brand and the degree of reliability (the same survey was organized about bread machines from different manufacturers in another topic). I think that such ("doubting" and indecisive), like me, it would be great help in choosing.

And where are the moderators? Organize the survey as you see fit. As a last resort, Anastasia subtitles.

The poll will give nothing, everyone will praise their car.

Of course, everyone will name their own. A set of answers will show the most popular models.
Hairpin, but how to organize a survey? I rummaged, I did not find the "create poll" button (I am completely dull). Isn't it just the thread creator who can create polls?

Unfortunately, popular does not mean good. Once again, people have nothing to compare with. Just imagine, you have been washing by hand all your life, and then you bought an automatic machine. Naturally you will be delighted with it. And only when you change several models, your answer can be considered objective.
I think that the poll can be created by the author of the topic or the moderator.

[Anastasia]

Hairpin, but how to organize a survey?

1. You get out of here into the Other kitchen appliances;
2. You find the Voting button;
3. You create by carefully reading everything there. Do not rush!
4. To begin with, you fill those models that you know;
5. You ask the owners of other brands to name them;
6. And you add them to the list. So in a couple of weeks the list will be more or less complete;
7. The main thing is to leave the opportunity to add other positions;
8. In the event of an accident, let's hope Anastasia will help;

Boo Boo, praise is not necessary. Just to answer, there were breakdowns, how many ... and everything is probably ... well, also, does the silicone brush wash ... well, anything else ... I just don't know.

I think that the poll can be created by the author of the topic or the moderator.

No, the survey will be on a different topic. It is hardly possible to shove it here. Well, I seem to have already poured a bunch of polls!

Booboo, I guess it's pointless to argue. I said above that everyone will still decide everything for himself. I'm just interested in public opinion. And if some car is popular, then, most likely, it is not bad, since so many people have chosen it. Public opinion means something. Why, then, a similar survey was in the topic about bread makers? Is it really only so that the owners of Panasonic and Moulinex are convinced that they have bought "not the best" models in a herd manner? It's funny. What then is called the best ?! I am in favor of the survey. Please create it who can!
Oh!!!!! While I was writing the answer, there are so many answers .... Hairpin, thanks.I went to study the instructions ... I haven’t created any polls yet - I hope my teapot-computer experience will not hurt me ...

[mish]

mish Yes, I do not argue, poll is so poll. I just wanted to warn you. On this forum, many praise Bosch, but I personally know two Bosch owners who have this is not the first car. The reviews are not very good.

I personally chose mish by color, I needed a black freestanding one, but at that time only Bosch had it, at the moment it appeared at VEKO and I'm not sure that now I would take Bosch, although I am happy with the machine and it washes well.

So I had the same requirements both in color and separately, I was bribed by the half load and of course the price. And my friend Bosch has a dishwasher, so she did not recommend it to me.

What brand does your friend have? More precisely, what class of washing and drying?

Girls, dishwashers, as well as housewives who exploit them are very, very different. Bosch, for example, has cars in at least three price categories, and three sizes. It is not very correct to compare table-top machines, and, for example, full-size ones by 60 cm.

And then, we all wash with different powder, different water and so on. Therefore, only those owners who had at least two of them will be able to really compare the PMM. Although there is an element of addiction here as well. I’m used to washing with such a program, but in a new one, you need to get used to another, and everything is bad, not that, etc. with a cleaner, clean it up and everything will be ok

I now have something to compare with. Now I will praise not my own, but someone else's.
Hairpin, I did not understand about

She's not small for you, but a desktop one.

I have it full-length. I VEKO and Bosch class A sink (Beko 6611, Bosch 63M001)
I want to do the dishes as before, without hesitation, but they are all clean and squeaky.
We will investigate further.

Now I was digging the Internet ... I was a little upset - and I no longer need a survey ... I just did not find any full-size built-in BEKO machines anywhere. I wanted to find, make sure that the functions are not worse than those of Bosch, and ultimately save money. It did not work out ... there are none. Anyway, girls, thanks for the tons of responses. I will continue to read this topic, while there is still time, suddenly some new model will appear - the price of Boshi is too painful.

Already passed on my own experience - gradually wooden boards fall apart after washing in the PMM, which, in general, is understandable! Wood is wood, and if you wet it and then dry it, the wood exfoliates. But at first I really liked washing them in the PMM.

In Yekaterinburg in M., videos are often built-in full-size Beko. There are simpler ones (with 6 main programs, there are actually enough of them), there are just like Bosch (with little-needed additional functions). The first cost 14000, the second 17000. Bosch is twice as expensive, but not better.

In Yekaterinburg in M., videos are often built-in full-size Beko. Bosch is twice as expensive, but not better.

I agree - the difference in price is very captivating. But then I climbed all the St. Petersburg sites and did not find an analogue of the CENTURY to the Bosch I looked after. If I found it, I would have bought it, probably without hesitation.

[mish]

mish , have a look at the official website of VEKO models of built-in dishwashers. There are no prices there, but all functions are painted very thoroughly!
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Decide on a model and start calling stores and online stores. Well, it can't be. that such a direct deficit!

And I have something very strong crush on the drying machine VEKO. It costs 9,000, and look what a clever girl! I WANT !!!

Thank you, Tortyzhka! I will study. By the way, on the advice of Kseny, I went to the M-Video website and found one VEKO dishwasher! That's just a bad review on the Market. It is understandable - whoever is lucky, the technique is still, but it is still unpleasant to read bad reviews. By the way, can anyone explain - it is written that the VEKO has a "partial" leakage protection. What is it like? What is she like?

Hairpin, I did not understand about She is full-length. I VEKO and Bosch class A sink (Beko 6611, Bosch 63M001)

Something I'm completely confused. Here is Bosch's site. Throw a link to yours, otherwise I can't find it there at all.
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[mish]

Thank you, Tortyzhka! I will study. By the way, on the advice of Kseny, I went to the M-Video website and one dishwasher

mish , M-Video is one of the most expensive networks! It makes sense to buy there only at the time of grand sales. It was at this moment that I bought a dishwasher, and my friend bought a bread machine. Literally half the price. The rest of the time there are prices (n) Now, for example, my VEKO 6611 costs 16700 in the store !!! Judging by bread makers, prices are always too high
I think that if time suffers and you are thinking, it makes sense to wait for New Year's sales. And then you can purposefully track prices for a certain model or for a certain manufacturer.

[mish!]

mish!look at here 🔗 I'll look for it now.

[Total: for a year I give myself 23 working days. This is practically another vacation!]

Today I traveled to all retail chains of household appliances in Lipetsk, hoping to buy a full-size VEKO at a reasonable price (we make a gift together). In MVideo 6611 the model costs 16700 and that's it. Nowhere else is the CENTURY. NO-KA-KIH. What is the reason, the sellers do not know ... The washing machine VEKO is heaped up, drying machines, please ... But there are no dishwashers. Everywhere there are Boshi, Boshi, Boshi ... Built-in, separate, of any width in black and white ... Ariston saw a 6-program, but such porn ... It was done badly, the rubber bands are hanging, the heating element around the bottom is not covered by anything. ... and costs 15,000. There are no Bosches cheaper than 20,000 at all. So we decided that we would take something else ... With dishwashers, no luck. I came home and smacked my assistant on the white door - she has been serving me for exactly one year! During this time, I "ate" 3 kg of salt, 7 kg of powder and 2.5 liters of rinse aid.
If a day it takes me half an hour to wash the dishes (10 minutes in the morning and 20 in the evening), then in a year:
365 * 0.5 = 182.5 hours
and these are working days:
182,5: 8=22,8
Total: for a year I give myself 23 working days. This is practically another vacation!
Who else is thinking_DECIDE !!!!

Cake and why did your machine eat so much of the ointment, I still do not run out of one bottle, but also the machine will soon be a year old.

And mine - a month, and the second kilogram of salt went. True, I put it on the top five. In our district, it seems, 4-5, well, I decided to take the worst option.

I ate 3 kg of salt, I had it set to 4 and I did not change it.

zvezda, unfortunately, I think so. Of course we wanted to buy the best model. We thought that if the eyelid washes like that, then how will this one wash! Dreaming!
The lower level washes perfectly, but the upper level is not very clean: unwashed items remain. This has not happened in the CENTURY.
If I had nothing to compare, if she was the first, then I would think that it should be so.
I can assume that something is wrong with my car, and not with all the cars of this Bosch model. Or this is such a quality standard for Bosch.
But I do not see a way out, if she did not wash at all, it would be possible to contact the service, and so, to whom and what claims can be made.
Probably have to live with her.

[Kseny]

Kseny
I read the characteristics of your PMM at that link. The first thing I can say is ActiveWater technology, which uses less water and energy. In fact, this is a cunning move by Bosch engineers. The pump, water heater and (seemingly) drain pump are combined into a single non-separable water block (usually these are separate units). In our conditions, this is fraught with the fact that the failure of any part will lead to the replacement of the entire water block, and this will obviously cost about a new machine. That is, they made it much more technologically advanced when assembling and reduced the cost, and presented it as an ultra-modern washing technology, for which they also take additional money!
Further, the technology of alternating water supply. All PMMs supply water simultaneously to all rocker arms, half-load models can shut off one of the rocker arms with a valve.Consequently, the pump has to create water pressure sufficient to operate both the top and bottom (the jets must reach the top wall). And in almost all Bosches, water is supplied either to the upper or to the lower rocker. There was even a function to wash the upper and lower baskets at different temperatures. First, the crystal in the upper one was washed with warm water, and then hotter - the burnt pans in the lower one. And the pump can be of less power, and the water consumption is less (it is logical that it takes more time to achieve the same quality of washing).
By the way, only this model has a feature.

Glassware gentle washing technology
This technology serves to wash valuable glassware and patterned dishes even more gently.
List of models with this function:
Dishwashers
SMV63M00EU

What this chip consists of is not clear and it works on all programs or only on some separate one for glass (this is already in the instructions). It seems to me that this is precisely the weaker stream in the upper basket ...
I am not a supporter or opponent of Bosch, and I do not want to praise Beko again. I am for the best price-quality ratio. Especially when it comes to fully-built PMMs. It is enough to look at such a typewriter from the outside in the store, then open the door slightly - and listen to your feelings (it is advisable not to look at the nameplate). The cheapest Bosch personally disgusted me, the most expensive (very similar to the one that Kseny, only with the letter T) - mixed feelings from "class" to "but I need it for that kind of money" (you can buy five of mine!). But my heart snapped and rolled into the bushes when I looked into Haier 60 cm! "And this is all for such ridiculous money? Eh, here I would put dishes without looking" ...

Jefry, thanks for your understanding and support.
When my husband was choosing, he did not find negative reviews anywhere. Bribed her description. We ourselves, after my husband's experiment posted on the same site, realized that her water is supplied alternately, and when the top works, the jets are not heard, they do not reach the top cover, you can hear that the power is more than 2 times less.
And there he was almost "thrown with slippers", they say, he came to do an advertisement for CENTURY. Only I think that that person is exactly promoting Bosch, obviously he defended her reputation.
What to do now? There is no choice ... wait until it breaks?
Even though others know, you cannot believe everything that manufacturers write.
Now Bosch will never buy anything.

Now Bosch will never buy anything.

Why generalize like that? I have been very pleased with my Bosch for 5 years. Perhaps you just have a bad model. For me personally, the brand is, to a certain extent, a guarantee of the reliability of the device and the level of service. Although options are always possible, but you must choose essno according to the characteristics and be critical of the manufacturer's marketing moves.

[Jefry]

Hello people to everyone ..... I've read everything here, but there are those who have Electrolux ??? I ordered myself an Electrolux ESF 65040, so they promised after the 20th ... we wait, sir .......
Jefry if such a special ... maybe look at my model, which I chose for myself, when I looked, I didn't look at Bosch ... very steep prices, but I looked into Electrolux 63021 ... I just really liked it , and then they offered 65010, but in the end they said that it was not there and offered a newer model 65040, what can you say? Share your impressions with whom Electrolux, pliz

Why generalize like that? I have been very pleased with my Bosch for 5 years. Perhaps you just have a bad model. For me personally, the brand is, to a certain extent, a guarantee of the reliability of the device and the level of service. Although options are always possible, but you must choose essno according to the characteristics and be critical of the manufacturer's marketing moves.

The husband chose according to the characteristics, he even read the reviews. What model do you have? How does it wash the top? For me, the brand used to mean a lot too, now it's an empty space. Why summarize, because Bosch did not buy a combine very well. But that's another problem ...

I have SRV56A13 / 16, I think that now there are no such models even on the site She is 45 cm, 5 programs. Washes, if folded correctly, is good. By the way, the Bosch combine also only pleases
I found a model similar to my 🔗 only I don’t have a 3-in-1 function (but I don’t need it, I don’t use pills).

[Svetik_]

Svetik_ You flatter me ... There are no reviews about your expected Electrolux yet. Nothing special can be understood from the description. Among experts there is an opinion that suites are critical to voltage drops, but this model is mechanically controlled, this does not apply to it.
I look, I was lucky that the agony of choice was not as such. I wanted a decent-looking typewriter for a minimal price. As soon as I came across, I took it without looking, and now I forgive her for her small shortcomings: Tetris when laying down (this applies to all 45cm machines) and the notorious sound of the end of the drain (the guarantee will end, and we will fight with it). And now it is easy for me, having operating experience, to compare the set of functions of two arbitrary machines according to the criterion "necessary-unnecessary". And how can I imagine the state of a person who suddenly realizes that he is already ready not to "wash a couple of plates with his hands." He comes to the store, and sees two, three or five dishwashers and has no idea what's what. The sales assistant (who himself has no idea how it works at all, at best knows the technical characteristics) broadcasts: this machine is noisier, it has 52 decibels, but this one is more expensive - it says 35 and it is generally silent and washes the dishes at three times better than the one that is cheaper. A person buys without hesitation (or scratching the back of his head, as with money) the one that is better. It installs, turns it on, and very clearly hears the sound of a drain, and there are a couple of stains on the plates and the ladle in the corner has not been washed. It would never occur to him that this is quite normal, and, by and large, the seller cheated him. He will think that he may have come across a defective copy. Or "but if they took that one, then all the dishes would be dirty, and the roar would wake up the whole house." Although history knows one case of a person with a fine hearing and a mental disposition of character, who managed to exchange a typewriter due to the increased noise, "you told me that it is silent, and it does not let me or my neighbors sleep ..."
And now I sincerely sympathize Kseny, because she has a rare case in our area when the declared advantages do not reach the expected rate.
In general, my deepest IMHO is that the dishwasher was not invented by us and is not designed for us. The main emphasis is on ease of use ("Auto", threw the tablet and forward, no stress for the mind) and energy and water saving. This is very important for them, but for me the PMM will not lose its attractiveness, even if it triples the consumption of both (the cost of detergents is more critical, and there it is not a question at all). And the program "Auto", aquasensor and something like that is also a separate topic. Most people use only it and are quite happy with the result. But few people know that there is one "but": it does not cope well with strong dried-on dirt. They should have been fermented a little longer, but here the optical sensor "sees" clear water, the machine decides that practically clean dishes have been loaded into it and stops washing ahead of time. In addition, in this case, she rinses twice in the same water. Savings - three, four liters of water, which then still have to be spent on handles to remove the ill-fated frying pan. Do not expect miracles from super-sophisticated machines and forgive them their shortcomings, because there are immeasurably more advantages! I don't know how much money can be used to assess the peace and peace of mind that the dishwasher brought to my home ...

[Svetik_]

Svetik_ You flatter me ...

Doesn't flatter. Your advice, guidance and advice is simply overwhelming. This is from you Hairpins personally:

Yes .... it looks like I also bought the word "BOSCH". My machine is without any bells and whistles, but washes well. I am happy with everything except the washing time. Two and a half hours is clearly too much. There is a quick wash program, but only at 35 *.I didn't even think about it before, I switched it on at night and slept peacefully, but now I remember how a century stood next to her in the store, and the consultant said: "BOSH is BOSH!"

and the consultant said: "BOSCH is BOSH!"

This is how ordinary buyers are deceived.
Jefry, eh, earlier I would have written here my wish to replace VEKO with Bosch ...
Fortunately, all sorts of proceedings are not for us, so it will be as it is.

Washes, if folded correctly, is good.

This is the Bosch level.

Girls, I just can't get used to laying out the dishes, maybe someone, whom the machine has taken for a long time, will take a picture or describe in more detail how it washes it perfectly, but I don't think I can fit much, and in general WHAT does it mean by the term 10 sets? What exactly does it include?

[Svetik_]

Svetik_ Do not worry Electrolux is a very reliable technique!
And very high quality made. I can say about voltage drops, living in a rural area, for example from 190 to 225, it has been working for a year already. 3 Friends have a worse situation, it drops to 185v, PM Zanussi (the same suite) sometimes simply does not start. But I consider this to be an extreme case.

[Svetik_]

Svetik_In my opinion, you are in vain upset, I specifically looked at your machine .... in my opinion it is very good, especially convenient (well, this is probably for me personally, I’m stupid in this regard) that you can model the lower basket itself, that you can put it where you want it .... generally a very decent machine !!!

[Jefry]

This is the Bosch level.

IMHO this is common sense. The instructions for my typewriter say that the dishes should be folded so that they do not overlap each other. But how will the dishes be washed out if the jets from the rocker arms do not reach it (that is, something else is blocking)? That in Veko you can dump everything with a mountain and everything will be washed perfectly? Jefry says that this is typical of all 45 cm typewriters, I believe him, although purely theoretically I cannot imagine how it could be otherwise in 60 cm.
My Zanussi washer did not want to wash at low voltage in my old apartment. The issue was solved with a separate cable from the meter.

WHAT is meant by the term 10 kits? What exactly does it include?

Look in the instructions, it should be listed in detail (and in 45cm it seems not 10, but 9 or even 8). In principle, this is from the serving rules.

The fact of the matter is that nothing is written about the quantity, but in the serving rules ..... ooooooooche there is a big discrepancy, so who uses it, couldn’t it be more detailed! ??

I have nothing to compare with, but I have been happy with my Bosch for almost 4 years. When we bought, there were no others at all - there was one. Although 45, but we shove a lot, washes perfectly. Unless there is something scary on the upper basket and something dried on top, with your back to the rocker. And that is extremely rare.

Well, I scanned what my instructions say and show


I fold it as close to the picture as possible and everything is ok.

[k.alena]

k.alenaThank you! At least something visual and accessible ... Today I was washing a service that seems not to be recommended, and Bohemian crystal (wine glasses) ... no words ... beauty !!! Everything shines!

It's my pleasure. Some dishes are not recommended to be washed in the PMM due to the presence of "gilding". But I wash (though these are dishes of not frequent use) and nothing came off.

Girls, and crystal cannot be washed with hot water ...

45 degrees is not hot. It's lukewarm !!!